Epstein Files situation seems to be heating up

Damn, pretty bold of Mike Johnson. He's such a constant coward and serf. I wonder if more is going on behind the scenes than I had thought, and he's trying desperately to send up a flare.

If any files are released they will have been thoroughly scrubbed of any Republicans.

Is it anything to do with “true believers” against pedophilia or are they just trying to proactively save their ass? I think it’s the latter.

Moses Mikey and GQP are worried about the midterms. They want to throw the cult a bone without actually doing anything about the Epstein files because they know Dear Leader is all over them.

Oh and MAGA podcast douche Charlie Kirk is flailing and now reversing his reversal, i.e., not dropping the story.

I figured out a while back that there are no Epstein files if by that you mean a list of people he forced his "sex slaves" to service. Epstein was a disgusting perv who took advantage of silly young girls, but there is very little evidence that he ran some sort of sex ring. Ghislaine Maxwell is in prison because she was convicted of trafficking girls to Epstein. Even if there were only one underage girl involved, it would still be a crime.

Damn, it's all unraveling so quickly. Love it.

Get cracking, bitches. Somebody better be throwing together a list of clients, although that will probably all fall apart by Monday when, surprise, surprise, it's all Democrats from the Clinton Administration and, well, that's just not selling Mr. President.

Sounds like it's time for the Israeli plan B, limited hangout

[quote] But on Monday, [Charles Kirk] said, "Honestly, I'm done talking about Epstein for the time being. I'm gonna trust my friends in the administration, I'm gonna trust my friends in the government to do what needs to be done, solve it, ball's in their hands."

Don't look now, Doc, but I don't think they're solving it. On the other hand, balls in their hands sounds about right.

[Quote] but there is very little evidence that he ran some sort of sex ring.

Suuuuure, “Badger.”

I suspect that many GOP reps/senators loathe Trump. He’s completely emasculated them (including the women) and makes their lives hell. But they have to suck his dick or he’ll destroy them.

I think this stupid scandal—and it’s incredibly stupid but marvelously delicious—is the excuse they need to start turning on him. I’ve long suspected that if his imbecile supporters started to turn on him, they’d relish the opportunity to do so, as well.

I doubt anyone thought the scandal would escalate so quickly. But makes sense. It’s the cherry on top of his broken promise sundae. We’re bombing Iraq, supporting Ukraine, which he said wouldn’t happen. Inflation is up. Job market is fragile. Eggs remain highly priced. Then there are the tariffs and the destruction of our relationship with allies. They’re even upset about his cruel immigration tactics. Epstein represents all the lies the merrily slurped up during his campaign.

I’m loving every goddamned minute of it! I highly doubt this will bring down his presidency, but the cracks in the foundation will be very difficult to repair.

R12, that’s some great (and scathing) analysis of it all. Thank you!

I don't believe Virginia Giuffre, who lied about a lot of men.

Fergie? Stop.

[quote]Oh and MAGA podcast douche Charlie Kirk is flailing and now reversing his reversal, i.e., not dropping the story.

What a cuck!

I’m really enjoying seeing all the fraud fall apart. Their dear leader was best friends with Epstein. They couldn’t go on much longer thinking that Trump was an innocent party. And now they finally see he is part of the “deep state” of elites.

[quote] Epstein represents all the lies the merrily slurped up during his campaign.

Worse. They all, collectively invented these lies, and turned them into a core part of their religion. That's what makes this all so dangerous. This ain't the usual shit, where Trump just giggled his way through lies about Haitians eating pets and immigrants killing everyone in sight and whatever the fuck he was saying about the "Biden crime family."

This was a whole damn thing in the fever swamps, their reason for living, their sacred cause, SAVING THE GODDAMN CHILDREN FROM THE RICH PEDOPHILES. He can't just do his usual shit here. They ain't about to just let it all go.

The entire QANON cult is based on Dems being pedos.

God I wish for everything to come out and the whole evil rotten thing lay exposed

So who is on this list? I suspect Alan Dershowitz, Prince Andrew, Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, Bill Richardson, and Les Wexner.

I don't think Trump is on the list because the Biden team would have leaked it.

I have a feeling it is Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton, and other very very high ranking people. I think Trump and Bondi understand this, as you can't control the Beast this will release if everything is exposed.

Please try to sound a little less desperate r22. You're not helping.

I don’t think there is a list. But there are probably names littered all through the investigation files. Most of them have already been mentioned in prior news stories including all the ones mentioned here. Supposedly there are several affidavits from victims naming their abusers.

It might not be a literal list — probably more like a hodgepodge of the starting pieces of an investigation.

As such it’s likely Trump is in there but not explicitly incriminated, but even just being in there is potentially politically damaging.

[quote]Epstein was a disgusting perv who took advantage of silly young girls,

This is a remarkably offensive comment. May I assume you're one of DL's resident misogynists?

Trump was Epsteins bestest best best bestie for years, and no doubt fucked underage girls on Epstein Island. I do agree there probably is no list, per se, but all kinds of files and all kinds of incidents and he's all over that shit, no doubt.

I think it will be hard to determine who exactly went to the island and who didn't because he met with so many people.

Some, like Ehud Barak, who used Epstein as a financial advisor will be on the flight log and is most likely innocent, while others like Woody Allen, who have reputations for being creeps, are probably sex clients and went to the island.

Bibi nominated Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize for doing this. Epstein was working from Mossad. Maxwell’s father had an Israeli state funeral. She’s also connected. Epstein had no education. He had ties to all these VIPs thanks to the Israeli government and he was blackmailing them. His so-called hanging is something Mossad has pulled off countless times like Russia throwing opposition out of windows.

*for

True r28, and on top of that, apparently they would fly to St. Thomas and then take a boat or a helicopter to Epstein Island, so flight logs are going to be very ambiguous. I doubt they can track down boat logs and private helicopter logs, if they weren't fudged or nonexistent to begin with. I suspect it does come down to victim affidavits and witness statements and that kind of thing. But there's always, or often, something, some little forgotten clue that tells a bigger story, some receipt, some comment, some missing few days here or there. As I said, not sure there's a "list" but there are definitely files and records of some kind.

If I was Bondi, I would appoint a special counsel to investigate.

