"A Mobster Bustout of an Entire Nation" - Columnist Predicts Deep Criminal Revelations after Trump's Death

The exact opposite will happen. He will be turned into a mythical god. It will be like what the Republicans did to Reagan, only on steroids.

OP, I hope you're right.

R1, you sure know how to make a girl cry!

It all depends on the economy. If it crashes, Trump's goons pay the price. If it doesn't, they skate.

I think most of this will happen.

I fear R1 is correct. Get used to the idea of everything being named after Trump.

It's his BFF past with Epstein that will have his legacy as a pariah.

Do some people still poignantly misapprehend the world we live in?

People start with their biases and work back. They don’t care about revelations of truth or facts.

R7: Let's not look a gift horse in the mouth: Republicans have doubts about this. Combined with the aftermath of tariff prices, we may get what we want (need).

Feeding the target audience with exactly what they want to hear. Rick Wilson will say anything for cash.

[quote]And America will finally realize how deeply they've been scammed by this mafia don and his endless greed. People will piss on his grave.

[quote]I doubt that last part.

People will definitely piss on his grave - if they can get to it. I'm sure he is aware that his final resting place will be a target.

Costello wrote this about Maggie Thatcher, but it works for Trump, too.

I've been saying this since his first administration. Everyone around him hates his guts and hates that they have to prostitute themselves to get where they've gotten. The happiest day of their lives will be the day he kicks the bucket. And the day after that they will start a campaign the disavow and discredit him like mad.

What r11 said.

Nobody hopes more than Melania, his children and Republicans that Trump would topple over dead.

And I actually believe that even among some of his voters they'll have a sick self-disgust, like a morning-after a one-night stand that was particularly debasing and sordid.

Good. That's the least they deserve.

But there is no coming back from this. The USA has exposed itself as the cruel, ignorant, bigoted POS country that it is.

Rick Wilson has a way with words… but less so with predictions.

We need to hear from Jeanne Dixon's ghost on this topic.

Listen. Trump is always good copy. So once he is dead, some enterprising reporter will do a great investigative piece and it will turn in to a book. "explosive best seller" comes to mind. Which begs the question of WTF was the media doing all these years to allow such an incredible cover up with a cast of characters that would rival the most notorious members of the Five Families? Craig Unger has already written some exposes that have gone no where. It may take someone not American. Some British investigative Reporter. Because the real story isn't just about Trump and his filthy mobster friends. It is about the wider network of collusion, of his enablers, and of the Media in America that shit all over our Democracy.

It’s a cult of personality. Once he is gone, it will fall apart.

The only one who will protest is Don Jr., who thinks he's going to be the heir to the throne.

Over the last 10 years, every prediction about Donald Trump's fate has been wrong.

All Things Must Pass

Yes , indeed. The party that gave us AG Merrick Garland is going to hold all the criminals in and around this administration to account for their crimes. Almost every one of their official acts has been illegal, to say nothing of all the shit happening in private. The Trump family has collected hundreds of millions in cash (literally cash, literally hundreds of millions) selling crypto in private transactions that will almost certainly never see the light of day. The likes of MTG have been caking off the continuous "will he or won’t he" tariff policies. The sheer fire hydrant of criminality, which the news media treats as de rigueur, will lead to not a single crime ever meeting with justice.

Rick Wilson will say anything people want to hear if it gets him attention.

I think MAGA will splinter. No one has the right hold of MAGA that Trump has

R20, and that is the real scandal. my prediction is the criminality will be exposed and some juicy stories will come out and we will read all about the corruption, and the bigger scandal is how many people knew and did nothing. Nothing. The scandal will be the cover up. Right now as we speak, Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito ought to be investigated. Roberts himself has a ton of conflict of interest through his wife, a corporate lawyer. And Kavanaugh is another piece of filth. So we have the SCOTUS, we have Congress, and we have the Executive, not to mention his cabinet, and his cronies and the oligarchs he laundered money for and trafficked young girls. We have hit the absolute bottom. It is shameful.

It depends on the state of the country when (inshallah) Trump dies.

