2028 Dem frontrunner Buttigieg polling at 0% with black voters

Black voters will come around for Pete in 2028.

The alternative is JD Vance, Donald Trump Jr., or some other fascist asshole.

They will have no choice, but to side with the Democratic candidate.

I’m sorry but you answered your own question OP.

He polls worse with black people and Latino people (aka the religious groups)

Of COURSE he does badly

He doesn’t have a shot. He’s gay and short.

I mean, of course it's homophobia, despite OP desperately trying to get the denials in first.

Yeah, black voters don’t win elections. If Democrats want to win they need to expand and the majority right now want Pete. He’s not my pick but that’s where it stands. Coming out against trannies in sports was the right move to make.

[R1] capturing perfectly the plantation mindset of white liberals to black and Latino voters: "You will vote for Buttigieg and you will like it"

Total disaster. They will not come around they will just sit the election out.

He's absolutely not going to win the nomination unless he can get black Democrats to vote for him, in the primaries, in major numbers. This is a huge problem for him and it can't just be hand-waved away.

I dream of the day when we stop hearing about this guy. He was only elected mayor of a tiny town and he's never polled well.

He's the only one so far who can hold his own against the Republicans. He can shade the Republicans from top to bottom and look classy and dignified doing it.

He had issues in South Bend, but Biden had his own giant bag of racial baggage and South Carolina single handedly saved him and gave him the nomination.

So what's the problem?

"They will not come around they will just sit the election out."

Just like they did in November 2024. Now they have Trump deliberately and intentionally rewriting black history to suit his personal, racist agenda and there's not a damn thing they can do about it.

So yea, keep up with that brilliant strategy of sitting out elections and just watch the Civil Rights Act of 1964 vaporize into thin air.

Did "they" do that in 2024? I suspect it was much more young white people sitting it out, cause Gaza, cause dingbat fuckery, cause being young and volatile and fairly stupid about real life.

What was actually even crazier was the Hispanics voting for Trump thinking that somehow maniacal hatred of all Hispanic immigrants was going to magically pass them by.

R3 yes, Democrats need to realize that black people are only 13% of the U.S. population and no longer the biggest minority group.

Their votes no longer count in the grand scheme of things, so they need to stop catering to them.

It's not the 20th century anymore.

That was for R5.

Black people still overwhelmingly voted for Kamala. More Republican voters than previous elections, yes. More people sitting out, yes. But they still voted more for Kamala than any other group.

People simultaneously allude to the Black electorate's waning influence but then love to blame them for a certain election result.

Democrats are almost certain to lose the white vote again in 2028, as they always do. If you can't excite a lot of minority voters to vote for you, you lose. It's that simple and I don't know why fuckers are pretending not to know that (although I have suspicions).

It is homophobia low key. I said what I said.

However I think it might also be lack of name brand recognition.

The thing is he got 16 percent of the vote among Democratic primary voters generally. It can't be a lack of name recognition, unless black people are living in a little bubble and are uniquely unaware of him. Some of that may be, but I really, really don't think that accounts for 0, again a big ZERO percent support.

R5 You are so wrong. Ignorant ass white people have become so stubborn, the democrats MUST win 90% black vote. They MUST. This was a problem before MAGA. One that Obama solved. That’s why the democrats were so happy the with “demographics are destiny” mantra. It was supposed to be ROUGH for Repubs to win general elections after Obama. Little did they know an Orange white man gangsta rapper in the form of a racist business tycoon would lure in a bunch of black and Hispanic men. Democrats are idiots yo. How the fuck do you fuck up demographics being destiny. Dumb ass trans obsessed cunts.

It's not just homophobia. During the 2019 primaries when asked about race or police brutality, he seemed uncomfortable and gave vague, convoluted answers.

[quote]R1 capturing perfectly the plantation mindset of white liberals to black and Latino voters: "You will vote for Buttigieg and you will like it". Total disaster. They will not come around they will just sit the election out

You want to know what a plantation mindset looks like, acting as if you know with certainty how Black people will vote in an election that is three years away based on one set of poll results published in a news article. You don't know. I don't know. No one knows.

[quote]Did "they" do that in 2024? I suspect it was much more young white people sitting it out, cause Gaza, cause dingbat fuckery, cause being young and volatile and fairly stupid about real life. What was actually even crazier was the Hispanics voting for Trump thinking that somehow maniacal hatred of all Hispanic immigrants was going to magically pass them by.

Exactly. I get sick of the these threads continuously chastising Black voters for the 2024 outcome while failing to do the same for the other groups you mentioned, who are just as or more responsible for what happened because they form a larger bloc of voters. Yet surprisingly no low-key race-baiting threads critical of White and Hispanic voters who stayed home or voted for Trump in greater percentages than Black voters did.

A large chunk of minorities are now voting Republican. Trump’s behavior speaks to them especially ones from third world shitholes who are used to living under despots.

No women need apply for the top job. And no gays, either. Not in today's America.

Exactly, R19.

And Pete's an incredibly intelligent guy, which why I just don't understand why he hasn't moved in a big way to rectify those issues; he's had more than half a decade to make the necessary inroads.

Man, oh man I dearly wish Mitch Landrieu could get some big traction; he's the President America doesn't know it needs.

RePETE after me: no women, no people of color, no gays, Christians only. That’s the democrats playlist for next president. Also no fat guys. Sorry but that’s the rules for 2028

Actually, no OLD guys r24, before fat guys. 50s and 60s, at most. Don't be some old bitch in your 70s. That ain't gonna work this round.

He’s too smart for a swath of America.

Working-class Black communities are increasingly frustrated with what they see as “revolving door” justice, as crime continues to affect their neighborhoods. Some are open to considering Republican candidates, signaling that the days when Democrats could rely on near-universal support are over. Democrats must now actively earn these votes by presenting a concrete plan to make working-class areas feel safer—addressing concerns about crime, violence involving individuals with mental health issues, and open-air drug dealing.

[quote]It's not just homophobia. During the 2019 primaries when asked about race or police brutality, he seemed uncomfortable and gave vague, convoluted answers.

As opposed to Joe Biden, who praised segregationists, said poor kids were just as smart as white kids, and told black voters "they weren't black" if they didn't vote for him?

[quote] Black voters will come around for Pete in 2028.

Or they will stay home

We HAVE to win.

No women, no gays, no minorities. An alpha white guy from the south or east coast is our only shot.

I fucking hate that reality.

But I hate the authoritarian, fascistic country we're now trapped in infinitely more.

[quote] Joe Biden, who praised segregationists

I never liked Kamala for trying to make that ahistorical case against Biden. When Biden came to the Senate in 1973, the body was still dominated by Southern DEMOCRATS who chaired so many of the important committees. And segregationist senators also became folk heroes to liberals back in the day. Yes, imagine that. Men like William Fulbright and Sam Ervin. The sainted liberal Adlai Stevenson picked a segregationist John Sparkman as his first running mate. And JFK would not have been elected president in 1960 but for segregationist support.

The Dems have been hemorrhaging support for years from their traditional base who feel abandoned and unheard. It’s the reason Kamala went on and on about the middle class this last election cycle.

They are also suffering from serious credibility damage around several issues, not the least of which was nominating a candidate who was clearly unfit for office and then summarily replacing him without true consensus.

Unfortunately, Pete as the nominee would only make the situation worse. Identity politics have been catastrophic for a party that was once renowned for its big tent. The foremost task for Democratic leadership is to figure out some way, any way to re-broaden the party’s appeal and shed the increasingly common perception that they only cater to the liberal elite and niche minority interests.

Black Democrats were not on board with Obama when he first ran. They came around. It's still 2025, and we haven't even reached midterms yet. Pete will be fine.

"Also no fat guys."

"Actually, no OLD guys [R24], before fat guys. 50s and 60s, at most. Don't be some old bitch in your 70s."

Brilliant strategy.

And yet the presumptive Republican nominee and at this point, probably the sure fire winner of the 2028 election will be an 82 year old fat guy.

And please, spare me the bullshit about Trump can't run again. The man wipes his ass with the US Constitution on a daily basis. Why the hell do you think he'll let a constitutional amendment stand in his way? He's got SCOTUS in his pocket, so what's stopping him?

If there is a Democratic strategy for the mid-terms and 2028, I'd love to see it.

So you're all in for an old guy r34. AFTER Biden and the disaster of 2024. Great, awesome, perfect "learn nothing ever" response.

We can't even poll properly for the midterms yet, and you want to discuss primary polling? Please.

Right r6. The Democrat’s “plantation mindset.”. You outta be ashamed of yourself for this level of stupidity.

