‘Wuthering Heights’ trailer is here!

Yeah, no. Fuck them and this version and the director or producer who has remade this into some weird sex-pulp version.

I'm not even watching the trailer because what I heard about the "fondling the hanged man's dick" scene seems so unnecessary and ridiculous.

This looks so good though r1

I’ve had sufficient of both leads.

Oh goodie, another CGI fest.

interesting.

Wait. Am I alone in thinking this looks really interesting? I will be watching.

Bodices WILL be ripped!

I’ll be watching even though she’s miscast (I like her as an actress but she’s too contemporary looking). He looks good but probably the dirty Heathcliff beard is a mistake. I don’t see Latif as Edgar, he could’ve been cast as Heathcliff.

R8 this is a new adaptation. They’re all miscast if you’re comparing it to the novel.

R6, have you met r2?

Margot Robbie is far too long in the tooth to be playing Cathy.

I’m starting to think Fennell is a not ever going to be a major talent. That’s ok. I have been entertained by her efforts.

Major talent is a matter of opinion.

She’s talented.

Did this movie really need to be remade???

The movie isn’t remade. This is a new adaptation of the novel.

I think it looks like a hot-collared hoot!

Will it start with old Heathcliff? being visited by ghost Cathy?

Charli XCX did the music for this film

She does SONGS for the film...she doesn't do the score.

Margo Robbie is perfect to play 15-18 year old Cathy!

[quote]fondling the hanged man's dick

This is the Datalounge, we've fondled worse.

Those two are easy on the eyes.

Exactly why they were cast

I was going to play that role but I photographed a bit jejeune for it to be believable. I'm glad they gave it to an older actress who needs the work!

Elordi is so overexposed and weird-looking.

Elordi is hot and sexy and handsome and talented. No wonder everyone is hiring him.

r26 might be time to update your lens prescription. He looks like an image from a fun-house mirror.

R27 I see him well. He is hot

Agree to disagree

R29 exactly.

I liked Elordi in SALTBURN but he also wasn't carrying the film. Since then I've found him a mostly dull screen presence in THE NARROW ROAD TO THE DEEP NORTH and ON SWIFT HORSES (which is terrible in general).

He seems too wan an actor to take on Heathcliff.

R31 highly unpopular opinion.

Elordi was why anyone watched Saltburn. Wasn’t for the actual movie.

R33, I loved the movie, especially Barry Keoghan’s performance.

This looks SO good, But I loved Saltburn and Promising Young Woman (both are in my Top 50 movies) I love Emerald Fennell.

I didn’t love Promising Young Woman but loved the performances in it.

I loved Saltburn.

Eww wtf is that music, it ruined the whole thing.

It looks so fucking CHEESY. This is getting the Razz for worst movie, I guarantee it

The mansion in Saltburn was the star of the movie.

There's something about Margot Robbie where I already don't like the movie. She's always the same no matter what the role is. Barbie, whatever, she's exactly the same and completely uninteresting.

Well it was the title character. But Elordi was who everyone was going nuts over online and he was the first viral “edit” on TikTok after Saltburn came out.

I love Margot Robbie. She beautiful and a talented actor.

Well, someone was going to post it.

Margot Robbie's problem is, she's too much like an actual Barbie. That Barbie doll prettiness gets in her way.

Jacob Elordi has all the signs of a "Flavor of the Moment". Vaguely handsome and fuckable but not really much of an actor. He can cost on his looks for awhile until the next hot male actor comes along.

This appears to be about tawdry sex between whores. The original film was about the passionate love of soul mates.

“Flavor of the moment” has been working consistently since 2019

R45 original film?

You know this is an adaptation of a BOOK, right? Right?! The MANY films weren’t original.

R47 Yes, I know that, as was the first film. They're both called Wuthering Heights because they were both adapted from the book, Wuthering Heights. Are you suggesting we cannot compare different film version of the same book?

This is a film for whores!

The youtube comments say it all.

Can't wait till they do a new version of Jane Eyre with Ana de Armas and Austin Butler.

Margot Robbie should have won the Oscar for I, Tonya. They gave it to Frances McDormand for Three Billboards. Wrong but that's what Hollywood connections can do.

