SHITS FIRED: Shooter at Catholic school in Minneapolis

Run, run, run .........SISTER RITA HAS A GUN!

Damn, sounds serious.

Elect a pope from Chicago, and look what happens

[quote] Run, run, run .........SISTER RITA HAS A GUN!

Run, run, run .........NUN HAS A GUN!

Trump's gonna love this. He'll blame it on "Tampon Tim," then send in the National Guard to end the "horrific crime spree!"

We need Sister Mary Clarence!

We need Sister Mary Elephant!

SHUT UUUUUUUUUUUUUP!

Part of me wonders if this was an act of terrorism

R8 Domestic terrorism, for sure.

Wow this looks like a big, serious one!

If the shooter is a Muslim, all coverage will end before weather and sports.

R11 Are you kidding? It'll be the top story for days! If it's a white dude, coverage will end by midnight.

The first shooting of the school year is here... I'm sure there will be plenty more to come.

R12: What world are you living in? If it’s a white male, the coverage will be 24/7 nonstop.

Ah...Americans and their school shootings. USA! USA!

R14 Not on Fox.

My cousin texted my family as this is his parish and his kids all attended the school but have all moved on.

Just last night, my cousin was out with one of the families who still has kids there. He doesn’t know their status yet.

When the breaking news alert broke into programming, I was hoping it was to say Lumpy was dead.

R18 Every time I see a "breaking news" announcement, I'm hoping that either Trump is dead or he's been arrested again. But more hoping he's dead.

Jesus r17, I'm so sorry. My brother teaches at a nearby Catholic school and is it just me or did it take forever for these news alerts to name the school? That 3 minutes of looking nearly killed me. I hope everyone is okay.

[Quote] Part of me wonders if this was an act of terrorism

Only if the shooter is brown

Where was Jesus?

Americans getting what they keep voting for.

CNN: Up to 20 injuries; 16 children are "receiving treatment."

Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey: "Don't say it's about thoughts and prayers right now ... these children were literally praying."

[quote] 16 children are "receiving treatment.”

So THAT’S what the priests are calling it nowadays.

The shooter shot through church windows. If only the windows had had guns!

Have people not learned that events like this will never end?

Americans must be fine with this shit as it keeps happening and nothing ever changes and they never demand change.

Just avoid travel to the US if you can.

Same old shit, different day.

Shocked, saddened, thoughts and prayers, mental health, video games, the rap music, now is not the time, good guy with a gun, tyranny, rights, big government, tyranny, FREEDUMB!!

Two kids dead.

Big yawn

They don't even need the NRA anymore. This is just part of our culture now.

“This is the wrong time to talk about gun laws!!!!!”

Only two????

Hahahahahahahahahaha

Insanity. Young men in the US need to be locked up and contained until they turn thirty

Now is certainly not a time to talk about the Epstein Files.

MAGAts can shove their thoughts and prayers. These children were sitting in the pews at mass.

[quote] Whom will the priests fuck now???!!!

12 injured. Once they recover the priests will be just fine.

Really, there's something to be said for discretion and subtlety.

I hate to say this but I have become desensitized to these occurrences, which is horrible.

Our founding fathers would have never imagined that the right to bear arms would be used to kill children....

The shooter was trans-identified. It posted the below on YouTube which has since taken it down.

I knew it wasn't a muslim because no one reported the gunman yelling allah snackbar, which muslims always do when massacring infidels and such.

^ Trans??? God help us!

[quote]If it’s a white male

Bet you didn't see that coming.

Allah snackbar, R43? 😅🤣

R43 More social media BS. There's no evidence the shooter was "trans identified." We do know he wasn't a black or brown or Muslim person, so the MAGA crowd is working overtime right now to concoct some kind of "liberal" context to this nutjob's actions.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

[quote]Our founding fathers would have never imagined that the right to bear arms would be used to kill children....

Our founding fathers would have never imagined modern firearms, like semi-automatic rifles. They had muskets back then.

He was a racist, too.

Shooter’s mother worked at the school.

Robin, formerly known as Robert.

Trans.

R52 Give it up, Hortense.

Then Founding Fathers weren’t brain dead idiots who would equate a AK47 with a musket.. Most were atheists or theists who weren’t particularly religious.

I put Fox on for 5 minutes for news about this and some dope was saying Trump really cared about children and the shooter would burn in hell. Problem solved.

Mayor Frey was looking hot as his voice was breaking with emotion. I want to give him a consoling hug.

That shooter has a chin like an ironing board

Turning the gun on himself was probably the only useful contribution this freak ever made to society.

I watched part of his video and this guy hated everybody. Jews, Indians, black people.

R58 Sounds very MAGA to me. No wonder MAGA is trying really hard to make the shooter "trans."

No doubt a MAGAT. Trump and Fox News will do everything to cover it up.

R60 Go away, Hortense. I'm sure there's a Facebook post somewhere about the outrage of Cracker Barrel's logo you'd feel right at home weighing in on.

[quote]No wonder MAGA is trying really hard to make the shooter "trans."

No, he was trans and also a racist.

R63 Bye, Hortense.

From journalist Aaron Rupert

donald has ordered WH flags be flown at half-staff today. Underlying message:

"Have you seen the two, big-assed flagpoles I had installed on my White House lawn?"

[quote]Westman identified as a woman, and court documents show she changed her name to Robin from Robert in 2020.

Poor Aaron (and family). He already subjects himself to the trauma of listening to Trump every day. Hasn't he suffered enough?

