What killed the transgender movement?

Without watching the video, I would have to say it was redefining transgender to include a larger group which sent it into chaos.

Real transgender people still want to be left alone. They are the people who are the real victims.

I met a trans girl. As far as I was concerned she was a girl. My heads too busy to complicated things. But the thing is, being trans was her main topic. I then began to wonder, as a str8 woman, what has she on common with gay people. She should be no more interested in gay bars or causes than any woman. So, b4 we parted, I decided to pretend to be interested, I thought it wud be a nice thing to do. So I asked her if she'd any pics on her phone of her as a boy. Well that is the cardinal sin. I was attacked. So I stopped her histrionics flat out and said; ur gonna have to fight a lot of people who mean u harm; so don't go after those who dont and are accepting, and still learning. I Managed to shut down the hystrionics that were ramping. I meant no harm And I wasn't willing to be burned at the stake....why such lack of tolerance for those who arent up on all the rules? That's why they've ruined their cause. At least the gays use charm.

It doesn’t help that a significant % of them actually are mentally unwell. I know six or seven trans people pretty well and three are not ok in terms of mental health, and I don’t mean transgenderism itself as a symptom. I mean extreme emotional dysregulation, suicidal ideation, crippling anxiety/depression, stuff like that. They’re each in treatment/under care.

Syntax and spelling are not your enemies, R2.

It was Mrs. White with the Surprise Penis in the Ballroom!

R4 That’s an EST-in-training!

Six or seven is not a reliable sample size, r3. Are you stupid?

Most of the trans people I know and work with are not obsessed about being trans. It's the non-binary people that have been a real pain in the ass lately.

Other saucy hits from this "independent" "thinker":

[bold]Why did the elites open America's borders?

[bold]why do people hate Jews? (the uncomfortablel truth)

[bold]why don't Asians commit crimes?

[bold]did the "me too" movement go to far?[/bold]

If I want to the racist white male drunk at the end of the bar feed me his ignorant attempts at thought I'll ask him.

In the meantime, fuck off with the endless trans shitposting.

Sadly, I had to end a 30 year friendship with a friend who was Trans because we got into a big debate over her support for Trump. If you are Trans, how can you not see you are voting against yourself interests? Her excuses was she's not trans, she's just a woman now. But what about other LGBTQ people? Not her problem. Not her issues as she said.

You lost me at: [bold] Without watching the video, .....

Maybe it should be more of a “mind your own business” movement. The only folks who seem to protest this are going maliciously at taking rights.

R10 Her alma mater still uses her deadname on the athletic facilities. Is she okay with that?

People got tired of it

I think Dylan Mulvaney/Bud Light was a turning point.

the T movement’s just begun.

fasten your seatbelts.

Thanks R9 you saved me the effort of having to look any further to confirm my own suspicions about this “independent” “thinker”.

I didn't know it was dead. Mostly because I have my own issues to worry about.

Mental illness killed it.

When they started targeting children. That was third rail and anyone with half a brain knew it.

All that non-binary shit adopted by every bipolar blue-haired cat collecting fatty for miles

I got permanently removed from an LGBTQ+II meeting for asking an NB with a beard why it upset him that his co-workers considered him male. It turns out the reason he looks masculine is because he takes testosterone because he was born female.

Not dilating enough.

Mostly their johns, if I understand the statistics.

Are you saying most Trans prostitutes R 24?

The insistence that there is zero difference between biological and identifying women.

When they started thinking the real world was the same as the internet.

R10 I have friends and family members who support Trump and I could never cut ties or break up with them over it. But I’m a true liberal in the sense that I believe in freedom, not just my ideas.

I HAVE to listen to people who have different views and understand them so I can confirm my own.

The complete over-saturation of Jinx Monsoon's "I'm better than you" attitude is starting to kill something.

That one can lay low for a bit, no?

An out of work actor disguises himself as a woman and finds fame.

"Tootsie" was the egg, Dylan Mulvaney is the chicken.

This is how you roast it.

My husband runs a company that serves the public. He has faced no fewer than four lawsuits from transgender people who claim to be misgendered. This is in NYC, so the law and support systems are on their side and his company usually has to settle. In the latest, the person working at the counter simply told the individual that they had to enter they/them pronouns in a different way in the company system, and that this individual might need to remind them of this they next time they come in. This person filed suit because of that. It’s truly unreal.

“ The transgender movement was killed” = “Trump ended six wars in six months”

[quote]that non-binary shit adopted by every bipolar blue-haired cat collecting fatty

HEY! Leave us out of it!

I feel the UK ruling about only accepting the biological definition of male/female was the death nail. Some protested but most were just past it.

That said, the movement will never truly be dead. What I think is dead is people not directly involved in it having to pretend they give a shit anymore. And good riddance to that.

I think the turning point was when the evangelical christian leadership realized that they couldn't make money off of hatemongering gay people at the same scale they used to. So they looked around for scary people to frighten stupid bigots and hit upon trans people.

This is not an issue that is covered easily, but I found this recent NYTimes podcast (The Protocol) very informative and provided more depth for the discussion. [The link is for a YouTube intro to the podcast.]

“The Protocol” is the story of youth gender medicine — where it came from, who it was meant to help, and what may come next in the legal and political fights over its future.

I think it was two things:

1) They wanted too much too quickly.

2) It seemed like an attack on women and children. When you're changing the language to birthing persons, people not being able to define what a woman is, transgender athletes in women's sports, and saying it's okay to give kids drugs to stifle puberty, you're going to get pushback.

I want trans people to be able to live their lives free from discrimination and fear, but at the same time some things are best achieved by taking baby steps.

I think a lot of Democrats were afraid of being on the wrong side of history and just went all in, instead of taking the temperatures of the electorate.

[quote] The analysis, shared with the Guardian and released on Wednesday, documented thousands of trans youth living in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. The findings counter Donald Trump’s aggressive efforts to deny the existence of trans minors, as his administration removes references to trans people across federal agencies and widely erodes protections and programs for LGBTQ+ communities.

As an eldergay who remembers the cultural shift with films addressing homosexuality -- mostly latent (Reflections in a Golden Eye, The Sergeant, et al.) -- Judy's death, Stonewall, the first Gay Rights parades (not Pride -- that was later), AIDS, and the fight for marriage equality, I have never understood the addition of "T" to our alphabet. Maybe I need to evolve, but to a 100% cis-male who is a Kinsey 6 it never really clicked with me. I'm also old enough to remember that the "T" was for transvestites and even that addition rankled a few people because many gay people did not seek that outlet but we were generally tolerant of those who did.

And the anger, the hair-trigger reaction to being innocently misgendered, and the me-me-me of it is simply exhausting. I'm sorry for those whose struggles are daily occurrences and everyone should be respected.

When it appeared to become a bit of a social contagion hysteria in kids, especially aspie pubescent/pre-pubescent girls. Many liberals, in a desire to be compassionate and (understanding the horrors that were inflicted on gay youth through centuries of bigotry) avoid sins of the past, automatically accepted that every child claiming to be trans was indeed the opposite sex. I think stories of vulnerable youngsters taking puberty blockers and hormones, sometimes undergoing surgeries, stopped many sane adults in their tracks.

I have two loving, progressive female friends whose own teen kids (one a son, one a daughter) decided they were trans, and it greatly shifted their (my adult friends') perspective on the subject.

Watch the video R1. It is very balanced as OP said.

I'd skip the comments though.

The trans movement did themselves in by advocating for puberty blockers and saying it's totally fine for a 7-year old girl to want to be a boy. Go after the children, and the world will go after you.

Gays just wanted to be men sleeping with men. A lot of people might find that disgusting, but it doesn't faze them nearly as much as hearing a transsexual talk about children 'transitioning'.

The funny thing about puberty blockers is you oldies will make fun of trans people for being “a man in a dress” or make comments about wide shoulders, deep voices, big arms, Adams apple etc., and then when trans people are like “we would like to be able to access puberty blockers in our teenage years to make us resemble the opposite sex” or to pass, you guys will also say they shouldn’t be allowed access them. Or the funniest braindead comment of all time “they should wait until they’re adults before using puberty blockers” which I’ve seen on here on more than one occasion 😂

^^^At least it is an adult making a decision and not some confused and lied to teen making profoundly stupid choices.

R43, puberty blockers or no, it will always be a man in a dress.

Good Days / Times on Twitter Sunday — 12 AM Monday — 12 AM Tuesday — 1:30 PM

R43 Nah there are transgender people who pass and transitioned as adults. There’s been passable transgender people since at least the 1950s and 1960s.

To me, what you’re talking about is the crossdressers who now claim they’re transgender.

I’ve never seen anyone attack Carmen Carrera who transitioned as an adult and looks like a chick.

They attack people like Rachel Levine who literally shaved and grew their hair out.

Easy, people got sick of being gaslit into believing that homosexuality and transgenderism were simply two sides of the same coin. It’s not even close. Same-sex attraction is natural and is something that has been observed across many different species. The same is not true for transgender people. I’ve never seen one scientific report about zebras and gorillas lining up for surgery at the gender reassignment clinic. “Gender non-conforming behavior” - if you want to call it that - has indeed been observed across many different species, but this is much more in line with butch lesbians and effeminate gay men than it is with transsexuals. Transgenderism is usually caused by some kind of childhood trauma or being autistic.

Bottom line, people aren’t buying it anymore. My personal opinion on the matter is, transgender adults have the right to live their lives however they want, and they deserve to be treated with respect, but let’s stop pretending that pumping yourself full of cross sex hormones and chopping your dick off is normal and simply a natural variation of human existence.

R14 nailed it.

We're over it.

Sam Brinton. Dylan Mulvaney. Caitlin Jenner. Elliot Page.

R46 I never said there weren’t trans people that pass having transitioned as adults. What I’m saying is it’s generally much easier to pass if you have access to puberty blockers. This is undeniable.

[quote]Many liberals, in a desire to be compassionate and (understanding the horrors that were inflicted on gay youth through centuries of bigotry) avoid sins of the past, automatically accepted that every child claiming to be trans was indeed the opposite sex.

I do think some well-meaning liberals see "trans" as Super Duper Gay or something similar.

The way he presents “facts” makes it clear he is not the neutral, objective analyst he pretends to be.

[quote] We're over it.

Then why post non stop about it?

@51. Yup. Many see it as Gay 2.0. They look at the example of, say, wonderful adults who took in gay kids who had been beaten and kicked out of their homes by hateful parents in the 60s and 70s, and they want to be this generation's version of those good people. They see trans kids as the next point on the same continuum.

Same thing that kills everything else in this world. Niggardly hoes. In this case, it was the ultimate niggardly hoe, Marsha P Johnson. She was literally a hoe, and a niggard. She was too cheap to even pay rent, so she lived outdoors.

Telling people “trans women are WOMEN” and real women are “CIS”

This guy was an exec at Fox News.

There are some points that are true - but his objective in all his videos is very clear.

I can't take anything he says seriously.

R55 should be addressed using ‘it’ pronouns.

I watched a few other of his videos after posting R57.

He clearly leans right. He is good at saying why things "aren't" what you think but doesn't give many good explanations on why they "are". He has videos on why Asians commit far fewer crimes than anyone else, why poor people are fatter, etc. but is slim on why that is.

For a Fox News exec, I still think it is pretty balanced, just not comprehensive.

I don't think the trans movement was ever as big as the Republican party made it out to be. it was just another thing they used to try and help them win elections, and for the most part it worked.

I never thought that much about it until they attacked RuPaul for insisting Drag Race was meant for men dressing as women, hiding beards and looking feminine. That seemed accurate to me, but NOOO! And they were so fucking nasty to someone who had done more the community than they could ever hope to do.

R60 Everything is amplified on social media. If you were to believe what you see on TikTok and YouTube, you would believe that the vast majority of liberals are fat, ugly, have green hair, a septum piercing, some weird pronoun, and scream about white privilege all day. This is absolutely not the norm.

I believe it was the whole restroom debacle in North Carolina that started the whole thing to blow up. Today when i see Non Gender restrooms here in LA I am glad that I live here. It’s such a sad, tragic situation.

Trans rights was a fringe concern for years until two specific issues hit mainstream awareness: male athletes in sports for women and girls and sex change for children.

There are many other points of contention around the trans rights movement but even the majority of Democrats can no longer support transing kids or disenfranchising female athletes.

[quote]Nah there are transgender people who pass and transitioned as adults. There’s been passable transgender people since at least the 1950s and 1960s.

Nah. Nobody passes really, they're all quite spookable. How delusional to believe otherwise.

Why should "passing" make anyone more deserving of anything? That's dumb. Gender Dysphoria is a mental condition to be treated and cured, not an identity. That IS the compassionate take on it.

R64 I agree. I think that's exactly it.

Lia Thomas suddenly sweeping swim meets, and being widely celebrated by the media for it, did a lot of damage to this cause.

There was also an increase in lying and misrepresenting reality to try to justify things like child transitions. Harping on any dissent as being the equivalent of genocide, as if someone being told they have to wait until 18 to pursue transitioning meant they would kill themselves, etc. The data isn't there. It seems to show suicide happens about as much with transition as it does without, with a higher mortality rate due to drug use, sex work dangers, and such. Peddling a false narrative doesn't win a lot of support if it can be easily disproven.

I think lumping T with LGB was a mistake because a good chunk of LGB resented it.

R67 and that’s exactly the reason why we laugh at this hoe.

I'm sorry to have laughed at first, but I thought that was Flip Wilson as Geraldine!