Blacks won’t support a homo

Talk about the perfect "learn nothing ever" response, R36. You can't even say for sure there will be midterm elections in 2026, much less a presidential election in 2028, at the rate Trump is going now. Donald Trump is in charge, He's quickly silencing any and all avenues of opposition to him, so don't be surprised if the 2026 and 2028 elections are cancelled because of "a national emergency."

And just an FYI: that old white guy Biden beat Trump in 2020. You can't deny it Gavin Newsom, Andy Beshear and any other great white hope you want to run can't say that.

[quote] Black Democrats were not on board with Obama when he first ran.

They didn't think a Black could win & the wife of the "first Black president" was running.

Has he even appeared on shows.podcasts that appeal to those voters?

R22 Oh yeah?

It’s the how liberalism is being branded not race or sexuality.

[quote] Working-class Black communities are increasingly frustrated with what they see as “revolving door” justice

You sound so white it’s not even funny.

Look at you guys still believing polls. lol

R28, you're being a tad obtuse. You know damn well Biden wasn't "praising segregationists"; he was trying to make it clear how crucial it is to work WITH people in your party to advance your cause, and ideally change hearts and minds. Purity politics rarely bring about useful change.

Have you any idea how many Southern segrationists (and *barely* former segregationists) were still in Congress when Biden was first elected?

Anybody perceived by a majority of Whites to appeal _specifically_ to Black voters (or the Black "community") is destined to lose the general election in 2028.

That's what 2024 showed us. And that's the way this country is.

If a candidate is polling at ZERO or close to it with Black Democratic voters… that is valuable info.

Conversely if a candidate is polling abysmally with white Independents… that is valuable info.

If we want to win in 2028, we will need somebody who does significantly better than that on both counts.

Democrats are not going to nominate a candidate in 2028 who half the country will not vote for. That means no women, gays, or black candidates at the top of the ticket.

The Twitter crowd will protest, but they aren't the ones who actually turn out to vote and decide elections.

Depressing but likely, R49. Not that it’s true (that only a white male Dem can win as a Dem) but that it will be believed.

When a Republican is President, the Democrat in the next election only wins if the Republican incumbent has been unpopular. The Democrat loses otherwise. Hillary was trying to continue the Obama years and agenda into a 3rd term. Nope. Kamala was trying to continue the Biden administration and agenda into a 2nd term. Nope. The voters chose otherwise.

Obama won in 2008 in the ideal conditions: voters unhappy with GOP incumbent and restless for change.

The 2028 conditions will be like 2008. I hope we have the courage to nominate our best available leader and public communicator from the options, and to stay open on race and gender. It would depress the D vote to choose a “meh” white male out of defensive demographic fear.

[quote]Their votes no longer count in the grand scheme of things, so they need to stop catering to them.

Nonsense. Black votes provide the winning margin (or could) in many of the swing states. Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan. It's the black-dominated cities that will vote Dem. Same thing with North Carolina and Georgia.

Black voters are CRUCIAL to any democratic success at every level.

[quote]That means no women, gays, or black candidates at the top of the ticket.

And all the white men being considered are a joke. Andy Beshear who's boring and milquetoast, Josh Shapiro who is despised by half the party. Gavin is repulsive. J.B. Pritzer is a billionaire. Do we really want another billionaire running the country?

Buttigieg and Jasmine Crockett are the only ones knocking it out of the park right now. That's just a fact.

"Their votes no longer count in the grand scheme of things, so they need to stop catering to them."

Is the moron who posted this nonsense by any chance a Democratic party official? If he is, it explains the current sorry ass state of the Democratic Party.

[quote]Black voters are CRUCIAL to any democratic success at every level.

The truth is, older black voters want a moderate candidate. They didn't warm to Kamala, or Bernie. They want a straight, moderate white male candidate. Obama won them over because he was exceedingly moderate. Black men aren't down to vote for a woman or gay for president.

Jasmine Crockett said this in May:

[quote] "So there’s a lot of people that are like, you know what? Like, let’s go find the safest white boy we can find. I mean, I’m just saying,” she added.

[quote] “No, for real. And to be clear, when we talk about them, I can tell you that there is one specific candidate,” Crockett continued. “I had a donor on the phone with me telling me that all the donors are lining up behind that candidate. So I can tell, and I tell you, it’s not a black person nor a woman, okay?”

[quote] The party — or “they” as she put it — “When I say ‘they,’ it’s the same donors that most likely had their opinions about Joe Biden and moved … So like, that would be the ‘they’ that I would talk about,” she said.

I doubt she means Pete. Would an openly gay man really be the "safest white boy"?

I love what Pete and Jasmine are doing. Neither will ever be president. It's okay. You don't need to be on your way to the White House to be of use. It's okay. It's okay to be something else than "inevitable president."

Kamala also polled at zero percent among blacks. And we see how that turned out.

[quote]RePETE after me: no women, no people of color, no gays, Christians only.

Translation: We must placate American's who refuse to accept the reality of a changing country first and foremost, in hopes of siphoning off just enough votes for our White male, Christian, Democratic Party candidate to win. Minority voices matter to us and we still need you to turn out in high numbers to vote for him.

PS: If he is unsuccessful, though, it will be all your fault for not doing enough to prevent continued Republican Party control of government.

If a prominent Democrat just came out and stated that this next election will be focused on increasing White support for the party, would the universal hatred of Trump and the Republicans be enough to any prevent potential backlash from within the party and its voter base? This country is so completely fucked up now and by 2028, it will be even worse. Up is down, down is up and after 2024, I will not be shocked by anything that happens. All this shit is depressing.

[quote]The truth is, older black voters want a moderate candidate.

Yes, this is why the Dem Party nominated Hilary in 2016 and Biden in 2020. The older black primary electorate favored them. We'll see who runs next time.

Black voters don't like gay people. It is what it is

[quote] Black voters don't like gay people.

True of any group that clings to its bibles.

Blacks love elderly white candidates.

I think they also feel some kinship with men who speak with a drawl.

[quote]Black voters don't like gay people. It is what it is

It is unbelievable how some of you act as though every Black person thinks the same or is incapable of having different views. Its fucking disgusting.

It is unbelievable how some of you act as though every Black person thinks the same or is incapable of having different views. Its fucking disgusting.

We similarly talk about the white vote in monolithic terms. It's just the nature of politics. The Black vote. The white vote. The Hispanic vote. Of course we know that no group speaks with just one voice.

Apparently there are quite a lot of people on here who think all minorities act, think and vote as one monolithic bloc, R64.

Someone on here told me today that I, a 73 year old gay male who has been out since I was 19 in 1971, must not be a gay man because I didn't think his lame ass post was funny.

If the Democrats ignore other minorities as they did in '24, they will lose again.

R64. Black voters paid Pete dust in 2020 but Mike "stop and frisk" Bloomberg had considerable polling with them. There's no other explanation for that. Obviously is not all black people but homosexuality is most definitely a hurdle with them.

Imagine if the entire gay community was just as anti-black as the black community was anti-gay. Would Obama have won? Would Kamala even been VP?

Some groups need to look in the mirror and check themselves.

As a onetime (white) member of the NAACP, it has saddened me over the years to find that wide swaths of the Black community are not terribly liberal outside of racial matters & certainly not terribly sensitive to the plight of other minorities.

R12: very true in general elections, but for delegates there are several southern states where the Dem primary base is overwhelmingly black.

Black Voters didn't come out for Kamala; they came out for Joe. Georgia won the presidency for him. Speak to them like people, not like you expect thier vote becasue they are black. I imagine after this nightmare four years - unless Trump declares martial law or complete redifines how the presidential election works no Republican will win.

[quote] Georgia won the presidency for him.

That's in large part because Warnock was also on the ballot. His absence from the '26 ballot is what troubles me about Ossoff's reelection chances.

Trump had a negative approval in GA last I looked. Ossoff has latched onto solving the Atlanta postal nightmare as a cause. I think he'll do okay.

My prediction: the Dems "allow/permit" two white males on the ticket, as Pete is gay. He's young enough that Veep is fine for him.

There's some misguided idea that black voters are religious fanatics. It's 2025.

R72 Biden literally said. If you don't vote for him then you ain't black.

Oh do fuck off r75. Everybody knew then what he meant, everybody knows now what he meant, no amount of fake sobbing about it is ever going to be even a little bit convincing.

Pete on the other hand, seems to have a very real problem. And he absolutely has to solve it if he hopes to have the slightest chance at the Democratic nomination, ever.

I think JB Pritzker is the favorite right now. He's loved by every group of the Democratic party. Trump just elevated his candidacy today. JB has all of the charisma of Chris Christie, but smarter and without all the baggage.

