When was Ozzy Osbourne canonized? Did I miss that?

Yeah, I’ve been pretty surprised myself.

Iron Man music

May he rot in hell for his animal abuse.

I had to step away from Reddit because my newsfeed is filled with "tributes" and cutesy memes and old photos of how "hot" he was.

Is it Gen Z? Who is behind this weird phenomenon? He's been a punchline for decades and then he dies and everyone collectively decides he was some sort of cultural icon?

Didn't you hear? Cruelty of all kinds is in this year.

And now Hulk Hogan joins him.

[quote]When did this happen?

When Ozzy became a reality show star and revealed himself to be a doddering but doting husband and father to a shrewish wife and bratty children.

The same morons are going to canonize Hulk Hogan, too.

I think our whole culture has been Trumpified to the point where we can't tell who the bad people are anymore. All that matters is fame and wealth.

OP is a moron.

With all these other deaths it may fade. Like when Hugh Hefner died before they got to the canonization, somebody more famous died and he faded from interest.

It's "Idiocracy" writ large, R8.

[quote] questionable music

Helen Lovejoy has entered the chat.

Anyone who doesn’t know how and why Ozzy is so important and beloved is embarrassing. Go back to listening to your Barbra Streisand records.

Reality TV convinced a lot of people that the Osbournes, Trumps, etc. are to be praised. I don't get it.

Black Sabbath is one of the most legendary rock bands of all time. His solo career was wildly successful, as was his reality show.

Tom Llamas is not only the anchor of NBC News, he’s also the managing editor, that’s why he LED with Osbourne’s death (nobody else did). It’s something the “kids” are interested in, I reckon. He’s all about youth!

Ozzfest was also a huge success - launching and boosting the career of many metal bands. I'm surprised anyone would be shocked. I think metal may be the most repulsive thing in the world to gay men, so I guess it makes sense that there wouldn't be much awareness of how monumental his career was. Black Sabbath is on a very short list of influential and important groups in rock.

I agree. I know he tried to atone for his cruelty but it’s suspicious he did it in the be rest place. I’ve known a lot of addicts and none of them killed animals while high. Something wasn’t right there. And his music wasn’t great

R9 is part of the idiocracy.

At least nobody is going to canonize hulk hogan

Wait for it, R19. It's coming.

R20 most wrestling nerds despise him

Fuck him.

R22, it's Gen Z behind this phenomenon of inflating every dead celebrity with questionable morals from 50 years ago to Papal levels.

Sorry meant R21^

[quote]I think metal may be the most repulsive thing in the world to gay men

I think your adherence to dumb stereotypes is more repulsive than "metal." What's most repulsive is completely ignoring the many, many acts of animal cruelty that this dead addict blamed on drugs.

The man was a psycho who was repeatedly cruel to animals. He doesn't deserve any accolades.

Thanks OP, I was surprised too. Even the ultra progressive heavily moderated forums are mourning the douchbag. They're mostly Gen X and millennials who consider his reality show part of their childhoods or something. Some claim to revere his music, whatever. These are people who crucify anyone abusing animals but go completely silent when it's mentioned. Not only did the psycho kill all his cats while claiming to be high, he killed cats and birds during Covid when he claimed to be sober.

Een PETA posted, praising his "gentle side". FFS.

If you were married to that cunt and had those cunt children without killing any of them, you’d be a saint, too.

Annoying cunt or not, but he would've been dead 40 years ago without Sharon

r23, but they are also one of the first to cancel dead celebrities too.

It seems to be all or nothing with them. Either the dead celebrity is a saint or evil. I'm not into that kind of music, but I can both recognize the contribution of Ozzy Osbourne to music and also realize he was a scumbag. Same for Michael Jackson and others.

It’s just that he has inspired many men with bad hair and false badass drag.

R25 I'm not commenting on that, just that his level of fame should be no surprise. R23 Uh, isn't it the opposite?

R26 The music is the biggest thing. News flash - Black Sabbath is one of the ten most legendary rock bands of all time.

What's wrong with Ozzie? You guys are talking about him like he Hitler. He was the dark prince of metal and a popular early 2000s reality star. Of course he was loved.

Also his wife was fired for daring to defend someone who happened to believe Megan Markle was a liar. She got a raw deal just due to black twitters royalty fetish .

[quote]it's Gen Z behind this phenomenon of inflating every dead celebrity with questionable morals from 50 years ago to Papal levels.

Yes, it's the kids these days who are lamenting the death of an elderly rock star whose comeback reality show was more than twenty years ago. That makes perfect sense.

Ozzy clips have been popular on tik Tok for years both musical clips and reality shows clips. He was adorable with his incoherent self.

Yes and now he’s dead like My Father

-Meghan McCain

R26 I hope the devil is stabbing him in the balls every day with his pitchfork. POS.