I'm sorry for that poor person's violent end.

When people are referring to us as The Alphabet crew ..it means we are unfortunately seen as the one cause. That is very unfair to gay people. All I hear is how we got what we wanted and we're not happy. This Trans, non binary stuff has been very damaging to us. People have fatigue with 'us' now.

[quote]I have friends and family members who support Trump and I could never cut ties or break up with them over it. But I’m a true liberal in the sense that I believe in freedom, not just my ideas.I HAVE to listen to people who have different views and understand them so I can confirm my own.

R28, that's the problem though, I was not the one who ended the friendship. It was my Trans Trump friend that basically said as a women, she sees no reason to support all of that "LGBTQ stuff and then accused me of outing her even though she says everyone knows and no one has a problem with it.

This has nothing to do with being a true liberal.

It got old.

It's not dead. It's still the way to virtue signal. Only gazA has surpassed int in popularity. Nothing else has .

70, I know Bruce Jenner does that a lot. .

Ironically, a brick.

Agree with r51 that a lot of liberals embraced trans because they have always thought gay men really wanted to be women and lesbians really wanted to be men. I’ve had well meaning progressive mothers telling me that they can understand what it must have been like for me to grow up gay because their child is non-binary (a girl with short hair and a hoodie).

[quote]the first Gay Rights parades (not Pride -- that was later)

r39 When they removed the "Gay" from "Pride" is when it all started going downhill. It wasn't about our rights anymore. It became some larger assault on the gender binary. That defied logic.

[quote] It seemed like an attack on women and children.

Seemed like!?

R66 I think you’ve hit on another important point with the trans rights issue. It’s never enjoyed much popular support. From the beginning, it’s been a top-down movement sold to the public as the next big civil rights cause.

A very deliberate strategy of the trans rights lobby has been to get pro-trans policies enacted behind closed doors with a minimum of public scrutiny. Another savvy tactic was to piggyback trans rights onto other civil rights activism like rights for gays, women and minorities.

But when ordinary people really start to give it some thought? Ideas like “sex is a spectrum” don’t hold up to even the most casual scrutiny. Now that the realities of gender identity dogma have entered the national conversation, people are realizing they don’t want to be coerced into pretending humans can change sex or give up their own rights in the name of greater “inclusivity.”

At the root of it all, you simply cannot change the gender you were born.

Hands and feet size, shoulder width, heart and lung capacity, skin thickness (men have about 20% thicker skin), bone density, muscle fibre count.. The list goes on and on.

People can be OK with you wanting to sleep with the same sex, but not with asking them to pretend you magically became the opposite sex.

Maybe many of them just got tired of the ruse.

[quote] At the root of it all, you simply cannot change the gender you were born.

Oh Jesus 🙄

[Quote] What killed the transgender movement?

Yo mamma did

I notices this last Pride that a lot of the flags looked new and went back to the original rainbow and not the stupid progress ad hoc one with all the ugly colors.

That stupid flag is not technically free to use by the way. The graphic designer who created it is trying to make money from it by charging commercial use of it as it's copyrighted. The original one is not.

All you need is nice Amelia Earhart overnight bag!!!

One good thing is that I could now punch Elliot Page in the face for how much I hated Juno and Ellen Page.

I'm not even putting this through archive.ph because the headline and the photo is enough. How, on God's green earth, are functioning, contributing, and sensible gays, lesbians, and bisexuals expected to align with this much less be allies?

I think people got fed up with the gaslighting. From Marsha and Sylvia, to the “it never happens” arguments in relation to youth gender transitions, trans girls in sports, and the prison issue. I checked his stat on trans women prisoners and sex offenses in Wisconsin and it’s 50.3% are in there for sex offenses. The male prison population it’s around 20% and women it’s around 2%.

One thing for me was the overnight invention of the "deadname," and the concept that one can't say, "Elliott Page, the former Ellen Page" without inflicting great trauma.

Gays and lesbians fought hard and bravely for their rights and were called all kinds of derogatory slurs. Yet we're supposed to believe that Stephanie goes into a fugue state when she sees someone reference her birth name as Stephen.

Schools acceding to pupil requests for social transition on campus without informing parents/guardians probably didn’t help.

I think when the powers that be in the LGBTQ community started lecturing gay men that they owe their rights to a couple of cross-dressing junkie prostitutes. Those aren’t exactly the kind of figures that most people want to look up to as heroes. And then somehow, within the past 10 to 15 years, these two cross-dressing junkie prostitutes were retroactively made into transsexuals, even though they’re both long dead.

R91 I’m old enough to remember Stonewall and was in NYC. The police were hassling the street kids and they fought back. Somehow history was rewritten to fit a trans and racial fairy tale. Again, causing incredible resentment.

R91 even if it is true that Marsha P Johnson’s effect on the stonewall riots has been exaggerated beyond what was a reality, there still are a lot of photos of those “cross dressing junkie prostitutes” at lots of different protests, fighting for the rights that people like you enjoy today, and you’re talking about them like that?! Maybe worth considering how the internet is having a negative effect on you personally. I don’t think any of you would be like this if it wasn’t for the meeting of right wing online hate content disguised as normal media (this thread is an example), and your weak brains.

I don't understand the anger at Marsha P. Johnson. He/she/whatever didn't ask for any of this. You're misplacing blame. MPJ would probably be just as baffled as everyone else about this entire gender identity stuff.

The ease of access made it easy for bad actors to exploit for perks.

It’s interesting how many men didn’t decide to transition until being incarcerated.

I don’t believe most of them are truly trans. They just saw the special treatment the group was given and wanted in.

All of which hurts legit trans people.

R94 No one said they were angry with Marsha P just those who seemed intent on inventing a narrative.

[quote][R94] No one said they were angry with Marsha P just those who seemed intent on inventing a narrative.

That pancake flips both ways, bitch.

Not Chase Strangio!

r93 there were lots of post-Stonewall marches and parades. Yes, loud visibility is great, yet hundreds if not thousands of people were all there doing the same thing.

The gay residence/home that Sylvia and Marsha attempted to create was in fact an illegal tenement rented from a local mafia character with no water, heat or electricity where street kids came to fence stolen goods, do drugs and crash. To those who knew it, it operated as more of a "crime academy" more than anything in its very short existence. Not one person was helped, offered food or social services or anything like that. You'll hear people touting this effort, but those are the facts.

R99 in your own comment you said street kids came there to crash. Guessing they had nowhere else to go. Sounds like a social service to me ;)

Out of interest, where did your “facts” come from?

Marsha P Johnson bled to death after her botched bottom surgery.

R56 The contradiction with the term cisgender was always this: the trans movement emphasized the right to self-identify, yet “cis” was a label assigned to everyone else without their consent.

It created a double standard: “Respect my chosen label, but you must accept the label I choose for you.”

What was intended as an equalizing term instead became a flashpoint. For some, it felt like neutral language. For others, it felt like being drafted into someone else’s ideology against their will.

That tension — demanding universal recognition for one identity while imposing a new label on another — is one of the reasons the term provoked such resistance.

You can start here, r100

Pose.

One of the more damaging turns in gender politics was the attempt to re-label gays and lesbians.

Instead of respecting identities people had claimed for decades, some activists pushed terms like “same-sex attracted” — reducing a whole culture and history to sterile clinical language. Even worse, lesbians who set boundaries were branded “genital fetishists,” as if their orientation was just a perversion.

The irony is obvious: a movement built on self-identification tried to overwrite the self-identification of others. Rather than solidarity, it came across as control.

When you demand recognition for your identity while denying others the same right, backlash is inevitable.

[quote]No one said they were angry with Marsha P just those who seemed intent on inventing a narrative.

Such as Dr. Eric Cervini, who prays at his altar to Marsha and Sylvia at night.

What can’t more trans be like Caitlin Jenner.

Could someone repost the original video, which is (perhaps unsurprisingly) greyed out.

R103 that certainly looks like a dude to me.

People don't take it seriously, they think it's a trend.

There have been transsexuals for like 80 years now? Why is it suddenly front page news every day? They used to get hormones and whatever surgery they could afford and just quietly try to assimilate as the opposite sex.

Ooooof R103, how the mighty have fallen eh?! Poor Fred took a turn along the way somewhere.

There are numerous reasons.

1. It was a fad. There are genuinely trans people, but this was a fad, like saying you were bisexual in the early 70s when David Bowie was all over the media.

Bullshit like being non-binary, and making that your whole purpose for being puts people off. There are as many ways to be a man or woman as there are men and women in the world. Being a man a who likes things that society has deemed more female does not make you interesting. Nor does it stop you being a man.

2. It was not about equality. Lesbians and gay men seeking parity with straight people takes nothing away from straight people. Sam sex marriage, despite hysteria, cause no harm to anyone. No one at all. Letting men into women’s spaces does take away from women. That’s not equality, that’s privilege.

3. The movement / activists were too demanding, see 2 above. Everything had to changed to suit them, any innocent so called microaggression was treated like the end of the world. Such as “deadnaming” and “misgendering”.

4. On the same point as 3, claiming there was trans “genocide” when there clearly wasn’t seriously undermined being taking seriously.

5. The bullshit of denying reality and believing that a human being can change its sex. You can change your outside appearance, you can have genital surgery, but your genetics will not change. Best (or worst) epitomized by the “trans women are women” slogan. They’re not. They’re men. They’re trans women. They are not women.

6. Making everything trans all the time. Claiming that “trans women of color” started the Stonewall Riots. And that one should therefore genuflect to all trans women…not sure about the logic there, but trans and logic and not really nodding acquaintances. Said Johnson has himself always said he wasn’t even there when the riot started. But let’s not that get in the way of trying to trigger gay men’s white liberal guilt.

Alok Vaid

"...trans and logic and not really nodding acquaintances."

Starting with the basic one: Biology (sex) and identity (gender) are NOT the sane thing. Only the uneducated conflate or confuse the two.

Then why change your biology with hormones and surgery to "align" with your identity?

I compare it to vegan food being marketed as tasting like meat. It only makes sense to the vegans.

Because they're mentally ill.

[quote] Could someone repost the original video, which is (perhaps unsurprisingly) greyed out.

If you set to asbestos eyes, it shows,

[quote] There have been transsexuals for like 80 years now? Why is it suddenly front page news every day?

1) Trans women competing against bio women in women’s sports 2) Trans women in women’s spaces where bio men are not normally allowed (e.g. restrooms, locker rooms) 3) Militant trans women attempting to publicly humiliate innocent people for misgendering them

If you fix these three things, there won’t be those news stories anymore.

R9- I watched some of his videos. They’re pretty good. I think he’s very thoughtful and I learned a lot. The why are poor people fat one was very interesting.

R82 you can roll your eyes as much as you want, but you know it's true and you have simply no counterargument because there are none to be made.

Lilly Tino and her cake pops.

[quote]There have been transsexuals for like 80 years now? Why is it suddenly front page news every day? They used to get hormones and whatever surgery they could afford

That really didnt happen back then. There were a hand full of cases that were mostly experimental that the Trans movement likes to pretend was a common thing back then but it was not. Ask any retired nurse or doctor from that time period. On top of that as other have mentioned there was not this attempt to make other people conform to their ideology and labels going as far as demanding people start referring to them selves as cisgender.

[quote] Gender Dysphoria is a mental condition to be treated and cured, not an identity. That IS the compassionate take on it.

And what, other than respecting their own sense of self, is the “cure” you envision?

A well-timed face-slap accompanied by “Snap out of it” should do the trick.

[quote]And what, other than respecting their own sense of self, is the “cure” you envision?

Oh I'm sure she would be ok with electrocution or chemical castration or anything violent and cruel. All these anti-trans weirdos are cruel and lack empathy.

No swingin' dicks in the ladies' locker room.

R123 - no one is envious. What is there to be envious of? If you're trans you're stuck on medication for life, no one wants to fuck you (apart from men with a chick-with-a-dick fetish) and they throw dramatic temper tantrums if anyone questions anything at all about what's been going on over the last few years.

Plus we get an attack aimed at white gay men. Probably those same men who you like to guilt trip into trying to believe your myth about Marsha at the Stonewall Riots.

Am I right?

If you are a man, you cannot become a woman any more than you become a dog or a cat. Big Pharma wants to medicalize you for life so they sell this cruel fantasy.

[quote]Am I right?

Right as in a right-winger? Yes. Right as in correct? No.

R128 is correct. Finally a sane gay man.

I don’t see r123. I have no one on ignore. What’s up with that?

Sane? Let's see.

[quote]If you're trans you're stuck on medication for life

Sweetie, gays a very medicated bunch. This is a weak attack. If you're sexually active and at all ethical, you're on PreP. If you're poz (as a lot of us are), you're on daily meds. Same thing if you're on TRT or PED (as a lot of the muscle queens are, especially the older ones). I could go on.

[quote]no one wants to fuck you you'd know all about that

[quote]they throw dramatic temper tantrums if anyone questions anything at all

They do? Who did? Where? when? Did it happen to you? Weak-minded people often confuse what they read online with actual, real experiences.

R130 - you don't anything about my politics.

I'm as left wing as they come, I'm also British where the concept of being left wing actually means something.

Just because I believe in higher taxes for the rich and equality doesn't mean I can't believe that sex is real.

Oh dear R133 - what you've done there is mistake an illness, for which the treatment / prevention is indeed medication and a mental illness (believing you're in the wrong body) for which the treatment should be psychotherapy not medical procedures to 'affirm' your delusion.

