New tales of Ellen being an absolute CUNT
[quote]The most damaging new claim alleges a high-ranking producer was urged to reschedule a major operation their child was having, to better suit the star during the frantic festive season. 'The kid had a major surgery - like a bone marrow transplant,' the Daily Mail's source said. 'It was asked of this particular person if the kid's "thing" - that's what they referred to it as - was the same week as the Christmas holiday week.
[quote]'There was a PA who couldn't move his golf cart fast enough because he was blocking Ellen - trying to get out of the way - on the campus, Ellen was in her car,' the former staffer said. 'That guy was fired three days later - he worked on a different show. This was after a taping as she was leaving.'
Also: why Ellen hated Gordon Ramsay, no one could talk to Portia (especially men), and how Ellen burned through NINE stage managers in just one season.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 116 | August 30, 2025 3:50 PM
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Finally. I'm so tired of all these celebrities being bashed for being rude yet there's only like one instance or anecdote and it's never even anything all that terrible.
by Anonymous | reply 1 | August 26, 2025 11:40 PM
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When I was the backstage manager of a northern California arts center (90s, early 2000), she couldn't have been a nicer guest.
by Anonymous | reply 3 | August 26, 2025 11:58 PM
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Money and power changes people.
by Anonymous | reply 4 | August 27, 2025 12:37 AM
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Eventually, who you are always shows on your face. Ellen couldn’t be a better example of this.
by Anonymous | reply 5 | August 27, 2025 12:44 AM
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"Doesn't your fucking brat KNOW that its 'thing' is right in the middle of Ellen's Mirthful Month of Holiday Spirit Giveaways, GODDAMMIT?"
by Anonymous | reply 6 | August 27, 2025 1:07 AM
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If you watch her early talk show episodes and compare them to later ones, you can see a change in her demeanour. She definitely hardened as a person, or else became less effective at hiding it. Perhaps a bit of both.
by Anonymous | reply 7 | August 27, 2025 1:30 AM
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In other news, water is wet.
News at 11!
by Anonymous | reply 9 | August 27, 2025 1:54 AM
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Of course she hates men. She was molested by her stepfather and she’s a dyke.
by Anonymous | reply 10 | August 27, 2025 1:58 AM
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I hope more dirt from her sitcom days emerges. Kathy Griffin can’t be the only one with stories.
by Anonymous | reply 12 | August 27, 2025 4:35 AM
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I so don’t care how Ellen is personally. She will never been my friend, only my entertainer.
I expect people who are running a show to be kind of mean. One wrong move, and everyone loses their jobs.
by Anonymous | reply 13 | August 27, 2025 5:27 AM
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Oh well, the cancelling seems to have worked out well for her. She's of retirement age; time to stop and smell the flowers.
by Anonymous | reply 14 | August 27, 2025 5:45 AM
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I’m not really feeling badly for her as she nurses her canceling at her multimillion euro horse farm in the storybook Cotswolds.
by Anonymous | reply 15 | August 27, 2025 1:26 PM
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But r15, if she’s miserable to others, she’s miserable herself. And often, all the money in the world won’t change that.
by Anonymous | reply 16 | August 27, 2025 1:29 PM
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I don't care if someone is mean to other people. Other people aren't real to me.
I expect if someone is wealthy and famous and has a hit TV show, they have the right to abuse other people however they like. Like I said, they aren't real to me. Only I am real.
by Anonymous | reply 17 | August 27, 2025 1:37 PM
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She must really know how to eat pussy, though!
by Anonymous | reply 18 | August 27, 2025 2:30 PM
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Well, Scissor me timbers!
by Anonymous | reply 19 | August 27, 2025 3:09 PM
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R13 It's a professional environment and there's no excuse for treating workers that way. It isn't just about being mean, it's a years long pattern of crossing professional boundaries.
by Anonymous | reply 20 | August 27, 2025 3:13 PM
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I can smell her nappy pussy….
by Anonymous | reply 21 | August 27, 2025 3:36 PM
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I used to work in the entertainment industry and, believe me, it is chock full of assholes and cunts
by Anonymous | reply 22 | August 27, 2025 4:35 PM
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I still dislike Rosie O’Lesbo more than Ellen Degenerate.
by Anonymous | reply 23 | August 27, 2025 4:45 PM
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Let's all be kind to one another....
by Anonymous | reply 24 | August 27, 2025 4:46 PM
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Scissor Me Timbors is a great title
by Anonymous | reply 25 | August 27, 2025 4:50 PM
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She always looks uncomfortable in photos with Porsha. Like she knows she looks like shit standing next to her.
by Anonymous | reply 26 | August 27, 2025 4:53 PM
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It's her style. R26. That and the rumored alcoholism takes its toll.
