Judy Garland was going to be in Valley of the Dolls?

Lucy was too but Gary talked her out of it.

I am fascinated by people like R2 who remember every fricking thread that's ever been on this site. Are you on here constantly or something?

Search function.

Gays once gathered in bars.

Did anyone know this?

Did Gary talk her out of it?

She was even going to plant her own tree, OP.

Judy was one of the most talented singers ever. She also had a lot of pain and struggle throughout her life. Despite that, she had a good heart, which is hard to encounter in Hollywood. At a time when gay people were oppressed beyond belief, they identified with her struggles and she theirs.

Everyone on earth knew it.

Are you trolling us, OP?

You're a bot OP, aren't you. C'mon and show me your huge bot penis.

She'll plant her own tree!

"My tree will not be just one in a row."

wtf

Haha, I’ll say!

It's MY YARD

So I will TRY HARD

To welcome friends I've yet to know!

I'll plant my own tree and I'll MAKE it grow.

She kept the costume.

I hope she left the ponytail.

What were they going to do with the costume, anyway, try to fit it on the next 4' 10" person up for the role?

She went out the way she came IN!

EVERYBODY knows this, OP. After she was fired, I heard people at my parent's party talking about how Judy would appear at anyone’s party for $200 CASH.

R22 And raid their medicine cabinet.

So what happened?

Yes, OP, I do recall hearing that.

She did “take” the costume as mentioned above. 10 or 15 years ago I saw it at the NYPL Costume Exhibit (I think ?) Anyway I could not believe how tiny it was. It practically looked like a doll’s pantsuit.

R8: It's a dumb song, but Judy's rendition has a vitality that Hayward's didn't. Even though the lyrics are forgettable, you picture it being part of a Broadway show (unlike the Hayward version).

[quote]"My tree will not be just one in a row."

One of many trees, not a row of one tree. Moron.

[quote]Judy's rendition has a vitality that Hayward's didn't.

That's because Margaret Whiting sang it.

"I did not know that."

R28 You're moron if you think I didn't know what it meant.

I think Judy had already arranged with Trevilla to keep the costume during pre-production. She did not "steal" it.

Weirdest casting was Patty Duke. The world only knew her in winsome juvenile roles. And here she was popping pills, assaulting people, cussing and generally flipping out. They even had to dub her singing voice.

The movie earned a lot of money but didn't do much for her career- even though she's the best thing in it.

"That's because Margaret Whiting sang it"

Are we sure?:

"Margaret Whiting dubbed Susan Hayward, but she also was under contract to a different label, so veteran voice double Eileen Wilson sings "I'll Plant My Own Tree" on the soundtrack album"

[quote] Did anyone else know this?

Every gay man everywhere knew this. It's like day two of Gay 101.

R33: Her hammy overacting is one opf the worst things about the film.

Even Helen Keller knew about this.

Whiting sang it on the film soundtrack, someone else sang it on the record because Margaret was on a different label.

Check out Judy's appearance as the Mystery Guest on What's My Line? promoting the film. Before she was abruptly fired. And you can kind of tell why here.

We’ve seen it, R39.

[quote] Her [Patty Duke’s] hammy overacting is one of the worst things about the film.

R36 Patty as Neely O’Hara just seemed like Patty Lane during her period to me.

OP- Lucille Ball was going to be in Valley Of The Dolls- not as many would assume- the Helen Lawson character but as Neely O'Hara.

But once again Gary talked her out of it.

She was looking forward to saying FAG in the script. Which is what she called Ceasar Romero after hearing about him deep throating Desi.

Yes, OP, I had heard that.

Did you also know that superstar Liza Minnelli is Judy Garland's daughter?

It's true!

I hope the story about Susan Hayward making sure the producers paid her before she would sign on was true.

I was molested, OP. Did you know?

Well damn, I had no idea this was widely known information. I guess I'm not as old as the rest of you.

OP asks a stupid question and decides to call the rest of us old. Fuck you, OP.

The woman should wear the dress. Not the dress wear the woman.

Judy had the most soothing voice I've ever heard. Love her.

I heard they were thinking of casting Shirley Temple in The Wizard of Oz.

That's okay, OP. This thread at least beats talking about the White House china.

OP: here’s another late breaking newsflash: Doris Day turned down the role of Mrs Robinson in The Graduate. It went to Anne Bancroft instead. But you’re probably too young to know who these people are.

OP - Yes, she was fired because everyone kept laughing every time Judy said the line "Broadway doesn't go for booze and dope."

Patty talking to Bruce Vilanch at the Castro Theater about Judy in the film:

^Watch it, it's good.

[quote]OP: here’s another late breaking newsflash: Doris Day turned down the role of Mrs Robinson in The Graduate. It went to Anne Bancroft instead. But you’re probably too young to know who these people are.

R52, stay on topic, please.

It's too bad that Robson didn't at least print a couple a couple of Judy's takes of the dressing room scene - would have been interesting to see.

AND also the actress who played the ladies' room attendant in the big fight scene is the same actress that played the matron who gives Susan Hayward a mask as she's on her way to the gas chamber in I Want To Live.

You're ready to fly right out of here aren't you, R57?

R57 That's Gertrude Flynn.

(Gertrude with Alan Ladd and Sophia Loren in Boy on a Dolphin, 1957:)

I preferred the remake called Boy in a Dolphin, starring Dan Marino.