He bit the head off one bat and it was 50 years ago. It's not like he put it into his regular act and thankfully he didn't spawn many copycats. Ozzy was harmless except to himself.

Twenty, 25 years ago, DL relentlessly mocked performative grief, which was mostly associated with fraus. "OMG, I'm crying as I type! My heart goes out!" was a common refrain. Then social media came along and took the grief Olympics, as it was called, to dizzying new heights.

I think people are nostalgic for aspects of - or people in - their own lives, and celebrities are a signpost for that.

[quote]News flash - Black Sabbath is one of the ten most legendary rock bands of all time.

Actually, they really didn't have much talent. Led Zeppelin, the Rolling Stones, the Who - those people are legendary, because of their inventiveness and musical skills. Black Sabbath wrote very dumbed-down music for people who couldn't grasp anything complicated. I mean, just listen to it - it sounds like rock for pre-schoolers.

I have never heard Black Sabbath described as "a legendary band" until this thread.

They exploited the dark energies of the time. It seemed to mean a lot to the, particularly, troubled teens of my youth. The Rolling Stones and Alice Cooper, along with the Church of Satan, “Bonnie & Clyde”, “Rosemary’s Baby”, Spawn Ranch, assassinations and Vietnam made anti-heroic nihilism fertile ground for runaways and cults to flourish in the late 1960s and early 70s.

I don't know any of his songs. But he was big in heavy metal music, so I guess that is why. Heavy metal is not and was never mainstream.

[quote]He bit the head off one bat and it was 50 years ago.

He also bit the head off of two live doves at a meeting with record execs, and shot and killed 17 of his own family's cats. He blamed all of it on "drugs," which is a cop out. He's a fucking psycho and I don't care if he was the second coming of Mozart, he doesn't deserve this level of accolades.

OP/PETA can kindly fuck off.

[quote] I have never heard Black Sabbath described as "a legendary band" until this thread.

And that is embarrassing for you. Black Sabbath is the most important rock band in history.

[quote] it's Gen Z behind this phenomenon of inflating every dead celebrity with questionable morals from 50 years ago to Papal levels.

Imagine being this ignorant. Ozzy Osbourne and Black Sabbath are legendary and have been since they started decades ago. Man, this thread is full of nothing but effeminate queens who have no idea of the real world. Christ.

I love the pissed off fan here who thinks "the real world" is insanely glazing Black Sabbath on a gay website.

I blame the Dark Lesbians.

He didn't know the bat was real. He thought it was one of his prop bats. He got a series of rabies shots. The car thing is unforgivable tho

R49 I’m not pissed off and I’m not a huge Black Sabbath fan. Regardless of your feelings about that group, they are without a doubt one of the most celebrated and legendary rock groups in history. That isn’t a statement about my own taste. It’s true. They are a really big deal.

R44 it was all over the pop charts in the 80s

Black Sabbath’s music is also a lot more technically difficult than The Rolling Stones and The Who. You have no clue what you’re talking about.

Black Sabbath has sold over 70 million records worldwide,[262] including a RIAA-certified 15 million in the US.[45] They are one of the most influential heavy metal bands of all time. The band helped to create the genre with ground-breaking releases such as Paranoid (1970), an album that Rolling Stone magazine said "changed music forever",[263] and called the band "the Beatles of heavy metal".[264] Time magazine called Paranoid "the birthplace of heavy metal", placing it in their Top 100 Albums of All Time.[265] MTV placed Black Sabbath at number one on their Top Ten Heavy Metal Bands and VH1 placed them at number two on their list of the 100 Greatest Artists of Hard Rock.[266][267] VH1 ranked Black Sabbath's "Iron Man" the number one song on their 40 Greatest Metal Songs countdown.[268] Rolling Stone magazine ranked the band number 85 in their list of the "100 Greatest Artists of All Time".

I’m not even much of a fan, it’s just crazy misinformed to act like they were an irrelevant group in rock history

Look at you self hating gays defending a musical genre that is NOT pro gay.

r53 I think glam and big hair heavy rock was all over the 80s charts-- but not the type of heavy metal black sabbath was known for.

[quote]R44 it was all over the pop charts in the 80s

What? No it wasn't. Not one single of his broke the top 40. You're talking out of your ass all over this thread.

I’m not defending anything, I’m just bewildered that you guys don’t understand that Black Sabbath and Ozzy’s solo career are considered monumentally important by rock and metal fans.

Well the massive stan all over this thread calls us effeminate queens for not being the world's biggest Ozzie Osbourne fans, R56. Says a lot about fans of this garbage.

R58 I never said Ozzy, I meant metal. Hair metal definitely had its time on the charts. I have been perfectly correct in everything I’ve said. You’re ignorant.