If, as seems likely, he leaves behind utter disaster, everyone involved - from his supporters to his flunkies - will all act like they didn't know he was that bad or that they never really liked him or that they were working with him to make him less harmful.

If by some miracle, it ends without that many dead people, he will be canonized.

Republicans haven't had a successful president since Reagan. And even he's only successful if you ignore a WHOLE lot of things.

I can't wait for the Nuremberg-like trials. BTW, has anyone ever seen Trump laugh?

[quote] BTW, has anyone ever seen Trump laugh?

R25 Never. Malignant narcissists, along with being hopelessly dead inside, are also utterly humorless.

[quote]Over the last 10 years, every prediction about Donald Trump's fate has been wrong.

[bold]THIS.[/bold] One thousand times.

I’m pretty sure MAGA would never back down. It takes an enormous amount of personal courage to admit you’re wrong. They ain’t got it.

The most disgusting family ever to inhabit the white house.

R11 nails it.

Everyone he’s “fired” has spent most of their post-Trump energy denying they did the awful things they did for him . . .

[quote] The only one who will protest is Don Jr., who thinks he's going to be the heir to the throne.

Surely Jr. understands that Barron will be the successor to the political throne.

Barron? Granted he's only 19 but has he ever said more than 10 words in public?

MAGA will want a successor, no question... but I don't see any of them coming from within the Trump family as it stands today. Not Don Jr, not Eric or his psychotically ambitious wife Lara, and not Barron. It could come from the worlds of celebrity, sports, evangelical ministry, or something like that. Thinking about how Hollywood gave us Ronald Reagan, and how things move magnitudes faster today than they did when Reagan got into politics.

Significant numbers (25 - 30%) of his 2024 voters now say they would not vote for him in a hypothetical do-over.

"The USA has exposed itself as the cruel, ignorant, bigoted POS country that it is."

I have been describing That Man in the WH as "crude, rude and cruel" for ages, to everyone I know. The most depressing realization I had ages ago was that for every crude, rude or crude spoken word or action, there were million of Americans furiously masturbating in agreement. Fat, badly dressed, poorly groomed men around the country with their hands down their pants, trying deperately to get an erection so they could cum and show their appreciation for what That Man had said or done.

Color me skeptical. Less than nothing happened to Bush, Rumsfeld, or Cheney. Nor Gonzales. Rice, or Ashcroft.

[quote]It may take someone not American. Some British investigative Reporter.

Right, R15. Remember the British or Australian filmmaker who'd just happened to be making a documentary on the Proud Boys (or maybe the Oath Keepers), in the weeks/months leading up to the 2020 election, and got some really good footage the day before and on J6? His stuff was quite good, and eye-opening. I believe the J6 Committee interviewed him and used some of his footage during the hearings.

Can't recall his name.

You're right, R33. My snowbird neighbor (she's 76 and from Massachusetts), told me when she came down here last December that she was already sorry she'd voted for him.

I was glad she had her regrets, but I still felt like I wanted to kill her.

Isn’t it pretty to think so?

[quote]Less than nothing happened to Bush, Rumsfeld, or Cheney.

You're right, of course, but the fact of the matter is that Trump and the Republicans destroyed the post-1965 constitutional order. A new one will need to be created. What its form will be is anyone's guess. But there's no going back to the 90s. No going back to 2008.

Nothing happened to Bush-Cheney because the Democrat who followed them decided to not to pursue their deeds.

Yeah Obama thought America would freak out if the first black president tried to arrest a fucking Bush for war crimes. Judging by how bad America did freak out over the most polite man who ever lived, he wasn't wrong.

At least two/thirds of the country hate what Trump and his goons are doing to the U.S., the Constitution and the world. Between the Epstein thing and Trump’s general weakening and spinning out more irrationally than usual, he’s bleeding MAGA members whose pocketbooks are taking hits.

I do think this colossal shit pile will eventually collapse under its own weight of inefficiency and corruption. But the causes of reaction behind all this, the Project 2025 people, are very, very rich, have been merely using him as a figurehead, and they will keep fighting with or without Trump.

