Stanley Kubrick tried to warn us about Epstein back in 1999

Talk about this has circled "Eyes Wide Shut" for years. It's interesting and makes the film feel even more sinister to me. A lot of these things were open secrets in Hollywood. DL's resident fave opiate addict Courtney Love famously ran her mouth about Harvey Weinstein in 2005.

I feel like this isn't exactly news. If you look at any YouTube video that goes into tinfoil hat theories around the Shining ALWAYS touch on similar themes and icons used in EWS. Also, the mystery around only Cruise, Kidman and Kubrick viewing just before Kubrick died also discusses this. Especially in relation to the mystery silver fox Alice is dancing with at the party, and the HUGE glaring hole thats left by the truncation of that scene.

This misunderstands the film

The film isn’t about children, it’s about women. The movie is about a Jewish Illuminati that abuses women. It is a half serious, half satirical look at the problems Jewish men have with women, which were illustrated very nicely during MeToo when Jewish name after Jewish name was thrust into the spotlight for sexual harassment and worse.

[quote] and the final scene in the movie was meant to depict Tom Cruise and Nicole's characters selling their child to the ring.

Wait . . .WHAT!!!

YOU CAN DO THAT?

Oh, gosh. We’ve got “Kubrick tried to tell us and they killed him!” folks here too?!

I feel for those who think he helped NASA fake the moon landing.

Kubrick uses several recurring motifs throughout his films.

One is rainbows. Rainbows represent false enlightenment.

The other is diamonds, usually seven diamonds, often in groupings of five and two. The diamonds usually represent a kind of sinister supernatural force. Sometimes the diamonds are partially obscured.

Look at the Christmas trees in EWS. It’s the top half of a diamond, covered in rainbows.

Aren't ALL Christmas trees, r6?

R7 Like all Kubrick films, its not about ONE single problematic issue. There's sex work by both adults willing, and a father selling his adolescent daughter; Sobieskis role. There's also infidelity, murder disguised as sacrifice and other abuses the wealthy can commit with impunity,(forgetting exactly how, but the organist pays too).

Its not talked about as often bc he didn't finish it, one of his PAs did, so its not considered a TRUE Kubrick film. Not sure how much I agree on that point.

You missed the point entirely, r8.

All Christmas trees are diamonds with rainbow colored lights. Unless one has monochrome lights for it.

Expecting someone to “know” the tree stood for something other than Christmas is a stretch

I've always thought that Sydney Pollack's character in the movie was based upon Epstein.

Zeigler was first offered to Woody Allen, then actually cast with Harvey Keitel, before going to Sydney Pollack. Given that he clearly wanted to go with a Jewish filmmaker, the film was more likely an indictment of the Jewish power structures in show businesses than in finance.

No. I don't buy it. "Eyes Wide Shut" is a good film (I will die on this hill). But that ending is too outrageous. The film is about infidelity, not bizarre conspiracy theories.

The ending has two old rabbi looking men leading the daughter away. In the shot, there are prominent teddy bears. 🧸

In Kubrick’s filmography, particularly in The Shining, teddy bears are a symbol of sexual abuse. The Shining was about sexual abuse.

I believe Kubrick was likely abused as a child and films including Lolita, Barry Lyndon, The Shining and Eyes Wide Shut are a reaction to it. AI Artificial Intelligence, which he passed on to Spielberg, would likely have also continued the teddy bear/abuse theme had Kubrick directed it himself.

I don't buy this for a second either. The film is based on Arthur Schnitzler's 1926 "Dream Story" (Traumnovelle), and there's nothing about pedophilia in that work. Other than changing the setting to NYC in the 1990s, Kubrick's film adheres pretty closely to the Schnitzler novella.

This is just more of the usual nutso QAnon conspiracy mongering.

R6/R9 I never argued against Kubricks use of iconography, I didn't say anything about the tree specifically, nor do I expect anyone to identify shapes as having an empirical meaning. Another brilliant aspect to Kubrick is in the many ways his work can be interpreted. My point was that like all his films multiple themes are interwoven in his storytelling as nothing is as it appears at first blush and Kubrick was a master at layering concepts seamlessly.

The first party when Alice is dancing (while two younger women are toying with her husband), is the gaping hole, Ive read that it was in their exchange that there was a shocking scene that was cut, others have eluded to her actually offering up her daughter in that cut content, also read that theybwent to a private room to watch others reveling in their bacchanal, but we'll likely never know, as Kubrick died and the film had been shrouded in mystery as a result.

Just knowing that Kubrick didn't approve the final cut is a mystery as his anal ATD often had him re-editing even after limited theatrical releases.