Harvey Fierstein says Don’t Blame Trump

Fuck off Harv. Your curlers are too tight and it’s affecting your ability to think.

This is half true. Trump is spoon fed policy and doesn't understand a lot of it and doesn't care. But we absolutely CAN blame the President or CEO of an institution that is doing evil things and looks out only for themselves and their cronies.

That’s how I feel, R2. Without Trump, none of this would have happened.

He’s not wrong.

I don't get your point, Harvey.

Everyone, even Harvey, eventually becomes codgers, yelling at the clouds.

He is wrong. Trump is using all the tools handed to him for his own earthy reward—whatever that may be each day he’s still breathing…

earthly*

Trump is a tool and not the driving force. He's right.

He’d fuck over the Heritage groupers in a split second, if that worked for him that day.

He's *not* going to abandon Project 2025, r10. Stephen Miller will see to that.

He is the most transactional human to walk this earth in a very long time. Selfishness incarnate. He is a modern trinity: father, son and holy user.

He’d flick Stephen Miller like dandruff off his shoulder if it were to his advantage.

He can fuck off

Why can’t we blame both?

[quote]if it were to his advantage.

It would not be, r13, and Trump knows that.

Blame trump and everyone who voted for him. Blame his enablers, his sycophants, those who profit of his evil. Blame the billionaires, the gun industry, big oil, religious fanatics, and everyone who is indifferent to democracy. Blame those who don't vote, those who don't educate themselves with facts and knowledge. Blame child rapists, tax cheats, cheats in general, and blame the suckers and the conned.

There are a lot to blame for this unholy mess.

Blame the U.S. from creating safeguards that would keep criminal grifters out of office.

I can and I do r15. And I agree with r17.

I totally agree with Harvey. But, I still blame Trump.

And r18

r18 Exactly.

Yes—let’s blame the US Constitution. No thanks.

I disagree to the extent that the tariff shite is all about him being the BEST dealmaker! Also, there's the paranoid narcissistic "going after enemies" as well.

Harvey says "Don't Blame Trump", then cites the reasons WHY we should blame Trump. It's akin to saying "Don't Blame Reagan" for the AIDS crisis in the 1980s. He was beholden to white evengelical voters, the "Moral Majority" with Jerry Falwell.

We should start a thread about people who are afraid to say anything about the dictator.

People who say nothing.

People who have the most to lose and willingly suck that shitty dirty asshole.

People who would rather buy store brand and drive lavishly, than have a democracy.

I get the point he’s trying to make but it’s kind of like saying blame the fire but not the arsonist. He should rethink his argument.

His writing is terrible, in that post. It’s not in his wheelhouse….

Nice way of describing it r28

I feel like we’re all gonna die.

It’s Trump and Friends Harvey you fat bastard. Drop dead.

Harvey, you’re Fiered!

It seems like there’s no way to stop this train. We all know that the assassination attempts were staged and that Musk may have sabotaged the election results. We know that the Heritage Foundation is laying down a fascist state. But no one, no one can do anything about it? This tells me that some Democratic leaders are complicit too, besides Fetterman. It’s like we the people are powerless. I hate this country now.

The election results were not sabotaged. He won a fair election in 2024.

I think it’s true that Teump is the tool, the wedge of the Heritage Foundation, the Federalist Society, etc.

But we are right to loathe Trump, whose complete lack of morality is enabling this. And when he goes, the right wing center will not hold, no one else has MAGA loyalty with that minority of morons who love him.

Trump is just making Democrats look/sound un-American.

Everything they're protesting that he's doing like closing the border, getting rid of DEI and trans ideology, being tough on crime (which includes ILLEGAL immigrants) is supported by most Americans.

Meanwhile, all of the cities run by Democrats are collapsing because of increased crime, rampant homelessness, and overall civil disorder due to socialist woke policies (New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Seattle, Denver, Portland, Boston, Minneapolis, etc.).

Democrats sure are not making a good case and, in fact, are just driving Americans away.

It will fade without Trump. But many of these are people who had ELVIS shrines and never believed he died, long before they could connect with like-minded nuts.

Dumps is either a clueless tool, or he’s a complicit racist, misogynistic, homophobic asshole who’s only concerned about his own interests. I’m gonna say both are true, because there’s stuff his “handlers” are pushing through him that he’s too stupid to understand the negative consequences of. At the same time, though, it’s his job to understand and he’s basically an idiot. And more specifically, this comes down to who put him in office. And it’s not those who voted for him - it’s those who didn’t care enough to show up to vote.

Harvey Fierstein is canceled. Done. As POTUS, Dump has at least as much responsibility.

Rosie O’Donnell is the top comment agreeing with Harvey.

Politicians are all about saving their own skin. My guess is that they're hoping he'll die, and they can avoid "crossing" him for a revenge primary candidate. However ... in the near future some will realize that embracing him means they'll lose to a Democrat.

I think Harvey has a point. EVERYTHING is part of a reality show. Remember DOGE? One of the original DOGE guys says Musk had little to zero imput in that whole mess. He ran around with a chainsaw and it was over. Remember the Putin Summit...was that 2 years ago or 2 weeks ago. Does it matter. Just another media assault and then zero.

Everything with Trump is just shit hitting the wall to overwhelm the media. The only thing that actually matters to him is the stock market. Absolutely nothing else. Except for kissing his ass. That is also very important.

Anyone who suggests not blaming Trump is a shit like dump himself. Hope Firequeen faces backlash.

Why should Harvey be called out for saying: All Trump cares about is his own glory, wealth and power. It's the absolute truth.

r45, that's absolutely true and it is ALSO true that Dump is overseeing massive damage to the US government, current and much more future harm to citizens, and the dissolution of Democracy.

What exactly did Harvey say that has upset some of you? He's not lying. For Trump, the Presidency is a get out of jail free card and an ATM.

Well, it's not Trump's fault that he's dumb as a box of hair -- is it?

R47 - the Democrats were his get out jail free card. They had 4 years to do something.

TURD deals and even socializes with minorities, gays and women and even trans - as long as they kiss the ring. If you don't, THEN you will be whatever slur or stereotype he thinks you are. The groups deemed "other" by him and his minions who support him are deluded af. Pathetic pick-mes. I want them all to be punished somehow, although that probably won't happen.

How is the National Guard supposed to intimidate voters during an election? Giving voters dirty looks as they enter the voting booth?

Harassing Hispanic-Americans at the polls ?

R37, You are either poorly informed or you are a MAGA troll lying as they all do.

Trump’s policies, including his immigration atrocities, do not have majority support from Americans.

As for blue cities and states being hell holes of crimes — Incorrect! There is 133% more crime in red states and red cities than in blue ones.

Your received wisdom has been received direct from Donald Trump’s ass and is all wrong, so knock it off.

133% more

I read this in Harvey’s voice.

We most certainly can blame Trump. He follows The Heritage Foundation willingly, so Trump is complicit and initiates the loss of our democracy.

Besides, Trump is corrupt and a criminal which has nothing to do with Heritage.

Reagan and George Jr were used like this too. Low brain power.