R60 stop mischaracterizing me and gaslighting me. I mildly enjoy black sabbath and loathe all of his solo work. I’m no ozzy fan. It’s just ridiculous to claim that his career was irrelevant. No matter what you say - Black Sabbath is one of the biggest names in rock history, legendary and iconic and all of that as much as you can be. This is indisputable. It has nothing to do with me being a fan. If someone said Madonna wasn’t that famous, I’d also go after them for being ignorant. And I hate Madonna! You’re hysterical and really disingenuous.

r59 We are telling you heavy metal is a niche interest. We could show you a jazz fusion group that was monumentally important to for those into that niche genre. I would say Marilyn Manson was a bigger cross over heavy metal act.

R57 exactly what i fucking meant, what is wrong with this ozzy hate obsessed freak?

r62 Madonna had top 20 mainstream hits. Not analogous.

R63 okay, well they’re the most important group in the history of metal and beloved by the majority of classic rock fans, over 75 million albums sold

R65 ok you’re all right. Black Sabbath was a nobody act that no one remembers. My entire understanding of rock history is misinformed.

They are very important in a sub genre of rock-- yes.

He had a stable family with well adjusted children and a loving, devoted wife

[quote]I’m just bewildered that you guys don’t understand that Black Sabbath and Ozzy’s solo career are considered monumentally important by rock and metal fans.

Few are arguing otherwise. Yes, he was influential. Yes, he has his fans. We're saying he was a terrible person for his animal cruelty. You're so fixated on schooling us "effeminate queens" about rock trivia and making wild, easily debunked claims like "he was all over the pop charts," you don't even know what you're arguing against.

R70 I already explained that you misinterpreted that statement. I said metal (as in hair metal) was on the charts in the 80s. I didn’t have Ozzy in mind at all. And it seemed to me the OP was bewildered by Ozzy’s level of fame - so I just came in to explain that his music career was pretty huge. Then I started being attacked as an animal hater and made out as some kind of Ozzy superfan. It’s crazy.

R41 Conventional hip wisdom at the time was that Sabbath was a cheap thrill, and a less impactful rock band. Second tier.

But time changes things. Sabbath were true working class heroes... Stones and Who and Kinks and Zep were all middle/upper middle class Brits.

Led Zep also was dismissed a bit by the rock cognoscenti at the time , but as the decades passed their music held up and got more popular. Now no one would say Zep is second tier. Similarly Sabbath has gotten more important with the years... Tony Iommi's guitar playing (narrow guitar strings and down tuning... because of his injured fingers) was iconic, created a whole kind of rock. There would be no Metallica or Judas Priest or Van Halen or Guns and Roses or (I'd argue) Jane's Addiction or Nirvana without Sabbath. Sabbath's hard rock was/is still amazingly popular in Latin America and Asia.

His last concert was a miracle of personal effort and mutual affection. A fucking miracle.

And yes PETA posted a tribute to him.

[quote] Look at you self hating gays defending a musical genre that is NOT pro gay.

Rob Halford has been out since the late 90s and he is still loved and respected by the metal community. There is a smattering of other openly gay metal musicians, in fact there was quite a lengthy DL thread on the subject a few years ago.

How about people listen to whatever they want instead of gatekeeping. Do you think gays only should like showtunes, pop divas, and disco?

I do not think the level of posthumous acclaim this guy has gotten is warranted.

IMHO.

[quote] I have never heard Black Sabbath described as "a legendary band" until this thread.

You are full of shit. They are considered the beginning of heavy metal. That alone makes them legendary regardless of whatever personal feelings you have about Ozzie.

R54, thank you. Can anyone listen to a song like "Planet Caravan" and claim Black Sabbath was just a dumb metal band? They were not. Paranoid (the album) has gotten more popular with time and it does VERY well on Spotify.

[quote] Led Zep also was dismissed a bit by the rock cognoscenti at the time , but as the decades passed their music held up and got more popular. Now no one would say Zep is second tier

Led Zep was massively popular when they were making music. Their music is actually less popular now. Pink Floyd and (especially) Queen are more popular today than Zep.

PETA is a joke, R72. No one takes it seriously. Animal rights activists (real ones) consider it a front to discredit the larger movement. They have no moral standing. They're notorious for high euthanasia rates at the shelter they run. Not a credible organization and never really was, they just created a lot of hype with publicity stunts and outragous statements and the moronic news media lapped it up..

[quote] Do you think gays only should like showtunes, pop divas, and disco?

Many gays really do believe this. Many in their 40s and 50s are still desperate to keep up with with the latest pop divas

R77 My point was that Zep was not hugely popular among hip/smart rock fans and critics. They were enormously popular in terms sales and concert attendance. Their appreciation by "critics" has expanded in recent decades. And yes, Pink Floyd has steadily increased in respect and popularity for decades.

R80, my bad, I see what you are saying now. I thought they were always appreciated by critics, were they really dismissed at the time?

[quote] Actually, they really didn't have much talent.

This is laughable.

R82, it's the typical stan/detractor mentality that pervades the internet. There is no nuance.