R67 Give it up, Hortense.

I was watching MSNBC, and a reporter had their microphone in an 8-year old kid's face, asking the poor kid to describe the shooting.

Jesus Christ, folks. Leave the kids alone. This is lifelong trauma they'll have. We don't need to be exploiting it for ratings.

For Hortense:

Also for Hortense and all the other MAGAts who will blame this shooting not on the fact that any idiot in America can get access to a gun, but instead on the lack of mental health services for individuals:

[quote] No doubt a MAGAT.

In his/her video, they have a gun that has “kill Donald Trump” on it and there is a pride/trans flag sticker with the words “Defend Equality” on it.

Also, he had the phrase “6 million wasn’t enough”, presumably indicating pro-Palestinian support.

Upon identification of the shooter, MSNBC National Law Enforcement/Intelligence correspondent Tom Winter used they/them pronouns and host KT Tur followed suit, stating "... I want to be specific about the pronoun; we don't know if it's his or theirs right now which is why I want to be kinda careful."

Is he is or is she ain't?!

"Jesus Christ, folks. Leave the kids alone. This is lifelong trauma they'll have. We don't need to be exploiting it for ratings."

Yes, we do.

R70 The kid's parents shouldn't have allowed that. I know I wouldn't have.

He's giving milder version of Rocky from "Mask"

Why would an antisemite shoot up a Catholic school?

Nazis are so fucking dumb.

There's always an army of social media MAGAs ready to AI a trans story for any and all shootings as though trans people are so well known to be gun totting kid killers. My MAGA sister was insisting until this year that the Idaho shooter was trans. It's their go to. And we have a fucking clown here posting all the fake shit. It's MAGA. It's ALWAYS MAGA.

We raise our hands up high. We know the end is nigh. We fill our cups. With cum. Everybody run!!!!!!!

BANG BANG BANG!!

r74 you are not the boss of this thread. STFU and sit the fuck down.

R83 Bye, Hortense.

The shooter was trans-identified, r59 and r81.

[quote]FOX 9 sources identified the shooter as Robin Westman. FOX 9 has confirmed Westman’s mother previously worked at Annunciation. The shooter’s mother also applied to change her child’s name from Robert to Robin in Dakota County in 2019, according to court documents obtained by FOX 9. According to the name change filing, Westman identified "as a female and wants her name to reflect that identification."

R85 Bye, Hortense.

The telegraph.com.uk says police are investigating the social media accounts of the shooter. This is all very preliminary.

[quote] Police were said to be investigating whether a series of disturbing videos posted online showing guns and an apparent manifesto were connected to Westman. The 23-year-old changed his name by deed poll in 2019 from Robert to Robin. Social media accounts suggested Westman was transgender.

The telegraph.co.uk writeup.

He should have invested in reconstructive jaw surgery rather than guns and ammo.

[quote][R63] Bye, Hortense.

I'm not any of the other people you've been calling Hortense. If you really think you're talking to the same poster over and over, that's kinda nuts.

Trans people can be racists like anyone else can. It's just one characteristic, it doesn't automatically exempt you from being an asshole.

I'm sure some of you would like to think all trans people are harmless lefty zoomers but that's not how life works.

Can anyone living in or near Minneapolis comment on the story the NY Times posted just two hours ago (that the shooting discussed above was the FOURTH deadly shooting in Minneapolis in just over 24 hours)?

I don’t know Minneapolis well, was there only once quite a while ago, but even in the current climate, this seems unfathomable.

R90 Bye, Hortense.

And to those who fear/suspect that Trumpers will turn this into another anti-trans tirade, you’re right. Just posted by the Times 15 minutes ago:

“According to court records, Robin Westman’s mother, Mary Grace Westman, submitted a petition to change her child’s name in November 2019. A judge granted the petition in January 2020 and wrote in an order making the name change official, “Minor child identifies as a female and wants her name to reflect that identification.” At the time, Robin Westman was 17.”

Is Mary Richards okay?

Yeah the Hortense shit is both not funny and nonsensical. But it's really just a way to change the subject. so we can't talk about how violent troons are and the anti semitism they have also. Keep deflecting, troon. Don't forget to dilate your rot pocket as you seethe here and think of how many ways you can say "bye Hortense".

[Quote] These children were sitting in the pews at mass.

I guess Jesus hates them

[quote] According to court records, Robin Westman’s mother, Mary Grace Westman, submitted a petition to change her child’s name in November 2019. A judge granted the petition in January 2020 and wrote in an order making the name change official, “Minor child identifies as a female and wants her name to reflect that identification.” At the time, Robin Westman was 17.

Above was reported by the NYT

[Quote] There's always an army of social media MAGAs ready to AI a trans story for any and all shootings as though trans people are so well known to be gun totting kid killers.

It changes based on the bogeyman of the year: trans, illegal immigrant, Muslim, Black, etc

R93 But that never happens! Kids are never trooned out or given cross sex hormones. All the sex change clinics that serve minors are being shut down, but how? They never did it in the first place, right?

trump's ameriKKKa

The shooter (red shirt) looks a little bit like Sam Nivola from White Lotus.

Another tranny. Lovely.

The fact that a mother would do that speaks volumes. Nutcases. Is she drugging the child too?

Remember when they started black boxing antidepressants and acne meds for kids due to suicide? Now they’re giving them puberty blockers and hormones like no tomorrow with no longterm effects research. These doctors and parents need to be arrested.