R52 couldn’t disagree more

How so?

Ew, I avoid these 'steamy' breeder bodice-rippers. The audience just shifts uncomfortably at the lack of heat. Or giggles.

Much as I shifted uncomfortably at your use of "breeder" as a pejorative for straight people. Does the audience also upchuck as I did?

I just want to see the bolts in Elordi's head as Frankenstein. That has always been the best feature of The Monster.

It should have been Austin Butler and Jacob Elordi as the sexed up leads. That would be more interesting. 🔥

Yes, Frances McDormand is a major powerhouse in Hollywood.

She can make and break people!

Jacob Elordi didn't become a "Person of Interest" until 2023 when Priscilla and Saltburn came out at about the same time.

Frankenstein is getting mixed reviews. Wuthering Heights is another arty farty film.

He needs an actual hit film to make him a major star.

R60 he’s a star because of Euphoria dear. That 2023 comment is bullshit. Do you mean MOVIE star?

Bridgerton for Bronte fans.

Robbie looks like Mattel made a Barbie loosely based on Cathy.

I loathe the book, but even so -- No thanks.

Zendaya is a star because of Euphoria, dear. She's been a Star since it debuted.

Except for 12 horny teens and 37 horny old fags such as yourself, the world wasn't THAT aware of him...until his big movie year in '23.

Since he's yet to demonstrate much talent, he's got about 2 years left to get himself a commercial hit.

R63 sweetie, Euphoria is HBOs second most watch show ever. Please stop embarrassing yourself

It’s weird cause I never thought Heathcliff was white in the novel but he’s always white in the movies. The context of the struggle of their relationship never makes sense in the movies compared to the novel.

R65 I thought he was actually black in the 2011 version.

I think in the novel he's referred to as a gypsy.

His race is never stated but He’s referred to as a “dark-skinned gypsy” and a lascar, which is a historical term for Indians. So it’s assumed he is either Indian or Middle Eastern. But he’s not white.

And most likely not black either.

Margot Robbie’s extraordinary beauty is the reason movies had to be invented. Decades ago many actors were beautiful, now hardly any are because too many stupid people feel intimidated rather than inspired by the beautiful, by a face the camera loves.

So we get romances with fat girls managing to enchant ripped guys so they can wallow in their mediocrity (thinking about the latest season of “Bridgerton,” Shonda Rhimes!)

Any morsel of Old Hollywood glamour is just fine with me. I could use much more of it.

Ann Miller.

::::: CREAK ::::::

Margot Robbie looks beautiful.

She also looks about 35.

Wuthering Heights does not work is it is not about young people.

*if it is not about young people

Does Jacob Elordi have acromegaly?

[quote]I never thought Heathcliff was white in the novel

I keep seeing young people saying this online and this is not the impression I got from the book (which admittedly I read a long time ago).

Aren't "gypsies" white?

R75 no. They’re usually South Asian.

And the book is clear he isn’t white.

R72. the character Robbie plays - Catherine Earnshaw Linton - is still only a teenage when she dies after giving birth to her and her husband Edgar Linton's only child, Cathy Linton. I think Robbie's a good actress, obviously beautiful, but she is obviously a 30-something woman. The character of Catherine is very much an impetuous, immature, spoiled teenager. That aspect of her character is integral to her relationship with Heathcliff. Heathcliff is close to Catherine in age, don't think it's known how exactly old he is since he was an orphan when Catherine's father took him in. But he's probably a year or two older than Catherine.

After Catherine marries Edgar, Heathcliff marries Edgar's sister Isabella (when she is still a teenager) out of revenge, and they go on to have a messed up son, Linton. The story of the second generation - Cathy Linton, Linton Heathcliff, and Hareton Earnshaw (son of Catherine's brother Hindley) is usually not treated in dramatizations of the novel, but is pretty compelling, too.

This looks so masturbatory and overwrought. "Music by Charli XCX" seems more like a threat than an endorsement.

I don't think Heathcliff is a literal gypsy, of a particular race. He's just referred to as a gypsy.

Romani Gypsies

I’ll pass, even when it comes to streaming.