But from this guy’s pen to god’s ears. Maybe without a public mandate, they will eventually wither away, or all move to New Zealand or something. We can dream.

Fuck you R42!

The problem as I see it, is that "most Americans" don't even understand or fully appreciate the Constitution. If t hat document were ever proposed today, look at t hose first amendments that make up the Bill of Rights and ask yourself which ones would get erased from a new Constitution. Any MAGA drunk can quote his "rights" when the cops stop him, but they really do not fully understand the rule of law and how it protects all of us. They think that masked men wearing no identification can jump out of an unmarked van and "arrest" people, pepper spray them, taser them, drag them by their hair, or brutalize them and disappear them because they are "illegals" not even realizing for a nano second that it could happen to them. They cradle their automatic weapons the way a mother cradles her newborn, never considering that in an authoritarian police state that AR17 will be ripped from their arms and confiscated.

[quote]He predicts Trump's law enforcement goons (Bondi, Patel, Bongino, etc.) will end up going to jail for knowingly breaking so many laws for Trump.

This man obviously has no fucking idea of what he is talking about. He's is just talking straight out of his ass. The democrats are NOT going to prosecute anyone from trump's administration. They couldn't be bothered doing anything when they tried overturn the government.

The democrats are PUSSIES. Useless PUSSIES. They've allowed republicans to start wars against countries that have never done anything to America. They've allowed this president to violate any and all laws, over and over and over. The democrats politicians are just 9-5 employees. They refuse to put in any extra hours. They all said, "if trump is re-elected, he will destroy democracy and then none of them did a thing to stop trump from running again."

In the end, I sometimes think what’s going to save us and curse us over and over is the deep and complex and intractable nature of what’s really ailing us (the American people). We seem destined to swing back and forth between D and R and back again, forever blaming the short term incumbent in the face of problems that would take a decade of unprecedented bipartisan partnership to even begin to solve.

I’m solidly and passionately on one side (Democratic, obviously) but it seems like the best we can do in these deeply divided conditions is 4 to 8 years of Obams/Biden administration competence and then inevitably the pendulum swings against that and toward whatever the conservative/MAGA side wants, or claims to want.

Trump is in the position he is in because rich and powerful people decided to put him there because he serves their interests. Billionaires and Christian Nationalists. It has been a long-term plan that included the capture of the Supreme Court and the courting of the deplorables. For all his “charisma” he could not have made it without them These are people who don’t give a shit about the Constitutional order and in many cases are downright hostile to it. They OWN the Republican Party and he is their thug.

It’s comforting to think that the whole thing comes crashing down if Trump dies, but I think it’s wishful thinking.

Indeed, he is irrational and motivated by emotions and cares about nothing but having and expressing power and wealth. Whoever replaces him (Vance in at least the short term) will likely be more dangerous and strategic.

Not buying it. As others have said, every prediction about Trump's imminent collapse or the collapse of his political base has been dead wrong for over a decade now.

Trumpism didn't start with Trump. It started under a different name with Reaganism and his campaign launch at the site of a civil rights massacre, or maybe we should trace it to Nixon's Southern Strategy in 1968. It continued thanks to Lee Atwater and Karl Rove through the two Bushes, and Newt Gingrich kept it alive through the Clinton administration. We even had it during Obama thanks to the Tea Party "movement" which was always an astroturf operation by the Koch Brothers et al.

It's not "Trumpism" and it won't die with Trump. It's actually been building and getting stronger for decades, and we're currently at its highest point, with no signs of abating. It's American fascism and all of us have been living under it for most if not all of our lives.

R47 speaks the truth! Trump is the Clown, but there are forces really calling the shots, who have a very specific agenda.

I disagree somewhat with r48. I don’t think Reagan or the Bushes were fascists. The were Constitutional conservatives who played with fire to gain power. The fire being energizing and encouraging Christian Nationalist and white supremacist voters. The idea was to keep the base just happy enough to keep voting, but not to actually give effect to its most extreme ideas. The GOP lost control of the balancing act when the extreme right realized it could take over the party and retain power by actually giving the base what it wants. Play with fire and eventually it all burns down

[quote]Nobody hopes more than Melania, his children and Republicans that Trump would topple over dead.