Yes it has happened to me. I've sent a male singer a message on Instagram saying how much I loved his voice when he guested at a concert I was at. I was told off my him for not addressing him as 'they' because he was non-binary.

I've known lots of trans people in my life. I used to work on LGBT workplace equality and did so for well over a decade. It's those first hand experiences that made me realise lesbians and gay men have very little in common with trans people. I think I can also count on the fingers of one hand the number of trans people who were well adjusted and didn't have some sort of mental illness going on and I've met hundreds.

[quote]I've sent a male singer a message on Instagram saying how much I loved his voice when he guested at a concert I was at. I was told off my him for not addressing him as 'they'

Yes, I'm sure this totally happened and it's not at all made up by you

R136. Thank you, it did indeed happen. I don't need to make things up to argue with lunatics on line.

Because you see, I live in reality not a fantasy world warped to my "feelings" and needing affirmations. I have more than enough examples from my life. Like all the trans people I've worked with and encountered that you've conveniently ignored. You want examples?

Juno Dawson - one of the rudest people I've ever met. Had no reason to look at like I was shit on her shoe. When a trans colleague I'd helped come out at work stood up for me this Dawson creature just sneered at her. I don't care if she's trans or not, it doesn't give you a free pass to be a rude entitled cunt.

1) demanding people to deny reality because it makes you uncomfortable

2) astroturfing and redefining words that are sex specific to performance, like "woman"

3) next step: invading women's spaces like safe houses and prisons

4) People like Jeffrey Marsh clearly grooming minors

...

I have a 17-year-old godchild who is trans. His parents are extremely supportive of him. As his father told me...whoever he is in his adult years, he will love him and wants a good relationship with him. Through therapy and hormonal treatment, he is a well-adjusted person.

I also agree with R37 and R39. We still are learning what happens in utero as the fetus develops, but the insistence on "preferred pronouns" and related issues raised by R37 and whether "T" is the same struggle as "LGB," as R39 questions, those issues nag at me too.

R130 Labelling someone with whom you disagree about a specific topic as “right wing” is intellectually lazy. You might as well call them a stupidhead.

[quote]Pose.

More like Ryan Murphy.

[quote] I've sent a male singer a message on Instagram saying how much I loved his voice when he guested at a concert I was at. I was told off my him for not addressing him as 'they'

You addressed them in the third person? How odd.

Remember in the 90s when Marilyn Manson needed to be edgier so did this?

Someone on here said it was like the new way of being goth. There's a difference between people who live it fully versus people who trend dabble, looking to make sense of their lives, needing everyone elses attention and help. The latter are exhausting and the former should be left alone and respected.

The real danger to women in prison isn't trans prisoners. Of course it's guards.

The real danger to women in high school and college sports isn't the odd trans athlete, it's their coach.

And of course the people who are demanding we deny reality are the ones who repeat over and over that, when it comes to sex, there are only two choices.

In other words men R144 which trans women are right?

You found a third gamete? Wow dust off your shelf for that Nobel prize!

[quote]The real danger to women in prison isn't trans prisoners.

Yes, dear.

Funny that we never see FTMs demand to be housed with their fellow men. It's always the MTFs. I wonder why that is?

link please r146

Trump.

So you really need a link r146 to see why a 5’2 “man” with a pussy wouldn’t want to be housed in a men’s prison?

No. I need link to validate the point r146 was trying to make. I'm willing to believe it with evidence. Conventional wisdom is no longer reliable.

You don’t think a 5’2 man with a pussy would get raped in a men’s prison R150?

Where did I say that r151? Please supply a link to that as well as the first link I requested. Thank you in advance.

When the Trump administration succeeds in institutionalizing/disappearing trans people, your transphobic gay asses are next.

When the guards are hauling you off to reeudcation camp, remind them that you hated trans people just as much as they did.

Maybe they'll be nicer to you. Maybe they'll give you another piece of bread.

Maybe they won't shoot you right away.

It's worth a shot.

Use your alliance with Christian fascists to your advantage.

Shorter r153...

HISSSSSSS!

[quote]link please

Better than that: why don't YOU show me all the cases where an FTM is demanding to be transferred to a men's prison?

I'm not the one presenting speculation as fact. I would come to the same conclusion but it would only be an opinion. If there is factual evidence I would like to know so I can repeat it as more than what I presume. I've looked and can't find anything. If you know something that can be backed up I would appreciate it.

Sheenis Easton

You can’t find instances where trans men are wanting to be put in a men’s prison….because there aren’t any….and I don’t think you aren’t obtuse or stupid enough not to know why.

Does this look like someone who is happy and living HIS best life? I thought he was supposed to be HAPPY with his "transjoy" and the dresses, and the wigs, and the pretty shoes? Mulvaney deleted the video--and it wasn't the only one. Screenshots

[bold] The Trans Community lost me when NONE of them condemned Dylan Mulvaneys makeup video on World AIDS Day. This behavior is actually worse than Bud Light.[/bold] GLAAD lost me when they didn't condemn this video but they promoted him afterwards. HRC lost me when they didn't condemn this behavior.. GLAAD and HRC are both run by women. Gay men died. They didn't fall asleep and pass away. Some went blind. Some suffered with thrush. Some suffered from Kaposi Sarcoma. Dylan Mulvaneys behavior is beyond insulting. You want to ridicule biological women? Whatever. But AIDS killed people. Lipstick is not a "tribute" to their deaths. Never forget those friends and family we lost.

Any FTM who got transferred to a men's prison would find her "bonus hole" looking like a dropped lasagna in a week.

It's all funny until Karma knocks on your door.

Janet Mock's POSE meltdown killed the movement!

Talking about "protecting" kids with puberty blockers.

More hysteria from R153 - why not throw in genocide too?

Sweetie, masked federal agents are kidnapping people off the streets to be sent to a shadowy foreign gulag. Major institutions are folding before a half-assed effort to inconvenience them. Glorified staffing memos signed by a brain-addled pedophile are being taken as law.

It's not hysteria. It's observation.

"Sweetie" not all of us in the USA. There's a whole world outside it you know.

[quote]What killed the transgender movement?

The transgenders.

For R87.

[quote]"Sweetie" not all of us in the USA.

That's clear. The sheer hysteria of the trans-hating lunatics on the DL reeks of beans and old beer, like most of England does.

Some might say that was a better smell than bullshit and dead school kids massacred in their hundreds. Hmmm...

I'm sure you can figure out a way that trans people are responsible for dead school kids. Hmmmmm

Are they? Maybe that's what killed their movement. Along with all the dozens of other things that have been mentioned "sweetie". Hmmm?

And have you noticed other people on the thread have laid out logical counter arguments without lashing out with racism, misandry or homophobia. I wonder why you've had to resort to them "sweetie"? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

The things that have been mentioned are delusional bullshit. And the use of the word "misandry" is a huge red flag. Seek help, sweetie.

[quote] I wonder why you've had to resort to them "sweetie"?

Maybe that person should be referred to on DL going forward as the Sweetie Troll. His repeated use of it here and other threads gives him away.

GLAAD, in its fury to do the most, actually hurt the trans movement more than most. As we discussed here many times, GLAAD is heavily funded and lobbied by trans activists now. The head of GLAAD is an opportunist and she was eager to take the money to reverse the organizations fortunes, and increase her own. It has majorly backfired.

We, as gay people who started that organization, have every right to be angry about it. They sold us out.

Can we go back to the Gay Liberation Front?

[quote]Can we go back to the Gay Liberation Front?

I'll be damned if I'm going to go by Tanya again.

Nothing Gay Men created is sacred now. Stealing the rainbow flag wasn't enough for them.

Lets go back to calling it the Mattachine Society. The first gay rights group long before Stonewall.

[bold] You WILL be forced to look at our flag and if you don't worship this flag YOU are a BIGOT!! [/bold]Not even national parks aren't safe anymore. This is why they hate us.

"The funny thing about puberty blockers is you oldies will make fun of trans people for being “a man in a dress” or make comments about wide shoulders, deep voices, big arms, Adams apple etc., and then when trans people are like “we would like to be able to access puberty blockers in our teenage years to make us resemble the opposite sex” or to pass, you guys will also say they shouldn’t be allowed access them. Or the funniest braindead comment of all time “they should wait until they’re adults before using puberty blockers” which I’ve seen on here on more than one occasion 😂"

I expect that if made to choose, most Dataloungers would acknowledge that keeping kids off brain and bone stunting anti-growth drugs is more of a priority than facilitating the "passing" of our trans community.

I, for one, could care less if a tranny "passes" or not. I honestly think this is more of an intracommunity concern than anything that the general public cares about. There are full-on traditional, biological women in much of the world who look like transwomen after decades of bad plastic surgery. Of course, there is skepticism about guys who transition abruptly and seem to fetishize women---but that concern would exist even if the dudes did alk of the surgeries, hair removal, etc.

Zipper Tits

[quote] "The funny thing about puberty blockers is you oldies will make fun of trans people for being “a man in a dress” or make comments about wide shoulders, deep voices, big arms, Adams apple etc.

A lot of bio women don’t wear dresses. If I were a woman who looked like a man, I certainly wouldn’t wear one. Appearance is far more important than comfort and what you’d like to wear. If you look like a man in a dress, don’t wear a dress. Be a woman who wears pants and shirts.

[bold] Counting how many 13 year old members you have seems creepy to me. Sorry, but it does...[/bold]It feeds into every predator stereotype the whack-jobs Republican MAGAs have against gays. The Tranz have used the resources of the Gay Community to push their agenda. The WOMEN running those groups are allowing it. Do not give them a dime.

Silly r184! pants are for boys!!

[quote]A transgender woman who lied to a man about being a biological female when she performed sex acts upon him has been found guilty of sexual assault.

Check out this gal with and without her filters. If you have cats or small children you may want to send them out of the room before you shriek.

[quote]Watkin's lawyers said she saw and presented herself as female but was "visibly and audibly" male, so it would have been [bold]"blindingly obvious"[/bold] to the man that Watkin was not biologically female.

Hilarious that her defense is that no one in their right mind would consider her female.

LOL R187, I will say one thing. My theory of crazy dramatic eyebrows on woman are an unintended neon sign of what goes on in the head also applies to that pic. Look how she photoshpped herself.

[Quote] looks like a chick.

Looking like is one thing, but when they speak it’s usually a giveaway.

Dems losing the presidency and Congress were a wake-up call.

A few years ago the party cancelled any man who was remotely “me too”.

Suddenly they told women if they didn’t welcome men into their dressing rooms they’d have blood on their hands.

[quote]I think a lot of Democrats were afraid of being on the wrong side of history and just went all in, instead of taking the temperatures of the electorate.

R37 yes, Democrats have a major complex and guilt for supporting slavery, fighting for the Confederacy in the Civil War, then afterward establishing the Ku Klux Klan and Jim Crow laws. Also, they were against women getting the vote.

The irony is that they're on the wrong side of history once again promoting trans/nonbinary ideology, which goes against biology.

The only time Democrats were on the right side of history was from the 1960s to the 2000s (about 40 years) when they were moderate.

They went from on extreme to the other in less than a century.

R192, agree with the claim that the acquiescence to the dumb trans activist agenda is a problem, but that's a very simplified view of history you have. They didn't go from "one extreme" in the first place because Republicans were never the anti-segregation watchdogs they try to pretend they were; on the contrary, many saw Jim Crow as a litmus test for states' rights way before the Southern strategy was devised. There's nothing inherently progressive about what Trans activists are demanding, except for the bathroom and anti-discrimination stuff. It's all identity politics, demanding that various fields update everything from their vision to their jargon to be "trans-inclusive."

[quote]What killed the transgender movement?

It's not as dead as the dead souls of MAGA nationalism and the moral suicides of intolerant schmucks who confuse unhelpful

[quote]They didn't go from "one extreme" in the first place because Republicans were never the anti-segregation watchdogs they try to pretend they were; on the contrary, many saw Jim Crow as a litmus test for states' rights way before the Southern strategy was devised.

Horse shit. The word "progressive" in the full post helps demonstrate the apologist irrationality behind these propagandistic, reactionary constructs. There is absolutely no difference between the incipient racism of the "South" (read "fascist MAGA states") and the claim of States' Rights that was invented precisely to maintain and expand slavery and to keep segregation a feature of American "democracy."

[quote]There's nothing inherently progressive about what Trans activists are demanding, except for the bathroom and anti-discrimination stuff.

Oh, yes. "Demanding" anti-discrimination "stuff" (debased speech there), AKA "legal equality," is "progressive," therefore "BAD."

Do gay people know so little of our history that they can say these things without remembering the identical issues being foisted on us? Even to the point that legal attempts are being made to protect "States' Rights" to the point of turn back marriage equality.

Trump, and the rightwing radicals holding him up, are a minority that through 40 years has plotted the takeover now being effected, with no end in sight. It is a unified, focused movement to destroy general, federally-assured equality in the name of state voters who want what was wanted in the Civil War.

And trans people are being used for xenophobic fear mongering the same as "gays fuck your babies," "blacks rape your white daughters," and "immigrants are less than human."

How dare transgendered people exist. Oh, wait, according to the uneducated, uninformed, unprofessionals among us they don't really exist, do they?

Lengthy screeds.

[bold] This week in Trans History (not kidding).....[/bold]

"Trans Texans face yet another attempt to ban them from bathrooms." PUBLIC was welcome to attend and share their perspectives and debate. Trans from around the country came to support Trans Texans.