Right now, I'd say the race is between Pritzker, Shapiro and Newsom.

R72 said Biden didnt expect votes from people just because they're black yet he said that. He was more transparent than most

Trannys love Pritzker. His cousin is the richest tranny in the whole USA.

Guess I need to spell it out. Biden meant you are a fucking moron and a ridiculous cunt if you are black and voting for a fucked up racist like Trump and thinking you're not going to get fucked up racism. He of course was absolutely 100% right.

Pete has a horrible history with black voters because the city he ran was majority black and he sucked.

[quote] Speak to them like people, not like you expect thier vote becasue they are black.

I am so tired of this trope.

You can't have it both ways. When it's convienent were are not a group, all individuals, also when it's convenient, we are 13% of the voting block and if you do not please us we will vote 0% for you as a block vote.

R12 That’s bullshit. Biden won primaries because of South Carolina. He was losing in white states and then once everyone knew he’d get the black vote, everyone followed.

Wrong R81, Pete did an amazing job by all accounts. The black voters in the city were pissed he dared to fire a police chief who was caught breaking the law. Black simpletons used that to claim racism since Pete was white and being gay they could hide their homophobia wrapped in racism victim hood.

This thread is representative of the in fighting that hurts Democrats.

R65 Black people are pretty monolithic votes which is the problem. Black folks have been majority Democrats for decades so Democrats know they’ll get the black vote and promise the community everything and give it to Latinos.

R86 illegal immigrants not Latinos

R84 Bullshit. If black people were really homophobic they’d vote Republican. They were apart of the gay rights party, it’s dumb to think you think they care about gay politicians.

Which is why it needs to be discussed R85.

If there is a large homophobic voting block within the Democratic party, then it needs to come out into the open and discussed like adults. Light is the best disinfectant as they say.

Pete is never going to become POTUS. He can be made Secretary of State. Whether he's actually qualified to do that, I don't know. Since he communicates well, he can just be a host of a TV show.

[quote] [Biden] was losing in white states and then once everyone knew he’d get the black vote, everyone followed.

It also helped that the establishment was worried that Bernie might nab the nomination if the party didn't coalesce around Biden.

[quote]You can't blame homophobia for all this

I can if I want to.

See, if only black people realized that Republicans are their real friends cause of their support for ... huge tax cuts for rich white fuckers.

Yup, absolutely, so many reasons for anybody to vote Republican. Well, just the one reason, really, if you're a rich white fucker.

[quote] If black people were really homophobic they’d vote Republican.

That makes no sense sine there are not any openly gay presidents they could have voted for. There are just as many gays in the Republican politics sphere if not more if you want to be honest about gay politicians.

[quote] If there is a large homophobic voting block within the Democratic party, then it needs to come out into the open and discussed like adults. Light is the best disinfectant as they say.

There's no disinfectant that's gonna get between people & their bibles.

[quote]he can just be a host of a TV show.

Your point is moot. I was a reality TV star and I was elected twice! - DJT

[bold] VIDEO LINK----------->>> Buttigieg RUNNING AWAY ----(literally) -----from BLACK PEOPLE. See it for yourself. [/bold] Buttigieg opposed a minimum wage hike in South Bend. THEN he went to a "increase minimum wage rally" in South Carolina. It didn't go well.

[bold] Black Voters in South Bend calling Pete a liar. TO HIS FACE.....LINK....[/bold]

It's too early to count anyone out. I hope all prospective candidates are working hard to address their deficits with the electorate. I have my favorites but I will enthusiastically support ANY Democrat.

[quote] He's the only one so far who can hold his own against the Republicans. He can shade the Republicans from top to bottom and look classy and dignified doing it.

Bitch, what?!! The only one?!!

As will I r99. There is a Pete Hate Troll on the DL that posts about him every month. In reality, Pete has not even said he is running and it's 3.5 year away from now. Funny how no one else is trolling about other possible candidates.

Lost Black Voters between his two mayor runs. He left South Bend because he wasn't welcome there anymore.

LINJK----------->> [bold] Mayor Pete decided to spruce up South Bend. Buy TEARING DOWN Latino and Black neighborhoods. [/bold] Why would any gay man vote for Pete? He doesn't even do a fucking thing for us. Never has. Never will. He's the elitist gay who thinks he's too special to lower himself to even go to a Pride Parade.

[quote]In reality, Pete has not even said he is running

He may not, but passing up on a run for an open Senate seat in Michigan certainly gave the appearance that he was interested in the top job.

IF, and this is a big IF, Pete should run and win the nomination and black voters sit this out in large numbers, you will see a Republican win and the end of all justice for people of color going back 100 years. You think it's bad now with Trump? Another Republican will finish off the job he started.

Don't come crying to the DL when all your rights are gone as a person of color just because you cant vote for a white gay man.

Donald Trump received historic levels of support from Black and Latino men in 2024, earning the highest shares for a Republican candidate in recent decades.

Are Democratic strategists asking themselves why? Do they even care?

Any candidate who alienates these key demographic groups cannot win elections at the national level. And professional demagogues and shit-stirrers like Jasmine Crockett and her “safest white boy” remark are not helping.

I know Newsom might be even less popular than Pete but you can't deny that he is polished and a robust fighter. Newsom has privileged white male hubris and is not afraid of Trump or MAGA.

"Honestly I'm surprised he's even getting ZERO percent"===========>>> Black voters in South Bend.

R88 only the gay rights party since 2012. It csn be argued that black voters are a signifigant reason the Democrats resisted gay rights for so many decades.

Who exactly is the "safest white boy"? They did not list a name. According to the OP, it's not Pete.

Donald Trump received historic levels of support from Black and Latino men in 2024, earning the highest shares for a Republican candidate in recent decades.

Are Democratic strategists asking themselves why? Do they even care?

Any candidate who alienates these key demographic groups cannot win elections at the national level. And professional demagogues and shit-stirrers like Jasmine Crockett and her “safest white boy” remark are not helping.

I'm sure she's talking about Pete.

Then she is talking out of both sides of her mouth as NO ONE considers a GAY MAN to be a safe bet.

R91 February 3rd with Iowa Caucuses, he finished 4th place. February 11th with New Hampshire Primary he finished 5th place. February 22nd with Nevada Caucuses he finished second place behind Sanders.

February 29th in South Carolina, he finished first place with a landslide of 48.6%.

The media went from “Biden is done” to “Biden is back” in less than 48 hours.

2020 wasn’t that long ago for people to start rewriting the narrative.

February 3rd with Iowa Caucuses, he finished 4th place. February 11th with New Hampshire Primary he finished 5th place. February 22nd with Nevada Caucuses he finished second place behind Sanders.

February 29th in South Carolina, he finished first place with a landslide of 48.6%.

The media went from “Biden is done” to “Biden is back” in less than 48 hours.

2020 wasn’t that long ago for people to start rewriting the narrative.

[quote] Bullshit. If black people were really homophobic they’d vote Republican. They were apart of the gay rights party, it’s dumb to think you think they care about gay politicians.

Some people have very short memories.

R114, the media never said he was over. They always anticipated he would rebound in South Carolina. The media also at the same time was promoting Amy Klobuchar briefly out of nowhere before new Hampshire to split Pete's vote. It was all very transparent

Can we be honest? Buttigiegs adoption "choices" ain't getting him any black votes either. I'm sorry but if you have problems with the Black Voters you really can't think two VERY white men raising TWO of them are going to magically get you cred. And living in one of the WHITEST counties in Michigan isn't helping him either.

R109 White people are still the most homophobic, they have an entire party majority white that still want to reverse gay marriage. Very small minority of black people are in that group.

So you can call the black community homophobes, they are not the ones writing or fighting for anti-gay laws or are voting Republican for homophobic reasons.

[quote]IF — and this is a big IF — Pete runs, wins the nomination, and Black voters sit this out in large numbers…

Black people make up about 13% of the electorate. The largest number of people who didn’t vote last election were white, simply because they’re the biggest share of the electorate, and many of them stayed home because Memaw and Pawpaw couldn’t bring themselves to vote for a Black Indian woman. Same way a lot couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Hillary just because she was a woman.

[quote]It can be argued that Black voters are a significant reason the Democrats resisted gay rights for so many decades.

No — the main reason was socially conservative white working-class voters, suburban Catholics, and Southern evangelicals.

The large majority of Black people today do not care that RuPaul, Tevin Campbell, Lee Daniels, Niecy Nash, Queen Latifah, Little Richard, Luther Vandross, or anyone else is gay.

There are [bold]far more[/bold] fundamentalist/Christian white voters who wouldn’t vote for Pete because he’s gay than any other group.

