Did Trump rat out his friend Epstein to the FBI?

Plot thickens unlike Trump’s small mushroom.

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Diversion, distraction and treason.

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Can you get immunity for statutory rape in exchange for information?

ALSO GREENLAND!

What is in no way spin is that Johnson did say that Trump was an FBI informant on Epstein. This is big news if true. Trickling it out now, when it has been kept secret until now, certainly suggests that they know the information cannot continue be kept secret, and that the information is not helpful to Trump.

OH PLEASE! I don't believe for one second that Trump was an FBI informant on Epstein.

Does anybody seriously believe this wild claim made by Chief Propogandist Johnson???? Seriously? It's just more deflection. These people will say anything and do anything for their own means.

Wake the fuck up people.

But the whole thing is also a hoax made up by Obama and Hillary?

Bull fucking shit.

Mike Johnson is a cocksucking liar masquerading as a heterosexual Christian.

How is “Trump was an informant of Epstein” a deflection? Most people believe it is Epstein that MAGA wants to deflect from, not bring more attention to. And Trump’s being an informant is an admission that he has been lying about not knowing anything about Epstein’s activities and that he barely knew the guy. This is more of a bombshell than a deflection and they are trying to manage how it comes to light, or Johnson screwed the pooch.

R11 It's not that deep or complicated.

Mike Johnson simply made up a story to try and justify why Trump is trying so hard to keep the Epstein files from seeing the light of day.

[quote]Did Trump rat out his friend Epstein to the FBI?

Depends on how much they offered to pay him.

I don't doubt that Trump would rat out his best friend if there were even the slightest of benefits to him. He would probably do it for a stick of chewing gum. But it's hard to see how this fits in with the plethora of other facts that are already public knowledge about the case. Nor is it clear how it would insulate Trump from culpability.

Thank you R12. At least there are still some other posters on DL with a brain.

All of these MAGA cunts like Johnson lie for a living. It's what they do. They lie all day and all night and they lie every day of the week. They lie about everything. Only a few weeks ago, Johnson sent Congress home so no-one could vote to release the files. In a few days there will be yet a different lie told to try to defect and prevent the release of the Epstein files.

How is the whole situation swiftly brought to an end? By releasing the files.

R12–your condescension is misplaced. Why would Johnson make up a story that hurts Trump? The story has always been “nothing to see here.” Now it’s’ “Trump has been lying to you and knew all about what Epstein was doing?” That makes no sense.

The Faggot Speaker Johnson is fucking LYING!! Anything to deflect from the rape of the underaged Katie Johnson by Dtrump and Epstein.

It's a false flag from a closeted fag!

[quote] But it's hard to see how this fits in with the plethora of other facts that are already public knowledge about the case.

Such as what?

We know nothing about the origins of the first federal investigation into Epstein. We know from Epstein that Trump and Epstein were very close friends who had a falling out at about the time of the investigation. We know (from Epstein himself) what caused the falling out. Epstein was about to buy a Palm Beach Estate that was then bought well above market value by Trump who turned around and sold it immediately to a Russian oligarch for a quick 100% profit.

R16 I'm not being condescending. Your outrage is misplaced.

It's simple. Johnson is not the brightest bulb in the package. Republicans have been tripping over themselves the last month trying to come up with reasons why the Epstein files haven't been released. Johnson thought sending Congress on recess for a month would mean the story would fade away, but lo and behold, summer vacation is over and everybody's still talking about Epstein.

So what does he do when there's a microphone in his face and he's asked yet again why the files haven't been released and he's all out of explanations? He panics, makes up a story about Trump being an FBI informant, and thinks that'll do the trick. He likely thought that would shut everybody up, but since Johnson doesn't really think, he had no idea he made things worse when he opened his dick sucking mouth.

R16 - there are a lot of MAGATs calling for the release of the files. If anything eventually does get out that looks bad for Dump, then they’re going to want to set up a bunch of smoke and mirrors around his involvement. But they’re not being very smart about it.

Johnson was one of four people at Trump’s table the night he opened the Rose Garden Club right around the time of the statement. I’m pretty sure this was no slip of the tongue or mistake and it makes zero sense that it was a lie because it is very harmful to Trump. What makes sense to me is that they know they can’t keep Trump’s role a secret anymore, and they are trying to manage how it comes out, hoping to spin it as “Trump was a hero.”

We’ll know soon enough.

R16 Someone on "X" called out Johnson's FBI lie quite brilliantly.

[quote] You said the Epstein files were a Democratic hoax—cooked up by Obama, Hillary, and Biden. But here’s the part I can’t figure out: you were a confidential FBI informant on the Epstein case. So tell me, how exactly did the Democrats get you to spy on a hoax?