Identifying as trans is a mental health issue, a symptom of deeper issues. This guy and the other trans-identified shooter, Audrey, who also shot up a church school, which she had attended, didn't become crazed shooters because they were trans. They became crazed shooters because they were mentally ill, and identifying as trans was just another aspect of their mental illness.

They desperately are trying to cover these shootings up as lawsuits and parents stopping their kids from being test animals will affect the medical and pharmaceutical industry.

Minneapolis mayor is very cute

Okay, Hortenses, time to nuke this thread!

[quote]Shooter’s mother worked at the school.

Didn't Adam Lanza's mother volunteer at the Sandy Hook school?

I wonder if Chris Colfer would look too old now to play Robin Westman for my forthcoming season of Monster exclusively on Netflix

I trust Tim Walz is not by the phone waiting for a call from Trump.

[quote]Police are now investigating a series of videos believed to have been uploaded by Westman to a YouTube account just hours before the shooting, as the Tampa Free Press reported. The gun magazines seen in the videos were scrawled with handwritten phrases, including “kill Donald Trump” and “for the children.”

5th grader Weston Halsne says friend saved him before getting shot in Minneapolis church shooting

[quote] "I was like two seats away from the stained glass windows so ... the shots were like right next to me," the fifth grader told NBC News after being reunited with his family.

[quote] "The first shot I was like, 'What is that?' I thought it was just something. Then I heard again, I just ran under the pew, and then I covered my head," he said. "My friend Victor like saved me, though, because he laid on top of me, but he got hit."

[quote] Weston said his friend was shot in the back during the shooting, but was not among those killed.

[quote] "He's really brave, and I hope he's good in the hospital," Weston said.

In all seriousness: as soon as I saw the headline, my gut said that the shooter would turn out to be a young trans person. I know most mass shooters aren't trans, but something about this particular case triggered my instinct.

The media shouldn't be interviewing the kids. Ghoulish vultures.

Trump lowered white house flags to half staff specifically thanked the dead shooter for the distraction.

Is this on the news? All I see is Baby Emmanuel.

Can we stop with this “distraction” chatter. This is just standard Trump.

The majority of trans are mentally ill. I’m actually surprised we haven’t seen more trans mass shooters. They’re only 1% of the population, but we’re constantly hearing about trans issues in prisons.

Trump ok’s Forced Reset Triggers just in time for ‘’Back to School’’

R121 Bye, Hortense.

This thread is dripping with MAGA and FAGA

What's FAGA?

R121 Fags who worship Trump.

I’m not so sure the shooter was trans. He had long hair and his name was Robin but it seems like only right wing outlets on Twitter are running with the trans narrative.

Don’t jump to conclusions before all the evidence is out.

Approaching children for statements after tragic events? Horrid “journalism”.

Just got off the phone with my MAGA sister, who said it's not a gun problem; it's a mental health problem. Then I reminded her that all but one Republican in Congress voted to eliminate funding for mental health services in schools. Then she pivoted to, "It's the parents who should be responsible." Then I said it doesn't have to be one or the other. Then she said Catholic schools don't have the funding to have police officers protecting the schools. Then I reminded her that the shooter in Minnesota fired into the school's church from outside on the sidewalk. Then she said she didn't want to talk about it anymore.

MAGA in a nutshell.

"What was it like ducking for cover and seeing a bullet go through your playground pal Braydon's arm? Was it scary? Was there lots of gross blood? I bet you want pizza and ice cream tonight; your mom and dad would probably get you that, right? - after everything you've been through. What's your favorite pizza topping?"

Confirmed. Yet another transgender shooter.

“According to court documents, Westman’s mother applied for a name change when Robert was 17, giving the reason that he identifies as a female and wants her name to reflect that identification.”

Robin Westman was TRANS, which we know is a mental illness.

R127 missing the verified information that he changed his name, with his mother's signature because he was a minor at the time, from Robert to Robin because he identified as female.

Why would the Times identify the suspect as trans and then refer to them as he. I think every single time there’s a white suspect in any mass shooting from now on, we’re going to have a “they’re trans” story connected to it. Seems to be the go to response from right wing news sources, since it distances the perpetrator from MAGA and is invisible so is difficult to disprove. Not saying that this person isn’t trans, maybe they are, maybe they’re not, but I’m definitely gonna need to see these “court documents” that everyone keeps referring to, before I’d believe it. Unusual that we don’t have any social media posts or videos of robin confirming their being trans if they are, since it seems likely that a 21year old would have posted something to that effect if they were trans.

[quote]I’m not so sure the shooter was trans. He had long hair and his name was Robin but it seems like only right wing outlets on Twitter are running with the trans narrative.

I was tuned into my NPR /Public Radio station today around 4:30 as I was driving home, and they identified the shooter as Trans. They backed it up with the mother's court filing to have the name legally changed from 'Robert' to 'Robin'. NPR /Public Radio is as far from a right wing outlet on Twitter as you can get.

He looked like Wendy’s mascot in one his photos

R136 Bye, Hortense

R135 That was nearly 6 years ago. Perhaps it's changed. No stable identity.

[quote] I’m not so sure the shooter was trans.

It was confirmed in court documents. The mother changed his name to a female one because the child identifies as female.

Have we not moved on yet?

MAGA TRASH ALERT MAGA TRASH ALERT MAGA TRASH ALERT. Have these documents been reviewed and made public? Have they been confirmed by this court that granted said sex change? Has the mother given an official statement? How exactly was this confirmed and deemed gospel. I'm watching news now and there's no mention.