This is probably the best she's ever looked. Even if she kept the makeup and hair but was in a better tailored suit, she would have looked aces.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 27 | August 27, 2025 5:13 PM
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[quote]She hates everyone, [R10].
Except her best friend the war criminal.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 28 | August 27, 2025 5:18 PM
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R28- That MONKEY she is sitting next to is a TOTAL simpleton.
Vice President Cheney is THE war criminal who should be serving multiple life terms in prison.
by Anonymous | reply 29 | August 27, 2025 5:22 PM
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I wonder if the locals in the UK like her. She might be an okay person to deal with as long as she has zero power over you.
by Anonymous | reply 30 | August 27, 2025 5:23 PM
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[quote]I wonder if the locals in the UK like her.
NOPE.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 31 | August 27, 2025 5:28 PM
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Fake-ass! Don't you hate it when celebrities act so caring and kind in public while being a raging narcissist behind closed doors?
by Anonymous | reply 32 | August 27, 2025 5:32 PM
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I somehow missed this scandal.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 33 | August 27, 2025 5:39 PM
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It appears that Ellen has the same mental disorder that Leona Helmsley had.
by Anonymous | reply 34 | August 27, 2025 5:42 PM
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[quote] It appears that Ellen has the same mental disorder that Leona Helmsley had.
For a second, I got Leona confused with Lorena Bobbit but then I realized Ellen would only have her own dick to cut off.
by Anonymous | reply 35 | August 27, 2025 6:38 PM
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R27 Johnny Walker Bleck Eyes.
by Anonymous | reply 36 | August 27, 2025 7:26 PM
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A former writer on the show comes out and calls her a CUNT.
[quote]Greg Fitzsimmons, a comedian, writer and actor, was on the show from the very beginning as a joke writer. For a while, he was even responsible for being the warm-up guy before the show. In a recent interview on the We Might Be Drunk podcast he reminisced about his experience on the show. He didn’t have glowing reviews. “Yeah, I did the first two years on that show,” Fitzsimmons recalled. “And she was rough. She was the c-word.”
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 37 | August 27, 2025 8:01 PM
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I get hating people but it sounds like she’s just needlessly cruel and exploiting people who work under her.
by Anonymous | reply 38 | August 28, 2025 1:12 AM
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I love how it's years later, the show is long over and Ellen is out of the spotlight, and these stories are [italic]still[/italic] coming out.
I had a nasty boss decades ago who I still sometimes think about. I'll still flash back to something they said or did back then. I guess it's a lot like that.
by Anonymous | reply 39 | August 28, 2025 1:33 AM
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It's almost quaint how social media has basically killed all the "magic" of the entertainment industry. That's just not possible anymore. I remember sooooo many suburban women in the 00s loving Ellen because she was "so nice and funny".
by Anonymous | reply 40 | August 28, 2025 1:45 AM
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Oprah is in phase 2 of her latest yo yo diet and doesn't do stairs.
by Anonymous | reply 42 | August 28, 2025 1:51 AM
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[Quote] I expect if someone is wealthy and famous and has a hit TV show, they have the right to abuse other people however they like. Like I said, they aren't real to me. Only I am real.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 43 | August 28, 2025 1:57 AM
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The PTSD comes out in stages.
by Anonymous | reply 44 | August 28, 2025 1:58 AM
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Seems like more than a few here are unaware that employees working with celebrities like Ellen are made to sign non-disclosure agreements that state they are prohibited from sharing any of their experiences.
Thankfully, a lot of them are now realizing those are agreements are bullshit and are going public with the harassment and abuse they suffered under.
by Anonymous | reply 45 | August 28, 2025 2:01 AM
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[quote]It's almost quaint how social media has basically killed all the "magic" of the entertainment industry.
Ellen destroyed her own career by being a miserable bitch.