If you were Bondi, r32, you wouldn't. It's not like anyone in that circle of crooks wants to actually know the truth about anything. They want to figure out the best way to cover it up, and appointing a Special Counsel would not be the way to go on that.

Oh look

This is distracting from what is happening with ICE and inflation and the economy, and the impact of the tariffs and his Big Beautiful Bill. That's all. And Johnson would have never said that if he had not cleared it with the White House. These people are so entirely corrupt and dishonest, but they are very good at Theater. Hegseth withheld weapons and resources for Ukraine and didn't tell the White House? Really? Putin has 50 days? LOL! Netanyahu is pissed off at Iran. Trump is trying to placate him. Iran is an ally of Russia. This shit is circular. It's bullshit. We can be entertained by it but please do not let it distract you from the shit mess we're facing.

It's the only part of the shit mess they actually care about r35. This is absolutely not planned or set up as some distraction from other things. This is the shit they are terrified of, the shit that actually pisses off their idiotic base. The rest of it is actually more like the distraction. This is the problem as far as this White House is concerned.

It *does* seem trivial and stupid, but anything that weakens and undermines Trump's base or breeds mistrust among his supporters is hugely valuable, because his power to do whatever he wants re: ICE, tariffs, etc., stems from the unthinking support he gets. When Joe Rogan starts voicing doubts about (a) the Epstein issue and (b) ICE at the same time, that's pretty potent.

Didn't Ghislane say there were tapes? Or was that a fever dream I had? Or am I mixing Epstein up with Hef? There's got to be something out there, somebody knows.

I have a feeling a lot of the analysis in this thread so far is just cope because we feel so powerless and so we're grasping at straws to feel hopeful.

Personally, I'll wait for the midterm results first to determine how much (if any) impact this has on the GOP. As for the impact on Trump, he couldn't care less, he's on his second term anyway and has free reign until January 2027. Assuming they lose the House or the Senate, which isn't a given at all.

The damn list

Oh, he cares r39. He cares. It's really starting to piss him off, especially since his desperate and stupid attempt to just ban all discussion of it has fallen apart. I'm not sure what effect it will have next year, but for now, these cunts are terrified, as are their whores and grifters throughout the Cultosphere.

There was a list of all the people Epstein socialized with or flew on his private planes. But there is no direct evidence that they partied with young girls. Plus the names have been out for years including Trump, Clinton, Bill Gates, Prince Andrew etc. What would be new information?

Let's Gooooooo

[Quote] I don't believe Virginia Giuffre, who lied about a lot of men.

Yes I think she was lying too, “Badger.” She clearly was just in the neighborhood and just happened to wander into Epstein's home at the precise moment a photo of Prince Andrew was being taken.

Ever the gentleman, Andrew gracefully included her in the photo.

These things happen!

I'd hate to be Epstein about now.

I think The Israelis are going to have to put a bullet in his brain and bury him out back, toss him under some Gaza rubble in a mess of Palestinian women and children

Oddly, Virginia Giuffre worked at Mar a Lago, for Trump, in the spa, when she was "discovered" by Jeffrey and Ghislane. Hmmm. Sure it means nothing, because nothing means nothing, ever, when it comes to Trump and Epstein.

Sociopaths don't commit suicide when faced with prison time. They're all about self- preservation: they fight. They become obsessed with appeals, retrials, new evidence, etc. Casey Anthony, Elizabeth Holmes, Harvey Weinstein, Scott Peterson, Drew Peterson, Puffy, O. J., Lori Daybell, R. Kelly, the Menendez Bros... how many of them have attempted suicide?

R22, and if Clinton were on the list Trump would have done a press conference announcing it.

But now Trump is claiming that Hillary and Obama just made up the list.

If that doesn’t tell you something it should.

He was murdered. He would have murdered Bill Richardson or Les Wexner if they spoke out.

Rep. Thomas Massie introduces a bill:

"We all deserve to know what’s in the Epstein files, who’s implicated, and how deep this corruption goes. Americans were promised justice and transparency. We’re introducing a discharge petition to force a vote in the US House of Representatives on releasing the COMPLETE files.

A discharge petition is a procedural tool for bypassing leadership. In 7 days we can start collecting signatures. At 218 signatures, the House must vote on our bill requiring a full release of the Epstein files.

If your Representative won’t sign the discharge petition, ask why."

Well damn. Something else about Massie, he's kind of becoming Elon Musk's guy. He's getting money from Musk but also getting floated as a possible candidate in Elon's (largely fraudulent, but still) brand spanking new political party. I don't know that that party will ever actually get off the ground, but I do think Musk is pushing Massie at this point, and that includes pushing this Epstein stuff, for now.

We’re just friends

Epstein Summer

Well, the millions of dollars Andrew gave her weren’t fake.

Priceless that Spacey's waded in, naturally provoking memories of his sitting on thrones at Buckingham Palace next to Ghislaine Maxwell. This post-modern decadence will run and run.

Kevin Spacey?! I had no idea he was named as a visitor to the island. This is turning out well for him at a crucial time when he needs all the free PR he can get.

It is delicious to see him lose control of his base. He's become so used to being able to make proclamations and have the base, congress and even the Supreme Court yell, YES MASTER, bit now he thinks he has the power to tell them to shut and it turns out, he doesn't have that power with the NOTORIOUS EPSTEIN LIST.

Epstein was a Mossad asset. They can’t release the truth because it would make ongoing US support of Israel untenable, which then have massive geopolitical implications.

If Elon helped himself to any files, including photos and videos, he needs to casually dump that shit on the dark web already.

Awkward JD Vance tweet from back when he was anti-Trump and willing to condemn everyone connected with Epstein.

“Remember when we learned that our wealthiest and most powerful people were connected to a guy who ran a literal child sex trafficking ring?” Vance wrote in 2021 on X. “And then that guy died mysteriously in jail? And now we just don’t talk about it.”

The Democrats should start chants of “release the files of Trump’s best friend!”

Can Democrats (theoretically) sign this discharge petition?

[quote] Epstein was a Mossad asset. They can’t release the truth because it would make ongoing US support of Israel untenable, which then have massive geopolitical implications.

ילדה חכמה.

It's a nice boomerang on Trump for his birther nonsense back in the day.

Well now that the big bullshit bill is passed Trump isn’t really needed anymore.