R11 & R12 you live in a woke bubble if you honestly believe that.

R9 & R18 & R48 are correct.

The OP's article (and many of the comments here) sound like wishful thinking.

Look at what is actually being done with the power.

—Taxes cut for the rich

—Federal government being ripped apart. Regulatory state gone

—promotion of fossil fuels and discrediting of climate science

These are the payoffs to the billionaires who bought the party and the Court

—Evisceration of science and academia.

—Return of religion and tradition as the basis for law, and the elimination of s strong conception of individual autonomy/ privacy

—promotion of traditional roles for women

These are the payoff to the Christian Nationalists.

—Roundups and deportations of brown immigrants

—-Destruction of affirmative action/DEI

—revision of history to glorify Confederacy and and discredit and diminish civil rights ideals

—“free speech” as a defense of conservative/racist rhetoric

These are the payoffs to white supremacists

—Centralization of power in the unilateral hands of a powerful leader

—elimination of states as a bulwark against that power (sending federalized troops from red states into blue states)

—voter suppression and extraordinary partisan redistricting

—getting people accustomed to having the military on the streets

—purging military, Justice and intelligence communities of disloyal leaders

These are the strategic moves that ensure that the power they have seized will be permanent.

This was not the work of one man. Particularly not the work of Idiot Trump. This is a carefully plotted slow-motion coup with real brains and power behind it Is Trump’s weitd hold on the base the essential keystone? Perhaps. But that would have been very sloppy.

Cults rarely survive the death of their leader.

The problem for Republicans is that Trump is the only one who can turn out non-traditional voters in big enough numbers to win. They are not going to turn out for Vance or DeSantis.

Anyone who believes Reagan and Bush were in charge should reconsider. Reagan believed. He left the "details" to the professionals. Reagan was guided in his policies by the wealthy powerful interests who called the shots. Think of Reagan and Bush as enablers. And don't give them a pass. They knew exactly what they were doing. Now maybe Bush believed he could appease them and moderate their demands but all he did was slow them down. All Obama did was slow them down. At the ground level we're having the "cultural wars." This is the province of the White Supremacists/Christian Right. So they will demand the elimination of DEI and they will burn books and stop abortions, and open the door for the anti vaxers and other loonies. And while we argue and sue them the Oligarchs are robbing us blind. Dismantling and destroying, privatizing and profiting. Reagan was an evil man who hid behind a mask of affability. They have built their communications and propaganda machinery well. They have successfully persuaded people to vote against their own interests.

The "true believers" will remain. The bubble did not burst after January 6, 2021, which was an insurrection and a grave threat to the constitution and the rule of law. People did not awaken to the grave threat he still posed, even after the Congressional hearings. Or they were willing to ignore that because they saw what Biden was like, Harris was unpopular, and the Democrats had no clear message.

It was a mistake going after his business in NY and going after him for the files he took after leaving office. It added to his personality cult...the "elites" are persecuting him.

The crimes will be revealed, but the Democrats better have a clear appeal to voters that addresses their quality of life with good job prospects that offer good benefits. Right now the Democrats do not have that message and are perceived as prioritizing DEI, gender identity, environmental scare tactics, and open borders.

[quote] Cults rarely survive the death of their leader.

While there is cult-like thinking in the base, do not mistake the GOP for a cult. It is quite rational and strategic .

R54, one of the many ironies of Trumpism is that Reagan no longer exists and Bush’s name is practically a curse word.

I do have some hope (maybe even a little wishful thinking), but I do appreciate that we are in for a very rough time and a real fight for whether or not we will still have a Constitution and a republic.

I agree there are dark, powerful forces behind all of this, that have been playing the long game for decades. I do think there will be chaos in the cult when Trump goes, one way or another, but I am not sure those forces won't either hold the coalition together or find some other way to hang onto dictatorial power. It's a miserable time, but too damn bad. The pessimists are right that nobody can hide from the underlying dangers.