R139, are you suggesting that being trans is not a stable identity and is just a phase kids grow out of? It's unfortunate then that his mother signed a legal document when he was a minor, attesting on his behalf that he identified as female. I wonder if he was able to use the girls' bathrooms at school. It being Minnesota, he probably did. Must have been an unpleasant experience for the girls.

If being trans as an adolescent is not a stable identity, then perhaps kids shouldn't be given "gender-affirming" medical treatments.

R142 Here you go:

“Driver's license information reviewed by ABC News describes Westman as a female, born on June 17, 2002.”

I am surprised, based on the pictures r144. That is a rather masculine jawline.

R139 yes maybe, who knows. There’s any number of possibilities such that a random commenter on dl saying “they’re trans” doesn’t hold much water on it.

It seems to me if someone was trans, and they had transitioned and changed their name in 2017, there would be some documented information since then of their being trans, or there would be some photos in the meantime of the person outwardly displaying as trans, for instance wearing clothing that is feminine or makeup etc. but we haven’t seen that here.

Have these “court documents” been published yet? How are these reporters getting their hands on it, if it’s not available for republication in print, I don’t understand.

Only in America would people obsess to the shooter’s access to bathrooms while ignoring their access to guns.

R145, why are you surprised that a man who claims to be a woman actually looks like a man. All transwomen are men. Fewer of them are bothering to "transition" these days and are just going around in all their physically male glory and being legally recognised as women just because they say they're women.

I think his mother pushed him out of her rectum. What a mug.

R147 = Troon

r148 I'm so confused -- I thought s/he was FtM. Clearly, I have not been following this story closely enough.

Disregard my comment.

R147, only a man would trivialise the fact that a murderous male psychopath was able to be legally recognised as a woman just because he said he was a woman, giving him access to women's bathrooms and changing rooms.

Honey, get the smelling salts.

His mother worked at the school, the family had about eight kids, so they were probably Catholic, perhaps he had even been a student at the school himself.

I've watched snippets of his videos. He was a very sick person. Perhaps if when he was a minor his identifying as female had been recognised as a mental health issue and he'd been given appropriate therapy - instead of having his "gender identity" affirmed - then today's events would never have happened.

The FBI director has stated that the FBI is investigating the crime.

[quote]“Driver's license information reviewed by ABC News describes Westman as a female, born on June 17, 2002.”

I asked Google and this was the reply:

"In Minnesota, you can choose an "M" for male, "F" for female, or "X" for non-binary on your driver's license or ID card without needing any medical or legal documentation; simply indicate your chosen gender marker on the application. This change, which allows for self-designation of gender, was implemented in 2018 to be more inclusive of transgender and gender-nonconforming individuals."

R135, A Trans women is still a He, despite what "she" looks like.

Yep, another Chick With a Dick.

R157 your random biased opinion isn’t what’s relevant here. Standard media practice is to use the persons chosen pronouns, so it’s odd for the publication to say “he is a trans woman” does that make sense in your almond brain? That’s why it read as odd to me, that’s what I was drawing attention to.

R159 It’s a fairly common practice in news media when a trans person commits a heinous crime. The reporting either ties itself in knots trying to avoid using any gender-based pronouns at all or engages in misgendering to obscure the perpetrator’s trans identity.

Did Melania pen a heartfelt letter to the families of the cheeeeldrun ?

R160 god how much time do u spend reviewing media reports about trans criminals. Get a life?

Thank goodness he got that “lifesaving” gender affirming care when he was a minor. Look how many lives were saved.

Transgender identity should be an automatic disqualifier for gun ownership. None of these people are mentally stable.

Okay looks like the shooter is trans or at least once identified as trans at one time.

No one has any comments on the cute (and possibly gay?) principal of the school who's speaking on camera to everyone with a microphone ? His name is Matt DeBoer. No link

Glad to see you have your priorities in order, R166.

Can you imagine the media referring to Westman with his "chosen pronouns" of she/her? I'm not sure that would do the trans cause much good.

R167 Who said I prioritized this ?

I was joking, R169. There's always someone who posts about a cute guy on a thread about a horrendous incident. It's a DL tradition.

I'm starting to think that pumping kids full of cross-sex hormones, telling them that everyone who doesn't believe they've literally changed sex must hate them, and warning them that there's an upcoming genocide against them wasn't a very sensible idea.

[quote] I'm not sure that would do the trans cause much good.

It’s safe to say that today has been bad for the trans cause all the way around.

R171 was this person on hormone therapy?

How many mass shooters have been trans, rr171? How many have been straight white men?

He / she looked exactly like their mother - no denying that was her child.

^ r171

Former Repug congressman Trey Gowdy has gone off the reservation -- while hosting for Fox News, no less:

I’ve watched multiple videos of this little fucking psychopath.

Did not look trans, AT ALL.

All characteristics, all the way from facial features, body type & voice were 100% MALE, so fuck off with the troon & trans bullshit!

He was a sick, twisted little fuck who had not even one single toe positioned in the realm of reality, & thought he was some Batman themed, modern Joker who wanted to go out with a bang.

He was a psychopath An ALL MALE PRESENTING PSYCHOPATH.

I love how Svetlana and Vlad keep the trans thing front and center..hormones, pronouns, trans blah blag blah. No mention the gun admiration, fascination with school shootings and shooters and the other racially charged shit the police are going through. We see you trans pushers.