[bold] Meanwhile [/bold] Trans Activist Dylan Mulvaney makes MAJOR announcement : He got a haircut and now has bangs!! Multiple videos talking about his pretty hair!! Such a LEADER!! Such an ACTIVIST!! So fucking SHALLOW!! So self-centered!!

[quote] And trans people are being used for xenophobic fear mongering the same as "gays fuck your babies," "blacks rape your white daughters," and "immigrants are less than human."

NO ONE is doing more harm to Gay Men---than the TRANZ. Every day they give free videos and material to the straights. Vilifying ALL of us.

I have an eleven-year-old relative with whom I spend a lot of time. She’s a theater kid, and every cast she has been in has had multiple trans or non-binary kids, sometimes as many as five or six in a cast of a twenty. She knows my husband and I as gay, which is about as boring to her and her friends as any other straight couple. Yet she has nothing but questions about how this one or that one identifies, and why, and what it all means. It is so hard to have conversations about it all. Any nuance would make her an outcast. In her world, there is no option other than complete conformity to the pronouns mob.

[quote]My husband runs a company that serves the public. He has faced no fewer than four lawsuits from transgender people who claim to be misgendered. This is in NYC, so the law and support systems are on their side and his company usually has to settle. In the latest, the person working at the counter simply told the individual that they had to enter they/them pronouns in a different way in the company system, and that this individual might need to remind them of this they next time they come in. This person filed suit because of that. It’s truly unreal.

[quote]I have an eleven-year-old relative with whom I spend a lot of time. She’s a theater kid, and every cast she has been in has had multiple trans or non-binary kids, sometimes as many as five or six in a cast of a twenty. She knows my husband and I as gay, which is about as boring to her and her friends as any other straight couple. Yet she has nothing but questions about how this one or that one identifies, and why, and what it all means. It is so hard to have conversations about it all. Any nuance would make her an outcast. In her world, there is no option other than complete conformity to the pronouns mob.

Roll your eyes all you want, dipshit at 199. Both stories are true.

Although a lame Lucille Bluth gif is about the level of discourse I expect from trans activists.

[bold]Dear Trans People-----Thank you for all you do to help us. We appreciate it. Keep those social media videos rolling in!! Honestly, we couldn't do it without you!!..........Signed, GOP, Candace, MAGA, Religious Right, Tucker, Texas and Josh. [/bold]

And while you’re at it, R199, also direct an overused gif at my post about GLAAD ruining gay rights. It won’t make that any one less true either.

"Dear Lilly, if you read this, we MISS you. Please go back to Disney! You can go to Epcot, Universal, heck, we'll even be happy if you go to the Orlando Zoo!! Your videos have been so incredibly helpful to everything we have hoped to accomplish..! And you do it for free!! Wow!! Thank you so much!!!!"------------signed, the MAGA Community.

The TQ are cement are like cement shows for gays and lesbians.

But I haven't seen any evidence of the trans movement being dead. Straight white people are still obsessed with supporting it . Porn fiends find trans women hot and women are very sympathetic to their "plight". It's going to keep going forever.

The TQ are cement shoes for gays and lesbians*

Have you guys seen the masses of people that show up to support trans people at protests? It's not over.

Kamala's loss, largely having to do with the GQP slamming swings states with ads about transing kids, pretty much ended it.

Nachos in bed.

[bold]Based on data from the 2024 election cycle, Republicans and their allies spent an estimated $222 million on anti-trans advertisements.

The anti-Trans stuff defiantly killed Kamala's chance as president. There is no way to play this down as insignificant or just a handful of haters. They spent that much money because they knew how Americans would respond to it. They will repeat their strategy again and win again unless the Dems stop with pushing trans issues. If Trans want to be front and center, they should start their own party. I am sure Caitlyn Jenner would be happy to run for president.

Yup, Kamala Harris became associated with transgender. Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson couldn't define woman. Biden had two men in dresses in his Cabinet. I truly believe that confusion and the 50 genders nonsense are responsible for Trump's win though it was really an insignicant issue.

[quote] dipshit at 199.

New here?

[quote]A very deliberate strategy of the trans rights lobby has been to get pro-trans policies enacted behind closed doors with a minimum of public scrutiny. Another savvy tactic was to piggyback trans rights onto other civil rights activism like rights for gays, women and minorities.

They have focus-grouped the hell out of this. There is an official trans media guide that instructs the media on what to report and how, and a guide on how to manipulate the public; people don't realize how deceptive this movement is.

[quote]Have you guys seen the masses of people that show up to support trans people at protests? It's not over.

[quote]a lot of liberals embraced trans because they have always thought gay men really wanted to be women

I think if people knew the vocal, in-your-face transgender women they champion are cross-dressing straight men who identify as lesbians (with no intention of getting bottom surgery because it would defeat the purpose) and not the gay men they assume they are, people would think differently.

From the Good Practices guide linked below:

[quote]7. Tie your campaign to more popular reform

[quote]8. Avoid excessive press coverage and exposure

Hillary Clinton is right. SCOTUS will get rid of gay marriage, just like they did abortion. They will throw it to the states which will be chaos. You're married in California but NOT Ohio, etc etc.And the Tranz did their part to vilify gay men by prancing around women's restrooms. The Tranz don't care because they don't have spouses.

[quote]And the Tranz did their part to vilify gay men by prancing around women's restrooms. The Tranz don't care because they don't have spouses.

Muriel, please do something.

Strange how our "leaders" in the T movement managed to selflessly secure rights for LGB before focusing on their own.

Does no one see how ridiculous this sounds?

[quote]Muriel, please do something.

How about YOU "do something" like block posters you find objectionable rather than try to silence others?

R211, why do you lie? Rachel Levine was the assistant secretary for health, which is not a Cabinet position. Sam Brinton wasn’t even a political appointee and just applied through USAJobs.

Maybe you shouldn’t accuse others of being confused. You don’t even have a rudimentary understanding of government..

Yep Hillary was right on this issue. The problem with it going back to the states is that you will lose ALL federally granted benefits only straight marriages will have. Such as collecting Social Security of the spouse, etc. Didn't the pro gay marriage crowd used to tout about how Federally recognized marriage provides over 1,000 right you cant get just by being married by the state?

Hillary is right about everything, except how to win elections.

[quote]The Tranz don't care because they don't have spouses.

They do have spouses, R214. I don't know what the numbers are, and legally, their marriages aren't at risk, but married men coming out as trans and insisting their wives are now lesbians is increasingly common.

Here is an example of what's killing the "transgender movement"

Isn't that all kind of moot r218? Does the title that R211 claim and your claim really matter to someone on the right that just sees trans as freaks involved in the government telling them what to do? I don't think they care weather they are officially a cabinet member or some other title. They just see it as woke Democrats and a reason to vote against them.

Conservatives gain support in society by exploiting two impulses:

Hate

and

Fear.

Which is why the transphobic hysteria on DL will never ever die.

When gay men in dresses take their DICK to the GIRLS restroom, it "justifies" the MAGAs narrative that WE want to be around their kids in a restroom.. It's not harmless fun. [bold] Tranz aren't winning acceptance with their testicles dangling over a woman's restroom toilet----and they know it. [/bold] This isn't bravery, it's self loathing. No gay man wanted them so this is their payback.

[quote] yes, Democrats have a major complex and guilt for supporting slavery, fighting for the Confederacy in the Civil War, then afterward establishing the Ku Klux Klan and Jim Crow laws. Also, they were against women getting the vote.

No, no actual real life Democrat feels the slightest thing you say Democrats feel. None, not one, none at all. Unfortunately, the Republicans, who are really the neo-Confederate, pro-Jim Crow party don't feel the slightest guilt about it either, because they have been raised in white supremacy and Christian nationalism and embrace it and love it and live it.

Now as to Trans, Democrats do feel sympathy for an abused minority group. Unfortunately, we have indeed gone too far, and bent over backwards to embrace the silliest aspects of the trans rights agenda, instead of sticking to the fundamental right of adult people to transition. If everybody, and that unfortunately includes the crazy trans rights activists online, would stick to that for a a couple of years, trans would probably win that argument. Unfortunately, the loons and the fuckwads will never stick to sanity because they can't. It is very unfortunate, because they really could win the fundamental issue by setting aside the craziest members on the team.

Well, that was genuinely sensible, measured, and fair, R225. You have, therefore, grossly misjudged your audience.

countdown to r225 being called a trans activist...

[quote]why do you lie? Rachel Levine was the assistant secretary for health, which is not a Cabinet position. Sam Brinton wasn’t even a political appointee and just applied through USAJobs.

r211 Lie my arse. 🤣 Someone doesn't understand government. The Department of Health is in the Cabinet. Brinton worked for Office of Nuclear Energy under the Department of Energy, also in the Cabinet.

AIDS Activists. Trans Activists. What a difference.

Last year, I went on a "Rosie the Riveter" women's motorcycle ride. They had snacks, pins, T-shirts, and all the trimmings.

I lined up my bike in formation and ended up riding behind a big, heavy BMW motorcycle, and I was very impressed at the prowess of the woman riding in front of me -- those big Beemers aren't easy to handle!

The ride wasn't very long, and I made a mental note to remember to compliment the Beemer woman on her riding skills. So when all of us were parking our bikes, I went up to the woman, who had long hair and was taking her helmet off, and Lord have mercy, it was a crossdressing man! At this point, it was pretty obvious, and I kicked myself for not noticing from the back when I'd walked up to her.

Anyway, I still complimented this person's riding skills, and I happened to mention that I was a lesbian, expecting to get some kind of related response. Surely this person knows she isn't "passing"! But no -- you know what she said to me? "Don't be embarrassed -- I'm married to a woman." I did not pursue that conversation any further.

Women's ride indeed.

[Written in reference to "straight men keeping their dicks and cross-dressing" above.]

R230 = I can top that. I joined a MEN's FB GROUP a few weeks ago....It's FILLED with Tranz posting their selfie pix. MEN is in the title of the FB group. I dropped out immediately.

R231 I joined a Facebook group a few years ago for “gay men over 40.” There was a tranny posting her transition pic. I mean, good for her, glad she’s happy. But if she identifies as a woman then why is she in a group for gay men?

I can't remember a time when Datalounge has been supportive of trans, not in over two decades. At most DL might be critical of the hatred and compulsive lying directed at the trans community but it has never been a trans space, despite the anti-trans movement to characterize it as such.

To me that means the straight anti-trans interlopers have once again lumped us in with the trans. That makes them ignorant and anti gay.. Their presumption that gay/lesbian = trans and their abuse of a gay/lesbian site makes them unsuitable users of this site.

Let them take their hate and fabrications somewhere else, like a trans site. They are the ones equating gay with trans.

Enough is enough

[bold]I'm sorry. I don't mean to be rude. But the hell we went thru fighting for basic healthcare and survival---while watching our friends and loved ones die--- doesn't compare to the 2025 transvestites "right" to go play make believe in a womans restroom. I'm sorry Tranz don't know history. I'm sorry some of them laugh and smile about AIDS. Don't ask me to fight for you when all you've done is tweet. Don't call yourself an "activist" when you don't go to a single rally. [/bold]

R198 it's true. I have children in the family (still minors) and a couple of years ago this was the exact situation. Children were massively targeted and affected by this ideology. The percentages you give check out.

So "brave."....Called a "He-She"!!....Weird man built like a football player claims womanhood by trying to use the female changing rooms. Apparently, just taking your dick into the women's restrooms isn't enough anymore. [bold] Spoiler Alert [/bold] There were complaints!! And LEAST shocking of all---->>He left the store without buying anything. Of course.

I say screw the outrage of what bathroom is being used. I call BS on that until WOMEN STOP USING MEN'S RESTROOMS BECAUSE THE WOMEN'S RESTROOM IS OVER CROWDED AND THEY FEEL TOTALLY ENTITLED INVADING MEN'S SPACES.

Wait your turn bitches, not my problem. Or let men of all walks of life do the same in your space.

R237 Where is this happening?

Dateline Minneapolis:

What has the transgender movement killed today?

Robin or Robert Westbrook? The new face of the Trans movement.

Is it true Robin posted a video of himself in a womans restroom and it was one of the videos YT pulled after the "incident"?...

[bold]Not a single mention on THEMs website. No comment from Dylan Mulvaney, who posted a video promoting his favorite thing, Dylan Mulvaney.. Of course he was smiling and grinning.

GLAAD and HRC and Pink News all silent. ------------>>> They won't say a bad thing about ANY Tranz person. [/bold]

Wow. This is the nail in the coffin of the tranny movement. This is exactly what people will point at and say, see, they’re all mentally ill.

I do believe “It” is the second trans to shoot up a Catholic school.

He was also antisemitic and wanted to “Free Palestine.” This is a progressive’s news nightmare. The right is going to eat this alive.

R245 you sure sound upset about those dead kids.

[quote]He was also antisemitic and wanted to “Free Palestine.” This is a progressive’s news nightmare. The right is going to eat this alive.

The Left deserves this nightmare for embracing these freaks and silencing everyone who dared question tranny ideology.

Has the shooter's gender/gender identity been confirmed?

Or is this Libs of Tiktok reflexively burping out "TRANS!" at any mass shooting?

R248 ABC News just confirmed it.

I just heard it confirmed on ABC World News Tonight with David Muir.

R248 It was Robert, then Robin.

ACT-UP changed the pink triangle to a slice of watermelon---in support of Palestine?. How wonderful that the Tranz have so many groups in their grasp.

R245 This makes you think politics?

I don't think so, r241. I saw the videos on Twitter, they were recorded in what appears to be his bedroom and he is showing off his weapons and his"manifesto" (mostly English written in Cyrillic) and a letter to his family. Insane ramblings.