At least the Democrats need to acknowledge everything that is going on and never sugarcoat any of it. These people want a dictatorship and when you hear Dems don't want to fight back against military occupations, well, stop that shit! More things like the Epstein Victims Event, more bluntness, ask if America wants the party of corruption, dictatorship, and pedophilia to be running the place.

R51: I think Melania wants him gone, the children will be (sincerely) grieving. Congressional R's find him a royal pain, can see his plummeting popularity, best case for them is a martyr figure to their base (initially they publicly mourn him), while quietly abandoning the more unpopular aspects (tariffs, etc).

Oh big Daddy please save me, and make others pay!

Rick Wilson sells narratives, most of which are to lull a lot of people. It's a heartwarming story, and some of it might come to pass, but people would be much better off divesting from this belief structure he's selling. Observe it as a quaint idea being expressed. The reality underneath any narrative right now is that the old systems are collapsing, and it's going to be ugly and messy and painful. Let it all collapse. Stop giving the old no longer working systems energy and support. Work toward new systems, ones that can be developed and implemented for the changing society and world. The Western Alliance topic thread and other similar regional alliances are the start of a fresh way forward. Decentralization from the lunatic federal government control grids which, at the current time, are run by batshit conservatives and their puppet king and the ancient Supreme Court partisans.

"Realists" are so fucking tiring. All they do is counsel despair and inaction.

[quote] do not mistake the GOP for a cult. It is quite rational and strategic .

But they will struggle to win elections without Trump, which has been the pattern over the past decade. There are no other Republicans out there who can turn out voters in the same way that Trump can.

Elections? Oh, you dear sweet thing.

R62 creating and developing new systems going forward in answer to the collapsing outdated systems is not "despair and inaction." Clinging to the disintegrating ways of doing things, which are all failing only serves to prop up the authoritarian government because these ghouls are trying to keep the status quo in place. This is why they're taking the most dramatic, desperate route in: a strongman authoritarian government. That's desperation camouflaged as strength. Avoiding sugar-coated narratives, such as Rick Wilson's pretty little screed, are not productive and give people false hope. False hope being shattered when something promised or alluded to doesn't occur is also deeply despairing and causes depressed hopelessness and inaction. (The Mueller Disappointment anyone?) Maybe your perspective needs lifting and adjusting. Facing ugly realities is the first step to finding a better way forward because you don't delude yourself. Put energy into that instead.

Where is the Western Alliance topic thread r61? Is it here on DL - could you pls link to it if possible, thanks.

R53 is right. Trump doesn’t really have a viable heir who can effectively command the same cult like following and turn out low propensity voters. For reasons I’ll never grasp, Trump is sui generis in that regard. Vance, De Santis, Rubio, Hawley, etc., they are all just weird dweebs with little to no charisma.

Things were so much better when Nancy Reagan was president.

Nah. Nothing will happen once it's all over. "For the good of the country, it's best to move forward ..." Blah, blah, blah.

[quote] If, as seems likely, he leaves behind utter disaster, everyone involved - from his supporters to his flunkies - will all act like they didn't know he was that bad or that they never really liked him or that they were working with him to make him less harmful.

He has only ever left disaster in his wake. His supporters should be forever shamed for their stupidity and/or bigotry. His enablers should be imprisoned. The next Democrat in the White House must promise to AGGRESSIVELY prosecute this administration for its corruption.

[quote]Trump doesn’t really have a viable heir who can effectively command the same cult like following

Nor does he want one. To him, MAGA is his creation and sole property. He'd rather take the movement to his grave than have it live on without him.

Conservatives, and especially the voting base of the Republican party, are renowned for marching in lockstep. It's true that Trump has no clear heir. He doesn't need one, though. DeSantis, Rubio, Vance, et al, are going to fight it out in a primary, and they're all going to try to out do each other with their Trump Trumpishness to claim the prize.

One of them will break free eventually and become the front runner. Or maybe it will drag out longer and the eventual nominee will limp into the convention. Either way, come November, their entire base will march in lockstep once again.

Authoritarians aren't just the ones who give orders, they're the ones who blindly and repeatedly follow orders, too. This authoritarianism isn't going anywhere after Trump. It's too entrenched in the minds of too many voters.

