1 out of 5 young people 18-29 now say that the Holocaust is a myth, new Economist/YouGov poll shows

Your pole is from 2023, so I don't think you should say 'now say'

That's fucking depressing. Mehdi Hasan has a new video in which he's debating 20 Republicans. Although some of them turn out to be avowed fascists, one of them very proudly speaking of admiring Nazis. Mehdi even gives him a chance to clarify and he doubles down. This is the thing that really bugs me about the people who deliberately conflate criticisms of Israel and Zionism with anti-Semitism, when REAL, true, virulent anti-Semitism is GROWING on the Right.

I went on Facebook for the first time in months yesterday and apparently it's dead, so Zuckerberg decided to just randomly put group posts and random celebrities in my timeline. One of them was some asshole libertarian sharing a bunch of Holocaust denial memes. I was disgusted. The world is broken

Well, we do live in a pretty dumb society.

I do think there’s a little bit of holocaust fatigue going around the Internet. God knows since Elon took it over Twitter it has become a Nazi hellscape so there’s no shortage of examples, but I’m talking about normal people. Not the people who are trying to be deliberately hateful.

Zionist Jews tend to regard the holocaust as the worst thing that’s ever happened to humanity and while it is one of the worst, other genocides have killed millions and millions more.

I’m linking a video that’s a bit of a long watch, but it’s definitely worth it to see how some Jews think that they have a lock on human suffering in a way that other groups just can’t understand.

How did Holocaust denial ever become a thing. Did the descendants of the Nazi themselves start this shit like in the 60s or something? It’s incredibly foul. Imagine being a Jew, this horrible tragedy happened to your ancestors, and then a movement starts to deny it. Humanity is sad.

The parents need to step up and teach their children a thing or two. My father went as far as reading my text books in high school and discussing various subjects with me. Dumb parents = dumb kids.

[quote]Your pole is from 2023, so I don't think you should say 'now say'

Oh, dear...

Depressing, but not surprising at all. R2 is correct, it is growing on the right, but it is growing on the far left as well, it is growing at the extreme ends of both sides of the political spectrum

r4, your slip is showing.

I’m sure they’re even dumber now. You know they have no idea about World Wars l and ll.

[quote] but it is growing on the far left as well, it is growing at the extreme ends of both sides of the political spectrum

U gonna offer an ounce of evidence to go alongside this assertion of yours or are you just saying things again R8?

R11 I can only post one link at a time on here. There's links to more research in this one

[quote]Because of the link to Adolf Hitler and the Nazis during World War II, antisemitism has previously been assumed to be a right wing phenomenon. However, it has always existed across both sides of the political spectrum, as previous scholarship has shown. More recently, the Equality and Human Rights Commission found that the Labour Party committed unlawful acts in relation to antisemitism during the period of Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership, highlighting the problem of antisemitism on the contemporary political left.

Myth! Myth!

Another one, there's a bunch of further links inside this paragraph in the document

[quote]Moreover, since the 1980s, the influence of antisemitic ideas on the far left has emerged as a concern for many scholarly observers (Billig, 1984a, b; Bolton, 2020; Fine and Spencer, 2017; Hirsh, 2007; Johnson, 2019; Julius, 2010; Rich, 2018 [2017]), and an argument has been made that conspiracy narratives used by both right- and left-wing populists possess an inherent potential for linkage with antisemitism (Bolton and Pitts, 2018, pp. 214–219): as one observer puts it, contemporary antisemitism transcends the ideological differences associated with ‘opposite ends of the political continuum … by travelling … through the connective tissues of enduring tropes’ (Elman, 2022, p. 112).

Why did they preface the question as "being about Israel" vs Jews, Germany or Europe--or better yet, nothing at all.

Doesn't seem particularly scientific. I wonder what the response would be without that.

One of the greatest frustrations I’ve faced as I’ve gotten older is realizing that most people still only learn through personal experience. You can tell them, show them videos, or give them books—but many will either deny the reality outright or insist, “It doesn’t feel that bad.” People rarely believe something until they’ve felt it themselves.

When I was younger, I believed that good education was the key to a better life and a better world. I’m no longer convinced that it’s enough.