Is the Euphoria troll still around? I sense his presence.

He’s literally described as dark skinned and called an old Indian term.

Jesus people. He wasn’t simply called a gypsy.

I can tell who read the book and who didn’t

Ohhhh noooo. From gothic suspense/horror fiction novel to bodice ripper pulp romance movie? Nooooo.

R69: Welcome to DL, Margot Robbie's PR team!

‘50 Shades of Agnes Grey’

I honestly don't see the hubbub with Margot Robbie's "beauty." I think she has a very trashy, low-rent look to her. I could imagine her in a trailer park, quite honestly. I feel she looks similar to many actresses (we did a thread on here where we posted them all) who all have a very similar look. I've linked it below (surprise, it's a thread about this movie from last year!), and the comparisons start at r67.

I went through a phase of watching Australian tv shows, and there was a certain look of some of the women that were usually typecast as trashy sorts - and she definitely has it. It's hard to describe, but it's similar to the actress who plays the character Billie Proudman in "Offspring" - a show that ran from 2010 - 2017.

I just don't find her compellingly beautiful at all. Attractive/pretty - yes, definitely. There is a sharpness about her features that doesn't lend itself to the term beautiful. So, not beautiful in my eyes. And yes, I'm an ugly troll...and the opposite end of the beauty spectrum. I'll just say it so that it's already out there.

Wait, wasn’t Heathcliff the father of Catherine’s baby? It’s been decades since I read the book.

R86 lmao. Please be for real.

This is where the clash of whitewashing and over “woke” rears its head.

Heathcliff is not white in the novel but white in the TV and movie adaptations.

If they had cast a novel accurate actor for Heathcliff, people would cry “woke” because Hollywood has been over compensating progressiveness by race swapping characters for the sake of it.

Now that a race swap would be legitimate, it’s safer to cast a white actor for the movie to do well so it’s not branded “woke” and flops by outrage.

She has a ready for Instagram-ready look, but not the right look for a period piece like Wuthering Heights.

*ready for Instagram look* rather

r88 - I *am* being "for real."

Did I lose your attention after the first two sentences, maybe?

R86 - she's no Michelle Pfeiffer (Michelle at Robbie's age) that's for sure. As a modern day "beauty" Robbie, to me, is surprisingly basic looking.

Completely agree, r93.

I've always found Michelle Pfeiffer to be beautiful at almost every age (although when she was VERY young, she had a very unrefined look to her, but that was in her teen years).

Yes, I know she got a nose job.

R89, Heathcliff wasn't black and he wasn't Indian. He was supposedly darker skinned, probably more akin to a gypsy, but is also described in the book as white. Emily Brontë had no sense of black people or even Indian people. She was just trying to make Heathcliff out to be a mysterious character. In Jane Eyre, her sister included what we today would call a "biracial" or mixed-race character and the treatment of that character is completely different from that of Heathcliff. It's also obvious that Charlotte and, no doubt, Emily too had probably never seen a mixed-race person.

He was never described as white

Heath was described as BROWN. Not white.

It has jangly electronic music, chicly morphed grand country house design, and 21st C trained bodies, so why not?

R95 Brontë's family, particularly her brother Bramwell, lived near Liverpool, a major port where diverse groups, including those from the Indian subcontinent, were present at the time. This exposure could have influenced her writing.

[quote] [R89], Heathcliff wasn't black and he wasn't Indian. He was supposedly darker skinned, probably more akin to a gypsy, but is also described in the book as white. Emily Brontë had no sense of black people or even Indian people.

In the novel, Mr. Linton explicitly refers to Heathcliff as a "Lascar," which referred at the time to "a sailor or militiaman from the Indian subcontinent, Southeast Asia, the Arab world, British Somaliland or other lands east of the Cape of Good Hope who was employed on European ships from the 16th century until the mid-20th century."

It may be that Heathcliff is intended to be of Roma origin (Nellie Dean compares him to a "gypsy"), or he may even just be a darkly-complected Caucasian. But it is flat-out incorrect to say "Emily Bronte had so sense of black people or even Indian people," when there's clearly evidence in the text that she did.