R178, transwomen are male. And this all-male presenting psychopath was allowed to change his name because he identified as female, to have an F on his driver's license, to be legally recognised as female and to enter women's bathrooms and changing rooms.

Still capture from the video Westman uploaded to YouTube today. Nice earrings.

Who gives a shit r180? Who gives a shit at all?

You're right, r182, no one gives a shit about women's safety.

I think these inconvenient details are more related to the case than the trans obsession Gertrude can't let go of.

R179, it's been mentioned several times that he was a mentally ill sick fuck and identifying as trans was part of that. Yet, because it's not possible to question the mental health of people who identify as trans, his obvious mental health issues were probably overlooked.

He also had a "progress" flag sticker and had written "Kill Trump" on one of his weapons.

Except women remained safe from Robin. Transwomen in bathrooms didn’t kill these kids.

Lol r184, in what way is it an "inconvenient fact" that a mass shooter was obsessed with mass shooters?

Sarcasm. It's inconvenient for the trans freaks because they want it be about trans instead of guns, shootings, gun laws and the wild west we live in. Do keep up

[quote] His name is Matt DeBoer. No link

No link? You posted one.

The principal needs some manscaping before I can judge him fairly.

Good Lord. It's possible to know two common-sense things at once: a) this person was trans, and b) there are many on the right who would like to exploit this for political purposes.

But it makes no sense to insist he wasn't trans. There are actually posters on Reddit who are saying "this is no excuse to misgender her" and "don't deadname her."

[quote]"I don't want to dress girly all the time but I guess sometimes I really like it. I know I am not a woman but I definitely don't feel like a man … I really like my outfit," the 23-year-old, who identifies as a transgender woman, wrote in a hate-filled manifesto that was written mostly in Cyrillic — and translated by The Post — and seen in twisted videos posted online.

[quote][bold]"I look pretty, smart and modest. I think I want to wear something like this for my shooting,"[/bold] Westman wrote. "I hate my face. I hate when I can see it. I don't want to be seen."

[quote]r191 = There are actually posters on Reddit who are saying "this is no excuse to misgender her" and "don't deadname her."

It's...Reddit.

R185 Here’s the sticker you mentioned next to the shooter’s notebook. Certain pro-trans rhetoric encourages and condones violence. Probably not the best message for unstable people like Robin Westman.

[quote] "I look pretty, smart and modest. I think I want to wear something like this for my shooting," Westman wrote.

I'm a pretty child murderer, Momma!

That's a sexy transexual, we can scissor.

If you’re a tranny defending equality, them shoot Republicans in Congress, not children.

r196 is also:

*U Guyz*

[quote]I tried so hard... But I fell off. Meth fell out of my coochie. Your girl Lil' Teatwat is back!

u are the smartest, babe. Cockies for u.

I think this guy is the next trans to go off, though he'll shoot up a restaurant. He seems to have daily problems with wait staff and restaurant managers.

R210 “I wanted my steak well done!” “yessir” “What did you say?”

The Plantation Owners do not care if Poor MAGA kills a gazillion children, Just fewer people to apply for SNAP.

The Religious Right is a Corporate Business that eats cash. They are all about the cash.

In the Next Republic, if a "church" has a stock portfolio, if it does not distribute its receipts to the poor, homeless and hungry, they get CAPITAL taxed. We see you Mormon Church and your 50 billion dollar capitalization. Not a religion, but a religious business.

I hope they went to Confession before Mass.

[QUOTE]wrote in a hate-filled manifesto that was written mostly in Cyrillic

Ok, which language based on the Cyrillic alphabet? Bulgarian, right? Why isn't the Post "revealing" that he wrote it in Russian? Why the fuck is he keeping a diary/writing a manifesto in Russian. I'd say 75% of the Post readership doesn't know WTF Cyrillic is.

I tried to talk to her about styling and accessories..

The Serbian alphabet is Cyrillic.

I have Cyrillic nails.

r207, Салон красоты "Sally Hansen" с идеальным накладным маникюром?

Да, r208.

He’s also MAGA, apparently

R210 He's not. He wrote "Kill Trump" on one of his guns.

R210 Behold.

I think r210 is trying to be sarcastic.

His nihilism and hatred certainly are MAGAt-certified .

God what an ugly fucking troon. He looked like Rocky Dennis. And kudos to his mom for allowing him to troon out and not getting him any help. As long as his ugly troon friends hassle people about pronouns, and don't condemn this shit, more people will see how fucking insane they are. People are getting peaked everyday. Many TERFs were born today, Amen! Run to JK Rowling, and don't look back. Another gay boy turned into a twisted mockery of neither male nor female. The troons certainly hate gays. They must hate kids too, no one is saying this guy was a piece of shit.

Free NYT article.

She/her pronouns.

Perhaps if Mother Superior had only allowed Robin to join the convent this wouldn't have happened.

R204, from what I understand, the manifesto wasn't written in Russian or a foreign language, it was written in English using the Cyrillic alphabet.

Disgusting, r216. The funny thing is they think they're being "respectful" to the trans, but by using she/her pronouns for this obviously male and obviously mentally ill killer, they're only revealing the degeneracy of the trans ideology.

How come we know every detail about this asshole, but nothing about so many of these other assholes who open fire on innocents? I doubt Alex Jones will be screaming false flag about this one. But will probably say trans people shouldn't be allowed to have guns. This is the first mass shooting I've heard right wingers call for any kind of gun control. It all seems a little pat right now.