R12 Ive only read this link not the one at 14 (I don’t have all day) but nowhere in that link does it say anything about antisemitism being a growing problem on the left, it just says it exists on both sides of the political spectrum, like you said. In fact it offers the idea thay it’s more broadly related to certain political rules a person has for themselves (conspiracy theorist etc) which doesn’t necessarily sign with either left or right (Altho I think we all know from being online that conspiracy theorists lean right). You’re doing this thing again, where you think posting a link to something kind of similar satisfies your ideas, but it doesn’t sorry.

Sorry in my comment above the “like you said” was supposed to be earlier in that sentence, after “growing problem on the left”

Make them watch Night & Fog in high school like we had to.

The Left is now outranking the Right when it comes to Holocaust denial. Blacks and Latinos make up the greatest number of those denying. Someone on Reddit explained that the black community is offended that they always have to hear about Jewish oppression and not their own, that their own has to do with the country they’re in, whereas Jewish oppression came out of Europe a century ago. How true any of this, who knows?

That being said, WWII is a long time ago. It’s like Boomers learning about WWI. They just don’t care nor see the relevance.

I am definitely observing more antisemitism coming from the Left than the Right. However, I’ve always felt that the Right is using us.

[quote] Someone on Reddit explained that the black community is offended that they always have to hear about Jewish oppression and not their own, that their own has to do with the country they’re in, whereas Jewish oppression came out of Europe a century ago. How true any of this, who knows?

My god.

Education naturally leads to rational thinking, socialism and non-violent respect for other humans. It tears down superstitious hierarchies like racism, religion, fear of hedonism, masculinity/homophobia, etc. That's why oligarchs will never let humanity become as educated as millennials were when Obama was elected; it would spell the complete end to modern power systems. Humanity has to regress educationally to maintain hierarchies; that's what's happening to young people.

How do they explain where all those Jews went?

[quote]The Left is now outranking the Right when it comes to Holocaust denial.

[quote]I am definitely observing more antisemitism coming from the Left than the Right.

If you say so, OP.

There's extant footage of the soldiers liberating Buchenwald. That footage is rarely shown because it is so unsettling, but maybe it should be required in schools, maybe for sophomores or juniors in high school, so that someone can't just say, "well, there's no evidence, is there?"

But at the moment, our government is actively trying to erase gruesome history of white people killing and torturing black people, so whoever said that the history of black people is not being told on reddit might be reacting to that.

"Slaves were learning useful skills" is now required teaching in Florida school standards.

Ok, so I had a glance at your link at R14. It uses the exact same data as at R12 so maybe you should read your own links before repeating them.

I do think the below from R14 link is fascinating though

[quote] However, support for totalitarian government was only found to predict ‘old’ antisemitic attitudes (measured using the Judeophobic Antisemitism or JpAs subscale) and not ‘new’ antisemitic attitudes (measured using the Antizionist Antisemitism or AzAs subscale)

Which is just basically saying that any criticism of Israel is inherently antisemitic. It continues this fallacious line of argument in the article. This is….bullshit frankly and there’s no other way to describe it. It’s complete dishonest, much like you are v8. You’d be better directing your efforts to the children currently facing mass starvation because of the actions of the state of Israel, but something tells me you don’t give a shit about them.

R27 so you will discard anything presented to you because you dont like the conclusions. Dishonest much?

Children are facing mass starvation in Gaza because of Hamas, who steal the aid and then sell it. Israel is trying to work around that problem with the GHF

Why do I even bother, no point in talking to you, but at least other people in this thread are aware the problem exists on both ends of the political spectrum May as well block, you can have the honour of being the first one on my block list

[quote] Children are facing mass starvation in Gaza because of Hamas, who steal the aid and then sell it. Israel is trying to work around that problem with the GHF

Link please. Is Israel also working around the problem of bombing Palestinian children?

Well, 5-7% of those in that group have no high school degree or equivalency.

Some in this survey don't know what the term Holocaust means - seriously.

Then you have edge-lord young males. So - none of this is surprising.

Many of them were afraid to ask what Holocaust means - or more clearly, what about the Holocaust is a myth? Just saying Holocaust is a myth isn't a great survey question.

This is the end-result of poor parenting and poor teaching.

r28, your response to r27 is a bit ingenuous. Yes, it's quite possible, even likely that Hamas is stealing some of the food and selling it. But Israel has been blockading Gaza for nearly 2 years, and there's almost no arable land there, so it's not possible for the Gazans to get food other then by importing it. Most of the infrastructure for distributing food has been destroyed by bombing. Children are affected more than in most locations because the age distribution in Gaza is such that half the people living there are under the age of 18.