R21 Nah. Again, Johnson's not that bright. Nor is anyone else at Trump's table.

R22–the previous stories were the obvious lies. There is no reason to undermine them now with a contradictory lie that makes Trump look bad. The only reason to say now that Trump was an FBI informant on Epstein is because it is the truth and it’s going to come out whether they like it or not.

R25 Trump was never an FBI informant. Johson is spewing straight up bullshit, and if anyone believes that ridiculous story, they should be escorted to a padded room.

I'm sure Trump did rat on Epstein. When Trump was caught trafficking minors he narced on his friend. That's what an informant is. Someone who got caught and needs to save his own skin. Trump is a whoremonger and a rat.

[quote] Republicans have been tripping over themselves the last month trying to come up with reasons why the Epstein files haven't been released.

That is simply incorrect.

Their reasons have always been that there is nothing of public interest in the files and that in order to protect the victims and innocent third parties whose names are in the files, they should not be released.

I don’t know how you have convinced yourself that “Trump was an FBI informant “ is in any way a reason NOT to release the files. It will in fact only increase the pressure to release them.

It seems that at minimum, Trump and Epstein preyed on underage girls ,which is statutory rape. They were friends for 15 years. Even MAGA can do simple math.

Johnson claims he was an FBI informant, not an undercover agent. An agent investigates crimes. An informant is someone who is trading his info for immunity in this or some other matter.

It just shows how little effort they put into their lies. Or how gullible they believe the MAGA true believers are.

[quote] informant. Johson is spewing straight up bullshit, and if anyone believes that ridiculous story, they should be escorted to a padded room.

Why is Johnson spewing this particular bullshit?

He is a vile man, but he is neither stupid nor careless.

R31 He's incredibly stupiod and incredibly careless.

Mike Johnson will do anything to support Trump and save his job. He’s also deeply closeted and that messes up a supposedly “religious” person,

R28 No. Here are the reasons they've given:

1) There is no Epstein list.

2) The Epstein files are a Democrat hoax.

3) The Epstein files are fake news created by Obama, Hillary, and Biden.

4) The Epstein files contain names of victims, so they shouldn't be released.

5) There's nothing in the Epstein files of interest to the public.

And now, the latest: the Epstein files haven't been released because Trump is an FBI informant.

I'd call that doing more than tripping over themselves. They're tumbling down the stairs.

Just because you don’t like someone doesn’t mean they are dumb. I don’t believe he is stupid. You get to the position he is in by being crafty, cunning and duplicitous. I don’t like the man, but you’re doing yourself a huge disservice by underestimating him and calling him dumb. He was elected, not appointed. And he’s a survivor. There is a lot of shit you have to do get where he is. And being dumb doesn’t jive with that.

Me disliking Johnson has nothing to with my perception of his intelligence.

He is not bright; he is not crafty. He continually steps in it and fucks things up. He's only in the position he's in now because Republicans ran through their list of possible Speakers of the House and landed on Johnson because they knew he'd toe the party line and do exactly what they tell him to do.

Republican representative Thomas Massie on Johnson's latest vomit:

[quote] I don't know if the Speaker misspoke when he said Donald Trump was an informant ... the Speaker needs to clarify that. And if it's a hoax, why was Donald Trump an informant to a hoax?

"Misspoke." Also known as LIED THROUGH HIS GAY FUCKING TEETH.

The quote is “I don’t know if the Speaker misspoke.” That is not an accusation of lying. It’s more like “WTF? Why did he say that?”

R35 I dunno. I'd say it's pretty damn dumb to adjourn the House in order to avoid a vote on releasing the Epstein files, thinking the whole thing will just fade into the ether.

If Trump was an FBI informant, instead of dismissing the House, Johnson upfront would have said Trump was an informant.

He's just throwing spaghetti against the wall now and hoping it'll stick.

He felt then that he was about to lose on the motion to discharge the petition.

Now, so far, they don’t have the votes for it

Maybe not so dumb.

Exactly. Not an informant. Not someone who cooperated in bringing down Epstein. Ordered Epstein killed? Oh that I would believe.

[quote] He panics, makes up a story about Trump being an FBI informant, and thinks that'll do the trick.

Unfortunately, all of these GQP liars understand that our media is utter shit. They are mostly stenographers that sit there like bumps on a log while these people spew lies. It's a big part of how we got here.

But GOD FORBID Joe Biden or Kamala Harris mis-speak one time! They will talk about that for weeks like it's the end of civilization.

Many people here seem to be missing a key point.