From the NYT article.

[quote]Ms. Westman, 23, lived in a three-story brick building in a complex in Richfield, a suburb just south of the church. She worked at a local cannabis dispensary for several months earlier this year.

At some point they're going to have to acknowledge that the sections on pronouns and forms of address in their style guides aren't really functional when it comes to the trans.

We know more about this one than the one who "injured Trump's ear"

R220, we know about this asshole because he left his manifesto behind, some videos and documented evidence that he was legally recognised as a woman.

There should be strict gun control for everyone, but especially for mentally ill people, as Westman clearly was.

Another detail we know about this killer is that he believed he was dying of cancer due to vaping.

r215, comparing this loser's appearance to Rocky Dennis is an insult to Rocky Dennis.

R220 Because troons are attention whores, they post a million times a day on social media since they don't, you know, work or anything. Other shooters are probably scrubbing their sm presence. But you can see this dude wanted people to know and to read every idiotic, grammatically incorrect word he wrote.

Be careful r226. You could be mistaken for someone from Kiwi Farms. You seriously do not want that

Can someone define what a troon is for me, please ? Never heard this word before until this thread. Thanks !

Trans goon. Apparently.

R228…

R228 it's a derogatory term fro trans, apparently coined by the people at Kiwi Farms. People here might be using it with some degree of innocence but its origins are quite sinister.

R230, why do they claim it signifies hate against LGB people?

🤷🏼^^

I've heard people on this forum accuse others of having posted on Kiwi Farms. I wondered what that was. Now I'm hoping people making those accusations were just kidding. Sounds pretty dark and evil (and not in a funny way).

R232 - my hot take is there’s a sentiment from LGB folks (mostly G) that trans people are setting the house on fire, so to speak. If they can’t have nice things, then no one can. I don’t know if that’s true, but that’s my tl;dr version.

I'd never noticed it mentioned here r234. I have seen accusations on Twitter a few years ago.

[quote] I don’t know if that’s true, but that’s my tl;dr version.

You're way too hard on yourself.

R236 I've definitely seen it a couple of times on DL. Someone was accusing one of our lesbians. I had no idea what it was, but it definitely didn't sound like he was complimenting her. I've encountered it a few times, but wouldn't say it was frequent.

Thanks for acknowledging that R237. It means a lot coming from someone on DL.

[quote]Sounds pretty dark and evil (and not in a funny way).

Please, Kiwi Farms is DL for people who buy their earrings and caftans with Bitcoin.

Oh geez r230’s link quotes Alejandra Caraballo the trans activist that posts ham fisted and inaccurate would salad/vomit on social media. The same one that got slapped down by Nancy mace at a congressional hearing.

[quote]This is the first mass shooting I've heard right wingers call for any kind of gun control. It all seems a little pat right now.

I think what finally moved the needle for some right-wingers is that this happened to white kids during Mass. They didn't budge on gun control the last time there was a trans shooter (who also targeted kids), nor were they moved by the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting or the racist Charleston church shooting. But this hits closer to home for them and they're rattled that the spirit of Jesus wasn't armed and didn't step in to protect kids like theirs.

Alejandro Caraballo is a nasty, angry, misogynistic man.

As expected, Westman had been a student at Annunciation Catholic school.

[quote]they're rattled that the spirit of Jesus wasn't armed and didn't step in to protect kids like theirs.

I hope you're right and this finally makes a difference. But after rich white first-graders were massacred at Sandy Hook and nothing happened, it's easy to be skeptical.

MARY!

Another example of why LGB needs to decouple from the alphabet clown train.

R242, do you think it was mostly the Catholic contingent? I know it doesn't have to be but I wonder how the possible hate-crime designation fits into this small change.

[quote]But after rich white first-graders were massacred at Sandy Hook and nothing happened, it's easy to be skeptical.

I share your skepticism that this will be what finally breaks the dam, but it's weaker now than it was before and usually it's impervious to damage.

[quote][R242], do you think it was mostly the Catholic contingent? I know it doesn't have to be but I wonder how the possible hate-crime designation fits into this small change.

Trey Gowdy's reaction made me wonder if he's Catholic, but he was apparently raised Baptist and calls himself "a committed Christian."

R234 The trans love to vilify Kiwi Farms because it has allowed uncensored discussion of transgenderism for years and has also exposed prominent trans activists as career scammers or sexual predators (Brianna Wu, Chris Chan, Keffals).

It has evolved from a place devoted to documenting internet kooks and crazies to a huge forum where people of all political affiliations gather to discuss almost any topic you can imagine. Contrary to its reputation as a platform for harassment, the Farms has a strict ethos of not “touching the poo” or A-logging, i.e., interacting with the individuals it documents.

In many ways, Kiwi Farms reminds me of the DataLounge or Reddit back in the days when it was still a beacon of free speech. I visit occasionally when I want unvarnished information on important news stories with a minimum of political spin. Just be warned: it is not a place for people who are easily offended. Bring your asbestos eyeballs if you want to browse the forum.

To clarify what r250 posted, one doesn't have to be trans or a trans supporter to have issues with Kiwi Farms.

Kiwifarms ≠ DataLounge

[quote]I've heard people on this forum accuse others of having posted on Kiwi Farms. I wondered what that was. Now I'm hoping people making those accusations were just kidding. Sounds pretty dark and evil (and not in a funny way).

Kiwi Farms keep a running list of the trans people they've harassed into suicide. They're quite proud of it.