If I were Trump I’d be paranoid that this whole thing was JayDine’s (and Thiel/Musk/Yarvin) move to get rid of me and make Smokey eyes the incumbent dictator.

(I certainly think that there are tapes and that Trump is in them, but the could have kept on postponing indefinitely. Saying there is no list makes no sense.)

Ha! We need someone like Hilary or Obama to agree with Trump and tell him to NEVER release the files and we must all move on. MAGAts would storm the capitol again looking for those fucking files

Hand-jobber Lauren Boebert suggested ( with a smile) that a Special Counsel be appointed and that it be Matt Gaetz. Serving cunt or serious?

[quote]...he doesn't have that power with the NOTORIOUS EPSTEIN LIST.

Plus this'll put a nice big dent in those preposterous hopes for the Nobel Prize. Recently kept alive of course by Bibi. Hilarious when Trump met Rutte the other day and the Felon went into a monologue about all the wars he's recently solved. Apart of course from those very big ones. So yes, unsettling times for prize-hungry Trumpy. Prepare for more desperate would-be distraction.

Hillary could destroy Trump right now by saying “Thank you Donald for safekeeping the JE material as we have privately discussed and agreed. It is for the best, as you, especially and personally, well understand.”

Why does MAGA embrace sexual predators like Trump and Gaetz? They are all up in arms about Epstein but in denial about Trump and Gaetz. I don’t get it.

Another "interesting" detail...

The GOP are jackals who will eat their own young

Nobody cares. Everyone not only knew Trump was a pedophile, but that he probably had Epstein killed in prison. ALl this was common knowleddge even among brainwashed cultists.

[quote]Trump: I don't understand why the Jeffrey Epstein case would be of interest to anybody. It's pretty boring stuff. I think really only pretty bad people, including fake news, want to keep something like that going.

Because bad people do generally tend to be drawn to boring stuff.

Didn't the Republican House vote unanimously to block thev release of the Epstein Files, yesterday? After Mike Johnson said they should be released? (yawn.) What really get me is the way the Media is hyping this whole thing.

Anyone expecting to make political hay out of this is going to be majorly disappointed.

Trump could be caught in bed fucking an underaged girl and no one would bat an eye. Hell, in certain circles, it would only make Trump more "manly" and "virile."

It's a distraction

I hope it goes on for months. They have put themselves in a corner and they can’t get out.

R73 you could not be more wrong.

And this child rape political blackmail affair is not going away

Fair point R76… but with Trump, he’s 79 and soon a political lame duck, and he is obviously slo-mo collapsing, cognitively. People are sensing an upcoming Trump-MAGA power vacuum, 2027 at the latest, and very possibly sooner. This Epstein thing feeds into that dynamic.

His base won't desert him over Epstein. Now some of the Extreme Right Media machine may be disappointed t hey have been deprived of this so called list of names so they could do their casket dance over Jeffrey Epstein, and exploit the sordid information, but the MAGAs who also knew about Trump's propensity for assaulting women and saw all those lawsuits files a few years ago including by someone who was 13 at the time and claimed he raped her, and how his teen beauty pageant was a "farm club" for pedophiles, those MAGAs don't care. They feel like this is re plowing the same ground and they are not at all concerned.

r75 r76 r77 r78 r79 r80 r81

R82

Dump is freaking the fuck out. The lady doth protest too much.

They need to tell Trump to keep the files secret because he loves to go against what people tell him.

Wow. He’s losing his marbles over this. Good job.

Maybe this will be the thing that induces a massive stroke!

He's pretty much throwing his supporters under the bus. Or should I say his "PAST supporters" which he doesn't want anymore?

Who knew that Epstein might be Trump's Waterloo? (or at least his kryptonite)

He’s clearly all over the files and he’s preemptively discrediting them as “fake” even though it was his own Justice Department and FBI who investigated and incarcerated Epstein.

It was Comey!

I'm sure glad America didn't elect that colored lady!

Trump is fighting too hard against the release of files. His Truth Social posts are long and meandering.

Something’s up.

[quote] I don't think Trump is on the list

No, R22?

Wow, Trump posted he doesn't need MAGA's support anymore! Wow, I never that he'd go in THAT direction. This might be where he starts abandoning his base and says "fuck it." He's out to protect himself. He doesn't give a shit about those trashy supporters (surprise surprise).

So, what does he do now that his supporters aren't following ordersand letting this go? Will he make up a bunch of shit about other people and release that? Bondi would happily go along with it...

Trump is now Nixonesque as when early tremors of Watergate rattled the White House...

It's possible even MAGA could figure out that Biden, Obama, Comey and Hillary would have themselves released the documents they faked.

[quote]Trump posted he doesn't need MAGA's support anymore

That's exactly what I was going to say. As long as he has Congress and the Supreme Court behind him, all his supporters can drop dead. Unless he's going to try to run again in 2028, which I don't think he will at this point.

And as far as the mid-terms go, yes, there may be a bit of re-shuffling, but in general, voters tend to re-elect the person already in the seat. Unless there is some really compelling reason to vote for someone they don't know, they will vote for the person whose name they recognize. So Trump doesn't really care about his supporters vis-à-vis the mid-terms. He believes he has it in the bag.

So, just like Roy Cohn taught him, he'll repeat the lie until it becomes the truth. I mean, it's worked for him many, many times before.

To think that anything will ever come from this shows a lot of naïveté.

Guess they all fear Musk and Bannon more than they fear Trump.

Either way, they’re motivated by cowardice.

But...her emails.

Epstein lawyer Alan Dershowitz says in today's WSJ that there's no client list and no incriminating videos. He say's he's positive. Epstein "never worked for any intelligence agency" and he has "seen nothing that would suggest anything improper or even questionable by Mr. Trump."

And we all know how credible Dershowitz is.

Did he write that while being massaged by an underage escort?

I ONLY GOT ONE MASSAGE FROM AN OLD RUSSIAN LADY!!!!

When Hegseth was nominated for Sec Def. the media went ballistic on him, exposing his drunkenness, his bimbos, and a other scandalous behavior to demonstrate he was the wrong guy for the job. Why has no one looked for dirt on Bondi. She is a mediocre lawyer at best. I want to know what she is hiding and who her "sponsors " were. There's financial dirt too.