Chaya Raichik is masturbating with a loaded AK-15 as we speak.

[bold] ACT-UP [/bold] "Just as ‘Silence = Death’ applies to our fight to end AIDS, so too does it apply to the complicity of genocide against Palestinians,” the organization said.

[bold] ME [/bold] NO!!! That's NOT what Act-Up was created for!! It never was!! Seriously?

School shootings.

R242, the NYT does not feel any need to mention it either. In fact, as of 8PM eastern they don’t say at all if the “attacker” and “assailant” is a man or woman. Read for yourself.

Minnesota has the most trans in the U.S....

I’m sure you’re crying in your Wheaties over this R246.

Tots and pears.

It makes everyone think politics, including you R253.

I was part of Act-Up in the 90s in NYC. They had zero to do with Palestine or anything antisemitic. If they’ve been co-opted by that grotesque far left bullshit, I’m genuinely disgusted.

R261 I don’t think so, Marjorie.

Lmao R262. Act up in the 90s would have been considered (and were effectively) far left. Get a fucking clue Jesus Christ.

[quote]I was part of Act-Up in the 90s in NYC.

Uh-huh. And that's why you're channeling Roy Cohn in your posting history. Makes perfect sense to me.

[bold]Even the Pink Triangle isn't sacred anymore.? Somehow a watermelon is a symbol for ACT-UP? Really? I can't prove it, but I know somewhere there is a Lesbian or Man in a Dress behind this "rebranding". [/bold]

R262 You're right. Ignore the bullies.

They were not and never have been antisemitic, and I don’t give a fuck what you think of my posting history or of my history in NY. I genuinely don’t give a fuck. So fuck off Hamas lovers. You have no idea what Act Up did or did not do. Act Up was started by a Jewish man, you stupid fucks.

R268 you are the young progressive idealist to old conservative crank pipeline laid bare in a short paragraph.

R258, did you read the article you linked to?

[Quote] I was part of Act-Up in the 90s in NYC. They had zero to do with Palestine or anything antisemitic. If they’ve been co-opted by that grotesque far left bullshit, I’m genuinely disgusted.

Only a fascist would consider opposing genocide to be “grotesque” or “antisemitic.”

Act-Up spoke out against oppression of marginalized people, who weee being allowed to die because people didn’t like their sexual orientation. Support for the people of Palestine, who are being allowed to die because of their identity, and the identity of their attackers, is hardly surprising.

You don’t know what genocide means, so I immediately discount anything you have to say. It’s why the majority of the public disagrees with you. Continuing to incorrectly use words that actually mean something like “genocide” is why you’re going to continue to lose on this issue.

Your definition of how Act Up operated has nothing to do with reality, R271.

The far-right will not just go after trans because of this, but will instead go after the entire LGBTQ+ umbrella that we have all been placed underneath, no matter our consent or convictions.

The far right will always find a reason to come after us.

Had we gone a different direction after 2015, R275, they would have very little ability to come after us. When we won marriage, we had the cultural and political capital. Even lifetime bigots were moving on to other things. Without trans, what would they even have to attack now, ten years on? None of the things they used to claim about gay people have come true and everyone knows it.

They would have found something. They don't rely on being rational.

[quote] The far-right will not just go after trans because of this, but will instead go after the entire LGBTQ+ umbrella that we have all been placed underneath

I’d like to hook you to a polygraph to find out if you really believe that or if you copied and pasted it from a queer manifesto.

Maybe, 277. But there’s a good chance they would seem like the irrational ones. It’s really hard to go back to that 2012–2016 mindset, but we were in a great fucking place then. I honestly never dreamt we would get to such a place. We had won, basically. It’s why I have such a deep disdain for the national orgs that fucked it up for us with their boneheaded choices. If you’ve met some of the movement’s current leaders, you will know these are not braintrusts. Their decision to claim defeat from the jaws of victory shows it.

Not sure what you mean, R278. Willing to answer just don’t understand the claim/question.

You won't please the far right as long as you are out. And if we were to return to the closet they would be spending their time ferreting us out.

[Quote] Your definition of how Act Up operated has nothing to do with reality, [R271].

Oh the irony of this statement.

[Quote] You don’t know what genocide means, so I immediately discount anything you have to say.

Oh yes I remember now — genocide only applies to other people committing it, not to you.

And the victims can only be people you like, not people in the way of what you want to steal.

But no one‘s talking about placing the far right, R281. Or at least I’m not. Nothing could be of less concern. My point is that around 2016, we as gay people were, for the first time in American history, able to live with a very diminished fear of what the far right could do to us. I’m not being Pollyanna and pretending that gay people in certain areas didn’t still have a struggle. Of course they did. But by and large, all of our usual adversaries lost all of their ammunition in the political arena. We decidedly won!

Think about the past decade. Even the one thing they have tried to stick on us, the supposed of grooming of children, is mostly related to trans (they don’t typically detach drag queen story hour from the trans movement). All of their claims about what we would do to marriage and the military and the kids we raise proved false. The far right pivoted to trans because our national organizations pivoted to trans. And since we are supposedly all one team, we are all supposed to respond to claims and criticisms that have absolutely nothing to do with being gay and lesbian (and in some cases run counter to our fight).

It felt good, I agree, but it was always tenuous. There was always a fear of republicans taking it all away regardless of what the trans were up to. And then Trump was elected. Trans is low hanging fruit for them but they're coming for us. They'll start eating their own gays soon enough.

Not to beat a dead horse, but they can only “come for us” if they have the purchase to do so. They have to have attack lines that stick, and right before Trump, they had none. They had all lost. It was only the trans movement that gave them an in — and a big one. If that ends up turning on us, it is one million percent the fault of aggressive trans activism.

The thing people should understand is that all of our organizations are staffed with people who have been working in the movement forever. These are well paying, cushy jobs in nice buildings in big cities. They don’t require some of the experience or degrees or deep thinking that other white collar jobs require. Unlike most LGB people, who were eager to stop fighting and move on with our lives, these professional movement types did not want to move on to other jobs. That is a major reason they pivoted to trans. They needed job security.

Not permitting men to enter women's spaces or not giving kids puberty blockers is not right wing nor is it attacking anyone.

Exactly, R288. It’s actually the opposite. We used to argue that clothes and makeup and style do not make one a man or woman. That was the liberal position. If you told a 90s lesbian that putting on a suit made her a man, she would think you worked for the Heritage Foundation.

No but it's an excuse people use r288. They hate us without that. Soon it will be about effeminate gay men who have nothing to do with transex, or weekend drag queen performers in bars, who are aggressive tops in their sex lives. Women with sort hair whoe werar jeans and t shirts. Women mechanics. Male interior decorators, florists, and hairdressers.

[quote]...might be critical of the hatred and compulsive lying directed at the trans community

Merely REPORTING quotes and actions of the Trans Agendists is what you deem "hatred"?

MARY!

Pure Tranny drama masquerading as "activism" and "progress". It ain't! MAGA/GOP doesn't actually "hate" anyone either, they're just weaponizing the best campaign issue of the century, handed to them by delusional activists play-acting as "progressives" in the form of the Gender Identity Movement!

The kooky mayor of Minneapolis couldn't even take the sympathy of those poor murdered kids without throwing in trannies and negating the whole thing! You cannot convince these people that pushing the insane anti-women, anti-gay, anti-child Trans agenda is going to lose every national election if they aren't stopped! I don't think Gavin Newsom is embracing any of their garbage.

Newsom is rightly critical of individuals but I have yet to see him participate in attributing the actions of a few troublemakers to the whole group, like I see here.

People keep parroting that Trump/MAGA is taking away "trans rights", when of course other than refusing to join their delusions and nutty fake vocabulary, trans people have 100% of the rights everyone else retains.

They want special rights to control the opinions of others which they can't have thus the freak outs.

Defending Trump lol?

No, r294, the poster is just stating facts: trans already have exactly the same rights as everyone else but what they really want are special privileges and to force everyone to agree with their subjective delusions.

And defending Trump. It's right there in the post.

Do it without defending Trump and you'll have a more captive audience here.

I'm in no way defending Trump, although your entire existence demands you accuse me of that, I realize.

I'm just marveling at the immaturity of those who are too witless to see how easily the MAGA right has weaponized this ridiculous issue that even a majority of Democrats cringe at. I do not understand how so many gay men and women do not see what a toxic Trojan Horse the Gender Identity Movement is and how by causing Dems to lose elections they imperil our own hard-fought rights.

That's all they got, going on about Trump. Men cannot become women, kids should not be given puberty blockers or operated on to "affirm their gender", men should not be in women's sports, lesbians do not have penises nor should they be obliged to date people with penises, people who identify as trans have mental health issues.

Is there an existing organization that is simply LGB that we can get behind? One that can speak for us and not lump us into that godawful alphabet soup. I’d actively support it.

[bold]If your 8 year old son tells you he is a girl why would you take him shopping and give him puberty blockers? Is your child an endocrinologist? If your child decides he wants to be an alcoholic will you take him to the liquor store to pick out vodka?..[/bold]

The mental illness isn't just the kids. It's the parents. Let's start recognizing that fact too.

How about recognizing the fact that fundamentalist Christians hate gays.

This is not a trans forum. This is not a a forum for straight women to vent about their issues or their children. This is not a forum for anyone to express irrational hatred for any group.

This is a forum for gays and lesbians. Too many other groups are abusing the liberal posting rules to express their hatred.

[bold]These are screenshots from a Dylan Mulvaney video from a few weeks ago, which he has since deleted. Does he look happy or does he look completely miserable? [/bold] He is crying because some random biological woman called him a man on social media. He sure wasn't crying when he was giving himself a makeover to "celebrate" World AIDS Day.

R300, I actually think it could find funding if someone were brave enough to start it. But that person would have to have a very thick skin, as a good 90% of gay men have committed themselves fully to the trans cause. Whoever headed it up would be branded a bigot and attacked daily.

Jesus R303 you people are so obsessed with Dylan Mulvaney I think at this point if you’re not in therapy to deal with it then it’s already too late for you. You people go on about other people with “mental illness” and then act the way you’re acting and expect people to take you seriously. It’s giving babbling person on subway sorry.

[quote] you people......

You mean GAY MEN who are tired of being marginalized by the TEE?

R304 I’m sure we’d hear “ok boomer” a lot. But if the organization were carefully constructed with a list of specific lobbying topics that focused on —things like the protection of gay marriage, healthcare considerations for those with domestic partnerships and powers of attorney that are not recognized by many investment firms (ie Edward Jones). There are many things that affect us that we could rally around.

If r306 has a problem with trans he should stop trying to sound like a straight woman.

Now the dirty little girl will FF me

[quote] You mean GAY MEN who are tired of being marginalized by the TEE?

R306 I mean the fucked up group of people on this website that post incessantly about Dylan mulvaney. I am a gay man. I am not marginalized by trans people. Also lay off your caps lock key I beg.

R238, you have never been to a baseball stadium? I have seen women do that more than once.

[quote]you people are so obsessed with Dylan Mulvaney

You people? The people who were obsessed with him was MAGA. Bud Light ring a bell? Viral videos, boycotts all because of that one person. Gays are are just responding to how he single-handedly brought us all into his drama as part of the LGBTQ. Hide your head in the sand if you want, but you cant hide from all the backlash we had to pay for because of his narcissist inauthentic actions to get attenion.

[quote] I am a gay man. I am not marginalized by trans people.

Hate to break it to you but THEY rewrote YOUR history and they hate YOUR guts..

[bold] NO LGB without the T!! [/bold] Their whole mindset is that WE owe THEM!! I am not bowing to some fringe group. I am not giving a dollar to any group that bows to them. I am dropping the TEE.

That is not the way it works. Still think the T is not hurting the rest of the gay people?

[bold]Trump administration kills 12 million Calif. grant over trans inclusion.

The stench of Chaya Raichik hangs over this thread like skunk weed in a college dorm.

[bold]Add Stonewall Inn to the list of "gay" organizations NOT run by gay men. [/bold]

[quote] The people who were obsessed with him was MAGA. Bud Light ring a bell? Viral videos, boycotts all because of that one person.

I’m sorry I do not care, and neither should you. You’re a fucking loser going on about Dylan Mulvaney day in and day out. Get a life. Why would I care that straight people boycotted a light beer?!? You’re one of these people that confuse advertisements with society.

The core issue of gay rights was to have our own spaces to meet and socialize safely, free from harassment.

Trans rights are the exact opposite. They don't want their own spaces, they want access into everybody else's, from sport to prisons. It's fucking irrational and we need to keep telling them that.

[quote]Why would I care that straight people boycotted a light beer?!?

It's not about the beer nitwit, it's about how the beer company used LGBT to advertise it and the hate it generated because they Dylan the spokes model for it. You really need to get more and realizes you cant just pretend these things don't exist. That one event got millions to vote for Trump.

[quote]Trans rights are the exact opposite. They don't want their own spaces, they want access into everybody else's, from sport to prisons. It's fucking irrational and we need to keep telling them that.

Is the trans person demanding the right to take over your space in the room with you now?

Ratty Korean Wigs

The trans person in your filthy bedroom is you r319 and the wall of your coloncunt are quickly closing in.

[quote] It's not about the beer nitwit, it's about how the beer company used LGBT to advertise it and the hate it generated because they Dylan the spokes model for it.