Just to give you a sense of what kind of subhuman life forms they attract.

I lose respect for anyone who defends Kiwifarms, including rescuechick.

I think Kiwifarms attracts sadists.

And as R250 so clearly shows, DL is most definitely infested with Kiwi Farms cockroaches.

“Protect the dolls!”

“Oh, you mean innocent schoolchildren?”

“No, I mean their shooter!”

I just saw a Reddit post that said being terminally online is a common trait for mass shooters, and I agree. These youngsters are hanging out in spaces we've never even heard of.

I popped in out of curiosity and didn’t see any kind of list. The only person I remembered who was claimed to have taken their life because of kiwi farms was Chloe Sagal, a trans woman who had recently been busted scamming people out of money with fake go fund me campaigns.

May not have liked Trump but part of the Manifesto and the person filming mentioned a republican state senator they backed that lost a primary and the hatred of different other minority groups points to maybe not MAGA but partly MAGA adjacent.

This is what happens when you keep screaming that there’s a trans genocide.

R258 That’s because there is no such list. Trans rights hardliners like R253 have become accustomed to making outrageous claims and accusations confident in the knowledge that no one will call them on their bullshit.

Now that their immunity from any criticism is finally beginning to fade, they are fast becoming increasingly unhinged.

Maybe Kiwi Farms shouldn't have participated in doxing and identity theft. Has DL ever been investigated by the FBI?

Now I will be accused of being a trans activist and be FFd.

Are you suggesting that Kiwi Farms harassed Robin Westman to suicide, r253?

No R263, those fucking kids did! Fuck them, and fuck jews!

That's quite a leap r263

Thank you for letting us know who, and what, you are.

We might as well stop arguing about his political affiliation, gender identity, motive, etc. He did this because he's 1. an asshole and 2. batshit crazy. His reasons won't make sense to those of us with normal brains, present company (generously) included.

Then again, it's human nature to try to make sense out of madness, so carry on I guess.

Agree r266. I'd add access to firearms.

"I doubt Alex Jones will be screaming false flag about this one"

Probably not.

So a thread about dead children has devolved into an open sewer thread about THE TRANZ.

Staying away from this one.

[quote]As expected, Westman had been a student at Annunciation Catholic school.

And it was reported his mother was employed there while he was a student, which means he either went for free or got a deep discount on his tuition (this is true with most private schools if a parent works there - free or discount). Then when he 'graduated' from the school, his mother most likely left her job. Didn't need it for his tuition any more.

I learned two new things from this thread thus far:

Troons

Kiwi Farms

Never knew anything about these before this thread. DL at it's very best ! Thanks everyone.

Exactly r269. Some people have to make it all about who they hate, nevermind the actual victims.

272 replies in and no one has mentioned the amusing typo in the thread title?

It's become a tradition Kitty

If only the shooter threw shit…

Some of us await the president for that performance art.

Tonight's CBS Evening News was heartbreaking, as they shoved the camera and microphone in the faces of children (and I blame the parents of these kids for allowing this!). They actually asked one little girl who has a bullet fragment lodged in her head because it's too dangerous to remove, if it hurt when the bullet grazed her head. Were they expecting her to say it tickled ?

If she has a bullet fragment lodged in her head, r277, it did more than graze her.

‘’We must stop the kneeling- I mean killing-Off with their heads-Send in the troops’’

Shooter hated her/him self. Dead-Good.

R278 Just repeating what they reported.

[quote] So a thread about dead children

Re-read the thread title. This is a thread about the shooter.

[quote]So a thread about dead children has devolved into an open sewer thread about THE TRANZ.

The children are dead because of A TRANZ who shot them.

[quote]So a thread about dead children has devolved into an open sewer thread about THE TRANZ.

Nice try, Troon.

[quote]Some people have to make it all about who they hate, nevermind the actual victims.

Oh, dear.

[quote] which means he either went for free or got a deep discount on his tuition (this is true with most private schools if a parent works there - free or discount).

I make stuff up and present it as fact!

I dare you to dox me r284. You'll commit suicide before I will you hateful crimimal.

Time for you Kiwi Farmers to get more hail time.

Wow! Kiwi Farms sounds just lovely. I tried posting the Washington Post article footnoted on Wikipedia, but DL wouldn't let it post. Looks like a lot of what's said on this particular Wikipedia page is well documented by other sources.

Try going against their various agendas. No free speech there no matter what the flying monkeys they send to DL try to proclaim.

Gee R288 I wonder who wrote that wiki entry? No one “leaked” nude photos of keffals. He has a website where he was making fart fetish porn. Keffals scammed people out of $$$ claiming he had to move out of the country. He ended up spending it all on drugs and he was dropped from trans victim/sainthood.

and kiwi farm perpetrated identity theft

R290 Gee, I don't know. The following came largely from an article the Washington Post; "Their targets are often subject to organized group trolling and stalking, as well as doxing and real-life harassment. Kiwi Farms has been tied to the suicides of three people who were victims of harassment by the website."

"Kiwi Farms users engage in long-term and particularly violent harassment: insults, hacking, threats, swatting (calling the police under false pretenses to send law enforcement to the victim's home)... The forum claims to have led to the suicide of at least three of its designated victims."

Love how some are trying to distract from the fact that the mentality ill killer identified as trans - which gave him the right to go into women's spaces - by going on about Kiwi Farms. The only possible connection that Kiwi Farms could have to this case is if the mentally ill trans killer was a consumer of it, but we don't yet know exactly what he visited online.

