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I never ask for help here, but I am in a quandary. And I know many DLers are extensive travelers and others know the law.

I got (I'm sure a mass) e-mail from my Panamanian lawyer's office yesterday and I can't quite figure out what to do. And before you tell me to get in touch with the office, let me tell you that, after the first contacts (before they got paid), they have never returned a What'sApp or a regular e-mail. Ever.

So here are the relevant parts of the e-mail:

[quote]We are writing to inform you about an important legal requirement that applies to all foreign nationals who already have approved residency in Panama.

[quote]As of this new notice, any resident whose address is not updated in the Immigration Registry must pay a fine of B/. 100.00 when submitting the update. The law requires that any change of address be reported within thirty (30) calendar days.

[quote]Failure to comply will result in penalties, as outlined in the decree: “Failure to report a change of address or any update to the information submitted to the Immigration Registry (Articles 37 and 87) will result in a fine of B/. 100.00 for the first offense; cancellation of immigration status for the second offense; and deportation for the third.” If you moved to a new address in Panama and did not report the change within the 30-day window, you will be required to pay the B/. 100.00 fine at the time of the update.

[quote]If you are unsure which address is currently registered, Contact your legal representative. If we handled your residency process, we may have this information on file.

OK -- I'm almost certain that when I applied for residency, they used the address of my hotel as my legal address. And I'm still not living there -- while my dog's health is still deteriorating, she still seems to have almost as many good days as bad, although the good days aren't nearly as good as they used to be. The point is, I probably won't move there until, perhaps, September/October.

What does this e-mail mean? It tells me all I'd need to do to show them I live at a certain address in Panama, but since I don't, I am confused.

I will try to get in touch with the lawyer's office, but I don't expect to hear anything back from them.

Can any of you make any suggestions? Thank you so much -- I know you'll come through for me.

by Anonymousreply 17July 31, 2025 9:29 PM

Oh -- sorry it's so long.

by Anonymousreply 1July 30, 2025 4:44 PM

Has your residency been approved yet? Either way, you haven't changed your address so maybe this applies:

Special Cases: Retirees and Residents Abroad As more days pass, specific exceptions have been clarified:

Residents currently living abroad: If your registered address is still valid in Panama, you don’t need to do anything. However, if you return and live at a different address, you must report the change within 30 days to avoid penalties.

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by Anonymousreply 2July 30, 2025 4:52 PM

Thanks, R2!! And that's my lawyers website!

So when I move there, all I need to do is go to Immigration (surrounded by creepy looking guards, BTW) and report my change of address as soon as I find a permanent place to live. And they'll know when I get there because of the date of the passport stamp.

I hope you're right, because that's kinda what I thought as well.

by Anonymousreply 3July 30, 2025 4:57 PM

Why in the world would anyone want to live in Panama?

by Anonymousreply 4July 30, 2025 5:05 PM

Because Trump's not there?

by Anonymousreply 5July 30, 2025 5:07 PM

JFC not every goddamn thing is about Trump.

by Anonymousreply 6July 30, 2025 5:09 PM

Not yet!

Plus, it's been one of my life's goals to be fluent in Spanish (I know enough to get by from four years of Spanish in high school 5 million years ago), and this will be my big chance.

by Anonymousreply 7July 30, 2025 5:10 PM

R4 - there are tons of ex-pat retirees in Panama.

Luckily, this is only a $100 fine - but I would be concerned if it increases with second or third penalty.

by Anonymousreply 8July 30, 2025 5:11 PM

Oh -- I have R6 blocked. Just sayin'.

And R8, it does.

[quote]a fine of B/. 100.00 for the first offense; cancellation of immigration status for the second offense; and deportation for the third.

by Anonymousreply 9July 30, 2025 5:15 PM

Plus, it's actually hotter here in Deplorable Haven, FL, than it is in Las Tablas, Panama, the town I plan to live in.

by Anonymousreply 10July 30, 2025 5:17 PM

r9 thank you for alerting us to who is on your blocked list. We were all waiting to hear.

by Anonymousreply 11July 30, 2025 5:22 PM

[quote] and deportation for the third.

Only if you're from the U.S. lol.

by Anonymousreply 12July 30, 2025 5:22 PM

Well, the Panamanian president has been co-operating with Trump. They held some "illegal immigrants" ICE picked up in the hotel I stayed in the first time I went there. Those folks weren't allowed to leave their hotel rooms and food was brought to them.

China owned some of the ports adjoining the canal, and (I believe) Blackstone was allowed to purchase them from China so Trump didn't have a hissy fit.

And there are American troops there, again. I heard 200 last time I checked, but that was some months ago. I have (sadly) heard MAGAts preach to me that Trump will take over in Panama and make it the 51st state. And, they told me excitedly, then, as a veteran, I'll be able to get my health care free again.

So Trump's visage looms large in Panama, believe me.

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by Anonymousreply 13July 30, 2025 5:32 PM

If I were you, I would immediately report whatever your first address will be there when you arrive. Maybe that would happen using the Customs and Immigration form they collect on the plane before you land. And then report the new address once you have found a place to live more permanently.

If you have any other concerns, contact the Panamanian embassy/consulate in your home country.

My niece has lived in Costa Rica for over 20 years. Have stopped contact with her, but she used to return to the US annually and stay with me until she arranged some sort of work visa as a teacher and had to report her new address, which seemed to change each time she returned because she would find some gig house sitting for rich people with second homes there. I used to get her mail and have to deal with this because she'd always be traveling on return to the US.

She's been fluent in Spanish since she was a teenager, which made things easier for her to deal with customs, employment, etc..

r4, because Panama is beautiful and cheap. Like Costa Rica, quality health care is affordable and the country is stable relative to other Latin American nations. The wildlife is absolutely incredible. Plenty of cons: Not sure where she is now, but my niece lived in a rural area in Costa Rica that was subject to washed out roads and bridges, and unreliable electricity. Even when the electricity worked it was cut off every evening. Amazingly, during the day she had pretty good internet service. Cell phones were rare last time I visited, but I would imagine that service would be spotty in the middle of the rain forest. I had some harrowing adventures driving around in her old Toyota Landcruiser even in dry season.

by Anonymousreply 14July 30, 2025 5:36 PM

I don't know where I'll be living, R14, but thanks for your insights.

And I thought about going to the Tampa consulate -- maybe I will. It's a 2-hour drive (in the blazing Florida sun); I'll have to make an appointment, and it's almost impossible to get someone to answer the phone there. So it's not as easy as it sounds. I'll do more research first.

by Anonymousreply 15July 30, 2025 5:42 PM

R15 - I think that sounds the best - go directly to the consulate. But even those can be flakey and some consulates have weird office hours, IMO.

by Anonymousreply 16July 30, 2025 5:46 PM

Sorry -- I was wrong at R13; it's BlackRock and Swiss shipping firm MSC. And the deal still hasn't gone through as of 7.31.25. China is fighting to keep its ports.

Read more at link.

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by Anonymousreply 17July 31, 2025 9:29 PM
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