[quote] In Jane Eyre, her sister included what we today would call a "biracial" or mixed-race character and the treatment of that character is completely different from that of Heathcliff.

Why would that matter? Charlotte and Emily Bronte were two different people, even though they were sisters.

Also, for the record, Heathcliff and Bertha Mason Rochester actually are treated very similarly. Both are conceived as passionate outsiders with violent and destructive tempers.

It's Bertha ANTONETTA Mason Rochester to YOU, good sir!

There are passages where Heathcliff is described as pale and white.

Emily Brontë wasn't trying to do 21st-century "diversity". Her aim was to create a mysterious, in many ways villainous character from the margins of society and giving him the aura of a fledgling gypsy was part of that.

I doubt Emily was going down to the docks or hanging around the narrow alleyways with the sailors' cafes.

Yes. He was probably Indian sweetie or Arab.

R103 please share a passage where he’s described as pale and white.

The book doesn’t describe him as pale and white one time. Not one time.

That poster has a history of just making shit up but to blatantly lie and make up shit about LITERATURE is actually insane. You’re speaking as if the book is no longer in existence. Those of us who’ve read it know what it says and we can always go back and re-read it.

You can’t lie about what’s WRITTEN for the world to read.

[quote]R79 I don't think Heathcliff is a literal gypsy, of a particular race. He's just referred to as a gypsy.

Brontë describes him as a “dark-skinned gypsy” and “a little Lascar.” Why shouldn’t we believe the author?

R107 exactly. That poster is going as far as to lie and claim he was described as pale and white when that’s nowhere in the novel.

I do think there was one line about him looking as white as the wall behind him during one moment.

It’s very clear that whatever he is, he is seen as different from them.

r109 I think that reference was referring to the fact that at that moment, he was scared/upset/terrified. It wasn't a remark on his usual countenance.

Totally agree with your last sentence.

R82 Maybe I just didn't memorize it when I read it 40 years ago...

R108

"That poster..." is not me. I'm the person he quoted but I didn't claim Heathcliff was pale, white, or whatever. That must have been someone else. Don't you know how to search people's posts? Might save you embarrassment.

Winston Churchill thinks that the ‘wogs’ begin at Calais!

This has predatory vibes. Isn’t the last scene between a man and girl? Good luck.

The book doesn’t describe him as pale and white one time. Not one time.

He's described as both pale, and white as a wall, from shock. Dark skinned people don't suddenly turn white from shock.

I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong, maybe Bronte was being deliberstely ambiguous, or maybe she even made some errors of continuity.

I took people calling him gypsy beggar, and things like that, to be slurs. He's dark-eyed and swarthy, so someone calls him Lascar. Doesn't mean it's the truth. These are English people of another time, with their usual prejucices, so because he looks different, he would be called the most exaggerated slur someone could think of.

^^Should have been in quotes: [quote] The book doesn’t describe him as pale and white one time. Not one time.

[quote] [R82] Maybe I just didn't memorize it when I read it 40 years ago...

Well, then, by all means, just talk out of your ass instead. Make stuff up! That's a great argumentative technique.

R117 It's just an internet forum, you freak.

Well it’s going to confuse people who’ve read the book that Heathcliff is the Lascar/gypsy/dark other and Shazad Latif is playing milquetoast Edgar Linton. Maybe nobody has read the book in this century.

Grabbing my old copy right now and poring through it to prove my points to people I'll never meet in a thread no one will remember in a year.

Did they author ever write, "He wasn't a white man," "He had Indian blood, " or any other thing she could have easily done? Why not?

R121 19th-century novels rarely used blunt labels like “Black man” or “Indian blood.” Instead, authors described appearance, used nicknames, or showed how others reacted. Readers filled in the blanks. In 1847, words like “gypsy,” “Lascar,” “foreigner,” “dark-skinned” were already loaded racial markers. A Victorian reader wouldn’t need the author to say “not white.” They’d immediately get it.

Emily Brontë isn’t from the 2000s or American where race is beat over the head.

R115 That’s not how their way of thinking in the 1800s.