Yea and homophobia is gay peoples fault. And racism is the fault of black people. You people are too stupid to breathe. Bigotry is the responsibility of the bigots. And you’re siding with bigots.

what r322 said

In every trans thread, someone will pop up insisting that the gender critical voices, who are reliably the most reasonable and well argued, are secretly right wing MAGA types. I get it. It’s easier to believe this than the truth, which is that there are A LOT of us on the left who see trans as the threat to both women’s and LGB rights that it is.

I thought we were all supposed to be part of the big, open LGBTQIA+ community, where every letter has exactly the same interests as every other letter. Whenever trans issues come up in the media, it's never "trans organizations" that are referred to but "LGBTQ+ organizations". Lesbians and gay men are thus seen as supporting all trans demands. If a gay person suggests that perhaps we should drop the T, he/she is immediately attacked by the "no LGB without the T" crowd. So, yes, we can and should talk be able to talk about the trans - we are all "queers" together, after all, and trans rights are LGBT rights. Isn't that so?

Trans are fucking insane. Everyone sees it.

[quote]Yea and homophobia is gay peoples fault.

That's where you are wrong. A lot of people think Trans are unhinged and when you present them one who clearly is, they project that onto the entire LGBTQ group by association. It's not different than when NAMBLA wanted to be part of the first Gay Pride parades and were rejected. By you logic, had they been let in, haters would have been labeled homophobic when what they really were reacting to was what NAMBLA represented.

Why should Gay, Lesbian and Bi population who's rights are based on sexual orientation be responsible for other for people who don't even identify as such?

[quote]we are all "queers" together, after all,

No WE are not. That word does not mean what you think it means.

And yet R325 - Trans only organizations do exist. But if anyone dares set up a lesbian only or gay men only group they are tarred as trans-exclusionary.

There's a difference between being critical and being a hate group

[quote] the gender critical voices, who are reliably the most reasonable and well argued,

Lol

R310 Never seen it in any MLB stadium. Can't imagine any woman walking into a men's in Fenway.

You seem pretty steamed up about this to use all those capital letters in a thread that has nothing to do with any of this, but since misogyny is your jam, go for it. You're on the right site.

R330

You see this is part of the problem. If you don't want to engage on Trans issues, and focus on sexuality / sexual orientation you're branded a "hate group".

The rules seems to be now All Trans All The Time.

[quote] The rules seems to be now All Trans All The Time.

Only to the people who waste their time looking for reasons to hate them.

R111 Because nowadays they must play in competitive female sports and therefore they will win. If you are against this, you are a bigot. Furthermore if you are journalist or any type of writer, you better not refer to a pregnant person as a fucking woman because that’s disrespectful.

I don't hate "them". I don't hate anyone for who they are or who they think they are.

I do reserve the right though to hate anyone based on their actions.

Transtrenders killed it. People could wrap their heads around the extreme dysphoria cases. When you have autists just making shit up because they have these surface level fixations about gender roles or want to make some kind of statement it muddies the waters. Now it’s all seen as a self important performance.

A lot of gay men are very angry and insecure about their manhood. Understandable, since they were likely tormented about it through their childhood. It’s worth considering how this might affect views of transgenderism, especially if inspires rage.

No one wants to speak to this? The transwoman is a legislator in the Minnesota legislature, and the other spouse is a regular ol' butch lesbian.

[quote] But that person would have to have a very thick skin, as a good 90% of gay men have committed themselves fully to the trans cause.

Utter bullshit. The vast majority of out gay men (who are over 30, everyone else under 30 is lost in their bi or gender critical world,) do not support this insane trans nonsense. Most gay men I know in NYC don’t give a shit about this topic and don’t want to even talk about it. It’s not part of their lives in any real or substantive way.

Really, R339? Because I am also in NYC, am over forty, and feel like every politically engaged gay man I know is trans obsessed. I don’t think all of them truly believe it, but they are always posting really aggressive shit about how you can fuck off if you don’t support trans, about how JK Rowling is a bigot, etc. It’s very alienating.

My bff, who lives in NJ, has a MTF cousin, so she was very pro-trans -- until she found out that most MTFs keep their penises. When I told her that, she was shocked. That was the end of her trans support.

No swingin' dicks in the ladies' locker room!

If more people thought about the issue critically, and did a deeper dive into what’s really at stake, trans support would drop precipitously. They call it “peaking” in the gender critical movement. Many, like JK Rowling, were basically supportive of trans because it seems like (and we have been told that it is) the right and liberal thing to do. But once you learn certain things, you can’t unlearn them. Which is why trans rights groups are desperate for you to not learn them, and will quickly call anyone who raises questions a bigot.

[QUOTE]A lot of gay men are very angry and insecure about their manhood. Understandable, since they were likely tormented about it through their childhood. It’s worth considering how this might affect views of transgenderism, especially if inspires rage.

I'm guessing (/hoping) you're not a psychologist.

I don't think I've ever met a gay man "angry and insecure" about their manhood???

And see yet again how it is gay men who are being gaslit?

Did anyone else see the John Oliver segment on trans (co-written by a trans staffer)? He focused heavily on the case of Lia Thomas, the swimmer (and rightfully called out Riley Gaines from turning her fifth-place finish into a MAGA influencer career). It all sounded smart and reasonable, except for one thing:

He didn't dare show "Lia" standing with her other swimming medalists. Thomas is 6'3" and hulking. One glance and anyone would see clearly how unfair this was.

One stake in the trans movement would be, I think, a major news show doing a segment on "bottom surgery" and showing the results — not blurred, not blocked. Rot pockets and Frankenweiners and all. American TV will never do it. Maybe 60 Minutes Australia.

[quote] I don't think I've ever met a gay man "angry and insecure" about their manhood???

Me neither!

R344 "and rightfully called out Riley Gaines from turning her fifth-place finish into a MAGA influencer career)."

That's not a smart point or anything of the like...that's deflection. That's yeah well her biggest detractor is MAGA so....that makes her wrong about Lia, I guess.

Colbert is an embarassment. Clinging to that overtly woke/sjw branch lobg after other progresives have ket go.

Someone please explain the difference between [bold]bold[/bold] and ALL CAPS to r331

[quote] Colbert is an embarassment. Clinging to that overtly woke/sjw branch lobg after other progresives have ket go.

Not nearly as embarassing as your attempts at writing a sentence in English, Oleg.

Girls, girls! You’re both an embarrassment.

[quote]but since misogyny is your jam, go for it. You're on the right site.

Calling out woman for being hypocrites is misogyny? Sorry but no. Women have no right to complain about men using their restroom if they feel it's their right to use men's restrooms just because the Ladies room is busy. You must live in a bubble if you have never seen women do that at crowded events.

r350 was not captain of the debate team.

Enough of this imaginary fantasy bullshit.

[bold]TRANS YOUTH IS OUR FUTURE!![/bold]

[bold]Trans Women are Women!!![/bold]

No Feminism without Trans Women!!

['bold]The signs don't say GAY kids are special. Only the TRANZ are the "special", chosen ones.. [/bold]

"Trans Girl Scouts To Order Cookies From!!!---------------->>This is why they hate us...

The whole thing is pure madness.

How the fuck did this daffy movement become the [italic]sine qua non[/italic] of "progressives"?

You need a better circle R340.

[bold]GLAAD has an entire section for Trans. The chosen ones. The rally signs talk about the Tranz youth. Not LGBT kids. It's the Trans Kids who are the special ones. If you're just a gay kid, you aren't exceptional enough. The signs don't say they want to protect YOU, because you have to find a dress and desire for puberty blockers. [/bold]

I remember a few years ago going to the Museum of New York City and they had an exhibit about the anniversary of Stonewall. 90% of it was dedicated to trans people. If you didnt know any better you'd think Stonewallwas an exclusively trans thing.

Stonewall was 90% a gay white male thing, but you'd be hard pressed to find that fact these days.

The photo may be from the night after Stonewall started, it was a multi-night event.

We'll be asking the same question in reverse in a few years time.

Anti-trans are being very vocal now, as they feel very emboldened, but as the LGB made a mistake adding the T, anti-trans in general are making a mistake adding MAGA.

When the MAGA brand goes stale (and it will) the pendulum will swing back the other way pretty fast.

Another thing I meant to add is that - while the gender critical movement does raise some good points - I can't get away from the fact that many (not all) of them also hate gay people.

I know some will say "no we're fine with gays, we just don't like the trans!" but it's BS. You can tell many of them hate us, too.

And that's why I can't get on board with it, because I know deep down that - even though LGB (not with the T) sounds reasonable on the surface of it - by joining them I'd be allying myself with homophobes who don't have us gays' best interests at heart. And deep down many of you know it, too.

[bold] NO LGB WITHOUT THE TEE!!!! [/bold]

I don't think gay men understand what is really going on right now. The trans are in the streets at parades and protests putting THEMSELVES ahead of LGB. The major gay groups are promoting Trans.

Naw, r361, you just have an impossible time aligning yourself with gay men and lesbian women.

It is something we can all see.

The last Pride event I went to last year had a group of Trans marchers with one banner that read "you got your rights what about ours". Basically INSULTING the LGB part of the crowed. It was not all of us together, it was all about attacking gay men and lesbians at their own parade.

r363, What rights don't they have though? I cant think of any ,

Gay rights and Trans rights are 2 completely different things. Gays didn't want to be victims of hate crimes or discrimination. They wanted to be able to get married. And perhaps a little more (respectful) visibility in media. Wasnt much to ask.

Trans rights goes from puberty blockers, underage sex changes, bathrooms, women's sports, pronouns, "people's with vaginas" and so many other random things. Like, you can't even compare the 2.

R361, you don't have to be part of what you call the "gender critical movement" to acknowledge that there are only two sexes and that humans can't change sex. You don't have to be part of any movement to understand that puberty blockers and other so-called "gender-affirming care" for minors is utterly wrong or that men should not compete in women's sports.

It’s not going to head the direction you want it to R360.

Transgenders. No one is buying their insanity anymore.

R347 You are fat and stupid.

HRC thinks this Man in a Dress is CHIC!! I must admit I didn't know THIS is how HRC spends their time on social media.....Good to know.

Trans "woman" at Disney tries to go to a boutique for children. Promptly shown the EXIT.

R360/61 seems to have triggered the cockroaches.

R363 I don't know why you say that. I'm a gay man myself.

I wasn't even being "pro-trans", I was just saying that many of the more vocal anti-trans people right now also have other right wing views that aren't compatible with gay rights either - see the recent movement to potentially overturn gay marriage in the US. All I was saying is I - as a gay man - don't want to lend myself to a chorus that may also end up chanting against my rights.

But apparently that's controversial. On a site mostly populated by gay men. Okay.

r331 resorts to vicious name calling when anyone dares speak out!

Kinda MAGAish, if you ask me!

Reality:

Even nice everyday Democrats and liberals who are respectful of everyone and joining in the silly pronoun demands just to be polite to men in dresses are desperately seeking the offramp to this toxic nuttiness.

This includes a LOT of gays and lesbians who have really had it with this crap. It's just news to the shrill leftists pushing the T stuff on everyone because they're bullies and don't allow other voices before they name call, and attack!

R372 Does Dylan pay paps to follow him and take pics? I hate that jackass with a passion. And without filters and heavy makeup, yikes.

[quote]I wasn't even being "pro-trans", I was just saying that many of the more vocal anti-trans people right now also have other right wing views that aren't compatible with gay rights either

Yes you are, stop trying to gaslight gay men as all being MAGAis just because they disagree with your apoplectic view of what will happen if the T movement goes away. It's simplistic and not tied to reality.

I want this fkin thread of my fkin feed already.

Can anyone explain how Puberty Blockers are NOT a form of conversion therapy? I honestly don't understand how it isn't. Also having weird looking men with long hair holding up signs isn't helpful to their cause.

National Institutes of Health------>>"Transgender conversion practices involve attempts to alter, discourage, or suppress a person’s gender identity and/or desired gender presentation, including by delaying or preventing gender transition."-------------------->>>>(for the record) This was posted on BIDENs watch. Not Trumps.

We don't need the infiltration of Kiwi Farms trolls here. It's one thing to question the trans agenda. It's a whole other problem to allow the known criminal element to hijack the dialogue. Their presence here should be discouraged.

R378 I'm not gaslighting "gay men", I'm talking about my views as a gay man (singular). I'm never going to be able to control or influence the thoughts of other gay men - after all, we've got our own minds.

It's clear there's more of a right-wing shift going on at the moment in the west and - historically - right wing or conservative "values" (if you want to call them that) haven't exactly been kind to gay people. As I said earlier, there are measures (albeit small) to repeal same-sex marriage, which is part of that shift.

And that's why I (an individual) feel that by being vocally anti-trans I'd be joining in with a shift that could culminate in my own rights being curtailed.

However, I understand other people feel differently and that's fine. Everyone's entitled to their views.

[quote] Anti-trans are being very vocal now, as they feel very emboldened, but as the LGB made a mistake adding the T, anti-trans in general are making a mistake adding MAGA.

Exactly

If r360 wants to avoid what he imagines is the threat of MAGA, then he should suggest a pathway forward by which the LGB can drop the T. Perhaps the problem in the US is with the left and the Democrats, who refuse any possibility of moving towards a more rational policy and are still stuck in an extremist rut. If anyone who simply says that humans cannot change sex and that kids should not be given puberty blockers is immediately hounded down by the left, then of course the left is going to lose on this issue.

I don't see why trans is seen as a left/right issue.

Surely the right sound endorse trans people as they making their own decisions, upholding individual liberty away from the interference of government.