Anti-LGBTQ+ bias exists in every racial group.

Black voters are actually one of the least likely to sit out a general election. They’re known for being pragmatic, voting in primaries for the candidate they think can win, and usually for someone they already know.

[quote]Some people have very short memories.

Like remembering that the Democratic party didn't even accept gay marriage as a positive until 2012? Everything has changed since 2008 and 2/3rds of Americans across all groups support it.

"This thread is representative of the in fighting that hurts Democrats."

It's their favorite sport. Well, that and shitting all over Joe Biden, the only Democrat to defeat Donald Trump. If only they were a tiny fraction as vocal about Trump and the Republicans as they are about their own, but it's always so much easier to go after the low hanging fruit.

R98, those protesters were all bussed in from out of town..

R116 6% of California is black which means that’s 5% of the 41 million black Americans living in the US.

So are you saying that 5% of Black Americans represent the entire black population?

Does anyone remember when the NYT planted people in buttigieg campaign so they could get info to make him look even more racist? They had r cording devices and everything.

Pete had them PRESSED. Expect that behavior again if he ever comes near the white house.

R116 A June 2009 Quinnipiac University poll of New York voters found that Black voters were roughly split, with about 43% in favor and 42% opposed to same-sex marriage.

So there’s a difference between Black New Yorkers and Black Californians.

Almost kind of like white people are culturally different around the country.

[quote]White people are still the most homophobic, they have an entire party majority white that still want to reverse gay marriage. Very small minority of black people are in that group

[bold]FALSE. [/bold] That's not accurate at all if you look at the actual voting stats in terms of percentage of each population. The main reason being that religion drives this in both groups but whites are far less religious than black folk these days as a group.

R97 R98 R102 R103 Yes! And it the SAME with Kamala! Black people didn’t fuck with her because of her DA background in California. She sent many black men to prison.

They both had a back track record with the black community in 2020.

But whites said that blacks were too homophobic and sexist to vote for theme. That was the reason! Which shows you how racist Dems still are.

“Today, 62% of whites support same-sex marriage, as do 58% of Hispanics and 51% of blacks.”

Translation: White are the most liberal on this issue, blacks are the most homophobic.

[quote] White people are still the most homophobic, they have an entire party majority white that still want to reverse gay marriage. Very small minority of black people are in that group.

The white vote is lost to the Democrats. They haven't won their vote on the presidential level since 1964. So when we emphasize the Black vote here, it's in that context.

An "Oh, Deer" for R122. Bussed (sic) means kissed. Transport by that vehicle is a single S.

[quote] Donald Trump received historic levels of support from Black and Latino men in 2024, earning the highest shares for a Republican candidate in recent decades.

He promised them prosperity and dignity. He has failed miserably on both counts. What he meant was deporting Latino men and forcing Black men to do the manual labor abandoned by the deportations.

A little about me so you will know where I am coming from, I live in St. Joseph County, IN the county where South Bend is located but I don't live in the city of South Bend, however I have lived in South Bend in the past. I donated to Buttigieg's campaign once in 2016 and not since and have no plans to in the future. I have never met Pete and do not know anyone who knows him. I have lived in the South Bend news market for probably close to 50 years. I hope Buttigieg is not the Democratic nominee in 2028 because I am tired of losing to Republicans, if he is the nominee I will vote for him. Indiana's primary is so late in the season that it is normally already decided before we get a chance to vote.

Pete was not an unpopular Mayor, he was elected Mayor in 2011 with 10,991 votes that is 79% of the votes cast only 20% with turnout, the prior election in 2007 the Democratic candidate won with 4,781 votes which was also 79% of the vote. By 2015 Pete was generally pretty popular he was reelected with 8,515 votes which was 80% of the total with only 14% turnout. Everyone knew Pete was going to be reelected so turnout dropped. If he was unpopular there would have been greater turnout against him.

Buttigieg did not, I repeat did not, fire the first black police chief in South Bend but he probably should have. Chief Darryl Boykins was demoted for putting illegal wire taps on the phones of other police personnel in their city offices, that is illegal. In fact it has cost the city millions of dollars because the bugged officers sued the city and won large settlements. Those tapes of conversations is still a legal matter still costing the city millions over whether they can be released since the recordings were an illegal act. A special prosecutor has declined to charge former South Bend Police Chief Darryl Boykins in relation to the police tapes controversy and Darryl Boykins has since passed away.

As to the charge "Mayor Pete decided to spruce up South Bend. Buy TEARING DOWN Latino and Black neighborhoods. "

It wasn't neighborhoods that were torn down, it was blighted houses that did not meet code. No persons were evicted from any houses that were torn down, some of the houses had been purchase by minority people hoping to eventually fix them up but they were unable to do so and the houses were torn down which made some people very angry and that is when the charges of racist began, the program called 1000 house in 1000 days, was generally seen as a success because it removed houses that did not meet code and were a blight on the community. Some of the houses that could be brought up to code were done so, instead of tearing them down. Many of those lots now have brand new homes built on them.

While I don't know Pete's reason for leaving South Bend, I suspect it was the inability to be elected to any higher office in the state but it certainly wasn't because he was hated here.

There are some people deeply invested in telling lies about Mayor Pete, I don't know if they know they are lying but it all started when he first announced he was running for President, only they know their reasons. I suspect it is because he is gay. Pete was a very popular Mayor until he announced for President, then the detractors came out of the woodwork.

The problem is the black voters felt unheard and said well fuck you I will vote for Trump. Then fucked around and found out. Same with the Latinos.

[quote] So what's the problem?

He can't win, R9, that's the problem.

[quote] nominating a candidate who was clearly unfit for office

R32, it's the height of the absurdity in the country--and in your statement--that somehow the Repugs get a pass for slavishly supporting, nominating, and aiding in the election of the biggest criminal to ever hold the office not once but twice, and yet it's the Dems supporting Biden's re-election bid that was the real sin.

It's embarrassing that this guy who has never won an election higher than Mayor is being pushed as a Presidential "frontrunner."

I'm among those who's a firm no on Buttigieg, R136, but what election had Trump won before becoming president?

Pete has tried multiple times and failed. He needs to move on.

He ran once, R138.

Pete is NOT gonna be the Dem presidential candidate in 2028- perhaps further down the line. The Dems want both a strong progressive and populist figure and aren’t ready to rock the boat with a divisive candidate yet.

[quote]Translation: White are the most liberal on this issue, blacks are the most homophobic.

That’s not what the Pew numbers mean. You’re taking a single 2019 data point and twisting it into a blanket statement about Black people being “the most homophobic.”

Support for same-sex marriage has risen sharply across all racial groups, and the differences you see in that snapshot are explained mostly by factors like age, religiosity, and political affiliation and not race.

By more recent polling, majorities of Black, Hispanic, and white Americans all support same-sex marriage, and the racial gap has narrowed dramatically. If you actually follow the trend lines instead of cherry-picking one year, the story is about convergence and progress, not about who’s “most homophobic.”

R131 The central plank of Trump’s platform was illegal immigration and the promise to begin large-scale deportations. The Black and Latino men who voted for Trump did so because of it, not in spite of it. They are the ones watching videos of ICE raids at Home Depot on X and commenting, “I voted for this.”

If you really want Democrats to take back the presidency? Stop patronizing blue collar and working class men of ALL ethnicities who believe illegal migrant labor hurts American workers. The perception, whether you agree or not, is that greedy corporations and business owners are the only ones who truly benefit from it and that Democrats are actively enabling an unfair, exploitative labor market.

Making crazy accusations about Black men being “forced” to do “manual labor” is wildly counterproductive as well. And not a little insulting. There is nothing inherently demeaning about manual labor! What’s degrading is working your ass off and being paid next to nothing for it.

"Two WHITE MEN raising black children in a White Michigan County should be popular with Black Voters!! They should appreciate what Chasten and Pete have done!!"

He doesn’t have a chance in hell He’s not even a good choice for VP. and I’m a fan.

r103, He tore down houses that had been vacant for 10 years or more. he did them a favor.

[bold] When you actually live in the WHITEST COUNTY in the state of Michigan, don't be surprised that black voters are skeptical of you. 92.2 % WHITE!! Good luck with that in 2028. [/bold]

R128 That statistic is 24 years old.

A 2022 survey by the Kaiser Family Foundation and TheGrio found that a majority of Black voters support laws protecting LGBTQ+ rights, including updating the Civil Rights Act to include sexual orientation and gender identity protections (78%) and legalizing same-sex marriage (68%)

R128 Support skews higher among younger Black voters (e.g., 18–29), where about 78% support same-sex marriage, compared to just 55% among voters 65 and older

A few random comments on some of the above…

>>>To those who think Pete should sit out the race because he’s already tried and lost:

How many times did Biden run for president before he finally won? Why should there be some (anti-democratic) artificial limit on the number of times someone can run?

