Europe Has Fallen

Fallen to what OP.

I don’t see any corroboration.

SkyNews Australia is the Australian equivalent of NewsMax and Fox News.

Savages.

Some posters should just stay on youtube.

Europe is well on its way to destroying itself. It is most likely too late to stop the islamization of the continent and replacement of European culture.

Yes, Europe, famously a single country, has "fallen". 🙄

These fuckers are just frustrated Labor has trounced their patrons again.

How stupid, get a life

The world is sick of immigrants.

Time to start closing borders to immigrants.

Islam is all about peace.

Fuck off both of you cretin numbskulls

Reminds me I haven’t seen “Lefties Losing It” in a hot minute.

[quote] many people seem to feel it's accurate.

Rather than "falling" and immigration this is probably a much greater problem. When did people start accepting feelings as a gauge for accuracy? When I grew up they taught us that you need to know and learn as much as possible in order to understand the world. Now it's increasingly accepted to just go by your feeling. And on top of that, people report what others SEEM to feel.

Has the world really become that difficult to understand so that these mental shortcuts are necessary for "many people"?

I think the Europeans are more worried about their cities being overrun by tourists and North American expats driving up prices.

[quote] Rather than "falling" and immigration this is probably a much greater problem. When did people start accepting feelings as a gauge for accuracy? When I grew up they taught us that you need to know and learn as much as possible in order to understand the world. Now it's increasingly accepted to just go by your feeling. And on top of that, people report what others SEEM to feel.

Huh?

It’s so funny to me… don’t people realize that immigrants and immigration have been around since the beginning of time? People leave areas that aren’t good for areas that are. If you don’t want it, the areas that have wealth in abundance should help those other areas develop so they won’t want to leave.

^btw Europe is a prime example. Immigrants fled Europe in the time leading up to WWII and then after because Europe was pretty poor. Now no one leaves Europe to immigrate to the U.S.

The problem isn't really immigration, R16.

The real problem is badly behaved immigrants.

People who leave their shithole country behind, for a better country, and then bring all of their shitty ways with them.

They don't try to assimilate. They don't try to lift themselves up.

Instead, they (and mainly their kids) end up trying to turn their host country, into the same shithole that they left.

Where's the sense in that???

Immigrants must respect their host country, and do everything they can to assimilate.

But that is not the case at all in Europe.

Muslim immigrants want to turn European countries into Muslim countries.

African immigrants bring all of their violence with them into European countries.

If that's the case, then go back to where you came from (if you like it so much).

R16 All these immigrants will destroy the European countries. Europe developed a democratic polity. Not many countries outside of Europe or European descent have been able to create strong democracies. The way wealth is built up in Western Europe and the Americas is because of the development of strong institutional capital markets, recognition of intellectual property, and contracts as enforceable. Additionally, Christianity played a huge role. The left does not want to acknowledge it.

R18, that is absolutely not true. Damn I accidentally stumbled into a right-wing nut gab fest. Sorry about that, I’ll make my way out.

[quote]All these immigrants will destroy the European countries.

Europe was quite diverse until WW2, when forced movement of millions of people created the ethnic homogeneity you seem to think is natural.

[quote]Europe developed a democratic polity.

It was forced on Germany and Italy at gunpoint. France wasn't so hot either. Switzerland didn't let women vote until 1972.

[quote]Not many countries outside of Europe or European descent have been able to create strong democracies.

Many countries of European decent created hideous, murderous dictatorships. And those strong democracies were happy to do business with hideous dictatorships.

[quote]The way wealth is built up in Western Europe and the Americas is because of the development of strong institutional capital markets, recognition of intellectual property, and contracts as enforceable.

This helps, one supposes, but the European Empires (that didn't end until around 1955) helped. If you look around Brussels, the wealth that you see on display was largely robbed from Central Africa at gunpoint, under the most hideous circumstances. The great fortunes of the English upper class were created on the backs of slaves at sugar plantations. It's only until after WW2 that Europe started to behave in a way that you think it's always behaved.

[quote]Additionally, Christianity played a huge role.

Ireland was the most Christian nation in Europe and was the poorest. Same with Portugal. It was only when they secularized that they grew rich.

There aren't enough W&W buttons to push for that post, R21.

Well done, and thank you.

There have always been empires, often very violent ones. Muslims have as much if not more blood on their hands than anyone else, but they'll behead you for saying the truth. Oddly, only Europeans are singled out as the only imperialists or enslavers, when islamic imperialism and slavery continue to this day.