R66 this one:

While I agree for the most part R72, don't forget we are dealing with greedy, power hungry, maniacally aggressive seekers of maintaining and gaining the upper hand. They will fuck each other over ruthlessly in their efforts to reach the top of the pile. Then comes revenge, backroom manipulations and mutinies, exposes, etc. These freaks are too self-invested to join forces completely. They ALL want to be top dog. That, in essence, will keep them divided.

Thanks r73. Wasn't sure if "Western Alliance" referred to the bank, or something else. Good thread.

The economy is going to tank and make 1987 look good.

Do not dismiss RFK Jr. Do not. Yes, Rubio, De Santis, etc. will jump in. Maybe even some Media type. I'd say Hannity if he wasn't so old. But someone like Hannity. It's gonna be a shit show, and RFK will definitely be part of it. And yes I say that knowing what a shit show he is. Hegseth may give it a shot too. Who ever it is ought to be smart enough not to try to be Trump ish, but carve out his own place.

My hunch is that Trump's health is so bad he will not want to run again. But that doesn't mean he's going to give up control. He will act like he's going to run again till the very last second possible and then announce he's retiring after having been president for 8 years and totally transforming America (which is true).

So there will be no competition for the position of heir, at least not in public. It will be a huge problem for the Republicans.

None of this will happen. Such clickbait. The man started a resurrection and walked free

the fact that somebody thinks Trump can simply run again if he chooses, in complete defiance of the U.S. constitution, is part of our problem here.

Even if he declared he intends to run again (for grifting, fundraising purposes of course), he'd never be nominated, let alone make it illegally on ballots.

I've said it before here and I'll say it again. We'll need a 21st century version of the Nuremberg trials once this old bastard dies and all the crookedness comes out. I want to see public hangings.

Again, it wouldn't be a simple re-election announcement, for whatever purpose. It would be an announcement that he has repealed the 22nd Amendment, maybe just in his own personal case, and maybe the Constitution itself, just cause he can. That is what I'm talking about. That may happen, we may indeed be rushing into a dictatorship, but we should not act in advance like it is some normal thing for a president to do and then argue the merits.

If Trump even lives to 2028, he will want a puppet regime. They will drag him out of the White House at gunpoint if they have to, but he will want to pretend he's still president. He'll sit down there in that swamp-ass resort of his, boasting about how he would've done it all better.

What about me?

What about you, Eric?

Oh, shit, you're serious?

R82 I wanted that after the insurrection. It was pretty obvious it was a nationwide conspiracy using the 50 state Republican Party organizations as well as other Trump friendly groups to overthrow the results of the 2020 election. Funds were raised, and transportation and lodging as well. The plot had several layers and we should have set up a special commission to investigate. There should have been hearings and investigators sent to every state and arrests made, and Trump should have been arrested IMMEDIATELY, along with his inner circle. RNC should have been banned from conducting any elections in the future until it was reconstituted by non insurrection supporters. We had 147 members of Congress who should have been thrown out. If there was a commission solely dedicated to prosecuting the Insurrectionists, it would have allowed the DoJ to continue to perform it's other functions while a Special Prosecutor and his team handled January 6th. Trump would have never run for office again. He would have been banned and so would anyone else who participated in planning facilitating, or participating.

[quote]Who ever it is ought to be smart enough not to try to be Trump ish, but carve out his own place.

Oh are we giving them pointers now? Is that what we're doing? Hoping that the best one wins?

GTFOOH.

[quote]the fact that anybody thinks the norms of the past still hold, and that our current government hasn't already normalized law-breaking, in complete defiance of the reality all of us see with our own two eyes daily, is part of our problem here.

Fixed those pesky typos for you, R80. You might want to get a new keyboard. The one you have now seems to be minimizing fascism and silencing discussion.

[quote] the fact that somebody thinks Trump can simply run again if he chooses, in complete defiance of the U.S. constitution, is part of our problem here.

No reasonable person thinks he can run again if he chooses.