>>>To those who say if Pete’s the Democratic candidate, that’ll be a “hard no” for them:

So you’ll support the MAGA candidate? Or you’ll abstain and cede your voting power to a MAGA voter? Effing idiotic. If you expect a perfect candidate or intend to run candidates through a purity test, you have no idea how our political system works.

>>>To those touting the high turnout of the Black electorate:

Poppycock! In the November 2024 election, Black turnout was 59.6%. In other words, 40 out of 100 Black votes could not even be bothered.

I’ll grant you that Blacks did have a higher rate than other groups. But when the bar is that low, it’s ridiculous to be impressed by the rate at which Blacks did turnout. My god.

>>>To those impressed by Pete’s skills as a speaker and somehow think that qualifies him to run:

Yes, he speaks well, he’s a quick thinker, and - by the sickening standards in this country - a strong debater.

However, none of that is predictive of a win. The history books are littered with tales of losses by candidates either intellectual or perceived as such, even candidates proven to have positions supported by a majority of the electorate.

But how many elections do we have to suffer through to learn that this is not how average (slow-witted, ill-informed, non-reading) Americans make their choices in the voting booth.

Read about Walter Mondale and John Kerry if you want to know what happens to candidates who speak in complete sentences and even beautifully formed paragraphs, candidates who can manage well in foreign languages. Those are not American values. Or if they once were, they’re not now.

I’m no big fan of flip-floppy, corporatist Pete. But if he somehow manages to snag the D nomination, I’ll sure as shit support him.

[quote]The Dems want both a strong progressive and populist figure and aren’t ready to rock the boat

Which most people would agree who dont have a personal vendetta that Pete fits that bill. He's the only one that has routinely gone against Fox news and Bro blogs other than Newsom who only started doing that the last year. Dems on the far left actually think Pete is too close to the center which would make him a populist. And anecdotally, outside the Pete Hate Troll on the DL, 90% of the time when he's being interviewed the comments are wildly positive from mostly straight crowd who keep saying out loud they wish he would run for President.

And to add about Pete, he was voted mayor twice in South Bend and the black population is 26%.

They absolutely supported him in South Bend and he fucked they over.

I don’t understand how people think black voters wouldn’t recognize that.

Here’s what helped do Pete in.

Saying the founding fathers didn’t realize slavery was bad.

[quote] Walter Mondale and John Kerry if you want to know what happens to candidates who speak in complete sentences

I was not around during Walter Mondale, but I can assure you while I did vote for John Kerry, in no way was he as compelling and captivating as Pete Buttigieg. It's not just about Pete having a good command of the language, he really does have that special something that stands out from a crowed. Kerry was not a likable figure, for all his service was could not even successfully defend himself against Swift Boat Ads that sank his campaign. That's something Pete would never have let down.

Every time Democrats have come back after a disastrous Republican administration, they've done it with an out-of-the-box candidate. Pete is bright, sharp, and can go toe to toe with the opposition and meet them on their terms and their turf without seeming like pandering.

Gays and gay allies should already be building the foundation and infrastructure for Pete's run now, instead of falling into defeatist nonsense and old feuds. Most black voters will get on board, and those that don't will be left behind, and we'll make up their numbers from somewhere else.

It's early. There is a lot of time. Don't fall into old traps, people.

[quote] They absolutely supported him in South Bend and he fucked they over. I don’t understand how people think black voters wouldn’t recognize that.

Once again, making shit up does not make it true. Go back and read R149's post.

After you read that, please do tell us how he f-ed the black voters in South Bend. Demolishing condemned houses that no one lived in? Demoting a black police captain after discovering he illegally was tapping phones? So black people do nothing wrong in your book?

He's wrong at r152, and I'm sure he knows that's really the wrong way to think about the whole thing. He would have been better off to just say what's true, the Founders, most really even the slaveholders, did not like it, worried about it, but never could bring themselves to actually outlaw it.

However, nobody voted on that clip. Nobody at all. Not ever. Not even for a second. Nobody thought about it in a voting booth ever.

Saying he'd have trouble winning the nomination is true. Saying it's because of some old awkward thing about slavery is dingbat nonsense.

R155 That’s exactly my point — the relationship soured because of his own actions in office. The demolition plan disproportionately impacted Black neighborhoods and was criticized for lack of community input. The Boykins firing wasn’t just about “illegal wiretapping” — the whole incident deepened mistrust because of how it was handled, including the refusal to release tapes. These aren’t invented grievances; they’re documented controversies that shaped how Black South Bend residents saw him by the time he ran for president.

R156 That’s bullshit. It was everywhere and he had to respond to it.

R152 = That's hilarious. Smarty Pete teaching white kids about slavery!! Those poor slave owners didn't know better? LOL!!

His highest elected office was mayor of a small city. and don’t compare his lack of experience to Trump. Trump was very famous and that gives you a huge pass among voters. Pete needs to run for Congress before he tries for the big prize.

And someone mentioned earlier the Latino vote was becoming more important. Black voters hold disproportionate sway in Democratic politics because they’re both heavily Democratic and located in states that decide primaries and general elections.

65% of all Hispanic eligible voters live in just five states: California, Texas, Florida, New York, and Arizona.

That is why the black vote is more important.

[quote]I’m no big fan of flip-floppy, corporatist Pete.

No, he doesn't take corporate or lobbyist dollars. Maybe he started out that way but he has not done so since 2019, and you are only talking about 30k as an unknown candidate at the time. He's stuck to his commitment and has not taking anything from them since then. So I would not call that flip flopping, he made a choice as his campaign evolved and it's been loyal about his commitment ever since.

But I though blacks don't vote as a monolith R161. They should not be approached for their vote as such and yet you seem to be arguing they do.

Yes I remember this! Him being a “professional politician” and swayed by money was a big talking point about him.

Doesn’t matter if it’s true it’s what people heard and he wasn’t good at fighting that.

The only place Pete could get elected is Whiteslyvania, Idaho. And even then, I'm pretty sure Chasten is going to be a deal breaker.

The thing is, Obama wasn’t just a political figure, he was a brand, and he built that brand in a way politics hadn’t really seen before. Like Madonna in pop, he didn’t invent the medium, but he perfected the formula of cultural fluency, mastering an image, creating big moments, and was the first true social media politician.

Politicians have tried so hard to use his formula but it blows up in their nice. Beto O’Rourke’s Vanity Fair cover, Elizabeth Warren announcing her presidency with a beer, Kamala getting Beyonce and Cardi B.

Trump basically ran the “Obama formula” in reverse.

The next Democratic President should be the anti-Obama. The Avril Lavigne to Britney Spears, the Adele to Lady Gaga.

So not even black gays want him??

R163 I never said blacks don’t vote as a monolith. Blacks vote majority Democrat, there’s nothing that has ever shown otherwise.

I know you were talking to someone else about that.

In regard to Prop 8, yes, they geographically will vote different on bills that reflect whatever geographical culture is there. But that’s not party politics.

As a Democrat, I 100% wish the black vote would spread more and we had more black Republicans. I absolutely believe it would make a political difference for the black community.

I feel like Pete doesn’t want to put in the work required to build up the resume needed to run for president. He wants to be a media celebrity rather than running for the House or governor and working for the people. It comes across as laziness. He didn’t seem to put in much effort when he was Transportation secretary. He doesn’t come across as a leader or a hard worker.

R169, please go somewhere and sit down.

R135 Hey, don’t shoot the messenger!

I never suggested that voting for a criminal is any better than voting for a man suffering from dementia. You made that up.

What I did say is that because the severity of Biden’s condition was deliberately hidden and his replacement forced in at the last possible moment, a substantial portion of the American public felt lied to and betrayed.

If the Democrats are smart, they will learn from the debacle. Party unity is of utmost importance this time around. The nominee should be agreed upon as early as possible, have the broadest possible appeal and he (yes, he) should speak directly to the issues of former Democrats who have fled the party in recent years.

No matter how bad Trump fucks up, Buttigieg ain't going to be elected President.

Oooh...I saw the Mayor of Baltimore on TV today. He is super-hot (but straight). Maybe he is viable for higher office.

[quote]I feel like Pete doesn’t want to put in the work required to build up the resume needed to run for president. He wants to be a media celebrity rather than running for the House or governor and working for the people.

So tell me, just how did Trump get elected TWICE! Give me a f-ing break. This is 2025 presidential election debate not Sunday School conversation with the Nuns.