None of what R21 says really matters. Every nation state has a right to its own border, culture and homeland, and, yes, this can be based on race. Europe (and every country in it) has basically signed its death warrant unless it finally gets some backbone, closes borders, enforces its values, laws and rules ruthlessly. There are cultural reasons why most of the muslim-majority countries are shitholes. Ditto for Africa which was really destroyed by African socialist dictators (educated in the west) in the 60s and 70s. Africans are destroying each other on many levels, that is on them.

[quote]Europe was quite diverse until WW2, when forced movement of millions of people created the ethnic homogeneity you seem to think is natural.

False. Yes there were Jews, but Arabs and Africans were pretty rare.

These people have their own region of the world, we don't need or want this in the West.

I don't need a bunch of Bogans to define the state of Europe for me.

[quote] Europe (and every country in it) has basically signed its death warrant unless it finally gets some backbone, closes borders, enforces its values, laws and rules ruthlessly.

So basically, European countries need their own versions of Donald Trump?

Well, don't worry. It already seems to be happening.

Meloni in Italy, Erdogan in Hungary, Alice Weidel in Germany, and Marine LePen in France.

[quote]False. Yes there were Jews, but Arabs and Africans were pretty rare.

London and Paris both have had very large African, Arab and Desi populations for well over a century. Yes, there are more of them now but the difference seems to be that they want political representation and the colonial overseers hate that.

Plus, the populations of the wealthy former imperial centers are aging. You need younger workers. Are you really so racist that you'd prefer a poor, all-white country as opposed to a more wealthy, more diverse one?

Yeah, probably.

[quote] Plus, the populations of the wealthy former imperial centers are aging. You need younger workers. Are you really so racist that you'd prefer a poor, all-white country as opposed to a more wealthy, more diverse one?

Japan doesn't seem to be suffering, even with their aging population.

They are probably the strictest country when it comes to immigration, and it has served them well.

They don't suffer from many of the social problems that are plaguing Europe and the US right now.

And the workers they actually do import, are not given citizenship, and must return home at some point.

THAT is how you handle immigration.

r28 that's a very uninformed and simplistic view of things.

Even the Dalai Lama is against mass third world immigration. He said "Europe, and for example Germany, cannot become an Arab country".

[quote]They are probably the strictest country when it comes to immigration, and it has served them well.

They're also one of the strictest countries about gun ownership. Only shotguns are permitted in Japan, and if a person wants to own one there is a long written exam and a mental health test. They know how to do gun control.

Europe is fucked. The English and Spanish right-wing riots are just the beginning. This will get much worse in future years.

Europe here. We’re fine and we send our love.

It is an issue in the US & Canada, too. To illustrate some points R18 makes....

Has there ever been a group of immigrants to the US saying shit like thus, out loud no less? Fuck these people.

Sure, R34, sure. Keep telling yourself that.

[quote]They don't suffer from many of the social problems that are plaguing Europe and the US right now.

Sure they do. Rural Japan is empty of young people. Anyone with a brain in their head gets the hell out and moves to the cities where there's work. There's no one to staff hospitals or act as carers for elderly Japanese whose children have moved away. Their pension systems are in danger. The choice is becoming tax wage earners even more highly or let the growing number of retired Japanese slip into poverty.

[quote] Japan doesn't seem to be suffering, even with their aging population. They are probably the strictest country when it comes to immigration, and it has served them well

Yeah, aside from 30 years of economic and wage stagnation, a collapsing birth rate and population, they're doing great! 🤡

R21 is wrong on all things. A leftist who wants open borders. Maybe you have a desire to be thrown off a roof?

What is it about some homosexuals who are blind to blatant, murderous hostility?

Don't try the Christians are just as bad bullshit. Only you are that dumb to say that shit in the face of the fact that homosexuality is completely accepted in the western world.

Some Americans can be very naive about how things really are in European countries. Many of us grew up with Muslim friends and neighbours, and we know they are not all extremists.

Get up, you sloven whore!

I've said this before on DL but if Muslims were lily white Anglo Saxons the West would tell them to fuck off and have zero tolerance for their Medieval bullshit, just as Western liberals do with Christian Fundamentalists all the time.

R41, the alleged peaceful muslims are irrelevant.

Christian fundamentalists are in the midst of a coup in the US.

R16 It’s not the immigration itself, it’s the refusal to assimilate.

R40 I saw a video of Palestinian protesters torturing a puppy. Evidently dogs, especially black ones, are “evil.” I’m so sick of these primitive religions based on superstition. How do they persist in this technological age?