No, nobody is "silencing discussion." Just be very clear about what you are saying. If you think Trump is going to announce that he is running again, as if that is a perfectly normal thing to be discussed as a perfectly normal political event and then we should focus on his health issues, then you are the one minimizing fascism. And yes, the comment at r81 implies that some people think he can run again if he chooses. No, he can't, without essentially declaring war on the constitution. Again, be clear about that, don't gloss over it.

R80, I can see Trump saying that he is not limited. He will insist the Constitution means he can't run for more than 2 CONSECUTIVE terms. But he was robbed in 2020, so he is entitled to one more term. Now we know that is bullshit, but it gives his supporters the excuse they need.

I don't know; everyone said he was left for dead after 1/6 and yet...here we are.

I’ve been saying that for years. The minute Trump is gone he’ll be the new Bush Jr with all of them pretending to have never supported him. They all praise Trump for being against the Iraq war, which he wasn’t, which they all cheered for back in the 2000s. Numbskulls.

They all a scream about nanny government yet they vote for this fool to protect them like daddy.

So are there any actually real MDs (or board-certified Psychiatrists) that post here on Datalounge? I know several socially and they all say his health is sketchy at best and the likelihood that he's in any shape in 2028 to do much more than go to the bathroom by himself isn't very good. I remember having a two hour meeting with Senator Thad Cochran, and wow, he knew he was in DC but that's where it mostly ended at.

R96 I'll wager almost everyone around Trump is waiting impatiently for him to die. All of them, even those that have been most vocally loyal. Each of them have in their feverish little brains that they'll be "the one" to carry the torch forward, the Second Great White Hope or some such idiocy. And the ones who loathe him, well, same reason. They want to be the new anointed one. It's going to be a mess for the GOP and I will laugh and laugh and laugh.

The “loophole” for a third term would be for Trump to run for VP with a compliant patsy as the head of the ticket with everyone understanding that the patsy will resign and make Trump President. There is room to argue that this is not prohibited, though any normal SCOTUS would strike it down as a transparent end-run around the Constitution.

His health makes it a moot point, I think.

Drop dead already.

Yup, r97. I would give anything to know what they all thought during those Trump is dead rumors, even the top circle which probably knew better. I guarantee there was a lot of, well, we don't know what will happen but at least there will be a couple of days without the shit and nonsense.

I’ll vote D vs R until I’m in the grave… but it could not be clearer that the Dems in Congress do not have the appetite for real pursuit and punishment after the fact, no matter how deserved and even important it is to pursue and punish. They just don’t.

I hope they do now r101. I admit I was one of those who thought, do we want to really make arresting ex-presidents a habit in this country? Trump, and the whole Trump Cult have completely disabused me of that sentiment. I hope many, many other Democrats feel the same way. Arrest the fuckers. Convict the fuckers. Jail the fuckers, or whatever the law calls for.

[quote] I admit I was one of those who thought, do we want to really make arresting ex-presidents a habit in this country?

You realize, don’t you, that since Trump is currently the president, he would get first crack at doing it? Be careful what you wish for.

I hope he dies soon so we can see if OP's assertion is accurate.

He probably wants to r103, and actually I'm a little surprised he hasn't yet. He has certainly toyed with the idea of arresting Obama. But I think the next president will have to be the one to actually do it, arrest Trump and all the cult leaders, well any that are still alive.

Ask yourselves this. If the situation were reversed what would the minority party, Republicans, in Congress do if this was Biden? Because we need to stop playing nice, stop worrying about tradition, and rules, etc. and start kicking ass. Every time it looks like we are going to block something we start out, then lose our appetite for a fight and give in. And the reason we are here right now? You can thank Joe Biden and Merrick Garland.

R101, they can be replaced if that's how they feel about it.

[quote]The most depressing realization I had ages ago was that for every crude, rude or crude spoken word or action, there were million of Americans furiously masturbating in agreement. Fat, badly dressed, poorly groomed men around the country

And the women too R34. The majority of white women voted for Trump in 2024.

R108 Cunts, every last one of 'em!

Maybe the homosexuals are right. Maybe women are no damned good.