"It is delicious to see him lose control of his base."

Turd no longer cares. He bilked them out of their votes and doesn't need them anymore. There will be no more elections as the Trump Dynasty (Don, Jr., Barron, etc.) take over in 2028.

R105 Bondi is odd. She used to be frumpy, but now she has the MAGA-Fox News look.

[quote]She used to be frumpy

Hunh? I've been living in FL a little while now (where she was attorney general for 8 years), and I have never seen a photo of Bondi where she looks "frumpy."

I'm certainly not defending her, but I'd love to see her looking frumpy. Show me!

r106, his spawn will not be taking over.

Bondi looks like Tori Spelling's less attractive sister.

R108 I mean she used to be a little chunkier and not as "well made/put together" as she does now. She attached pics.

R98 In general, the party that holds the White House loses seats in Congress in mid-term elections. Given the current six-vote majority the Republicans have in the Senate and a seven vote lead in the House, it won’t take many flipped seats to bring the D’s back. It’s not like Republicans aren’t giving voters reasons to vote for the Democrats a year from November. 2025 and 2026 is going to be a rough year for a lot of people.

Inflation’s returning and will take off in the fall when the tariffs hit, unemployment’s rising despite Trump’s minions cooking the books, Medicaid funding has been gutted - something that affects a lot of white folk in Flyoverstan states - and the recent polling says Americans are disgusted by Trump’s ICE goons, even Republicans. The Epstein thing may or not matter, but it seems to have piqued MAGA’s interest. Trump lies. They’re learning.

Excellent analysis R12 and I agree. A lot of MAGA have been quietly waiting for an obvious off-ramp, and, well, sex trafficking and the fucking of children (and the likely blackmail that resulted) is a significant enough scandal for them to take the exit. Many of the super-brainwashed still desperately need a savior, though, and Trump remains that for them (in addition to "Jesus").

People keep saying "list" when what is being silenced/hidden are the FILES. Not just a black book or lengthy list. Files include paper or e-folders of various photos, spreadsheets, videos, any forms of communications, and so on. Anyone who has worked in legal and has gone through the discovery phase knows that there are extended definitions and categories for Requests for Production demands. Continuing to refer to this potentially massive treasure trove of disgusting stuff as a "list" is kind of stupid at this point and more befitting the simplistic workings of the MAGA mentality.

I think Trump was the Epstein. The Trump modeling agency, the pageants, the underaged spa workers and caddies. He's up to yeti pubes in this shit

Yes, R47. And if someone like Epstein is in the dangerous position of having dirt/blackmail on people who are powerful because they're extremely wealthy and politically connected, are you stupid enough to only have originals? Anyone heard of a Dead Man's Switch? Although, in this instance, the switch(es) are likely in the hands of other nefarious individuals or groups otherwise everything would have been leaked by now. Something else to consider in view of all the claims that anything leaked could be "doctored" or AI or edited is that yes, that capability definitely exists for those tactics to be used. However, those tactics are also easily detected when used to manipulate. Almost anyone can suss out an image that's been photoshopped, AI-enhanced, or modified.

R59 - Musk just landed a contract (aka was bribed) for something like $200 million via this administration. Massive amounts of money do more to shut someone up than threats of violence these days.

The best I can do is talk shit about Jerome Powell

I guess if Ghislaine is released, then we'll know.

Such a disgusting worm of a man.

I'm waiting for someone else to mysteriously die.

r11, check Badger's posting history.

I want to be excited about this but have given up that anything will ever bring him down. Except death.

It's so weird that Trump keeps angrily denying these are important and worth exposure, and yet when they broke as friends, Elon Musk publicly said Trump is named in them. the news reports keep omitting this latter fact, and Trump seems to think everyone's forgotten--but of course no one has.

[quote]It's so weird that Trump keeps angrily denying these are important and worth exposure, and yet when they broke as friends, Elon Musk publicly said Trump is named in them.

Sometimes we need to take a step back and remember that we're actually talking about a 'President' in this gruesome tabloidesque context. We know Trump is a swamp of dysfunction, corruption, and mental illness. But he's almost normalised all this. Three more years of this sordid chaos? Surely not sustainable...

Those QAnon freaks (remember them?) must be in full meltdown mode.

I listened to this podcast series on Epstein last night in preparation for an interview he's giving tomorrow. It's long and in-depth and very. fucking. disturbing.

I learned a lot about child sex trafficking rings that I didn't know. It made me take this Epstein shit a lot more seriously

It may not seem like a big deal to US - those of us who have been paying attention for the past decade and know the harm that is slow burning through this country because of this goddamn traitor and his enablers, but it IS A HUGE FUCKING DEAL to maggots.

Q maggots especially are losing their shit over this. For the last decade, Flynn (Q) has been nursing these nutters and stringing them along regarding “pedos” and that fucking traitor exposing “the elites” who drink the blood of children.

You cannot feed people bullshit for a decade, promising them vengeance on the people you claim are responsible for their misery, then suddenly jerk the rug out from under them and say, “nothing to see here” and “shut up about this!” Without them having a psychological breakdown.

There are tens of thousands of these nutters out there. Many of them attacked the Capitol on J6 and served time for it. Now you think they’re going to “move on”? Hell no. These people are fucking nuts. They aren’t going to “move on”. They may even turn on you.

Here’s the thing, Dump ginned up a bunch of these nutters who rarely voted with promises to expose the “pedo elites”. Now he’s turned on them. HE may not need their votes anymore, but the rest of the thugs most certainly do.

The disappointed and frustrated maggots will stop voting and the thugs cannot afford to lose any votes at all.

The orange traitor may not give a fuck, but his enablers and the other GQP fools care very much.

BTW, R111 -- if you think [italic]that's[/italic] frumpy, you need to spend some time in PA Dutch Country.

The QAnon nut jobs aren't as plentiful as the average, run of the mill MAGA idiots. The latter are the ones who think Trump is a God and will stick with him until the end. Don't believe for the second the Trump cult will completely come undone. They'll gladly pay $6 for a tomato and and somehow manage to scrape up enough coin to replace their sun-faded Trump flags.