The news that Trump was an FBI informant is NOT good news for Trump. It is not a “deflection.” It’s not another excuse for not releasing the files. It’s proof that Trump has been lying.

No one here has explained how this is good news for Trump.

If you want to believe that Mike Johnson is an idiot or a careless liar who just “flailing around” I suppose there’s not much to say to convince you otherwise, though a few have made pretty convincing arguments to the contrary. Maybe you’re right and the statement will prove to have been meaningless nonsense spouted by a stupid man.

But the fact remains that the statement is bad for Trump which is why we have never heard it before. The only rational motive for releasing it at all is that they want to try to control the narrative on something they can no longer stop from becoming public.

R44 - it allows MAGATS to believe he’s some hero, taking down the pedo demoncrats from within. Only MAGAT voters need to believe it.

Maybe MAGAs can try to spin it as a positive, but, it is a total180 on the story told so far.

It reveals that Trump has been lying to them all along.

I don’t think it is a gambit they would just toss out to see if it flies.

I think it must be true.

You seriously think Dump was an informant? Or just cut a deal - I can see that.

Not only does it show Trump has been lying about not being close to Epstein and not knowing what Epstein was doing, but it also raises all sorts of questions that Trump will not want to answer. How did he find out about Epstein’s sexual activities? How long did he know? Why didn’t he go to the FBI immediately? Why did he only go after the mansion incident. Why did he buy the mansion that Epstein wanted for above market value and then immediately sell it to a Russian oligarch for 100% profit?

That’s assuming that there is no evidence that Trump ever participated in underage sex.

[quote] You seriously think Dump was an informant?

I didn’t until Johnson said he was, but I can certainly believe it and I can’t think of any reason for Johnson to say so publicly unless it is true and going to come out.

R45, in what MAGAT world does being an FBI informant a good thing? A Hero? You mean working with the "Deep State?" Trump continually maligned the intelligence gathering community in his first term. He turned MAGA basically against them. So I don't know how him coming out having worked with them now would ever paint him as a hero.

Diversion, Distraction, Treason.

R50 - did you get lost at the word “MAGAT”? Johnson doesn’t need YOU to believe it, and he doesn’t care if YOU see the obvious fallacies and folly of it. MAGATS aren’t that smart.

R50, trump will just lie and say he's the reason that epstein was arrested. He'll say that without him, the FBI NEVER would have been able to arrest epstein. The MAGAts will eat that outrageous lie up.

These people will believe anything.

R5 yes

R11 is right. If it is indeed true and it comes out, they better not try to brand it as Trump”being a hero” taking down a pedophile. This is the story—

And Trump’s being an informant is an admission that he has been lying about not knowing anything about Epstein’s activities and that he barely knew the guy. This is more of a bombshell than a deflection and they are trying to manage how it comes to light, or Johnson screwed the pooch.

This is the story all day long. If it is true. How democrats play it will determine if I ever vote for them again.

Oh please, Donald can't keep his mouth shut for 15 seconds about [italic]anything.[/italic] If he actually were an informant, he would have blathered/boasted about it on numerous occasions. If Johnson has said "President Trump tried to inform the FBI about Epstein's crimes but they wouldn't listen," that I would believe not because it's an accurate portrayal of the sequence of events but because it would make (Biden/Obama's) FBI look bad providing justification for the Gestapo they've made of the FBI under Kash Patel.

Further, I'll point out that Johnson has used this offhanded comment technique previously; I picked up on it last Summer when he and the gang of idiots went to NYC during Trump's trial in Merchand's court in which giving off-the-cuff remarks to the press he characterized the Judge as "so corrupt" when there was no basis whatsoever for any accusation. Think of it as a verbal tic; basically, say in hushed tones the opposite of reality and see where it goes.

R53 that may be very true. Many criminal cases are only made with informants and snitches. I watch enough TV to know.

Sure I can see Trump being the reason someone else was busted. I can also see me and all of DL also making a deal to stay out of prison and making sure it was someone else not named us that was busted.

Internet bravery is one thing..

I don’t speak for those that might think they would enjoy prison.

R52 and R53 working for the Feds is never seen as a good thing. Saying that Trump worked for the feds is not a good thing. Trump saying he worked with the Feds does not paint him as a hero, plain and simple. We all know Republicans HATE Trump. Maybe they smell blood in the water with all of the policies coming undone and Mike's words were the first strike at Ceasar at the Forum. I don't think it was a stupid thing to say, I think it was VERY calculated.

He's safe as houses. I taught him well.

[quote]Many criminal cases are only made with informants and snitches. I watch enough TV to know.