It’s weird how whites whitewash. It shows how delusional white people are in thinking everything is white unless noted, even in explicit details of a character lol.

And how would Emily have had no understanding of Indian people? Emily lived right in the middle of Britain’s consolidation of India. India had begun populating in the UK.

“Lascar” would have made perfect sense to Emily’s readers. It drew directly on the empire’s presence during her own era, when India was under British control through the East India Company.

It’s not like being Indian would have been random.

And his race is probably ambiguous based on the fact that it was the fucking 1800s and it would have been a scandal and never published had it been explicitly stated an Indian man and a white woman were in a romantic relationship.

Sex sells everything and sex kills.

It's been many years since I read the book, so I can't remember everything word-for-word, but according to Wikipedia, which quotes from the book, Heathcliff was described as "white" and "pale" and many other things.

[quote]There has been debate about Heathcliff's race or ethnicity. In the novel Heathcliff is first described as a "dark-skinned gipsy" in appearance with "black eyes", as well as later being said to be "as white as the wall behind him"[120]: 21  and "pale...with an expression of mortal hate.".[120]: 243  Mr Linton, the Earnshaws' neighbour, suggests that he might be "a little Lascar (a 19th-century term for Indian sailors;[99]), or an American or Spanish castaway".[120]: 44  Mr Earnshaw calls him "as dark almost as if it came from the devil",[100] and Nelly Dean speculates fancifully regarding his origins thus: "Who knows but your father was Emperor of China, and your mother an Indian queen?"

Heathcliff isn't intended to have a specific "race" and his family origins are unknown, so it's not possible for someone to factually label him a "Lascar". One character in the book suggests he could be a Lascar, or a Spaniard, or an American, but this is to underline his "otherness". The point of him being "dark" is that he's a mysterious, liminal and potentially dangerous character.

R101, Charlotte and Emily Bronte were two different people who had almost exaxtly the same life experiences, hence they encountered pretty much the same kind of people. I suspect their personal experience of non-white people was almost non-existent, hence why Emily Bronte can describe a character that is first introduced as dark-skinned as being white or pale.

Heathfliff as white as the wall behind him, chapter 3.

[quote]Heathcliff stood near the entrance, in his shirt and trousers; with a candle dripping over his fingers, and his face as white as the wall behind him. The first creak of the oak startled him like an electric shock: the light leaped from his hold to a distance of some feet, and his agitation was so extreme, that he could hardly pick it up.

Wow! Looks awful!

Heathcliff growing pale, chapter 33.

[quote]The master seemed confounded a moment: he grew pale, and rose up, eyeing her all the while, with an expression of mortal hate.

The people claiming that the book doesn't describe Heathcliff as pale or white, not one time, have obviously never read the book and have no interest in or knowledge of its cultural or historical background.

White! Woke! HISSSSS

R123 the funniest part is the poster making shit up as he tries to argue something that can’t be argued keeps on conveniently leaving out the character is blatantly described as having dark skin. He acknowledges the dark eyes and hair but keeps leaving out the dark skin.

The book makes it clear he’s dark skinned and a FOREIGNER (meaning he isn’t one of them) but he still wants to argue, even pretending to own a copy of the book when I know he hasn’t read it. This is someone who hasn’t even stepped foot in college.

R129 r130 oh we’ve read the book and understand what we are reading. We understand context. Clearly you don’t. Because you’re uneducated trying to argue with educated men and women.

Read what r129 says. That doesn’t mean he’s white. If you can’t understand context you don’t belong here but should be in school.

What about the idea (it must’ve been mentioned in the book, I don’t know how I would’ve thought it otherwise)) that Heathcliff was Hindley’s bastard son? Think about it, he comes home from town one day with this random little kid. Hindley was otherwise not noted for his kindness and at that age, Heathcliff was too young to help on the farm. Makes the future Heathcliff/Cathy romance just a little bit problematic.

So Heathcliff has big black dick, right? Big "dark person" penis.

R131, you’re not doing what you think you’re doing. It’s not working.

R133, not sure what you mean by educated, but I have a PhD in history from the University of Cambridge (same college as where Patrick Brunty became Patrick Brontë).