Pete campaigned as hard as any other candidate if not more so because being gay especially in the mid-west is not usually a positive. Then Transpiration Secretary over a 1 Trillion dollar budge with no major mishaps on his watch that would be in his control. He even got the Airline lobby to bend the knee a little for the little guy forcing them to pay up or get fined.

Pete, the blacks just aren't into you.

Not one voter in America will vote for a candidate because he was a successful Secretary of Transportation.

Not one.

[quote]Trump basically ran the “Obama formula” in reverse.

Trump was a Brand long before Obama was even born. I cannot stand Dump but he basically invented that idea of branding yourself in the modern era. Even with his first wife, all those parties on huge yachts in NYC were all for show, he invited the gossip mags to all of them hoping they would promote what he was selling, which was himself.

No one on the planet would call that super hot R173. You need your eyes examined.

Buttigieg stood in front of a group of Black protesting a police shooting and told a Black woman that he wasn’t asking for her vote (in a very condescending manner). Please stop acting as though homophobia has anything to do with his lack of support.

Black people also were against Senator John Fetterman from Pennsylvania because he held a Black jogger at gunpoint. White Democrats voted him in and now he acts like a Trump lapdog.

White Democrats never learn.

I really like Buttigieg - but as eloquent, intelligent and accomplished as Buttigieg is - [bold]HE'S GAY![/bold]

Anyone who says Buttigieg being openly gay isn't going to be a huge problem to being elected as POTUS is being extremely unrealistic and not living in reality (or just lying) about the beliefs and attitudes of the American public in 2025. The US is on the verge of becoming an authoritarian theocracy like Iran. Hasn't anyone noticed this? They'll vaguely tolerate us and begrudgingly tolerate gay marriage to a point because it doesn't really directly affect them - but they will absolutely NOT tolerate gays being in the White House.

If Buttigieg IS the Democratic Party's presidential candidate for 2028 then there will be another MAGA President and Republican administration elected in 2028. As sad as that is - that's where we are at in the US at this present time. If we force Americans to choose between a Republican nominee and a gay man then they will go with the Republican. And after 8 straight years of MAGA by 2032 - there will be nothing left of the US as we know it except for a smoking hole in the ground. As frustrating as it is, we must nominate a straight, white male to run as presidential nominee. Otherwise we are guaranteed to lose again and it's too important to fuck around right now. We don't have the luxury of trying something just to see if it will work after losing two recent elections with female candidates. We can't say - oh well, at least we tried...

Look - we'd all love a gay POTUS but some of you need your heads read and you have start being a lot more realistic otherwise we're all fucked.

I find it odd that only one group in that poll OP listed gave someone 0 percent. There is no way everyone else is putting one guy at the top and another at the bottom without cause. And as proven, there is no cause to put Pete there except for the homophobia factor.

Again I ask what is the actual thing Pete did that no one else except the black voting block can see?

Pete is running to make money like so many other people do. He knows he has no chance of winning. He wants a hosting gig or a podcast deal.

Jealously R182 will get you nowhere. That's not how podcast deals work. You sound like you have Pete Derangement Syndrome.

[quote]If Buttigieg IS the Democratic Party's presidential candidate for 2028 then there will be another MAGA President and Republican administration elected in 2028

Your intern homophobia is showing. If you replace the word GAY with BLACK you sound just like the naysayers when Obama ran for President.

We nominated their soul sista in 2024. Those who didn’t vote for Trump stayed at home watching Madea movies. What do you honestly think will happen when the nominee is a white gay Rhodes scholar

[quote]Your intern homophobia is showing.

What a load of absolute horseshit R184. You're lying because you completely ignored the rest of my post in order to twist it into a pathetic accusation of "internalised homophobia".

The crux of the issue is that Obama is a straight Black man and he ticked ALL the boxes. Buttigieg is an openly gay man which Americans will not tolerate in the White House as POTUS because the general US population is extremely religious and homophobic. Do I like this? No. Do I think it's fair? No. Do I think this is reality? Yes.

Just repeating - the 2028 election is too important to say "oh well, at least we tried". For example: the US won't even elect a female POTUS - let alone an openly gay man. For shit's sake be realistic.

So by all you hand wringing queens this is your view:

Pete is out = A Homosexual

Kamala is out = A Black Woman

Newsom is out = California Liberal

AOC is out = Socialist Hispanic

Bernie is out = 84 year old bag of bones

Josh Shapiro is out = Gaza is now considered a genocide by most non-Jews.

Who's left at this point that has name recognition and could pull in both the far left and centrist Dems as well as disaffected Republicans, LGBT, Hispanics and the Black vote?

Andrew Cuomo, duh.

[quote] US population is extremely religious

That is where you are wrong Gramps. It's not 1970 anymore. Religion has had a huge drop off in the last 30 years. Especially in the largest voting block which is white voters. I think it's down from around 70% in the 70's to about 40% in today's church going Christians.

Sorry Andrew, womanizes are out.

We did that already with Clinton, too much of a distraction.

I think it will be Newsom R187.

R189 - MORE horseshit from you. You are clearly not living in reality if you don't think the US is extremely homophobic. Of all the western countries - the US is the most openly homophobic. You remind me of Janbot who also doesn't live in any reality known to normal sane people. Are you Janbot?

There are around 100 million Evangelical christians in the US. This number doesn't include the Catholics (most are nearly as hard right as the Evangelicals) and other religious denominations. The MAGA cult and the current Republican Party are extremely religious and homophobic and they're getting worse as they become more and more emboldened. If they get another consecutive term, we will find out for sure how homophobic they are because they are desperate to come for gay marriage and send it back to the states to decide like they did with abortion. They've been telling us they are going to do this for years and years and we have always ignored them because they don't have the power. They do now and they have stacked the SCOTUS.

Anyway - at the end of the day, I guarantee that if Buttigieg is the Democratic Party's presidential nominee then we will lose again. Without a doubt. That's all I've got to say.

R153, oh please. The media accused him of saying worse things than that. There was a new hitpiece on him daily w they desperately tried to find new ways to smear him. He just had them that pressed and threatened. They were throwing everything at the wall and seeing what stuck with him for months.

My favorite brouhaha was when MSNBC had a conniption that he used the term American heartland in a tweet. Apparently that's a dogwhistle. (But only when he says it)

Sunny Hostin accused him of kicking black people out of their homes to demolish them. He checked her but kept the same line of questioning. Cunt. But she was all in favor of Bloomberg of course.

Oh for Fks Sake R192, those same people would not vote for Obama either. They are all MAGA which as we know are a lost cause. Come back down from your hyperbola of hysterics. Someone like Pete could win as a gay man because he is also WHITE, STRAIGHT ACTING, MILITARY, EDUCATED, SELF MOTIVATED, FIGHTER etc. Sure a black drag queen like RuPaul or Billy Porter no, will never be president. But Pete is none of those.

And lets be honest, it's more about appearance with homophobes than being gay. If you talk like them, look like them, speak their language, seem like one of the guys, you get a pass on the gay stuff. But if in anyway you come across as fem, weak or use gay speak, that's what upsets them.

Sunny Houstin is the perfect example of SOME PEOPLE who need to check themselves.

Their hate of Pete is based on false stories and lies. And they dont want to hear the truth when its called out. You might as well call them the MAGA Democrats.

[quote] Someone like Pete could win as a gay man because he is also WHITE, STRAIGHT ACTING, MILITARY, EDUCATED, SELF MOTIVATED, FIGHTER etc.

That doesn't matter. They are kicking trans men who are larger, more muscular and masculine than Pete out of the military. A 'gay' someone like Pete cannot win, there are no factors that effectively counterbalance him being gay. I hope Democrats understand this before it is too late.

Pete Buttigieg may speak a lot of languages, but he wasn’t that creative. [bold]His big idea was to threaten low income residents with fines if they didn’t pretty up their homes. Those who couldn’t afford the residential plastic surgery had their homes seized and bulldozed. He brags about this. He calls it “1,000 homes in 1,000 days”. South Bend became better looking by paying a blood price. Of course, once the city looks better, Buttigieg can claim to have “revitalised” it, even though large numbers of residents remain mired in poverty. [/bold]Those residents don’t have much of a voice in the town, and their lives and interests are swept under the rug. He was re-elected by a large margin, just like many Republican mayors. In his second term, he got really interested in traffic, just like the Republican mayor in my hometown. Calling it “Smart Streets”, he widened sidewalks, added some trees, threw in some bike lanes, and–of course–built some roundabouts.

Sanders housed more than a thousand people. Buttigieg bulldozed more than a thousand homes.