I don't understand this QAnon shit people in this thread keep bringing up. Whatever that is has nothing to do with the Epstein/Mossad child rape political blackmail thing. Shut the fuck up about it

[quote] I don't understand this QAnon shit people in this thread keep bringing up. Whatever that is has nothing to do with the Epstein/Mossad child rape political blackmail thing. Shut the fuck up about it

Always an effective tactic, Ms. Streisand.

The podcaster R127 linked to, Darryl Cooper, is a serious conspiracy nut and MAGA troll, posting about the Great Replacement theory on Twitter (sorry, X.)

I've been checking in on Twitter ro see if it's tru that he MAGAt base is turning on him. I was surprised, that a lot of them are done with him. Plus Elon has been trolling him non stop. The fires are real and they are still burning.

On what planet do you think if they released the files Trump's name would appear in it anywhere, even if it did? The only people who know what is in it are loyal to him. If democrats had it, they certainly didn't say anything about Trump being in it. This is all theatre. All the usual suspects will say RELEASE IT - then of course they will, and Trump's name This is only to clear any doubt. He will release it sans his hame and say he was protecting the other people on it.

That's wonderful news, R134! Keep it comin'.

R133 maybe listen to it then you can shit on it

I like fires.

Thanks, R137. I'll put it on my reading/listening list, right next to "Mein Kampf" and "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion."

R139 ok shithead.

You do that.

The MAGA people are into conspiracies, they voted Trump because he was an outsider elected to expose the Swamp, to undercover corruption, to be the guy who actually said the truth and not the typical political answer.

I think Trump hiding in the files pisses them off. They can argue no Russian collusion, Antifa was at the BLM riots, and that there was a vast conspiracy to overthrow Trump in 2020, but PEDOPHILA is the line they cross.

Gosh, it sounds like I'm defending them. I'm not, but I know several MAGA people.

This is Trump’s “shooting someone on Fifth Avenue.” Actually, it’s beyond that, since no one would care if he shot someone, anywhere. He’s declaring war on MAGA and he probably doesn’t even realize that yet. You can’t push aside the Epstein investigation and attack the base who have wanted it investigated exhaustively.

R47, people facing criminal charges commit suicide all the time. Ever heard of Herb Baumeister?

It's not a "conspiracy."

It's a child rape for political blackmail ring run by the Israelis with the probable cooperation of other western intelligence services.

Trump himself has said that all press is good press unless you're called a child molester.

R105, there was some stuff in the news about her taking $$$ from Qatar

R111 Pam Bondi was a former chubby gal. That explains a lot as to why she's such a nasty, mean girl cunt.

[quote] Pam Bondi was a former chubby gal. That explains a lot as to why she's such a nasty, mean girl cunt.

That also explains a lot about many people who post on DL.

Dump still has Kitara’s support, so that should give that fat ass some comfort.

Has anyone checked on Lindsey or is she drinking again?

[quote] is she drinking again?

AGAIN? When did Lindseybelle stop?

Release all the information and let the people decide.

Will the Streisand Effect now be known as the Epstein Effect?

Yes, r152, please.

Another piece of all this -- not so long ago (June 5 to be exact), Elon Musk tweeted out to the entire world that he knows for a fact that Trump is in the Epstein files. It provoked a tidal wave of confused reaction across the far right and the "bro podcast" universe... and they have not forgotten it.

Musk quietly deleted the tweet a few days later under what had to have been massive external pressure. But he has never recanted it since, nor has Trump ever claimed that he's not in the Epstein files.

... and now today Musk shivved Trump again on X:

"The old:

"1. Admit nothing 2. Deny everything 3. Make counterclaims

"But it won’t work this time"

Time for another impeachment. The 48th president may take office sooner than expected.

Even that arsewipe, Jaydine, is secretly loving this.

Awww, thought those two crazy kids were gonna make it after all r155.

Maybe not.

I've been checking on Free Republic (and taking mental salt baths afterward) and there's a schism occurring there too. Not widespread because most Freepers are really brainwarped, but it was satisfying nonetheless to see it in small doses.

I really, really hope this is MAGA's Don't Look Up moment, where they see the comet and realize they were lied to all along.

Then again, they are a cult of followers so I'm still skeptical. At the least, if a third of them are pissed and refuse to vote for GQP, that would be fabulous.

r141 - It's not just pedophilia. It includes murder or at least the appearance of negligent homicide from the POV of the mark. My knowledge of this is hazy, pieced together from the least sketchy sources.

Epstein worked for the Israelis and had side hustles with Russia and other state actors willing to pay. The whole thing was set up as a rich man's sex club; Epstein's townhouse was close to where many worked or visited for business reasons. At the beginning, after proving he was adept at this "trade" at Dalton, the Israelis set him up at a hedge fund. Men would deposit money with Epstein to access Epstein's townhouse. The townhouse had girls in their teens, mostly - say 14-17. But he would take requests for children of either sex. That's where the real extortion happened.

There are many side stories, like Barr's father's connection to Dalton, how he got the townhouse for free from the founder of the Limited, etc. How Ghislaine came into the picture. Those aren't part of the critical path.

[bold]The point is that Epstein, who started in the 80s, grew his business along with globalism. As more and more foreigners went to NYC, they wanted to visit the Townhouse. So Epstein moved his hedge fund to the British Virgin Islands, part of the burgeoning offshore tax havens. [/bold] Now, the men needed to deposit at least $100 million to use the services. At this time, they also got the private island to avoid scrutiny, but also to SELL the illusion of safety. Some men, like Prince Andrew, also projected a semblance of safety.

The key point is that Trump was part of the whole thing back in the 1980s; he provided girls, too, through his pageants and fake modeling agencies. He threw parties at his properties. He was an extension of Epstein's entertainment world.

[bold]Because entertainment was how the customer saw it. [/bold]

The good times were rolling until Putin came along. [bold] It used to be people like Roy Cohn, or the Koch brothers, asking for favors with a wink and nod - "I know what you do, I do it, too." A good example is Trump (as President) finagling two state visits to Buck Palace, by promising to do nothing about Andrew. Perfect example of the type of blackmail on the fringes of Epstein's world. [/bold]

Putin was playing for big stakes. He managed to get one of the principals the presidency, and he wanted nothing less than to reorganize the world order. [bold]Bill Barr realized that this little game had to end, because by now 40 years after he started, Epstein had miles of tape of powerful people doing unspeakable things with children, up to beatings and murder.[/bold]

[bold]Epstein crossed a line when he went from heading an exclusive Adult Sex with Minors Wonderland to blackmailing the president of somewhere with tapes of him raping and killing a child while on drugs. [/bold]

Somehow, MAGA knows about this. Maybe because, except for the deportation porn, everything else Trump is doing is difficult to understand, but this they can understand. They have people like Epstein in their worlds.