They don't hack, threaten, or swat anyone. In fact, that chick who did fox rescue was bullied into suicide by anti kiwi farms people. But yeah, keep trying to deflect from the mentally ill man and his cheerleaders who don't give a fuck that kids are being sacrificed to this cult, in more ways than one.

Of course you'd see it that way r294 as your only interest in this incident is from the perspective of a hate group. If there wasn't trans involvement you wouldn't be bothered. Same for r295. Victims be damned unless there is a trans perpetrator.

That's right, R296. Datalounge has never been anti-school shootings until this one.

Datalounge as a whole has always been interested in school shootings for a variety of reasons. It is only you who sees this from the singular perspective of "another reason to hate trans"

You have more in common with the motivations of the deranged trans mass murderer than with other dataloungers. You wouldn't even be discussing it if hadn't been a trans shooter and the rest of us would be here without you as a distraction.

Robin Westman’s uncle has made a public statement about his nephew’s involvement in the Annunciation Catholic school shooting.

“He was my nephew, and I wish he had shot me instead of innocent schoolchildren,” says Bob Heleringer. Heleringer is a pro-transgender former Kentucky state representative and a staunch opponent of banning gender-affirming care for minor children.

Well, you know what they say, Bob. If wishes were horses…

Why is he calling the guy a he and not his preferred pronouns if he's so pro tranny? Interesting how they are able to revert when they do something wrong.

The shorter amassed a huge arsenal, including semiautomatics, without anyone blinking an eye.

THAT, not his trans status, is the real issue here

Did Jesus hate these kids? They were praying to him when they were shot at.

Can’t anyone see this specific story and realize what bullshit religion is?

[quote] The shooter amassed a huge arsenal, including semiautomatics, without anyone blinking an eye.

Also, too, posted online threats for a month how he was going to shoot up a school.

Good to know the FBI, DHS etc. are much to busy hunting down brown people to keep an eye on shit like this.

R302 Don't you know? He works in mysterious ways and it's not up to us to question. He was "calling" them home, praise Jesus 👏.

R301, that a mentally ill man was permitted to buy all these weapons and also be legally recognised as a woman are both very concerning. I wonder if he showed his driver's license, on which he is documented as a female, when purchasing his weapons.

The father of one of the children killed speaks at a news conference.

R292 written by Taylor Lorenz and her primary source was Keffals a trans woman and grifter. I don’t see them making fun of random people or someone that has little to no online presence.

R303 I agree.

Trans radicals have been stalking, harassing and doxing people for years now, free from any repercussions. Women, in particular, have been subject to extremely graphic death and rape threats.

It’s about time law enforcement starts giving them the attention they deserve. Accountability should be inclusive too.

Hahaha, let me get this straight

So we’re supposed to believe that the shooter was a trans woman even though he clearly had the appearance of a cisgender men who clearly had not done anything to transition himself?

Also, boring and totally unsurprising that the permanently DEPLORABLE and retarded trolls of DL and the ugly, unfuckable, fetid pussy terfs who plague this place and are 100% unwelcome would start spreading the rightwing fiction that the shooter was trans WHILE IGNORING that, trans or not, the shooter was an Anti-immigrant, Hitler loving, Anti-semitic, kkk admirer racist white REPUBLICAN.

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“The shooter is trans” is the new right-wing mantra, their bots already start spreading that lie even before they know who the shooter is, if you guys have a decent memory you will remember that they also tried to male the same claim about that disturbed teenage girl, who was 15, and caused a mass shooting last November after Dump won.

Also, why do we know more about this shooter who was anonymous until 3 or 4 days ago than we know about the boy who supposedly shot Trump last year? Any answers to that?

We seem to have quite a few triggered TERFs here based on the response to R309.

Eat something sweet, doll. You'll feel better.

“Based on the response to [R309]“?

What do you mean? As R310, you ARE the response R309.

Eh, the faithful and gullible Catholics are probably already praying to those child martyrs for miracles, and sooner or later, they'll be proclaimed saints.

[quote]I dare you to dox me

TF are you yapping about? You need to cut back on the synthetic hormones, hon.

R311, he’s a Troon. Mentally ill. Heshe is talking to itself.

[quote]THAT, not his trans status, is the real issue here

Trans status = mental illness

There’s the problem. He should have been denied over that alone.

R316 LOL! I’m stealing that!

This nutter's craziness, whatever it's gender might have been, transcends anything to do with gender identity, racism, antisemitism, anti-Trump, anti-Zionism and pro-Palestine. He/She or Them/They was all over the place with all of the aforementioned. Gender identity seems like the minor issue here. This person was simply bat-shit crazy.

r306 That made me cry. Fletcher's Dad is a strong man, even still in shock. My heart breaks for him and his family, friends and anyone else who loved his nice little son.

If Americans had to go through the few hoops to obtain firearms as we do here in Canada - background checks, certification - those two children would still be with us.

Do they know how he got the firearms? It certainly would be outrageous if he was able to purchase them legally. I figured he might have stolen them which is a little harder to control (unless ability to own guns for everyone is eliminated or severely restricted). Has anything about how he gained access been reported?

One article is quoting his father saying that he had recently broken up with a "significant other" with no indication of gender. If that person turns out to be male, we're looking at one of those "crazy gays that shouldn't have access to guns."

Here you go, R312. The perfect addition to your fall wardrobe.

He hated Catholics too!