Not with the FBI.

I wonder how high the NDA pile is for the Epstein Pedo Island Users.

Nobody touches Mr Trump's penis without a glove!

When was Trump supposedly an informant? When the wire transfers were made? He’s up to his ears in it. You can smell the fear.

In retrospect, the mass firings of the FBI and justice department personnel seem less to do about vengeance and more about self preservation.

I can totally see Trump turning on Epstein if threatened with exposure for money laundering. I am sure that wasn't Trump's first foray into the world of cleaning Russian money either. Plus I am sure he was very aware of what happened to people who exposed the workings of Russian oligarchs. Him striking first is completely within his character and completely plausible.

I wonder what things , actually important and dear to us , we here at DL would have been willing to give up last November to beat Trump ?

Anything at all?

And all the answers can’t be—-trans support.

MAGA will allow their ‘’chosen one’’ to get away with anything and everything.

Ya know, babies, there is such a thing as fate/destiny.

'Merica.....

Do people say kicking ass and taking names? That’s my view of the GOP today. Trust me I know what it’s like to have my ass kicked.

If this were true, Trump would have said in every interview going back to 2014 that he was the one responsible for bringing Epstein down.

The claim is ridiculous on its face.

It does seem likely from what Wolff writes that Trump worked with law enforcement to nail Epstein after they had a falling out. But that was for his own petty grievances; it doesn't make him the QAnon hero that Mike Johnson would have us believe Trump is. Trump himself partook of Epstein's crimes all those years.

Dream a little dream, OP. This never happened. I would believe, however, that Trump and Epstein were in some sort of illegal business partnership in human trafficking of children and teens to pedos (which included sampling the child wares themselves, of course.) This idea is not quite as far-fetched as the "Trump was an informant for the FBI" b.s.

“Informants” aren’t whistleblowers or investigators. They’re informers, snitches. They’re criminals but cowards. They rat on other people to save themselves. It’s all too possible that Trump, who demands absolute loyalty from others, would sell out a friend.

Plenty of anti-Trump ex-FBI to dispute claims he was an informant. Plenty of ex-presidents, too.

[quote]It’s all too possible that Trump, who demands absolute loyalty from others, would sell out a friend.

Absolutely. What's not possible is Trump keeping quiet about his role in putting Epstein behind bars.

R74 Exactly. Trump would be babbling all over TV and the Internet that he ratted out Epstein and saved the world.

As long as the files and lists don’t come out Trump does not need to say anything. And they are working over time to make sure that the lists never come out.

As that great urban thinker Omar Little once said—- you come at the King you best not miss.

So far he is doing the happy dance and we post on DL and bitch

Each of their faces are just so slapable.

[quote] Dream a little dream, OP. This never happened

I didn’t dream it. The Speaker of the House said it. To reporters.

I think that counts for a bit more than my imagination.

[quote]The Speaker of the House said it. To reporters. I think that counts for a bit more than my imagination.

Well, it doesn't. Mike Johnson lies as easily as he breathes.

Why would he lie about this?

For those with Access to Apple News

From r81

According to five Trump administration officials and others close to the president, Johnson's "informant" claim on Thursday sparked widespread confusion within the ranks of Trump's government, with several senior officials blindsided or just completely perplexed by what the Trump-aligned House speaker could have possibly meant.

For some in the administration, the confusion spilled over into Saturday, with some officials still unsure about whether Johnson was citing some explosive, unheard-of insider information, or if he misspoke or was freelancing extemporaneously.

"What the hell is he doing?" one senior Trump administration appointee told Rolling Stone, after being asked about the Johnson "informant" comment.

Other Trump advisers say it's their understanding that Johnson was referencing past claims made in the media about Trump; however, these claims did not amount to the idea he was a federal "informant."

You people act like being an informant for the FBI means hold meetings at the Pentagon. Very simply, Trump probably told the FBI about JE and they made him record a couple of phone calls. It’s not like he was showing up at the bureau punching in. It’s completely plausible. And no he wouldn’t be singing from the rooftops because he would be implicating himself and have to answer to why it took a bad real estate deal for him to turn in a pedophile.

Melania looks like a $40-buck-a-fuck whore in OP's pic.

Actually I agree with r56 now that I think it over.

R78 My dream a little dream comment referred to the idea that Trump would be an informant. I know that the idiot toadie Johnson is trying to push that propaganda out there, it's all over the internet. And if Trump were an informant, it would only be because he was caught red-handed fucking kids or young teens and had to become an informant to save his own skin. That's typically how the Feds operate. Coerce/threaten to get you to turn on your partners, your higher ups, other criminals, etc. So it would still provide evidence that he was, in fact fucking kids and got caught. There's no way Trump was pulled in fresh to be some undercover operative for the FBI. The very thought makes me laugh.