True sweethearts like Doris Day, Betty White, Dinah Shore, Ann Margret, Dolly Parton to name a few never had to go out of their way to tag themselves with any kind of labels or announce how kind and wonderful they were. They just were/are good human beings.
Most celebrities who are tagged with "Nice" or "Sweetheart" are often the worst people to work for. (Julia, Rosie, Ellen)
by Anonymous | reply 46 | August 28, 2025 2:05 AM
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I have a friend who irked for Ellen and has horror stories (can’t be more specific). She’s a monster.
by Anonymous | reply 47 | August 28, 2025 2:08 AM
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This just proves that there is no such thing as Karma. Trump, Putin, Bush (both), Oprah, Gayle, Faye Dunaway, et. all, proves you can be as big of a cunt that you want to forever, and nothing bad happens to you. Who DIDN'T know Ellen was a cunt? That's been old news forever.
by Anonymous | reply 48 | August 28, 2025 2:28 AM
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That reminds me, R47.
I have a friend who was walking through people's backyards in Boulder, CO, one Christmas night years ago and what he saw through a window and told me about was so horrible I have been in therapy for ever since (can't be more specific).
by Anonymous | reply 49 | August 28, 2025 2:29 AM
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Ellens a cunt. No need to read any new examples.
by Anonymous | reply 50 | August 28, 2025 2:36 AM
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Her wife's name is Amanda Lee Rogers. She made up the other name when she was 15.
by Anonymous | reply 52 | August 28, 2025 2:59 AM
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R46 Don’t forget James Corden!
by Anonymous | reply 53 | August 28, 2025 3:43 AM
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R47 Your friend irked for Ellen? She's so horrible she has to get others to do some of her irking for her?
by Anonymous | reply 54 | August 28, 2025 4:39 AM
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Back in the 2000s I knew a woman who worked on Ellen's talk show. She told me stories about what a cunt Ellen was. Years later when other people who worked for Ellen posted their stories on social media, they were identical to the ones this woman told me.
by Anonymous | reply 55 | August 28, 2025 9:58 AM
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I think Ellen’s had or maybe has a drinking issue. I don’t think she’s as much of a monster as we hear, but can she be cruel? I have no doubt. Is she an absolute classist with little interest in everyday people and only sees other famous and ultra wealthy people as her equals? For sure. Martha Stewart is the same way if not worse, but she doesn’t get half the flack that Ellen does.
by Anonymous | reply 56 | August 28, 2025 11:22 AM
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FFS, R56. So, the multitude of examples that have come out are lies or exaggerations?
by Anonymous | reply 57 | August 28, 2025 11:39 AM
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R46, so true. This is why I am always wary of men on apps who have "be kind" or "I am a nice guy" on their profile; it's a red flag.
by Anonymous | reply 58 | August 28, 2025 12:16 PM
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R56, please try to find another word than "classist" to describe a low-end non-entertainer harridan who treats her servants improperly and belittles the very people on whom she needs to rely.
We deal squarely with our own, and are kindly impartial to those not of our class. That is what "class" means in another of its definitions.
by Anonymous | reply 59 | August 28, 2025 12:16 PM
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Didn't she try to have a waitress fired because her nail polish was chipped?
by Anonymous | reply 60 | August 28, 2025 12:23 PM
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Yes R60, she had a waitress fired over a chipped nail. She also had an underling from another show that filmed at the same studio fired because he was too slow moving his golf cart when she was trying to exit in her car. She actually tracked him down to find out where he worked and called that show and demanded that he be fired. He was fired 3 days later. They never told him why but he knew.
She's evil. If you cross her path and dare to slip up she'll track you down and destroy you. This billionaire "comedian" who has the utter gall to tell everyone to "be kind," goes on the warpath against waitresses and lowly production assistants.
Pure evil.
by Anonymous | reply 61 | August 28, 2025 2:28 PM
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There are very few things that DL will excuse and support more than a Mean Drunk.
Maybe it's because there are more of them among the ranks than they care to admit.
by Anonymous | reply 62 | August 28, 2025 2:30 PM
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Why didn't anyone ever tell her to fuck off?
by Anonymous | reply 63 | August 28, 2025 2:42 PM
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Being a cunt is bad enough, but cultivating an image as a kind person, and making “kindness” into your main message is some sick shit.
by Anonymous | reply 64 | August 28, 2025 3:05 PM
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I don't think she cares everyone knows she's a cunt. I used to think maybe she did. I'd love her money but I'm fine knowing I'm a friendly, well-liked person. I don't understand how miserable people like this live with themselves.
by Anonymous | reply 65 | August 28, 2025 3:20 PM
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R56, alcohol brings out who people really are.