Unfortunately, positions have hardened. Israel had widespread support and sympathy after the Oct. 7 Hamas attack. But after nearly 2 years of frequent bombing, and the loss of up to a 100,000 Palestinian lives, many people around the world are questioning whether the current Israeli government has any intent to end the conflict.

[quote] so you will discard anything presented to you because you dont like the conclusions. Dishonest much?

Not at all R28, are you stupid? I asked you did you have any links that showed that “antisemitism is a growing problem on the far left” which are your words. You didn’t, and I said so.

I commented on the conflation of the second article re antisemitism and criticism of the Israeli government because I found it so objectionable. These are two separate thoughts.

Holocaust denial is what the pro-Palestinian, anti-Israel people want to see. They won’t be satisfied until there is another anti-Jewish Holocaust,

[quote] Yes, it's quite possible, even likely that Hamas is stealing some of the food and selling it

And to whom would Hamas be selling it to? All those Palestinians flush with cash?

[quote]Some in this survey don't know what the term Holocaust means - seriously.

I would agree with this.

I have encountered more than one student (university-level) who has told me they had a grandfather fight in "the war." When I ask them to clarify ("WWII? Korea? Vietnam?"), their eyes glaze over.

There is a large Palestinian diaspora - up to 6,000,000. I'm sure that relatives in the US and other relatively wealthy nations send money to Gazans, either directly or indirectly. However, I doubt it's going to translate into billions of dollars for Hamas selling stolen United Nations food. I'm sure Hamas has its fingers into every available pie, but there's not THAT much money to be had. I've always assumed that Hamas gets a lot of its aid from Iran, but Iran has had its own problems recently, so I don't know how that's working.

Oh please, v8fairy lied on a thread before where the subject was Israel shooting and killing Palestinians who were lining up for food and aid, and said it was Hamas that were killing them. When I pressed for a link, he did exactly what he did here, posted an unrelated link, pretended what he said was not what he meant and disappeared from that thread also. One of the most despicable commenters on this forum. Totally amoral.

I used to think how could something like the Holocaust happen, how could people sit around and do nothing, what type of person would allow something like this to happen etc, and some specific commenters on here (considering current events) give a very good example of what it took. It’s so depressing.

R31 agreed but it is also the internet. The internet has a wealth of factual historical history that otherwise could be difficult to access and instead millions are just getting conspiracy theories, is information and flat out lies to tell them about history. My husband watches a lot of WW2 and Holocaust documentaries with actual footage and I can’t always stomach it but it is there. I was not shown any of that in school. The right doesn’t want anything about slavery or the native genocide taught in school, either.

I am surprised by that figure. How were they asked? They might not know the word "Holocaust" (yes, that generation is fucking stupid), but more than 80% know, and believe, that the Nazis killed millions of Jews. Unless that 20% is the 20% of racist redneck Trump lovers out there.

R39 - actually you bring up a good point.

I'm part Jewish and I watched a lot of Holocaust films and documentaries in the 70s and 80s as a young child - probably too young to be watching it, but things were different then.

I distinctly recall when Schindler's List came out, some of my co-workers said they were so shocked by the film. They did not know about the Warsaw Ghetto, the trains, the shootings, what the camps were like, etc.

They knew of the rounding up of Jews, but not the scale or what it was like. Like HOW DO YOU NOT KNOW THIS? They were college grads from good universities. I couldn't believe it - still can't.

Some people aren't interested in history or would rather watch something else less depressing. Ok. But at the same time, there are millions of Americans who really don't know much about slavery in this country either.

My whole family watched Roots - I was 7, I think. Nowadays, kids and young adults have the programming tailored for them - and many are just really ignorant of anything since 2000.

Sorry, I forgot to add that I'm a history teacher/former professor. That figure does surprise me because even Texas has extensive mandated Holocaust education.

We need to start focusing on teaching about Stalin and Mao. Maybe then the little commies will shut the fuck up. I know a ton of college kids who think China is better than the US. A lot of this brainwashing is coming out of universities headed up by mental cases.

The generations have been getting dumber and dumber for since the 70s.

A love letter intercepted by nazis

R21 As a secular Jew in a very liberal American city, this is exactly my experience. I have definitely noticed an increase in antisemitism (not being confused as anti-Zionism). The right always had it, but it has become quite acceptable among liberals now.

Asteroid NOW

And I wonder what percentage of the 1 in 5 are Trump supporters.