But hey, he speaks a lot of languages, and the media says he’s “very smart”.

I have said for years Pete is a Senator without a Senate. He WANTS to go to D.C. and stay there for 30 years. But he can't get elected anywhere. He just can't. And I find it hilarious. I dislike Pete because he lies. He's also a snobby gay, who does nothing for the Gay Community. His husband is lazy. His children are political tokens. Fuck this guy.

Maybe it's time for black Democrats to update their tired-ass selves?

A lot of people are homophobic, black and white. And as much as I would love to have Pete as president, it doesn't appear that the country will vote for someone who is gay, openly or closeted.

After the disaster of Trump, I want a winner. I would love to have Pete be the winner, but he's not going to be. The Dems MUST, MUST MUST have a winner, and unfortunately it won't be a gay or a woman. Plus, Pete is very smart, which is a very good thing, but he is not perceived to have a depth pf experience. Granted, Trump had no political experience, but Trump is straight and was perceived to be a successful business person even though he is not. Pete is not perceived to have political depth even though he does have the mind of great thinker and strategist. But he's gay. Sad as it is, the country will not elect a gay. Maybe, hopefully someday, but not in 2028.

[quote] And as much as I would love to have Pete as president, it doesn't appear that the country will vote for someone who is gay, openly or closeted.

The things we must put up with because of you all.

[quote]That doesn't matter. They are kicking trans men who are larger, more muscular and masculine than Pete out of the military.

Meh, not the same. Most Trans in the military you can still tell are trans, the voice also a BIG giveaway most of the time. Pete is not like that, he's actually a real man who can shower with other dudes and not get laughed at with fake male genitalia.

Dems are already hemorrhaging voters of color. Nominating a gay white male will be the final nail in that coffin. ⚰️ The identity politics that Dems have pushed have driven away POC voters even more than white ones. Any campaign where people are supposed to feel good about voting for a woman, POC, gay person is going to fail. Maybe it worked for the charismatic Obama but it’s not working anymore.

By the way, there will be books written about how little Obama got done as President. A Dem President with a Dem Congress could have done so much more.

Let’s tell all Democratic women, POC and gays that although we appreciate the votes, if they think they’re good enough for the top job, they can just get fucked. What a GREAT strategy.

Reading this thread, you learn that the old saying is true. No one hates gay people more than other gay people, then they try to turn it around and blame black people when the real problem is coming from inside the house. Yeah, let's write off Pete because some poll, 3 years out, shows that he doesn't have any traction with black democrats, right now.

R202 is Debbie Downer of the DL. Look Debbie, times have changed. Member just 20 years ago there was the Defense of Marriage act attempt to stop gays from getting married? 20 years later gay marriage is accepted by 70% of the American population.

Please enlighten us who your magical Unicorn winning candidate is. He must be straight, white, male, young, intelligent, experienced, politically savvy, aggressive, progressive but also centrist, takes no prisionors but also polite and sophisticated appealing to coastal elites and the heartland working class.

Well? Who is he? Name a name. Oh you cant name anyone right now, yeah I though so.

If only a white straight male is good enough, we may as well vote Republican

You mean like trump?^^^

Stop trying to make Pete happen. He will never be elected.

[quote]Let’s tell all Democratic women, POC and gays that although we appreciate the votes, if they think they’re good enough for the top job, they can just get fucked.

Exactly. Hey here's an idea, maybe all the LGBTQ voters should sit this next one out too since you all ok with "love the sinner but not the sin" attitude.

It would serve them right after letting politicians chip away our rights. As a gay man I am entitled to the same question, "what has the Democratic party done for me in the last 4 years other than show up at Pride events asking for my vote? Being gay should not be a guarantee Dems get my vote.

It's not all homophobia, but you're in denial if you act like it doesn't play a large part.

The only chance you'd ever get a gay president is if they came out after they won.

Stop trying to make Pete fail. He will be elected.

There fixed it for you.

Or just read past the headline of OP's post, he's still [bold] ON TOP OF THE LIST OF MOST DESIRED CANDIDATE for 2028.

Obama was not all about racism either but we pushed past that. Same can be true for being an openly gay man. In fact, if America had to choose between another straight black man and a gay white man, I would bet money on the fact they gay man would be the lesser of two evils as far as haters go.

R213: You mean like asking his grandma as a kid if he's gay? Someone who maybe did that?

[quote]How many times did Biden run for president before he finally won? Why should there be some (anti-democratic) artificial limit on the number of times someone can run?

That’s why Hillary should give it another go in 2028. It’s really her turn this time!

R81 It’s because those black majority democratic cities have so many problems spanning back decades. It’s too much a task for one democratic mayor to fix. At least he want corrupt and didn’t steal from the taxpayers.

I want Pete to break barriers so bad but in many wya she’s too late. His brand is already seen as too smart. Hes like a gay John Kerry.

He needs to angle for Veep. Homophobic voters aren't likely to vote Democratic anyway, so it's not like a drag on the ticket.

There's A LOT of what Aussies call "tall poppy" syndrome here from gays about him.

He’s not she’s. Typing fast.

Hey, R217. I assume you were being sarcastic. But how is Hillary’s health these days? I have a gut feeling she could be a more unifying candidate than Pete or Kamala or Gavin or the others. Just a random thought…

Trump is openly taking over the nations police force with made up reasons. DC first then he has targeted democratic cities as federalizing thier police force as well. This is a take over of the US and no one is doing anything.

r217 Just no on Hillary. A race she should have easily won was lost because she failed to understand just how many people Dislike her.

[quote] A race [Hillary] should have easily won

I think we now know that Trump has a special appeal to people who don't typically vote.

[quote] A race she should have easily won was lost because she failed to understand just how many people Dislike her.

R224, how could she easily have won if many people dislike her?

Sorry Pete, no invitation to the cookout for you.

Hillary also had the misfortune of trying to succeed a two-term president of her own party. That has rarely happened.

[quote] The Boykins firing wasn’t just about “illegal wiretapping”

R157, Boykins was not fired, he was demoted, for an illegal wiretapping that has cost South Bend millions of dollars in court fees and settlements to the people wiretapped. It was a dumb thing to do even though Boykins motive was a effort to weed out racism in the South Bend police department. Boykins retired from the police department in 2017 six years after the police tapes scandal. He was not fired by Pete Buttigieg.

Please stop claiming that Boykins was fired, it isn't true.

The Dems may win regardless, given Trump's fuck ups that will no doubt continue.

Even the recent news about the Supreme Court perhaps seeking to overturn same-sex marriage has pissed off a lot of Republican voters.

This is how the reliably Trump-hating Andrew Sullivan views the next presidential election:

[quote] If a Democrat wins in 2028, Trump will call the election rigged and illegitimate, and will re-stage 2020 on behalf of a successor — with the full weight of the federal government behind him. If a Republican wins, Trump will remain POTUS the way Putin stayed president after making Medvedev “president” in 2008. Trump is an instinctual tyrant, and once those characters have tasted raw, arbitrary power, as he has, they can never let go. He must either have a family member succeed him or a puppet. Don Jr or JD — Trump’s Medvedev.

I think Sullivan is right that that could happen.

[quote]Sunny Hostin accused him of kicking black people out of their homes to demolish them. He checked her but kept the same line of questioning. Cunt. But she was all in favor of Bloomberg of course.

I did not trust Bloomberg myself but he did try to appeal to black voters which Pete ....

[quote]Even the recent news about the Supreme Court perhaps seeking to overturn same-sex marriage has pissed off a lot of Republican voters.

Hopefully, since SCOTUS has ignored similar cases before, they'll keep doing it. However, this case is also about Kim Davis asking for damages Public opinion is still on the side of marriage equality, with about 68% of Americans in support, though Republican support has slipped to around 41%, so “Republicans are pissed” isn’t really backed by polling. They are just as likely to take the case and focus on the damages part of it if they take it at all.

[quote]We nominated their soul sista in 2024. Those who didn’t vote for Trump stayed at home watching Madea movies.

Fuck off, R185. Your ignorant bullshit is neither clever nor funny.

I love Buttigieg but he is nowhere near the Dem frontrunner

Trans are kicked out of the military because heu are dependent on their hormone shots and you can't be in military if you need regular medications.

R233, Buttigieg had the most comprehensive plan for black voters out of the entire field. It just fell on deaf ears.

I haven’t forgotten about his unfortunate handling of the police commissioner scandal when he was mayor.

“Dem” = reich winger

We all know who OP is.

Posting yet another wedge issue to divide democrats.

Newsom and Pritzker are running away with it, so far, but it's still early. Shapiro and Beshear can't wait too much longer to make some noise, or it could be too late for them. Pete is making noise, but he's running for VP or a cabinet position.