There's a whole other faction of MAGA that is absolutely ripshit angry at Trump for going back on his "America First, America Only, no more being the world's policeman, Ukraine is corrupt anyway so why should I support them at all?" position of the entire 2024 election cycle.

That was an important aspect of their support for him. Now he's saying the US will in fact help Ukraine with military $$ and equipment ASAP, and he's got this brand new realization that Putin is bad, etc. This is anathema to that faction of the Trump/MAGA base. Marjorie Taylor Greene has been going off about it.

So all of this is quite ill timed for Trump.

His winning coalition was always built from different groups with very different, even opposing, interests: oligarchs, poor white trash, MAHA conspiritualists, QAnon loons, MRAs, fellow grifters and criminals, and other social misfits. It was just a matter of time when some issue was going to start causing a rift. When you promise so many incompatible things to so many groups of people, you can only distract them for so long.

I listen to NPR. That's one of my news sources. This morning there was a comprehensive discussion about Medicaid and how the cuts will impact hospitals and healthcare in general. They asked some Conservative Trumper representing some vague "policy institute" to comment and all he wanted to do was say fraud every other word. Callers sent messages saying fraud happened with insurer and providers not patients so why not increase the budget to monitor them. He stuttered and stumbled. There was also data about the underserved. The application process is designed to discourage people from participating. The Trumper said the Biden administration was so eager to increase enrollment they enrolled people who were not eligible and that was a kind of fraud. Anyway, it was a great discussion I learned a lot. Also listened to a feature about the foster care system in the USA. a few other things about the economy. No one mentioned Epstein. Epstein isn't real news it is sensational tabloid bullshit. Yes he was a pedo, as was Trump. But for the past 10 years we have heard every horror story imaginable about Trump. He has been sued and convicted. He's a fucking felon. A thief. A predator. If news comes out that he was Epstein's BFF and they chased girls together., his base will not give a fuck. Even if they do, they will still support his agenda.. Trump and the MAGAs all hate the same people.

r18 --

[quote]This was a whole damn thing in the fever swamps, their reason for living, their sacred cause, SAVING THE GODDAMN CHILDREN FROM THE RICH PEDOPHILES. He can't just do his usual shit here. They ain't about to just let it all go.

That's it in a nutshell!

Even if there incontrovertible evidence that Trump had sex with children, what percentage of his supporters even care?

Would enough MAGAts in power even care enough to try to get him out of office?

R164 NPR is about as trustworthy as the NYT at this point (which is not at all). Manipulated programming, interviews, and callers. They're simply another instrument of propaganda, slightly less partisan flavored than mainstream media or the selective mouthpieces/puppet media used by the Dems, GOP, or MAGA/Conservative outlets.

Some more info (Free)--

[bold]Deconstructing the Epstein Myth: What MAGA Got Right About the Stakes

The dark ecosystem that created both Donald and Jeffrey: A conversation with Stephanie Koff about the world beneath.

There's always something. In Trump's case, the string that needs to be pulled is his time on The Apprentice and the people who "knew him then." When he wasn't protected.

The BBB has passed. Do the DC Republicans even need Trump anymore? Seems like they'll let the base slightly turn on him while another lunatic asshole is groomed to replace him. JD Vance ain't it.

[quote]Even if there is incontrovertible evidence that Trump had sex with children, what percentage of his supporters even care?

I think they will. Like someone above-mentioned, it won't force him to resign, but his soft power over the base will wane. The question is, has his dictatorship progressed to the point he doesn't MAGA anymore?

The problem with that, R169, is: once Trump's "big tent" dissolves, the GOP is back in 2012.

The MAGA faithful will believe it is FAKE NEWS and part of the DEEP STATE conspiracy, if evidence ever came out that their Leader had sex with underage girls or very young women.

I refuse to get excited about the end of Trump. I've had my heart broken too many times.

[quote]The problem with that, [R169], is: once Trump's "big tent" dissolves, the GOP is back in 2012.

That would be interesting, I concede.

You’re not going to read much about this in the mainstream media (NPR, WPost, NYT, etc), which is all pretty well controlled. But on social media this is huge and people are very invested in it

This is the first time I’ve ever heard anyone try to drag Russia into the scandal. It’s an Israeli operation.

R161 is unhinged, but dang, that's one exciting read!

R144 that would be interesting, given her and Jeffrey may have had some connections with Mossad.

[quote] Seems like they'll let the base slightly turn on him while another lunatic asshole is groomed to replace him. JD Vance ain't it.

And that's the thing. The rich and the "leadership" and the various clowns and doofuses swirling around the Cult will get together and try to pick some jackass as the "next Donald Trump" and fail miserably, because like the rest of us they really have no idea how this mediocre, crazy clown managed to inspire an entire cult. They'll throw money at the problem, they'll hire all the right shitheads, they'll create just the right messaging strategy that everyone around the table can all nod their heads at, with full approval from the AI bots, and then the whole thing will fall flat.

The thing we have on our side is that the whole monstrosity is so phenomenally stupid and ridiculous that it can't be artificially recreated.

That's exactly it, R179. Part of it is that Trump has long been a WWE-flavored pop culture buffoon with $$$$$, and with enough of a bio to fool enough people into thinking he's a super-smart and super-skilled businessman who earned his wealth.

None of the would-be heirs to Trump have that bio or that long known WWE-flavored loud and comically-self-aggrandizing pop culture role. Whenever they try, they miss the mark.

Whoa! She prosecuted Maxwell, too.

Looking worse by the minute.

What a shame we don't have some sort of flavored coffee to celebrate this moment in our life!

Maurene Comey, federal prosecutor in Sean 'Diddy' Combs and Ghislaine Maxwell cases, fired: Sources

^Good the spelling of her name really irks me.