[quote] And I wonder what percentage of the 1 in 5 are Trump supporters.

You don’t have to wonder about the party affiliation. The same poll shows the breakdown. 10% of Democrats believe the Holocaust is a myth compared to 6% of Republicans. 7% of 2020 Biden voters believe it compared to only 4% of Trump voters. 14% of urban Americans believe it compared to only 3% of rural Americans.

With the rise of antisemitism on college campuses and in big cities, these results are what would be expected. Democrats have a lot of work to do to root out the antisemitism among its voters, especially in the younger ones.

[quote]You don’t have to wonder about the party affiliation. The same poll shows the breakdown. 10% of Democrats believe the Holocaust is a myth compared to 6% of Republicans. 7% of 2020 Biden voters believe it compared to only 4% of Trump voters. 14% of urban Americans believe it compared to only 3% of rural Americans.

This has less to do with party affiliation and more to do with racial breakdown.

[quote] This has less to do with party affiliation and more to do with racial breakdown.

You’re saying that in your mind if the Holocaust deniers are black or Hispanic Democrats, it doesn’t count?

[quote]The Left is now outranking the Right when it comes to Holocaust denial

Wake me up when a major donor to "the Left" does a literal Nazi salute at a presidential inauguration

Or, R52, when the leader of the Democrat Party casually dines with a well-known Holocaust denier.

R52 I don't see that on the left. The things that liberals say are that the holocaust is exaggerated (rather than it never happened) and that Jews control the narrative of everything because "they" control the press and have the money. Stuff like that has become completely acceptable.

R53 - that never happened. The Right is chock a block with Nazis and their helpers desperately want it to be a 'both sides' thing when it just isnt.

You totally misunderstood my point, R55. I was expressing solidarity with R52, adding that, unlike Trump dining at Mar-a-Lago with Nick Fuentes, there would be no example of a counterpart breaking bread with a Holocaust denier on the Democratic side.

"I distinctly recall when Schindler's List came out, some of my co-workers said they were so shocked by the film. They did not know about the Warsaw Ghetto, the trains, the shootings, what the camps were like, etc."

There was a movie on TCM the other day called "None Shall Escape." The movie was filmed in 1943 and released in 1944. There are scenes in the movie that accurately depict Jews being machine gunned, Jews being herded onto trains to the East, the Nazi mistreatment and disdain for Slavs and other "untermenschen," and predicted the use of war crimes trials for Nazis.

If a movie that was produced 2 years before the war's end can accurately tell the story, I don't know how anybody can claim they didn't know what was going on. Even in the 1930s, there were stories in the American press about the brutality of concentration camps like Dachau. At that time, the camps were mostly "reeducation centers" for political dissidents (i.e. Communists, Socialists, Jews) and not extermination camps, which would come later.

I just want to add, the information was always available, if you cared enough to search for it.

Joseph Pulitzer did a major report on the concentration and death camps that was published in his newspapers shortly after the war ended.

R29, Saudi Arabia donated water, which has been found for sale:

As for Israel having shot people gathering for aid, that sounds horrible, but I have heard many horrible stories out of Gaza that turned out to be fabricated garbage from Hamas, amplified by respectable media sources. The most recent was a lie in 2023 after October 7. Reports came out that Israel had bombed a hospital causing multiple casualties. It turned out that Islamic Jihad had launched a rocket which fell short of Israel and landed in a hospital parking lot. IIRC, no one was injured. I expressed doubt here on Datalounge after the initial reports and was attacked.

I do not think Israel or the IDF are saintly. I'm just skeptical about horror stories that appear to have a Hamas source.

[Quote] The most recent was a lie in 2023 after October 7. Reports came out that Israel had bombed a hospital causing multiple casualties. It turned out that Islamic Jihad had launched a rocket which fell short of Israel and landed in a hospital parking lot. IIRC, no one was injured. I expressed doubt here on Datalounge after the initial reports and was attacked.

According to whom? You state the Israeli/US narrative as if it’s fact.

But thr funniest thing about your pearl clutching about “HAMAS LIES!!!” is that Israel bombed and invaded every hospital in Gaza — every single one.

What's wild is that I remember in the 70s, thinking WW2 and the Holocaust were so long ago. It was only like 30-35 years prior.

The equivalent of the 1990s today.