*should not sound

We really need a fucking edit button

R384 Well, I don't think there needs to be a 'pathway'. The LGB isn't one defined committee that decides to vote on legislation about "dropping the T" or whatever else. It doesn't feel like there can be any middle ground on this issue. I take parts from both 'sides' (for want of a better phrase) - which means the extreme ends of both sides accuse me of being the enemy.

I agree children shouldn't be given puberty blockers and I agree people can't change their biological sex. Both of those would potentially see me labelled as 'gender critical', a transphobe, trans hater, etc.

But then I don't mind using preferred pronouns in certain scenarios. For example I know a trans woman who transitioned around 15 years ago and I'm not gonna suddenly start calling her "he" as it comes across as both rude and cruel. But I know many of those who call themselves gender critical would pretty much go out of their way to say "HE". As I disagree with that, many would call me a "trans rights activist", along with accusing me of other worse things.

It's clear there are biological men who either get a kick out of dressing as a woman or do so to escape justice (eg "you can't send me to a male prison because - surprise - I'm a woman!"). They have no intention of having surgery and probably don't even take hormones. But there are also people with genuine gender dysphoria who, once they take hormones and have surgery, are quite happy living their lives in peace and don't want to piss others off. I don't want to treat the latter badly. But the problem is many on both sides want to treat each type exactly the same when they're not.

I see things like "trans men are trying to say gay men have to fuck them! They're erasing homosexuality!" And I think... well, I've never been made to feel that way. I appreciate I'm only one person, but can anyone confidently say there's an epidemic of trans people demanding we have sex with them? I just don't buy it. And that's another reason I can't get in with the "LGB without the T!" crowd as it feels like manufactured outrage.

Plus whenever I express that view, it's rare anyone will calmly and respectfully tell me why I'm wrong... I either get yelled at, called names, accused of things (eg the person earlier who said I was trying to gaslight gay men), FF'd to the point I get a 24 hour ban, etc. It's impossible to just talk about it and exchange different views.

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R385 You'd think so, but many on the right are hypocritical with their values. I've argued with lots of people on Twitter who have statements like "pro liberty, land of the free" in their bios which - when you read their tweets - actually means "I want my guns, I want my free speech, but those gays shouldn't be able to get married or adopt kids!"

In other words: "I want my liberty and freedom, but those I disagree with shouldn't have it".

[quote]Plus whenever I express that view, it's rare anyone will calmly and respectfully tell me why I'm wrong..

Because when they do you blow it off as them being MAGA or conservatives. You literally talk like it's impossible for a very left wing gay Democrat to hold the view of dropping the T without YOU attacking them with your presumption of them being a MAGA supporter or a conservative.

You want an explanation? I have been a Democrat my entire life, progressive, openly gay and old enough to remember when gay men had to march in the streets for their basic rights to exist. I honestly had no problem with the T twenty years ago when one of my best friends decided she was trans. But now that movement has evolved in to an ugly, distasteful, shallow, entitled, proselytizing group to everyone who does not lay down and worship them like they are Donald Trump.

Imagine if back in the day gay men demanded that straight people always introduce themselves first as a Heterosexual before their name. That's basically what Trans has done insisting everyone else must conform to words like cisgender and he/him or she/her.

Time to remove the known criminals aka Kiwi Farmers from DL.

Their presence here puts our site under scrutiny from law enforcement.

[quote] Surely the right should endorse trans people as they making their own decisions, upholding individual liberty away from the interference of government.

It would be confusing if you buy into the myth that when people speak of individual liberties they mean “anything goes”. If you think about it for a minute they have never recognized an individual right to illegally steal someone’s property or to murder an innocent person or cause them harm. The support of law enforcement should show you that.

In that vein, there’s no individual liberty for men to invade women’s restrooms or locker rooms or to play on women’s sports teams. Also, no individual right for modern Dr. Mengeles or parents to irreparably harm children in the name of gender affirmation.

Gosh anyone would think pious right-wingers are hypocritical...

Sign of the times: The new Cormoran Strike novel by Robert Galbraith, the artist formerly known as JK Rowling, did not receive a snarky review in the Graun.

R388 But that means you no longer like "the T" because of how some of them act. And it is only some. Yet I doubt you'd be fine with people treating you badly as a gay man because of how some gay men behave.

And that's my main point. I won't join in with the general anti-trans comments because said comments besmirch all trans people -- when it isn't all of them who act badly.

Besides, I didn't say or imply gender critical gay people are MAGA or conservatives. I said I don't want to join in with MAGAs or conservatives who denounce trans people, especially because many of them would denounce me, too. In other words, I'm not fighting their battles for them, especially if it means I'll fuck myself over in the process.

I agree with both R387 and R388, my experiences are very similar to both.

MONTERO

R393, I couldn't care less about individual or even collective trans - what I oppose is the policy that governments and organisations are imposing on us relating to trans. Transwomen should not be in women's sports. Puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones and surgery should not be given to kids - and only to adults after much assessment. We should not be forced to state our pronouns - it's obvious what they are. Gay organisations should stick to same-sex issues and not tell lesbians that we must date biological men. Biological men should not be able to use women's changing rooms or be housed in women's prisons.

I don't believe that transwomen are women or that transmen are men and never will. I believe that traswomen are men and transmen are women and should not be forced or harassed by goverment or institutions into believing otherwise. Trans will believe whatever they want about themselves but the rest of society should not be forced to adhere to their subjective delusions. My problem is with the policy that is being enforced on us to accept something that isn't true.

Dump the Kiwi Farms Criminals and we can have a reasonable discussion. Their continued criminal presence here threatens the future of this site

r397, you sound like you're attempting to call "criminal" without proof anyone who disagrees with you.

I've never even heard of Kiwi Farms, but I am among those seeking to drop the T, leave kids alone and cool down what seems to be the social contagion of the Gender Identity movement, and demanding the public play along with the demands of dysphoric people.

[quote] I've never even heard of Kiwi Farms,

You sure had a lot to say about it.

Liar

R396 I don't know where you are, but if in the US, I thought Trump had already signed something to ban biological men from women's sports. In the UK, puberty blockers are now banned from those under 18. It seems like a lot of what you're asking for has already been implemented.

I don't think trans women should be in women's sports either, so I don't disagree there.

But I do think trans people should be afforded some respect - and I will use preferred pronouns (I mean she or he, I agree they/them is a bit silly). I don't think it's right to call trans people "deluded" either. It feels dangerously close to homophobic rhetoric where people say us gays are mentally ill.

I also think the whole thing has been overblown as a distraction, a bit like the migrant issue.

Let's get rid of the Kiwi Farmers and have a true discussion

[quote] Is there an existing organization that is simply LGB that we can get behind? One that can speak for us and not lump us into that godawful alphabet soup. I’d actively support it.

LGB Alliance. The trannies have tried everything to deem it a hate organization.

R402 I’ll look it up and support it.

R400, it's entirely reasonable to call a man who thinks he's a woman deluded. In fact, we should absolutely acknowledge that people who imagine themselves to be the opposite sex have some kind of mental health or other underlying issues because that's what will really help them. People with "gender dysphoria" need the right therapy to resolve it and become comfortable in their own bodies. The other "trans" group of male fetishists (overwhelmingly heterosexual males) who get a kick out of wearing women's clothes in public should not be encouraged.

Re puberty blockers, are you seriously saying that you're unaware of all the attacks that the Cass Report, which led to the banning of puberty blockers and the advancement of a therapy-led model for youth gender dysphoria, has been subjected to? The TRA mob and their handmaidens are still braying for so-called "gender-affirming care", while in the US Democrats are still calling for puberty blockers, etc.

As for pronouns, if I have to - in order to avoid the screeching - I will refer, in the presence of a trans-identified person, to him or her using his or her "preferred pronouns", but I'm not going to call a man "she" when talking privately. The whole "preferred pronouns" thing, where we're told we have to call men "she" because they will get upset and we must be kind is simply an emotional blackmail tactic to enforce trans ideology.

If you really cared about protecting gay people, then you should be trying to stop the damage trans ideology is doing to gay youth, whereby "non-gender conforming" youth who are very likely gay are told to consider themselves trans and in some cases even transed, e.g. Jazz Jennings.

[quote]But that means you no longer like "the T" because of how some of them act. And it is only some. Yet I doubt you'd be fine with people treating you badly as a gay man because of how some gay men behave.

WRONG, as I said 20 years ago I had no problem with the T. The reason I do now has already been explained to you. As a group movement, they have evolved into something that is trying to force the rest of society to conform to their norms, through intimidation and accusations.

[quote]And that's my main point. I won't join in with the general anti-trans comments because said comments besmirch all trans people -- when it isn't all of them who act badly.

A movement is never all people. Now you are just playing semantics and in case you didn't notice, you are still implying any gay man against the T is basically MAGA.

R404 I'm sure the Cass Review has been attacked, but as far as I'm aware, puberty blockers are still banned indefinitely in the UK for treating gender dysphoria in those under 18. So it's not like a step has been taken back there. Obviously correct me if I'm wrong, but I couldn't find any evidence to suggest it has.

I disagree gay teens are being encouraged to transition. I think there's a bigger stigma to being trans compared to being gay these days, hence if someone thinks they're gay they're more likely to just say that than see being trans as an easy way out.

R405 Ha. You're the one playing semantics now with "a movement is never all people". It might not be all, but it's a large amount. So you're still implying all trans people should be treated the same because of a majority.

It's also disingenuous. Like people who say: "I had no problem with the gays but then they started demanding marriage and now I don't support any of them!"

Ultimately ...

it's because people's general goodwill was swamped by their mental illness and aggressive craziness

And people have had enough of them.

r399 knows EVERYTHING...except that men can't be turned into women.

[quote]I disagree gay teens are being encouraged to transition. I think there's a bigger stigma to being trans compared to being gay these days...

DO YOU LIVE ON MARS?

R409 I live in the real world.

In this day and age, the only parents who'd likely have an issue their teen son or daughter coming out as gay would be those who are ultra conservative/christian.

Would they really be fine if said child instead said they were trans? "Praise the Lord, we have a trans child!"

No. They'd instead say something like: "Now don't be so stupid. The good Lord made us exactly as we are. It's a sin to go down this road!" Or similar.

I don't believe anyone genuinely thinks a homophobic parent would be fine if their child said they were trans.

[quote]In this day and age, the only parents who'd likely have an issue their teen son or daughter coming out as gay would be those who are ultra conservative/christian.

And especially Muslims.

Why do you guys always forget the Muslims, who are much more homophobic?

Maybe because they don't seem to have much political clout in the USA. It's often the gay-friendly Christian apologists who can't justify the homophobia among their own kind who resort to "the Muslims are worse"

[quote]Ultimately ...

[quote]it's because people's general goodwill was swamped by their mental illness and aggressive craziness

[quote]And people have had enough of them.

Genuinely have no idea if you're referring to trans activists or Kiwi Farms cockroaches.

The baby blue and pastel pink flag isn’t exactly a visual reassurance against child grooming.

To partially answer OP’s question.

Chase Strangio

Lia Thomas, Laurel Hubbard, Veronica Ivy

Lily Tino

Andrea Long Chu

[quote]The baby blue and pastel pink flag isn’t exactly a visual reassurance against child grooming.

Neither is transphobe's predatory stalking of trans people.

[quote] Neither is transphobe's predatory stalking of trans people.

Is it Opposite Day today? TRA’s are the one that took doxxing, rape and death threats to a new extreme. It was TRA’s that punched women, bullied college administrators into canceling speakers who’s views didn’t line up with theirs, and tried to break down doors and go after people who attended those speeches and panels.

[bold] You're only special if you're TRANs YOUTH...[/bold]. That's the message they're sending and promoting. Do you see anyone holding up a PROTECT GAY YOUTH sign? No. The gay groups built by men have not been turned over to women who promote the Trans Ideology. That's just a fact.

[quote] Why do you guys always forget the Muslims, who are much more homophobic?

Keep in mind that for many eldergays their views on everything were locked in place forty to fifty years ago. When the subject is gays and religion their brains will always see Jerry Falwell and Anita Bryant and they will talk as if they were still alive and in their heyday. Muslims could start throwing gay men off rooftops in the U.S. on a daily basis and these afflicted eldergays will still talk about the threat of the “Moral Majority” group. (I’m an eldergay, but I live in the present.)

[quote] Muslims could start throwing gay men off rooftops in the U.S. on a daily basis

That's just it. That's a purely invented fear, invented by whores and grifters on the Right who don't want to face the fact that in fact it is their movement, and lately their cult, that is the actual danger to gay rights. Muslims are indeed horrible to gay people in Muslim controlled countries. But here in God's Own Country, the good ole U.S. of motherfuckin A., the danger has always been and remains the Christian Right.

Go back to Kiwi Farms r417. We can critisize Trans without your hate group input.

Go dilate R421. You being up kiwi farms more than anyone else on here. There’s nothing untrue about what I wrote.

Planned Parenthood spreads the Tranz News!! HolyTrans Euphoria!!!

Typical Kiwi Farms response @ r422. Anyone who questions their criminal tactics is labeled trans.

Typical trans loon response at r424. 10lbs of shit in a 5lb bag.

lol. Whatever. go back to your criminal site r425. We don't want the likes of you stalker nutcases here.

R426 you’re obsessed with kiwi farms. I think you hate read it by the hour considering how much you write about it on here. You’re doing the classic trans DARVO tactic. Deflect, deflect deflect. Look where it got you.

keep at it r427. Prove my point more than you did at r425. what is your time zone?