Fuck Islam.

Also, the video didn’t get any traction in the mainstream media. What a surprise.

Muslims hate dogs. It's part of their religion.

This thread has accomplished what it set out to do through OP's faux naivete: brought a bunch of far right locust trolls together.

^^^Actually, I'm relieved others are aware of what is going on and the implications. I am well aware the truth is very disturbing to many and they chose to deny, rationalize, minimize to make reality bearable. I completely understand but I will not remain silent or be frightened of being called meaningless names like far right, racist or islamophobe. I know history well and I have never been one to run from the obvious.

Sir, this is a Wendy’s.

Or, rather, activated their sock puppets. One of them (and his alter egos) is *really* into "Dexter."

[Quote] Islam is all about peace.

Islam is all about peace as much as Christianity is about loving thy neighbor.

[Quote] Don't try the Christians are just as bad bullshit. Only you are that dumb to say that shit in the face of the fact that homosexuality is completely accepted in the western world.

Who’s the dumb one here…?

[quote] Yeah, aside from 30 years of economic and wage stagnation, a collapsing birth rate and population, they're doing great!

With the rise of China’s looks like the western world will follow in Japan’s footsteps

[quote] Who’s the dumb one here…?

You.

For people like R55 who need a diagram...

That’s a good graphic for your genderqueer Globalize the Intifada friends.

At least, R54, Christ never said to kill your neighbor, nor did he commit mass murder, enslave men, women and children, or rape a 9 year old.

Why, yes, Europe is doin just fine this mornin!

R37 and R38 have you ever been to Japan? I have spent considerable time there and know people living there, it is nowhere as bad as you make out. It is one of the most functional societies in the world - not perfect, but nowhere is.

[quote]They're also one of the strictest countries about gun ownership. Only shotguns are permitted in Japan, and if a person wants to own one there is a long written exam and a mental health test. They know how to do gun control.

R32 this is true. Its helped by the fact that nobody (bar a small number of rural owners for vermin control and the like) really needs a gun in Japan as it is so safe, so gun ownership is miniscule as it should be in any sane, functional society

[quote] Muslims hate dogs. It's part of their religion.

Muslims just hate, period.

I second what R62 says. I am far from an expert having spent only two weeks there, but it is a society that I would call magnificent.

Just what Ireland needs, military age Afghani men.

I’d move to Japan before I’d move back to the UK.

Where do you live now, R66?

R24 yea—it’s not like Arabs or Turks ever ruled over large sections of Europe.😵‍💫

They did r68. What does that have to do with the modern era of migrants?

^^^You mean they were evil colonizers?!!! Next you'll say they had slaves.

[quote]yea—it’s not like Arabs or Turks ever ruled over large sections of Europe.😵‍💫

And they were tossed out on their asses.

R24 but Arabs and Africans were pretty rare.

Me Wrong.

Arabs and Africans were certainly not in the numbers they are now.

There were even more of them

^^and it was chaos

The race baiting here is pretty weak.. I’ve seen better action from the klan grannies on old theater threads. Step it up, bigots.

r76 your argument is tired. It's really not about race, it's a about one civilization that is totally incompatible with another.

Oh no! Can it get up??

That’s not actually an argument— but proceed…. Enlighten us on your analysts of comparative political theory.

analysis *

It certainly is an argument r79. You have one set of people whose ideology is completely opposite Western ideals and whose ideology encourages conquest and submission. You are ignorant of 1600 years of Islam if you think otherwise.

You type like a Steven Miller tweet on replacement theory. Islam is only 1415 years old—FYI. LOL

r82 it's not replacement theory, that's just lazy. It is a real threat to the West, though. Just as it's always been. But just keep making fun of a typo LOL

The Islam apologists here just live in their bubbles and aren't really connected to reality.

R82, if you like Islam so much, and think the religion or their practitioners are friendly towards gays, why not go live in one of those countries? Where are the human rights?

r85 naive people like him are oblivious and live in their own world.

Ignorance of the basics is not a good look on a know-it-all.

Look over there — >. Brown people!

Another teafake thread.

[quote] Where do you live now, [R66]?

On far right social media.

R87 So, brown people are exempt from treating sexual minorities with equal rights? Brown people, because of religion or other reasons, are exempt from not killing or discriminating against gays or other religious people? So, in your view, Brown people are not human and can act out. Dont use race or color of the skin as an excuse to not treat everyone with dignity and as deserving of a decent life.

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The Sky is Falling!