In terms of racial disparities in how it is viewed, I believe some African-Americans feel like the 7-8 years of the Holocaust gets a lot of attention, meanwhile the hundreds of years of slavery, black oppression and discrimination today is somehow seen as lesser than the Holocaust.

It's a grievance comparison/competition. From a black person's perspective, they see Jews doing well and succeeding. At one time, many businesses in ghetto areas were owned by Jews.

Even as misguided or uninformed as this thought may be, I can understand how it happens or where it comes from in the black community. Plus, there seems to be an effort in the past few decades to create discord between AA and Jews in this country, when they worked together so much in the 50s and 60s for civil rights. It feels intentional.

The mistake the Nazis made was, they should have just said “there were communist partisans standing behind all those Jews. Don’t blame us, blame the partisans!”

I have been shocked at the amount of antisemitism displayed by the left since Gaza/Palestine.

I have been shocked at the amount of anti-Israel displayed by the left since Gaza/Palestine.

FIFY.

r62 it goes back further than that. The NAACP was founded in large part due to Jewish involvement and funding (in 1909)

R61, here's a story about the aforementioned incident. Can you contradict it with photos or evidence of the alleged hundreds of dead bodies?

After the Cast Lead operation, I read lots of stories about "starvation" in Gaza because of the blockade. Awful stuff, but it turned out to be bullshit. Again.

[quote]But thr funniest thing about your pearl clutching about “HAMAS LIES!!!” is that Israel bombed and invaded every hospital in Gaza — every single one.

It isn't funny, and I am not clutching my pearls. Hamas does lie. Again and again and again. And Israel has bombed lots of hospitals in Gaza, quite possibly every single one. And Israel has adduced evidence that Hamas has used hospitals as operation centers. I do not know whether every bombing can be supported. I just caution you and others against automatically believing allegations coming from Hamas.

Have you any comment about the photos of Saudi water aid being sold?

R67 doubling down on the Israeli narrative. Your source is Israeli.

Read the Forensic Architecture report on the bombing. They reviewed the evidence twice and both times came to the conclusion the ordnance came from Israel.

[Quote] Hamas does lie. Again and again and again. And Israel has bombed lots of hospitals in Gaza, quite possibly every single one.

So what does that suggest to you about Al-Ahli? Use your words.

And still no comment on Saudi water being sold.

You doubt Israeli newspaper links. I doubt Forensic Architecture.

Well, I was about to add this to my previous comment, but you chimed in at r70, so I'll post a separate comment. The IDF has admitted to bombing other hospitals. The dispute has been about whether those bombings have been justified. That suggests to me that if the IDF had bombed Al-Ahsi at that time, it would have so admitted.

Zionist logic at its most stellar!

If you find my comment illogical, r73, please explicate.

R71 "I doubt Forensic Architecture"

Me too.

What a shock that Islamophobe and Zionist Andrew Londre criticizes the FA report, r75!

Best you’ll be playing Netanyahu’s comments on it to further prove it’s not correct.

[Quote] If you find my comment illogical, [R73], please explicate.

Seriously? Ok.

If you do something awful and lie about it, then you do the same awful thing 20 more times and give up lying about it, that doesn’t prove your lie was true. See how that works?

Are you aware that war is often used as a cover for acts of revenge? Did you know that some accidents and acts of violence are attributed to the other side to maintain a (relative) veneer of innocence? Back in WWII, many Polish intellectuals, officials and aristocrats were found murdered in Katyn forest. The USSR blamed the Nazis, and given their horrific behavior, the USSR was believed. It turned out to have been a Soviet action, not Nazi.

So, it's not a bizarre idea that Hamas took an action by someone sort of on its side and blamed Israel for it. There's a ready audience for anti-Israel news.

You seem to have assumed that Israel was lying all along and are now looking to justify that assumption. You can now launch a parallel suggestion about me., though I know I'm willing to believe IDF members have committed crimes and made errors in judgment.

[quote] What a shock that Islamophobe

You say that as if it’s a bad thing. Islam is a cancer. It’s a barbaric ideology that wants you dead.

Pretty much the work of the MAGA, who in the same breath say Jews must be protected on campus, but they were never hauled into ovens and burned. The dichotomy of the right Jews over Muslims, but also fuck the Jews.

Here's a thread you can ignore about Hamas claims of Israeli atrocities that turned out to be false.