The Wednesday Night Massacre

So basically he’s saying Ghislaine was convicted based on faked evidence, then? If so, she’s got one helluva lawsuit to file.

Maurene looks like her father if he transitioned.

Apparently he wanted to pardon Ghislaine in his first term, and was talked out of it. Just go ahead and do it now, you demented old freak. Just admit it, you loved everything that happened at Epstein Island and don't even know what the crime is. Just admit you are all for the sexual exploitation of underage girls and stop even pretending, you disgusting old rapist.

[quote]I don't understand this QAnon shit people in this thread keep bringing up. Whatever that is has nothing to do with the Epstein/Mossad child rape political blackmail thing.

[quote]It's not a "conspiracy." It's a child rape for political blackmail ring run by the Israelis with the probable cooperation of other western intelligence services.

Some people are really invested in making this about Israel somehow. But the reason Trump is having problems with his base over this now is not because of Israel (his supporters all love Israel). It's because they are prone to believing bizarre QAnon conspiracy theories in which there are hidden pedophiles everywhere. With Epstein, they happen to have found a real one, and they think he's the tip of the iceberg, and they're not going to let it go at this point. They're the ones driving the story.

[quote] If I was Bondi, I would appoint a special counsel to investigate.

Trump would fire her so fast, he doesn't like special counsel investigators he can't control.

R190 probably because it was an Israeli sex blackmail operation 🤷‍♀️

Rumors floating all over political social media today that something big and ugly and legal is about to drop.

Probably more nonsense, but a girl can dream.

I think the files will end up leaked by this weekend.

[quote]something big and ugly and legal is about to drop

Trump out of a window?

Hope so, R194, and hope they’re the real ones.

Didn’t Anonymous tease some sort of info would be “made available” at the end of July?

Not that I put much stock in that, but it’s a thought

Trump should pardon Ghislane just to show he doesn’t care about this. Then we could say MAGA RIP.

The Donald fall in love with me at first meeting.

He say I have the poosey of a 12-year-old.

Imagine if he steps down tomorrow? There's that floating around too.

Are you all ready for President Maybe it's Maybelline?

lol, r202.

I’m hoping the fired Comey daughter gives interviews to media about the Epstein files. She has to be careful but she probably could give a clearer picture of what’s in them and whether Trump is mentioned. I doubt they made her sign an NDA and as a former employee she has a lot of latitude to speak freely as long as she doesn’t violate the sealing order.

[QUOTE]something is in the wind in DC. Rumor and "what've ya heard?" messages are slamming.

Also from Twitter:

[QUOTE]@TheRickWilson. Tick tock. Rumor mill in DC on overdrive for last 6 hrs

As a Federal employee, Comey's daughter isn't bound by any NDA.

What r12 said!

Adam Kinzinger pulled a lot of Trump sleaze chronology together in his Trump/Epstein piece on Substack earlier today.

Nice job by Adam!

I feel like I owe him a great fuck, R209.

R205, what the fuck is he talking about???

R128, funny you brought Flynn up. What a missive.

[quote] Some people are really invested in making this about Israel somehow.

It is and the guy who broke the Epstein story agrees.

So what if he is on the list? Let's say it is released and it says Trump was his number one client. What happens to him?

[quote]@TheRickWilson. Tick tock. Rumor mill in DC on overdrive for last 6 hrs

Is Rick Wilson the Louella or the Hedda?

Flynn is such a psycho. Epstein was into adolescent girls under the age of consent but not children. That’s a serious crime but it’s not the crime of being a pedophile. I don’t get why the MAGA nuts are so invested in crimes involving sex with children.

DJT will escape all this. He always does.

Thank Merrick Garland for the ongoing mess.

I found this article interesting but it is so hard to know who and what to believe.

Flynn was, and maybe still is, a Putin asset.

It’s fucking nuts that this—THIS—is what’s making his imbeciles turn on him! I can’t begin to catalog his many crimes against humanity in the past six months let alone in the 80 years of his miserable life. But it’s the lies about Epstein that set off this exodus.

I thought they’d forgive him, as they always do. But now I’m not so sure. Nixon was elected in a landslide in ‘72 and impeached in 74 because the GOP turned on him. And all because of a coverup—not the crime.

And now he’s freaking out because he’s losing control of his evil monkeys. And they’re beginning to wake up to all the other crap he’s pulled on them.

Don’t underestimate vicious cunts like Ted Cruise and Tucker Carlson and others who want to be president. There’s blood in the water and I’ll bet anything they’re circling in for the kill. They want to get rid of Trump and Vance to clear the way for their run.

R226 - According to author and child abuse researcher Nick Bryant, who was the first to have access to Epstein's infamous black book (which he spent years trying to get published ) and who has been investigating Epstein since 2015, there were girls under 10.

Under 10 .

This video with him and leftist and former NYTimes journalist Chris Hedges made today is worth watching

The mental gymnastics. 😵‍💫

Hamster wheels within Hamster wheels.

A respondent on Rick Wilson’s thread:

[quote] Heard one congressman say it’s rumored that Epstein files have pics of Trump with topless girls. Are you hearing this?

Geez, those “girls” were Rudy Giuliani and Lady Lindzebelle in drag who DJT told to take off their blouses off.

Ugh! Giuliani bewbs

Let the record show, your honor, that nobody has ever asked Rudy or Lady Lindzebelle to remove their blouses!

How did a 10: year old get to Epstein’s house? Why weren’t their parents prosecuted if this were true. Maxwell cruised the high schools. but the girls were old enough to get themselves to Epstein’s. That’s not the case for a 10 year old. If this even happened.

I do think there's a fair chance this will kill his presidency

Is that you Mr. Dershowitz at r227? You might want to sit this one out, sir.

Epstein’s was a monster but some people seem very invested in creating even more vile scenarios:than the actual reality. Similar to the Diddy case where his sex parties supposedly included children but no evidence of that ever turned up. This is especially common among MAGA conspiracy types.

One indicator: the usually Trump-fawning New York Post is sinking its teeth into this with more tenacity than I’d have expected.

Let's not get our hopes up.

R231 It’s bad when you’ve lost Miranda Devine.

[quote] How did a 10-year-old get to Epstein’s house? Why weren’t their parents prosecuted if this were true. Maxwell cruised the high schools. but the girls were old enough to get themselves to Epstein’s. That’s not the case for a 10-year-old. If this even happened.