Funnily enough, I had considered re-reading Wuthering Heights as my summer holiday reading as it was next up on my Kindle list, but chose The Count of Monte Cristo instead, written by the great Franco-Afro-Haitian writer Alexandre Dumas instead. If you want confused exotic ethnicities and very white skin, the Count is a perfect example, despite his creator's non-white skin.

I also recently-ish slogged/skimmed through Armadale by Wilkie Collins, where one of the main characters is explicitly of part African-Carribean origin and is described as dark skinned but also written about as though he were a completely white person (e.g. he has floppy hair).

"Race" in 19th-century European novels is quite unrelated to 21st-century American fixations.

R132 The correct idiom is "set foot in/on" to mean entering or stepping into a place or situation, while "stepped foot" is a widely used but considered incorrect variant, possibly originating from a misunderstanding of the original idiom.

I no that cuz I went to colleje.

R137 only none of that is true. Stop lying.

R137 a dark skinned person with floppy hair would be South Asian or Indian. Not white.

But you have a PhD?

R137 this is someone who isn’t black. Isn’t white. Dark skin. “Floppy” hair. They’re called South Asian. Not white. Not black.

The world is not two things. You don’t have a PhD when you don’t even understand something as simple as this.

Actually, you have NO COLLEGE DEGREE. And we know this as your endless online crimes have had you watched for a long time. Recently doxxing someone on Twitter and TikTok.

I’m a huge fan of Margot Robbie, and doubtless she’ll bring a wonderful maturity to the part, but I feel Sophie Thatcher would have been the more courageous casting choice.

Emerald knows who she wanted and what film she wanted to make. Who she cast is who she felt was right in her vision (and her version). You don’t know better than the woman who wrote and directed it herself.

South Asian. Not white. Not black. Darker skin. “Floppy hair”.

Gave you a male this time so maybe you understand that the world is not 2 things. Signs of an uneducated brain.

^top entry for a potential Heathcliff (and what he looked like)

I’ve seen many people say Dev Patel is actually what Heathcliff looks like and they’re right. Another example of what’s described, Dev Patel.

Ugh - nothing against Dev Patel, but I don't find him very attractive.

Hardly who I'd characterize as hunky and brooding (my words/characterization of Heathcliff)

I mean, Ralph Fiennes played Heathcliff. It was unwatchable back then.

Merle Oberon should have played Healthcliff, she was Anglo-Indian.

Precisely, r137, the character is of part black (African) descent yet he is described as having floppy hair. Just goes to show how much 19th-century European writers understood about the appearance of people from a non-white background.

Exactly r141, 19th-century novelists were very uncertain about the physical characteristics of non-European peoples.

You could all try reading Armadale for yourselves and see.

R141, I don't have a college degree (that's an American thing), but I have university degrees.

Merle was half Indian. Her mother was Indian. Her father was white.

This was her mother

R150 so he was biracial? Meaning he very well could be half black with white people hair texture. It happens.

R143, Robbie is everywhere. Not exactly an inspired choice. 🥱

Completely agree, r154.

Go away for awhile! Over-used and needs a break.

Give some other actresses a chance.

Ozias Midwinter was the biracial character in Armadale. It is very clear in the book that he is biracial - half Black, half white as far as his background goes. He was also a very sympathetic character - the exact opposite of a character like Heathcliff.

It looks like it STINKS!

There are no movie theaters left in my neck of the woods. I'll have to wait for it to stream.

Margot Robbie is too contemporary looking to be in a period piece Not convincing

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I've been reading this for years: someone is too contemporary looking to be in a period piece. Nobody in that period had the genes to come out looking like Margot Robbie? Why not? What you really mean is, too contemporary looking to fit a preconceived notion of what someone looked like in those days that's not based on reality. It's based on how movies tell you people in period pieces are supposed to look. Not how they really did look.

Unless an actress is going to the gym and has sculptured abs, or something like that. That would be too contemporary.

There are videos on YouTube showing photos of women from the mid1800s who look very contemporary facially, some look like supermodels. I know the book was set earlier than that but it’s not as if EB ever claimed that her characters didn’t look the same as people did when she wrote the book.