R61: Even Hamas stopped pushing the story about that particular hospital "bombing." It was an errant Islamic Jihad rocket that landed near the hospital, killing IIRC several dozen civilians who were encamped there. Big embarrassment for the BBC and other media, which reported that the hospital itself was obliterated when it hadn't even been hit. Reality isn't all or nothing; there's been tons of bad reporting from Gaza, but also real atrocities. For example., I do think that shootings of civilians trying get aid has been happening. Netanyahu's is massively unpopular, desperate to avoid new elections, and needs to keep the war going in order to hold his extremist coalition together. It's not even a war now, more like a bloodbath out of the Roman Colosseum.

R76 About Andrew Londre

I think it indicates a lot about the intellectual abilities of most of our zionist commenters that they expect people to take antisemitism seriously, while being Islamophobic in the same breath. Either religious based discrimination or hatred is bad, or it’s not.

R84 I haven't said anything Islamophobic nor do I think it's okay. Perhaps you should avoid lumping all Jews or Zionists together like that. You are making assumptions that you shouldn't.

[quote] And still no comment on Saudi water being sold.

I didn't comment because your source was tiktok and too ridiculous to respond to until you decided to double down.

My younger brother isn’t an outright denier but he does think the holocaust is “exaggerated”. I can’t even talk to him about it. For the record, our grandmother had a part-Jewish father who was murdered when they raided villages in the Odessa Oblast (my great-grandmother, who wasn’t Jewish, fled with the kids through Poland and to Germany from where they left for the US after the war).

Anti-Semitism is exploding on both the Left and the Right. Claiming it's not happening on the Left is a lie, but an expected one by those who are focused on hating "Zionists".

I saw this coming a long time ago - the right wing propaganda machine has been hyperfocused on targeting online male spaces, especially gamers, since at least 2008 or 2009.

They don’t make sense, r84, but they don’t particularly have to.

They’re just here to flood the zone with shit, posting comebacks to every criticism of Israel. They do this, shamelessly, no matter how stupid or hypocritical their replies.

What this does is bootstrap a narrative that the Israel/Palestine conflict is “contentious” — rather than simply stating it wrong to invade people, take their homes, and murder and starve them until they give up and leave, or all die.

Once it’s over, and they’ve completed their holocaust against the Palestinians, they’ll shut up, mission accomplished, and shrug, saying, “maybe we were too harsh but it’s over now.”

That’s one of the jobs of this arm of the Israeli occupation army, and I wouldn’t be shocked if some of the drivel posted by the Zionos on here is coming from this unit:

R85 I wasn’t directing that at any specific commenter. I also used the word “most”. I’m not sure which other comments you left. No need to get so defensive.

A Catholic friend of mine, a Jew, asked me if I agreed that one could be opposed to Israel without being an anti-Semite. I said that one could, like me, be an opponent of the current, most far-right, administration in the history of the Israeli state, without being an anti-Semite. I parted company with her when she threw out the G word. It's so out of the top, ahistorically wrong, that it does seem to me to be informed by some real anti-Semitic animus. So I do see that as a unifying force among the extremes on the political left & right.

R90 Oh wow! Datalounge has been infiltrated by the Zionist entities. I'll bet you don't trust those Jews either. You know how "they are".

Antisemitism is a millennia-long mental habit of casting Jews as the negative side of whichever dichotomies govern your world view -- the humanity-threatening "anti' to whatever it is that you're for. For Christians, the "law" versus the spirit; for Communists, capitalism, for the traditional right, communism, etc. Anti-Zionism becomes antisemitism when it casts Israel as a humanity-threatening arch-foe, the key enemy that needs to be defeated. It's silly to think that the right or the left are more prone this; it's deeply embedded in Western thought generally and infinitely protean.

And when we're talking about young people in general, ascribing antisemitism to one ideological bent or another is particularly absurd, since we're largely evaluating tiktokkers regurgitating the babble they've picked up from other tiktokkers, or at best, some adjunct professor somewhere. Antisemitism is just an ingredient in the stupid stew.

To me the most remarkable thing about many Gen-Zers isn't their ignorance of this or that facet of history, because that's true of all of us, but that they don't seem to grasp "history" as a basic concept -- that is, they really don't get that things 50 years ago, or 100 years ago, or 2000 years ago, weren't the same as they are right now, right here -- and in particular, that the notions of race and identity that prevail in America circa 2025 aren't human fundamentals that exist and existed everywhere and throughout time.

R92 a large group of genocide scholars (several of them Israeli) agree that what Israel is doing to Palestinians in Gaza constitutes a genocide. Are they antisemitic?