There weren't that many 10-year-olds to begin with. You have to consider 40 years of Exclusive Sexy Wonderland. Yes, there were some 10-year-old girls and boys. But most were teenage girls, I think they aged out in their early 20s.

My understanding is they were by request. So, probably sourced from the underground kiddie sex trafficking world and were delivered to wherever the bacchanalia was taking place.

Some of the takes I've seen

- There are no Epstein files - There are files, but they were altered by the Democrats, so releasing them would be playing into their hands - The files exist and are authentic, but releasing them would destroy the country, so we can't do it - Epstein wasn't an intelligence asset so it doesn't really matter - Even if the files exist and it's all true, Epstein didn't really do anything wrong because if he didn't traffic those girls, someone else would have - The girls weren't that young and people are blowing it out of proportion - This all happened so long ago, it's time to move on

Although many would relish the idea of Trump being caught on Epstein’s island with his pants down, that’s not what’s driving this.

The driving force has been his team’s ironclad promise to unmask Deep State pedos and bring them, and America, back to Christian Justice. In their view, Trump is the flawed agent of God’s deliverance.

But if the Deep State is able to cow even Trump into abandoning his sacred quest, then all is lost. America is doomed. Christ has died again on the Cross and will not, this time, arise.

It is only the clamor of their protests; like children urgently clapping for Tinkerbell, that keeps their hopes alive.

Has anyone posted this? I had to go and find it on Truth Social and the responses from the MAGA cult are BRUTAL! His MAGA supporters are very unhappy and they are not holding back from telling him so. I am genuinely surprised.

Michael Flynn is a complete traitor to this country. He invented conspiracy theories that make him seem like he’s in the no because he was a general. No he’s just a bitter old bitch. He tried to lay down cover for Trump in that tweet so hard and it will work because he makes Trump seem like he’s this genius Machiavellian god-like savior who’s dodging real and figurative bullets from all sorts of really bad people. It’s so bad no one would go near a Hollywood script like this. They are really invested in Trump for some reason. It must be the whole he has on his base. I wonder if that goes away if they try to find someone else and Trump gets sacrificed.

^in the know

NewsMax is taking potshots at FoxNews for being so obeisant to Trump and avoiding/downplaying the Epstein files.

I'm going to try linking Trump's Truth Social post. It's worth taking a few minutes to read the MAGA cult replies. I'm genuinely surprised by them.

⬆️ Didn’t work R241, non-registered visitors cannot see replies, but I’ll take your word for it! Seen similar observations today from people on BlueSky.

You know...the rumor of Dondon resgining is, well, insane, but I can imagine what kind of shit GOP congressmen are getting from their MAGA constituents right now. And how congressional republicans are looking to save their butts.

OK thanks for letting me know R242. Sorry about that. I have never seen anyone link to Truth Social on DL so wasn't even sure DL would allow me to link.

Basically the comments are the MAGA cult bashing Trump and saying none of what he says makes any sense and that he's lying to them and that this is the hill they will die on. They demand the truth and they want proof. They are REALLY angry and feel insulted by that tweet (or whatever it's call on Truth Social). Out of every 50 negative comments there are 1 or 2 supportive comments. I checked some of the posts and these are proper MAGA accounts with lots of followers/posting history so they are not fake bot accounts. It's all very surprising.

Trump must be heavily involved in the Epstein situation otherwise they would release all the files yesterday. Delicious!

Wait—Newsmax is following the story and calling out Trump? I thought they were even more conservative than Fox and worshipped him. I don’t watch either network, but repugs in my flyover state are always watching Newsmax.

[quote]Wait—Newsmax is following the story and calling out Trump? I thought they were even more conservative than Fox and worshipped him. I don’t watch either network, but repugs in my flyover state are always watching Newsmax.

That's how confused the situation is right now. However, Newsmax isn't calling out Trump to any great extent — they're calling out Fox News, no doubt for ratings.

[quote] The mental gymnastics. 😵‍💫

It’s a legitimate, logical question to ask why if there is evidence that implicates Trump, did Democrats not release it before the election. The people who should be asking the question are Democrats, wondering why info that could have prevented him from winning wasn’t used.

R245 Newsmax is indeed more right-wing extremist than Fox. Trump has angered their far right listeners/viewers with his recent pivot on Ukraine, and now this.

Trying not to hope for too much here, but the chances of a deep MAGA fracture have never been better than they are right now.

It’s so typical that people in the bubble first create and tout fiction, like that conservative media will be blindly obedient to Trump and would never turn on him, then people act surprised that the fiction turns out not to be true. It was never the case that conservative media wouldn’t criticize Trump. There’s no surprise whatsoever that such media would be critical of Trump if he strongly moves in the wrong direction on an issue.

A few comments from Truth Social

Russia was kicking Ukraine's ass yesterday. Bombed 4 cities, killed 15 people. Going after the energy grids. I'm gonna start calling him Vladimir Netanyahu.

Nobody believes you r249. Nobody in the bubble or out of the bubble or right or left or black or white believes you for five seconds that the right wing press has been some independent force when it comes to Trump, until now, and very tentatively. You should drop this line of propaganda, because it only makes you look like a moron. Propaganda always depends on having some kind of believable premise. This particular brand of nonsense does not, and you should know that.

R247 it doesn’t matter because that question is a distraction in the deflection. Trump is obviously acting very guilty. And perhaps more information came to light after he became president. Maybe they looked too far and actually found something very incriminating on Trump because I do believe people in the FBI would absolutely protect Trump if he was in the files. maybe the Biden DOJ didn’t know about Trump‘s involvement. The FBI has been called out many times for being pro-Trump. it’s why they go after the FBI and the media and every other institution they need to deflect attention from the fact that they’re actually pro them and against Democrats.

JIZZ-LAYNE!

Nature is healing

Elon asks Grok a question

[Quote] Epstein was a Mossad asset. They can’t release the truth because it would make ongoing US support of Israel untenable,

Hilarious if true. Israel is committing ethnic cleansing against people whose land they want to steal, in a particularly ugly and cruel way. That’s fine.

But god forbid some pervert is a secret service asset. END ALL SUPPORT NOW!