Normal people, gays and lesbians, can have issues with transgenders without expressing outright hatred.

DATALOUNGE does not need Kiwi Farms. Funny how Kiwi Farmers try to hide their identities. Why would they do that?

[quote]Time to remove the known criminals aka Kiwi Farmers from DL. Their presence here puts our site under scrutiny from law enforcement.

How would anyone know who posts here? Our own personal FBI agents who monitor our computer use, I suppose.

Maybe you could start your own thread about Kiwi Farms since you like to talk about it so much.

Or you could "out" yourselves . Some have been straightforward.. Others, like you, unduly concerned about being labeled as such.

If you're worried maybe you shouldn't be part of a hate group .

[quote] you're obsessed; seek help

Maybe but your obsession is based on hatred , not mine

I don't think it's necessarily people from Kiwi Farms, but I do think some people visit DL who don't really have any interest in engaging with all the typical topics here and just stick to the threads about trans and politics.

What their motivation is I can't say, but it's unlikely they're everyday gay men who just happened upon this place.

I meant to say that a giveaway is the amount of likes the opening post has (110 at the time of writing) - even though it doesn't express an opinion, it just asks a question.

This topic currently has 434 replies, I found another with 505 and the OP has 4 upvotes.

From scrolling through the homepage I couldn't find another topic with anything close to 110 upvotes, so something's afoot. Make of it what you will.

[quote]It's also disingenuous. Like people who say: "I had no problem with the gays but then they started demanding marriage and now I don't support any of them!"

More GASLIGHTING. No it's not the same to compare gay marriage with the current political agenda of the T. Gay marriage did not force straight people to suddenly change the way they speak about their own marriage. It simply gave men and women to marry who they want. THAT IS NOT THE SAME as the T movement demanding other people start referring to themselves has He/Him or She/Her before stating their name. Or being called Cisgender.

R436 = Kiwi Farmer

R436 You're like a broken record. I'm expressing an opinion on an internet message board. People are free to never read a thing I write, so it's hardly gaslighting - which is when someone manipulates another person by constantly questioning them, ending in them doubting their own sanity. But don't believe me, go and look up the definition.

I BLOCKED R437 the TRANS LOON and almost 40 posts went POOF!

Regardless of the excuses made by its promoters it is a known criminal site. And we have several self-proclaimed adherents here.

Datalounge does not need this criminal element.

Whatever r438. It's become about you protesting that you are not part of a hate group. Why is that?

If I blocked r439 I guarantee its posts would only be anti trans. Must be a big fat straight woman.

From England

Live a life based on hating someone. Your choice

Is the Kiwi Farms thing its latest tactic, like the Autism troll? Those posters really need to spread their mental illness elsewhere, please.

[quote]Maybe because they don't seem to have much political clout in the USA. It's often the gay-friendly Christian apologists who can't justify the homophobia among their own kind who resort to "the Muslims are worse"

R412 please, in Muslim countries, homosexuals are legally murdered and women are relegated to second class citizens.

Democrats, who claim to be anti-homophobia and anti-misogyny, inexplicably bend over backwards for Muslims, while demonizing Christians.

They freak out whenever Christians pray/worship, but have no problem with Muslims doing the same. In fact, they encourage it.

Just another example of the left's hypocrisy/double standards that makes no sense.

R445 Are you a Christian?

If so, are you type to say things like: "I love gay people, but I don't support what they do and I'm only showing my love for them by stating that? Hate the sin, not the sinner!"?

I only ask because many Christians who make the same argument you're making effectively say: "Gays should be glad we don't want to kill them!"

R418 - well all know if there was a t-shirt that said Protect Gay Youth it would be condemned as being transphobic / trans-exclusionary.

The TRAs have ridden on the coattails of lesbians and gay men, tried to claim all gay rights are only because of trans people. They have metaphorically barged into these organisations and remade them in their own image. Just like the fetishistic cross-dressers (not the genuinely transsexual people) want to barge into women's single-sex spaces.

[quote] From scrolling through the homepage I couldn't find another topic with anything close to 110 upvotes, so something's afoot.

That’s not hard to figure out. People are doing it to counteract the FFs on the thread from the people who try to shut down any trans related topics.

R448 maybe you gals should take the hint?

[quote] I do think some people visit DL who don't really have any interest in engaging with all the typical topics here and just stick to the threads about trans and politics.

Not for trans threads, but there’s no question that there are some people who are using DL only for politics. No replies on any gay subject threads, even gay catnip threads. You look at their history and it’s exclusively just Trump and politics. I’ll continue to assume such people are not gay until proven otherwise. This category of people showed up after the 2016 election.

R448 Sorry but that's bollocks. People don't care *that* much haha.

R450 True, I put R445 on block briefly just to see their posts and they were only in this thread, a Graham Linehan thread (also trans related), a Melania thread which gleefully talked about the "liberal media dying" and an anti Newsom comment.

Only about 10 comments total. And that's just one person.

R450 R452 not that I disagree with your point but begging you guys to figure out how the block feature works. It only shows the comments from that poster you’ve blocked for threads on which you have mutually posted. They could have posted on any number of other threads and unless you have commented on those threads also, those comments don’t show up when you block someone. I’m guessing R452 you also commented on the melania thread and other graham thread?

R453 That's as maybe, but I post in a wide variety of topics (happy to screenshot the topics on the right hand side of my page to prove this) and the fact that our mutual threads are almost exclusively politics based shows the point I was making.

R453, it helps if you have a wide range of threads that you yourself have replied to. With the case of r445, I can see that they do post on non-political threads, so is a regular joe.

R454 i dont disbelieve that you do post on a wide topic of threads, but the way the block feature works I think means that you can’t conclusively say that a different user only posts on politics or trans threads etc., because they might post on a bunch of threads that you’ve just happened not to. Unless you post on practically every single thread I think it’s not a good tool to rely on. Also it should be explained on the block page that it does only show threads you have mutually replied on, its results in so much confusion. We can see how this has happened with 445 based on the differing takes from R455 and R452.

One man's gay catnip is another's pass on the subject. Not all gay men are into the theater, the Royals, or Housewives.

[quote]What killed the transgender movement?

I don't know.

Cock Robbin'?

Rimshot

I see Trump is targeting Tranz again. Nobody does more to help the Republicans vilify them than the Trans Community. Another week, another treasure trove for the GOP to sift thru. Unfortunately the entire LGBT Community gets lumped in with these clowns. Could someone please tell these MEN in dresses they cannot have a period? Because apparently some of them think they can. WTF.

[bold] The Good News =[/bold] Another Brave beautiful TranswoMAN joins the women's sports team!!.. He/she looks like a football player!!!

[bold] The BAD News = ['bold] Biological women on the team are now lawyered up----"File Title IX Complaint Over Trans Athlete, Alleging Safety Risks"....

[bold] The real question is = What will He wear to accept his/them GLAAD Award? [/bold] So brave.

GAY ERASURE , Notice 75% of this brick rainbow path is now Trans colors?

Erasure and misinformation......[bold] NO LGB Without the TEE"----------Their mentality is we OWE them. [bold] Typical tranz loony toons.

Here's an interview with an Australian academic I've never heard of but is apparently famous in this field of research.

At least it confirms one thing I've long suspected; that all this gender speculation originated on campuses in the 1970's.

A pity the interviewer sticks to generalizations and avoids the practical controversies like biological men in women's sports.

When you look at someone like R454's link, she's the kind you respect, not pushy, not blaming gays for their problem etc. She just wants to live her life. It's really odd when you look at it abstractly and think, gee, she would be part of the gay rights movement. Her path is totally different.

I loathe this meaningless phrase, r463. The GLAAD president said it at their last awards ceremony like she was Maya Angelou or something. But the phrase means nothing. It simply means that gay rights groups forced T and Q onto our movement.

I saw a great video today on TikTok by a lesbian explaining to viewers how LGB was combined with TQ without the consent of the LGB community. She also explained why LGB have a commonality with.each other under the definitions, but not with TQ.

Not sending your best ^^

I'm an H.

It stands for Honey, I don't give a shit now kindly fuck off me.

Another classy trans shows up at a womens sporting event. Then calls the biological women "sore losers"

July = Dylan Mulvaney's Off Broadway Show Dates = September 20th thru November 30th. [bold]TEN WEEKS. [/bold]

Now = Dylan Mulvaney's Off Broadway Show Dates = September 27th thru October 19th. [bold]THREE WEEKS. [/bold]

Screenshot is the original dates (TOP)....Current dates (BOTTOM)...

The "trans icon" went from ten weeks to THREE weeks off broadway.

Three weeks sounds like a long time. I don't know anyone gay or straight who wants to see Dylan.

Penn State paid him $40k for a speech and he barely could fill the first two rows of a small auditorium.

R474 = Yep. [bold]Here is the screenshot of all the empty seats. [/bold] Someone said on social media they are going to Dylans show and plan to post how many seats are empty.

I feel almost sorry for Dylan, but not if they are receiving $40,000.

[quote] Muslims could start throwing gay men off rooftops in the U.S. on a daily basis

Oh goodie, the "Muslims Are Going to Start Throwing US Gays off of Rooftops Any Day Now" troll is back again, to give us more dire warnings about the deadly threats posed by Shohreh Agdashloo and Bella Hadid!

[quote]Oh goodie, the "Muslims Are Going to Start Throwing US Gays off of Rooftops Any Day Now" troll is back again, to give us more dire warnings about the deadly threats posed by Shohreh Agdashloo and Bella Hadid!

How do you feel about the people who post the dire warnings that we're all about to be rounded up and taken to concentration camps?

He is receiving $40,000. He, not "they".

[bold] Speaking Fee [/bold] = $30,000 to $50,000.

[bold] Primary Topic Category [/bold] = Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion. (DEI)....................... ((((eye roll))))

Right wing site Daily Caller spreading the word on social media about Dylan Mulvaneys show.

"Protect the Dolls" is now "problematic." Noted.

[quote]We agreed that “Protect the Dolls,” a well-intentioned slogan meant to rally public support for trans women, felt increasingly, frustratingly hollow.

[quote]Willis called the over-extension of the term “problematic” as its effects may prioritize a certain class of trans people over Black and Latina trans women who experience higher rates of discrimination, incarceration, suicidality, and violence. “Celebrities might wear a shirt to signal support,” she tells Them. “But I imagine they’re often thinking of a white trans model or actress — not the everyday trans people navigating hardships in a country constantly telling them they shouldn’t exist.”

Dollsh!

I'm old enough to remember when Kiwi Farms trolls and obese British women hadn't taken over DL with this transphobic horseshit.

Of course back then it was 24/7 anti-Muslim circle jerks., reminding us once more that Muslims do nothing but throw gay men off rooftops. Not exactly an improvement either way.

[bold] Nobody does more to harm the transgender community than the transgender community. [/bold]----------------->>>

Lawsuit!! Another MAN wants women's sports medals!! And suing for HIS right to do so. LINK...

Also from the article R482 linked to

[QUOTE]Willis believes that “performative allyship” can actually do more harm than good.

Christ, nothing, but nothing is ever good enough is it?

[QUOTE]Delilah Friedler is a journalist living on occupied Indigenous lands, in Brooklyn.

You own your privilege doll! *finger click*

“Protect the dolls” is a self-own. It makes it found as if trans people want to be seen as objects. As unrealistic ideals of femininity. It doesn’t sound a civil rights movement for humans, but rather a PR campaign for performers.

Once you become gender critical (or “peaked,” as they call it) it’s hard to hear any of it the same way. I was just listening to an interview with Jinkx monsoon, who is doing this whole thing about the straight voice he used in college. He demonstrated how he was easily able to drop down several options and sound very masculine, but then went back to his current voice and made a whole thing about how the past one was the lie. But the truth is that the current one is an every day performance. No matter what you think of his talents, his woman voice, his woman voice is a clear put-on. But it was almost like he didn’t even realize this. Didn’t realize the irony of talking about how he used to cover, while living in what is essentially a cover in the other direction. If that makes sense.

[quote]Christ, nothing, but nothing is ever good enough is it?

They eat the people who are their allies — Ryan Murphy, RuPaul, Kate Pierson, and on and on.

R489 listen to this trans woman’s voice change after Nancy mace says tranny.

Same trans woman different event.

I have been informed on social media that I must bring the same energy to defending trans women as I did to a cis white male like Jimmy Kimmel.

I AM TELLING YOU KNOW SO I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU THEN.

R490 - what's the Kate Pierson story?

[quote]what's the Kate Pierson story?

On her solo album, Kate did a song supporting trans called "Mister Sister." It was — you guessed it — "problematic."

[bold]"In my Daddy's belly. The story of a Transgender Dad giving Birth."---------For FIVE year olds. [/bold] This is why they hate us.

Thanks R495

These trans people are so hectoring... it feels like they're scolding people all the time.

One more thing that killed the transgender movement - it turned its never ending bitterness on people who were trying to be supportive.

[bold] "No Stonewall without Trans and Queer people"------Human Rights Campaign. [/bold]..... The trans are the chosen ones. The special ones. The brave ones. The best ones. The promoted ones.

Did the audience forget to show up? Can you imagine being a young gay playwright and having a hard time getting your foot in the door because some man in a dress is considered more talented---because he's wearing a dress?

Why would a young playwright struggle because Dylan Mulvaney is doing a show? Is this struggling playwright also suppressed by the women doing cabaret at Don’t Tell Mama?

Men in Dresses are promoted. That's a fact.