Mean drunk? Mean person.
Nice drunk? Nice person.
by Anonymous | reply 66 | August 28, 2025 3:31 PM
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In vino vertas or something
by Anonymous | reply 67 | August 28, 2025 3:49 PM
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[quote] Trump, Putin, Bush (both), Oprah, Gayle, Faye Dunaway
All the same level of evil.
by Anonymous | reply 68 | August 28, 2025 4:12 PM
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I don't have any sympathy for anyone who worked for Ellen as some big exec. I'm sure he was making enough money that he was willing to reschedule his kid's skin graft or whatever. If he wasn't, he should have quit. It's easy to come forward now and say this, and I'm sure Ellen is a flaming twat, but this dude didn't go all Norma Rae or anything, and he knew she was even harder on the little peoplet there. She probably is an alcoholic and a terror, but I wouldn't fucking work for her to begin with. I remember years ago the Steve Harvey thing came out, about how he had a rule not to talk to him in the hallways and I think we on DL didn't think it was too bad, but many people did. I would be stoked if my boss had a rule I was never to talk to them. It makes my life easier not having to make phony conversation. You work in Hollywood with raging narcissistic people. Ellen's an egomaniac with an inferiority complex, like every drunk and actor.
by Anonymous | reply 69 | August 28, 2025 4:28 PM
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R28 At least I don't claim to be besties with Lyle fucking Menendez, the guy who shotgunned his mom and then reloaded, all for money.
by Anonymous | reply 70 | August 28, 2025 4:29 PM
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Ellen ain't no billionaire, sweetie.
by Anonymous | reply 71 | August 28, 2025 4:30 PM
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Why did Twitch commit suicide?
by Anonymous | reply 72 | August 28, 2025 4:37 PM
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I have a feeling that she's only mean to people when she has power over them, r63. That's how most bullies operate. I doubt she's mean to some random person she sees in the Waitrose parking because they'd just say "fuck off you old slag".
by Anonymous | reply 73 | August 28, 2025 5:22 PM
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r73 there are numerous stories of Ellen being a cunt to service people.
by Anonymous | reply 74 | August 28, 2025 5:23 PM
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Yeah she has power over them, r74
by Anonymous | reply 75 | August 28, 2025 5:28 PM
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Running tally of horrible celebrity lesbians: Ellen, Rosie, and Jillian Michaels.
by Anonymous | reply 76 | August 28, 2025 5:42 PM
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How about the closeted ones in the Trump administration?
by Anonymous | reply 77 | August 28, 2025 5:51 PM
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Saw an interview this morning with Margaret Cho. She had been the opening act for Ellen several times in the 80s, but when she did her talk show, Ellen acted like they’d never met. Also, David Bowie was the first guest that episode, and told a story about how much he loved Margaret and had seen her the night before in an outfit he’d loved—and Ellen had the whole bit cut out of the episode that aired.
by Anonymous | reply 78 | August 28, 2025 5:56 PM
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Did Mandy become anorexic to cope with Ellen’s alcoholism?
by Anonymous | reply 79 | August 28, 2025 5:57 PM
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I don't give the partners of vile celebrities a free pass. No sympathy from me, they have the money to get away. Water seeks its own level. Whoever is with these wealthy celebrity assholes is no better. Whatever Portia's nastiness is she just delivers it in a different or more covert manner than Ellen.
by Anonymous | reply 80 | August 28, 2025 6:02 PM
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I heard she killed Vince Foster
by Anonymous | reply 81 | August 28, 2025 6:09 PM
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Y'know - I believe most of this.
As dismissive as we can be, Kathy Griffin talked about how mean Ellen was 20 years ago. You can have your views on Kathy - but she's pretty honest overall.
It's a shame because I feel like both Rosie and Ellen have been taken down and being a lesbian may be a part of that. Of course - the media also loves to rip into women in general as well.