I’m pretty sure Trump is invincible is falling apart in MAGA land. They are beginning to stake their clam against him for Epstein hiding, overreaching on ICE raids, and increasingly inflation and widespread panic over RFK, jr. I don’t see anyone tying themselves to Trump except his sycophants like Bannon.

Would enjoy it so much, if true, R87, so here's hoping!

R87 Even Bannon is starting to back away.

For the DLer who absolutely insisted Mike Johnson was telling the truth about Trump being an FBI informant.

Less than a day, and he's walkin' it back. LOL!

Bannon is really ideological. He doesn’t give a fuck about Trump and won’t ever kiss ass. Trump was just most closely aligned with his worldview as far political candidates. I agree with Bannon on some things.

R91 Uh-oh.

Mike Johnson is really sexy! I'd love to fuck him!

To the poster who said Mike Johnson was smart and was telling the truth...

Ya gotta love Mrs. Betty Bowers.

R11, see R90.

Johsnon fucks up again.

So much for Pammykins and her promise from a few months ago that all would be revealed.

^ Both associates are Republicans, obviously. If they were Democrats, the DOJ would have sent the information to every home in America.

R41 Pretty damn dumb, actually, now that Johnson is walking back his lie about Trump being an informant and the noise around the Epstein files has only gotten louder as a result.

Think about it. Rudy was the U.S. attorney for NYC Southern District before he ran for mayor. Either I read it somewhere or I heard it, long ago, but Rudy's claim to fame is t hat he was a shameless self promoter who exploited the fact that he's the guy who "got" John Gotti. According to Rudy he, Rudy was relentless in his efforts to break the mafia. EXCEPT, the rumor was that he was on the payroll of Russian mobsters who ascended after Gotti descended. Now Rudy was also a buddy of Donald Trump's. Donnie laundered money and trafficked young girls for the Russians. No doubt in my mind Donnie bragged to Rudy about his connections and how much money the Russian mobs were throwing around, (the Oligarchs were connected to the mobsters.) so, they both lined their pockets. After Rudy left the Mayor's office, one of his first visits was to Ukraine...where he had business interests. And do remember Bernie Kerick. He was Rudy's bagman while he was Mayor. So in a away, maybe Donnie was an FBI informant, but if he was it wasn't on purpose. And if they really was to name names, Rudy Giuliani's name is very very likely on Epstein's list of "clients." Rudy likes young girls. Remember that embarrassing video of him drunk lying on a bed trying to unzip his trousers for some you honey?

I misspoke! I meant he was working undercover for the FBI,. not that he was an informant! He tirelessly worked day and night, amidst all those sniveling brats to nail the Pedo! He's an American Hero, just like Betsy Ross or Jesse Helms!

Oh yeah he was an informant out of the goodness of his heart!

The fact that he is walking it back certainly does not mean it was a lie.

Everythign he says is a lie whe3ther they walk it back or not.

It'd be more believable if we had more reliable sources discussing this story. Never heard of the site you linked us to, OP. Not saying it's not possible, but I find the theory that he was a "client" of Epstein's illegal activities more convincing

People like R103 are the reason why this country is being ruled by morons right now.

R41 Democrats will force a vote on the Epstein files release, and every Republican who votes against releasing the files will be on public record.

Great job there, Mikey. You're about to put yourself and your fellow Republican House members in the historical record as protecting pedophiles.

News flash: Republicans lie through their teeth.

[quote]Great job there, Mikey. You're about to put yourself and your fellow Republican House members in the historical record as protecting pedophiles.

As if they even care R107! If any of them did care - the files would have been released like they all promised they would be released when the GOP ticket from the top down campaigned on it.

R105 - a group of victims were questioned last week in a group interview by Hallie Jackson on NBC and all said that neither Trump nor Clinton were perpetrators. They did not mince words. They were representing the wider group of Epstein victims who are in touch with each other and swapping information.

Uh, r106, I believe r103 was using something called sarcasm...

For r105

[quote] Uh, [R106], I believe [R103] was using something called sarcasm...

Actually, I wasn’t.

If Johnson says “Trump is an FBI informant” and the next day says “Trump is not an FBI informant ” he has demonstrated that he is a liar, but you don’t know which statement is the lie.

Give it up, R112. Johnson opened his ignorant trap, told a lie, and now he's trying to walk it back.

More likely the retraction under pressure is the lie. But you do you.

Oh, honey. Reread R106.