I think the amount of fussing about whether or not criticizing Israel amounts to antisemitism is a massive drain on energy that could be used to stopping the genocide from happening. Children are being starved to death and the whole population is facing an enforced famine. And everyone’s sitting around going “don’t ask Israel to stop starving them it could be considered antisemitic”…. like what are we doing here?

Is Zorahn Mamdani one of the deniers?

Is that why he refused to vote to honor Holocaust Awareness Day for the last four years?

[quote] a large group of genocide scholars (several of them Israeli) agree that what Israel is doing to Palestinians in Gaza constitutes a genocide.

It is a way for them to be relevant. Without modern "genocides" on which to weigh in, what currency do they have?

R97 you sound nuts sorry.

Holocaust 2-Trump’s Revenge . Maybe they’ll believe.

If the Israeli government was truly genocidal it wouldn't have routinely warned Gazans to evacuate areas pre-strike. Just one example.

So if Hitler had given a 24 hour notice to the Warsaw Ghetto, it would have been ok?

But he didn't, R101. Facts matter.

[quote]I think it indicates a lot about the intellectual abilities of most of our zionist commenters that they expect people to take antisemitism seriously, while being Islamophobic

If you post something like that, you should be able to point out some examples. I, for one, have not posted anything Islamophobic.

[quote]I think the amount of fussing about whether or not criticizing Israel amounts to antisemitism i

Huh. Have you ever seen people whine that criticizing Israel is not antisemitic before anyone actually accuses them of being antisemitic?

[quote]Children are being starved to death and the whole population is facing an enforced famine. And everyone’s sitting around going “don’t ask Israel to stop starving them it could be considered antisemitic”…. like what are we doing here?

Please, tell Hamas. Perhaps they will share their food.

[quote]But he didn't, [R101]. Facts matter.

I think the point is would it have made a substantial difference? None of the people in the ghetto had any means to get away. Practically everyone in Gaza is in the same situation.

Those facts matter, too

To the uninitiated here, the word "Zionist" is a slur word. And like other slur words, its usage connotes a very small mind.

R100 Nazi policy up until 1941 was for Jewish people to emigrate from Germany, does that mean the holocaust didn't happen?

[quote]I didn't comment because your source was tiktok and too ridiculous to respond to until you decided to double down.

Oh, dear, TikTok is not reliable enough for you. FWIW, Imshin reads Arabic-language social media posts for information contradicting media claims. That seems to be the only saved link I have on the subject. Maybe I'll find something else around the web. Until then, here's a video of Hamas stealing aid:

R109 You're funny. You replace tiktok 'source' with X. Just give up Imshin or whoever you are.

[quote] Islam is a cancer.

This guy is complaining about and accusing people of antisemitism on at least 3 other threads R103.

[quote] while being Islamophobic

There you go again. Go try living in an Islamic country as a woman or a homosexual and get back to this… if you’re still alive.

Christaphobic.

R112 I don’t think you understand my point.

According to a chilling report in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, IDF commanders are ordering soldiers to fire directly into unarmed crowds lining up for food. The policy has been dubbed Operation Salted Fish — the Israeli name for the children’s game “Red Light, Green Light” — in an act of cruelty straight out of Netflix’s Squid Game.

The four aid sites for the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation began operation in May, and since then Haaretz confirms at least 19 shootings, with more reported. “It’s a killing field,” one IDF whistleblower said. “Where I was stationed, between one and five people were killed every day.”

From Haaretz:

The distribution centers typically open for just one hour each morning. According to officers and soldiers who served in their areas, the IDF fires at people who arrive before opening hours to prevent them from approaching, or again after the centers close, to disperse them. Since some of the shooting incidents occurred at night – ahead of the opening – it’s possible that some civilians couldn’t see the boundaries of the designated area.

Are those IDF soldiers beating Palestinians picking up aid? Or are those Hamas members?

[quote]I think it indicates a lot about the intellectual abilities of most of our zionist commenters that they expect people to take antisemitism seriously, while being Islamophobic

Remember when the Zionists crashed airplanes into the World Trade Towers killing 3000+ people in an hour?

Oh, wait...

Kids that age believe what their parents believe.

Let it go r114. People like r112 will never understand how many muslims would prefer to live in a pluralistic, officially secular society.

Well, r119 it doesn't appear to be very many now, does it?

Apparently it is depending on where one lives r120.