But I hate that a famous gay celebrity was so awful - it just feeds into homophobic bullshit.
by Anonymous | reply 82 | August 28, 2025 6:23 PM
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Ellen bullying an 11 year old fat kid, as a 20 year old, is the cherry on top of this messy cake. What a C U N T!
by Anonymous | reply 83 | August 28, 2025 6:34 PM
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R82, Rosie at least went toe to toe with Trump and she gets my full respect for that. But Ellen? No thanks.
by Anonymous | reply 84 | August 28, 2025 6:37 PM
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[quote] and Ellen had the whole bit cut out of the episode that aired.
That is extremely cunty.
by Anonymous | reply 85 | August 28, 2025 6:37 PM
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At the time deGeneres' talk show was garnering a lot of attention, my lesbian neighbors followed and enjoyed the show. But it wasn't but a few months later that they turned wary of her. The reason: DeGeneres joked too often and too hard about drinking and drunkenness. She would, they said, go out of her way to chase that line of humor despite, more often than not, falling flat for having pushed too hard. They even showed me a couple of examples from their daily recordings of the show and made, I thought, quite a convincing argument. When they explained and then showed me a couple examples, i began to see her in other contexts doing the same and it all made sense. And fit with a sort of humor that drew upon a cruel streak.
When the stories began to pour forth, they were no surprise
by Anonymous | reply 86 | August 28, 2025 6:39 PM
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[quote] I expect if someone is wealthy and famous and has a hit TV show, they have the right to abuse other people however they like. Like I said, they aren't real to me. Only I am real.
Is this satire? If not, you should immediately schedule an MRI or fMRI to determine which Cluster B personality disorder you have and then stay the fuck away from normal, well-adjusted human beings for the remainder of your evil, miserable existence,
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 87 | August 28, 2025 6:41 PM
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R87 has no sense of humor.
by Anonymous | reply 88 | August 28, 2025 7:46 PM
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I feel bad for Portia. Being in a relationship with a narcissist or a dark triad personality is a true hell, one which is often inescapable as my mom learned - or didn't learn, unfortunately.
by Anonymous | reply 89 | August 28, 2025 7:52 PM
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R86, huh? Ellen joked too much about drinking so your lesbian neighbors soured on her? I don't quite follow.
by Anonymous | reply 90 | August 28, 2025 7:57 PM
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R89, tell me about it. But my victim got lucky....
by Anonymous | reply 91 | August 28, 2025 7:59 PM
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I don't feel bad for Portia, r89. If Ellen was mean to her in private, she would divorced her and taken a big payout years ago.
by Anonymous | reply 92 | August 28, 2025 9:18 PM
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Speaking of TV lesbians and alcohol does anyone remember in the early days of our dear friend Rachel Maddow she would actually mix her favorite drinks on a segment of her early shows and share them with guests? Maybe I dreamed that?
by Anonymous | reply 94 | August 28, 2025 11:12 PM
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[quote]Running tally of horrible celebrity lesbians: Ellen, Rosie, and Jillian Michaels.
Honestly, Rosie comes across pretty good these days compared to the other two.
by Anonymous | reply 95 | August 29, 2025 3:40 AM
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Yeah, I don’t like that Rosie is a Menendez supporter, but I like a lot of other things about her, primarily how she goes after Cheeturd.
by Anonymous | reply 96 | August 29, 2025 3:46 AM
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Rosie has a personality disorder. She needs therapy (a lot more of it) and medication. No, she probably still wouldn't be someone you liked, but she's not evil.
Ellen is evil. Jillian is evil. They enjoy inflicting pain on people while pretending to be a force for good. If that's not evil O don't know what is, that description could apply to Trump and a lot of other really bad folks in history.
But that kind of evil-masquerading-as-good goes far beyond being a lousy parent or having a weird take on a criminal case or just being a rude bitch sometimes. Rosie's a lot to take and has her faults but she's far from evil. She's speaking out against Trump while Ellen silently counts her money and smugly hides her obvious MAGA tendencies. Wouldn't be shocked at all if she voted for him. Remember how chummy she was with George W? While Jillian is openly and proudly MAGA. I'm sorry, Rosie just doesn't come close to their awfulness.
by Anonymous | reply 97 | August 29, 2025 4:15 AM
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Of all her sitcom co-stars, I’m a little surprised Jeremy Piven hasn’t made any comments. He seemed to be the one who least enjoyed his experience on her show.
by Anonymous | reply 98 | August 29, 2025 4:55 AM
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[quote] I feel bad for Portia.