[quote]I want Pete to break barriers so bad but in many wya she’s too late. His brand is already seen as too smart. Hes like a gay John Kerry.

John Kerry had no personality. On paper he fit the bill, but he never came across as strong especially after not being able to defend himself with the Swift Boat ads. Pete and Newsom know how to fight back in the political sphere, Kerry did not.

Blacks tend to be homophobic, & also very hypocritical, being gay is a sin, but, having a houseful of bastards with four different partners, no problem.

What the fuck does JB know about the working class?

Also he’s morbidly obese.

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r226 Because she ignored the fact that she was disliked. She could not believe people would choose Trump over her. She was relying in her firewall of support in the Midwest and did not think she would lose. She was arrogant. Had she shifted her campaing efforts to the places she lost, focused more on Trump as a serious opponent, she would have won.

Democrats are not going to win just because people hate Trump. They hate Dems more. Right now Dems are losing Hispanics, blacks and blue collar workers. All used to be reliable Dem voters. Nominating women and a gay man for President who aren’t popular with those groups…suicidal.

R244, trump is the definition of arrogant, repubs prefer pedo adjacent trump.

I believe Trump will be either dead, or legally non compos mentis, long before 2028. I dread the idea of somehow getting Speaker Mikey succeeding him.

Trump will not be dead or demented by 2028. He’s a roach that will live forever.

r168 Why do you wish that black people would voter republican, when republicans hate civil rights and poor people?? It is one thing if you say you wish more black people voted for the green party or some progressive third party.

R243, would you say that about JFK?

Just curious.

[quote]If a Democrat wins in 2028, Trump will call the election rigged and illegitimate, and will re-stage 2020 on behalf of a successor — with the full weight of the federal government behind him. If a Republican wins, Trump will remain POTUS the way Putin stayed president after making Medvedev “president” in 2008. Trump is an instinctual tyrant, and once those characters have tasted raw, arbitrary power, as he has, they can never let go. He must either have a family member succeed him or a puppet. Don Jr or JD — Trump’s Medvedev.

It kills me to say it R231 - but Sullivan is spot on about all of this. The entire scenario he describes is practically guaranteed. Very worrying.

[quote]Nominating women and a gay man for President who aren’t popular with those groups…suicidal.

Flawed theory. In case you have not noticed, gay marriage was legalized IN MEXICO before it was in the US. On top of that their current president IS A WOMEN.

Actually I am comforted by Milky Loads Sullivan. His predictions are always wrong. Those silly Brits who come to the US as conservatives just do not understand the way it works here compared to where they came from. They think the Dems are the equivalent to the Labor Party when in fact most of the blue collar working class in America is MAGA.

Another campaign will break poor Chasten.

People don't seem to understand. We are less than one year in on four years of Trump. 186 executive orders, 66% of which align with Project 2025. Unless the Congress and/or Senate is taken back, the Republicans will have transformed the US to where elections will not matter. Thinking, oh a Democrat will win and change it all back is beyond naive. He has already made hundreds of government agencies dissapear. You just can get all those people back. Fired Independent Oversight and turned the Supreme Court,the DOJ, the FBI, ICE and now the National Guard into his own personal law enforcement service. Do you really think the US will be the same in 2028?

“You just can [sic] get all those people back.”

And their MAGA-loyalist replacements will be beyond their probation periods & thus protected by Civil Service. Although we’ve seen how little that has protected so many federal government employees..

Most federal workers have not been replaced.

Family life is sinking Buttigieg’s political ambitions.

It's going to be AOC. She's been groomed for it for a long time. I think it's earlier than originally planned, though

I have been camp pete since 2016, but damn, he fucked up bad this past week. he needs to retire

R260, what did he do this past week ? Google turns up two uproars Trans pissed that he wont say that men who identify as trans have the right to compete in women's athletics and the same kind of people mad that he isn't talking a stronger stance condemming Israel

The Trans Community (THEM website) is outraged at Pete!! Men in Dresses think the whole universe should center around THEMz!!

R229 Thank you for stating the facts.

[bold] Outsports------>>> BETRAYAL!! [/bold]

Something about the combination of a dress and penis makes people incredibly selfish. DROP THE TEE.

[bold] LGBT Nation = "disappointing" [/bold]

Trans only care about Trans. Wake up.

R265 I don’t give a fuck. It’s common sense. Anybody who think bio males should compete in female sports must don’t believe in the rationale, logic, beauty of the fucking sport being seperated by sex to begin with. How fucking stupid do you have to be. And even if you feel, co signed by contemporary science, that you in the wrong mafuckin body, how could not understand. How could you be so unreasonable. It’s fucking logic. There isn’t suppose be a difference between sex to begin anyway right. Gender is social construct. Why don’t most trannies style themselves like tomboy women. I guess it’s the same reason regular women don’t. They want the attention and glorification.

R264 Propaganda. Democratic VOTERS overwhelmingly oppose trans in women’s sports.

When Democrats stop treating the voters like the new rainbow flag with the 800 colors (which gays and lesbains don’t even subscribe to), the party will align with the voters.

R267 Exactly. In 2006 most democrats were against gay marriage, publicly stating that marriage is between one man and one woman. 20 years later trans are the foundation of civil rights? Come on now. And I love trans. I would never want to see any group disrespected. But it’s like they are trying to make up for past sins in the most dysfunctional way.

The far left Bros are upset with him because he didnt proclaim genocide and Trans issues as number one. The far left is still butt hurt about him beating Bernie in the Iowa caucuses or something like that because Bernie is not a registered Democrat. Bernie Bros just never let it go.

R269 I don’t know but they need to get it together because the democrats must take back power. I don’t even trust Trump to leave anymore at this point. That’s right I said it. The one thing democrats kept that saying we all were doubtful about was if Trump became president AGAIN, you will never have to vote AGAIN. Shit I hope it ain’t true. But at this point, I believe it to be very much possible. We have a tyrant in The White House. My British sugar daddy better honor his promises ☺️.

I am not worried about Trump trying to get a 3rd term so much as him trying to prop up Don Jr to take his place.

R268 20 years ago, trans didn’t want to be associated with gays because of the stigma of being called gay men. Trans back then were very adamant on distancing themselves to separate sex from sexual orientation, especially since their goal back then was to be able to change their SEX on their identification, which ended up happening.

Then when gay marriage started passing, they joined the chat and we had LGBT by 2007-2008.

What pisses me off about a lot of Trans MTF is once they change their gender, suddenly they don't consider themselves part of the movement anymore. The want to play Donna Reed 1950s house wife to their straight husband. Suddenly any reference to LGBT is something they don't want to talk about or admit they were a part of to get there.

[bold]Trans are selfish, miserable human beings. That's why so many of them are single. And they don't care about elections. They don't care about Pete taking flack because he won't worship them to THEIR satisfaction.. [/bold]

The WOMAN running HRC tells them they are special. The WOMAN running GLAAD tells them they are special. The WOMAN running NPR tells them they are special.. Are you noticing a pattern?

He’s make no sense re Gaza at the moment.

I have absolutely no belief in Democrats if Buttigieg is the supposed front runner. We will lose the midterms and 2028 if we don’t stop the kids from screaming about “genocide” and focusing on a barely existent portion of the populations bizarre sexual ideology.

Buttigeig is not screaming about Gaza, he's not going there with the far left. However, the "kids" are screaming about Gaza and genocide so who do you expect is a better choice for 2028?

I’ve been team Pete from the start

But that guy fucked up and fucked up bad

Everyone makes mistakes, I agree, it was not the best answer and he needs to get onboard with the genocide thing. But keep things in perspective. It's not like he has a Monica Lewinsky hidden in his background or a Stormy Daniles. It was one answer in one YouTube video. That's all.

he's pulled two really fucking big boners, the trans thing, and then the israel thing.

he's not going to survive this, and so be it

The last time he ran, he was all in on trans…even pushing the “gays owe everything to black trans women like Marsha Johnson” nonsense. Now of course he’s flip-flopped. People can see he’s inauthentic and just adopts whatever position he thinks will be popular. Also, his resume is really thin.

The trans and Gaza situations don't have to be issues if Democrats don't allow them to become issues or allow Republicans to weaponize trans and Gaza against them.

You couldn’t be more wrong re Gaza. That and Ukraine are the defining moral and political issues worldwide, of this entire decade.

Gaza! Gaza! Gaza!

He was asked if we should at least recognize a Palestinian state and he gave a non answer about Israel's right to exist.

Even though the question was about Palestine's right to exist. His answer was decent until that point.