[quote]R18 She kept the costume.

But she left the song behind, disliking “I’ll Plant My Own Tree.”

They could have used the costumes if they replaced her with Helen Hayes. She was pretty short.

And could she belt!

Yes, OP!

[quote]R57 The actress who played the ladies' room attendant in the big fight scene is the same actress that played the matron who gives Susan Hayward a mask as she's on her way to the gas chamber in I Want To Live.

Maybe they were lezzie lovers, and Susie demanded this supplicant be cast…. and therefore on-hand during filming in order to slam clams as needed.

[quote] “I’ll Plant My Own Tree.”

Is it a marijuana tree?

If Neely was supposed to be Judy, who were Helen Lawson, Anne Welles, and Jennifer North supposed to be?

I think Lawson was supposed to be Ethel Merman

I just started working with clay, while making an album lying down.

Anne is basically a classier, blonde version of the author herself. As far as physical appearance went she thought Grace Kelly would be right for the part.

Anne Welles was mostly who Jackie Susann thought she was, Jennifer North was Carole Landis and Marilyn Monroe.

Jacqueline Susann bore more of a resemblance to Barbara Perkins than she did Grace Kelly. Talk about artistic license.

“My name is Barb[a]ra, too.”

[quote] is the same actress that played the matron who gives Susan Hayward a mask as she's on her way to the gas chamber in I Want To Live.

The one she called Fat Stuff?

[quote] But she left the song behind, disliking “I’ll Plant My Own Tree.”

I love that someone found the original Judy recording of "Tree" and synched it to the film w/Hayward. Interesting to see what could have been. The line from Lyon would have made more sense seeing a master like Judy as Helen, of course.

Yup - Gertrude Flynn.

reminds me of how tickled I was seeing the newspaper headline scenes

OP: Everyone knew that.

T71 - PARKINS!

Stop it, Nancy, you're being owhbnochhus.

Barbara Parkins should have been a much bigger star.

????? Doing what - sleep aid commercials??

[quote] T71

R71.

How very Grahn of you, R82

R80 she was too fucking busy and too busy fucking.

This has been known since the beginning. Just even held a press conference.

My mom told me that Anne Welles was based on Suzy Parker but I've never heard that anywhere else.

DL favorite Lena Horne scraping bottom singing a song from Valley of the Dolls in 1967. I wonder what she REALLY thought about this songs and the tackier that tacky set provided by the Dean Martin Show -

R87 I don't understand. Who was making her sing it?

[quote]I don't understand. Who was making her sing it?

Her Massah!

That song doesn’t make a lot of sense. [italic]Trees don’t grow that quickly. [/italic]How can you plant one (from a seed?) and then expect it to be offering shade “come tomorrow”? I don’t even know how much shade it would offer in a few years…

R90 You don't have to plant a tree from a seed.

Only Judy could sing a piece of shit of a song like I'll Plant My Own Tree and make it work. She sang the fuck out of that song, R8!

[quote]R91 You don't have to plant a tree from a seed.

Then it should be “I’ll pay a forklift operator to plant my grown tree for me.”

...friends I have yet to know

I think I’m the search queen around here. I’m constantly pulling up old threads from Google and reading them and bumping them if there’s a good post to be made

It makes me sad that this thread has more replies to it than 70% of most Judy Garland related threads.

Especially after the OP insulted us.

I’m so sad the old boards at IMDb were scrubbed. I remember once we came up with new lyrics, I’LL PLANT MY OWN POT. I can only remember a fragment of it : (

[italic]My pot will offer ease when strangers go by / If you’re a stoner, brother, well let’s get high!

R93 Have you lived your whole life in a concrete hell?

You buy a seedling or sapling from a garden center. They don't weigh a lot.

Don’t get me started on the IMDb boards.

Fine, remove the ones about actors, but not the general or individual movie ones.

Was it true that publicist got them to cave?

What I never got was, why wasn’t that guy Raul Doll in “Valley of the Dolls?” He would have been perfect!

[quote]R97 Have you lived your whole life in a concrete hell?

More like a concert hall.

Suzy Parker was from a slightly later era and she was never a secretary--even when she played one in "The Best of Everything".

In a roman à clef it's not necessary to take all the characters from the exact same era.

Yes, I knew about Judy Garland but what I don’t know is who wrote that awful song—was it the Previns, who did the good title song—or as Spotify says, none other than John Williams, who got the movie’s only Oscar nom, for background scoring (and the first of his 54)—or someone else altogether, too embarrassed to take credit?

R103 Andre Previn and Dory Previn.

The Previns wrote "I'll Plant My Own Tree" and Garland wanted some other song to be her big number, perhaps recognizing how awful it was. The theme was cobbled together from material that originally served as interludes and incidental music.

Judy wanted to do On the Acheson, Topeka and the Santa Fe, from The Harvey Girls, but Mark Robson said no.

R104 - I was all set to play Neely, but Andre talked me out if it.

Mia is bitch.

No, OP! No one knew! Thanks for letting us know. We'll be talking about this for years.

[quote]Judy's rendition has a vitality that Hayward's didn't.

[quote]That's because Margaret Whiting sang it.

That was before Margaret Whiting married gay porn star Jack Wrangler.

R109, that joke is played out. Either move along or get fresh material.

Lucie Arnaz wanted to play Neely but Gary talked her out of it.

NEELY O'HARA!!!!!!

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