Why? She’s the most successful prostitute in Hollywood.
by Anonymous | reply 99 | August 29, 2025 4:56 AM
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Trumps a cunt. No need to read any new examples.
by Anonymous | reply 100 | August 29, 2025 1:28 PM
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[quote] Speaking of TV lesbians and alcohol does anyone remember in the early days of our dear friend Rachel Maddow she would actually mix her favorite drinks on a segment of her early shows and share them with guests? Maybe I dreamed that?
As I recall it was at the end of the Friday show as she was signing off for the week. And not shared with guests, but didn’t she have some kind of sidekick?
by Anonymous | reply 101 | August 29, 2025 4:55 PM
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Why does Ellen have a toddler’s haircut?
by Anonymous | reply 102 | August 29, 2025 5:43 PM
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R87, you're the one who needs an MRI to determine the cause of your complete inability to detect satire, sarcasm or subtlety. Are you brain damaged?
My post at R17 is a parody of the one at R13. That's why I signed it the way I did. That's also why I made it so absurd. I figured most people could recognize the obvious parody. Guess not?
What's hilarious is that multiple people took the time to call out my over-the-top parody that's clearly dripping with absurdities, but zoomed right past R13's sincere expression of complete apathy for anyone Ellen ever harmed.
Lots of high-horse riders on DL without a fucking clue.
by Anonymous | reply 103 | August 29, 2025 8:15 PM
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I started disliking her after she came out on her sitcom. It did not have to be the crux of every episode. Ellen was not the first lesbian but wow, you'd think it. Even Elton John complained about this.
As for her being a pain in the ass on the talk show, I can see it. I don't think she liked Kate McKinnon doing an impression of her at all. Kate was earnest about being a fan, too.
by Anonymous | reply 104 | August 29, 2025 8:25 PM
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i worked with ellen indirectly, and can confirm, she’s a cunt.
by Anonymous | reply 105 | August 29, 2025 8:37 PM
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When she cut Anne He he's brake line.
by Anonymous | reply 107 | August 29, 2025 10:29 PM
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I'd be happy with a new Ellen cunt story every week. They're always great.
by Anonymous | reply 108 | August 29, 2025 11:55 PM
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It could replace Thank God It's Friday r108. Thank God it's time for another story of Ellen being a cunt!
by Anonymous | reply 109 | August 30, 2025 12:31 AM
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[quote] Even Elton John complained about this.
I can't stand Ellen but Elton John can go fuck himself. He's always quick to defend or do a duet with any celeb accused of being homophobic.
by Anonymous | reply 110 | August 30, 2025 12:34 AM
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My shitty brother Kal-El is such a fucking do-gooder. I HATE him.
by Anonymous | reply 111 | August 30, 2025 1:01 AM
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The snake thing is exactly why I stopped being amused by her. All the mean practical “jokes.” She’s a sadist.
by Anonymous | reply 112 | August 30, 2025 1:41 AM
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Practical jokers at that level, exploiting an actual phobia with an elaborate set up, are psychopaths. It's one thing to slip a whoopie cushion on someone's chair, that's a harmless prank that anyone could fall for. But targeting someone over their expressed fears? Humiliating them publicly? That's some fucked up shit.
What was the game show she hosted briefly? Some sort of obstacle course where people had to avoid large silly props and shooting foam while running through tunnels and leaping over gaps and such? It was years before her final scandal broke but I remember her getting massive criticism for the obvious glee she took when contestants were eliminated in some particularly humiliating way. She would mock them mercilessly for laughs with that dead-eyed look she always has. I just remember a lot of noise on social media about it and then it was cancelled. A rare glimpse behind the curtain back then, and they were right about her all along.
by Anonymous | reply 113 | August 30, 2025 2:49 PM
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The games she had on her daytime show often involved the humiliation of the contestants. Then they made a night time game show that was like a bunch of those games put together.
by Anonymous | reply 114 | August 30, 2025 3:07 PM
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So Ellen fully embraces the cruelty in comedy
by Anonymous | reply 115 | August 30, 2025 3:43 PM
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It's interesting that Dakota Johnson was the only celebrity to call her out on her bullshit directly to her face.
by Anonymous | reply 116 | August 30, 2025 3:50 PM
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