[quote] Color me skeptical. Less than nothing happened to Bush, Rumsfeld, or Cheney. Nor Gonzales. Rice, or Ashcroft

Keep Condi’s name out ya mafuckin mouth!

R108, very true that there are women who fap, fap, fap along with That Man's decisions and pronouncements, but make no mistake... he and the powers that be (who are REALLY pulling the strings, making decisions, enacting programs - Russell Vought and Stephen Miller) do not care about the female portion of America.

They only care about keeping the "emasculated" portion of the population outraged, yes, OUTRAGED at what's happened to 'Murca in past 30 years. As long those fat, poorly-dressed, badly groomed emotionally stunted and impotent white males keep trying to get an erection, Vought and Miller know they've distracted a huge swath of the voting block from real issues and can retain power in DC and dismantle the current structure of the federal gov't.

THAT is what gives Russell and Stephen an erection and even a dribbling leak of spunk.

There's no telling how many lurid exposés revealing things people can't or are too afraid to reveal while he's alive have already been written or are in the process now, just waiting for the old shit to croak. I just hope most of the lower echelon scumbags around Trump also get caught up in these revelations.

I hope the revelations about the depth of Dump's criminality and depravity are fully revealed BEFORE his death, but not, there will be shock waves and plenty of faux shock waves shaking the foundation of his supporters.

Here is the thing about Dump supporters: Be they grifters in training or just true believers, they ALL crave 2 things: Someone to blame for their choices and actions (Dump gives them this in spades) and revenge.

As long as they have his collaborators like Bondi, Patel et all to pillory and blame for "lying to them" etc. they will be happy to and take delight in the downfall of the very people they once applauded who facilitated Dump's criminality.

[quote] Maybe the homosexuals are right. Maybe women are no damned good.

Ann Coulter often says it was a mistake to give women the vote, but I don’t know if she’s joking or not.

R109, please. It’s non-college educated white women who supported Trump. Why? They want the 1950s back. They want to be stay at home moms. College-educated white women, Black women, Hispanic women, Jewish women—women with greater contact with reality, in other words—voted for Harris.

R115 The Frauen are known to be stupid and self-centered, so their vote has always been for sale to whatever asshole promises them lower grocery prices and fewer Satanic Pedophiles on their streets.

Married middle-class women are, by and large, brainless cows.

The 2024 Trump Vs Harris election gave us a 10 point gender gap in the results, close to 2020 and 2016 results…

… yet here on Datalounge it’s women who are the problem!

True r117, and I'm not some self-hating white man, but if we want to pick the single worst voting block, the ones that rush most enthusiastically to vote for the biggest asshole in the race, it's white men. That's been a standard political fact for years.

We already KNOW white men vote like assholes. This isn't news.

It's also not surprising, since they're voting to preserve their social standing and economic gains.

What IS surprising is how the women vote. You expect white men to vote for the sexist, racist, fake-rich cocksucker. But you don't expect the VICTIMS of this social dysfunction to be enthusiastic supporters of it. They're putting their own power, their own agency, and their own uteruses, on the line.

Rick Wilson is another blowhard, much like James Carville

R120 Carville takes the prize as a world class asshole. No comparison.

R121 hasn't met Karl Rove, Glenn Greenwald, or Don Lemon.

Carville has a fan base here on the DL whenever he goes on a screed against Kids Today. As if they were the problem and not the vast swathe of resentful racist assholes who voted for this monster.

Amendment 22 does not state the word "consecutive".

Twenty-Second Amendment Section 1

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

Section 2

This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission to the States by the Congress.

Interesting, r24. I had forgotten this part:

[quote] and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

So if Trump vacates before January 2027, Vance could only win one additional term.

[quote]So if Trump vacates before January 2027, Vance could only win one additional term.

Technically, but keep in mind the US Government is run by a convicted felon who has no regard for the law and considers himself exempt from it's confines. The good news is that Dump will sabotage anyone who tries to "take his place" in the hideous MAGA firmament. He wants to be the one and only and say It fell apart when he left.

So there exists the hope that Dump will devour all his competition out of narcissism