Pyrrhic victories

Indeed. If we were going to be stuck with a second term anyway, I would prefer that Trump not have four years to work on the strategy to do what he is doing now.

OP, you forgot to link your article

I’m pretty sure all the old people and those with coexisting ailments are grateful Trump did lose. Lawd this country may have fallen with chaotic Trump remaining President during Covid.

I think stopping Trump from having an uninterrupted 8 years was a good thing.

Well, there was that one (two, really) that King Pyrrhus experienced, not that he appears to be relative to the question any longer in a world of free-floating cliches.

The argument eats itself. So what. No one should have ran against Trump? It’s foolish. Anyone running is running to win. He should never been re-elected as unpopular as he was. He should never been placed in a position to be framed as a viable option against any political group with a brain. But when you run a con with someone dementia and advocate for sex reassignments in prison against an orange maniac who gets 24/7 press, what can you do.

Most (consecutive) second terms are very sleepy affairs. The 4-year interregnum gave MAGA the opportunity to conceive Project 2025. Also, Trump, not Biden, would have been president when the inevitable inflation occurred.

R6, "the argument" does not "eat itself." There also is no Pyrrhic victory involved here, no matter what argument you believe yourself to be trying to shut down.

And you deserve a general "oh, dear" for your injecting your little stinger against trans people, acting as if the only alternative to fascism is to join it, and abusing the language to the extent that one wonders if your weekend drinking has continued into Sunday's brunch.

I doubt we're getting another consecutive term any time soon, the population on either side is too riled up. You get four years and then you're out. Well, two years, assuming you won Congress on your way in. What a sad state of affairs, leading to even more disillusionment and dissatisfaction.

The original Pyrrhic victory was Obama's win in 2008. It created a situation in which most people mistakenly thought racism and bigotry had been overcome, but the racists were mobilized to ensure his legacy was burned to ashes. That's why Trump won in 2016 and that's why Biden won the Democratic nomination in 2020 (remember, he was the safe choice. despite a poor showing in the earliest primaries that had previously killed the campaigns of poor finishers..he was an old white guy).

R8 I displayed no such hostility toward trans. I did suggest that I am against taxpayer money for sex reassignments for convicted criminals in any jurisdiction in America. The reason so because gender is what you want; sex is firm. A trans person who hadn’t committed a crime has the right to be able to finance their own sex reassignment. However as a convicted criminal crime they relinquish that right . Also there is no way to know for certain if someone is lying about their trans status or manipulating facts to be sent to a female prison. I don’t even have to say or vice versa because all trans FTM convicts opt to remain in prison females. lol. I don’t even have to do the research.

My main point wasn’t even about the about ethics. It was about political branding. There is no life threatening consequence of a trans not having the surgery to confirm their gender. My main point was about a national political representative advocating for it in a national election. Minority rights count. Im a minority. But at a certain point you have to use numbers and a little commons sense. Yes it matters that trans less than 1% of the general population in regards to prison sex reassignments and the attention it mandates from a national political candidate. I believe non convict trans, you know the majority of them, should have civil rights and be free of harassment. Wouldn’t an easier argument to make to trans—well if you want a sex reassignment and don’t want to be around cisgender males, don’t commit a crime.

Biden did not experience a Pyrrhic victory. He did not win to destroy his followers in the process.

His loss four years later was a loss, and a destructive one for the suicidal nation of zombie fascists and do-nothing, pissy perma-victims.

And R10 just exacerbates the idiocy. Proudly.

Yes, OP. We read the New York Magazine article.

Why don’t you link it instead of claiming this as your own original thought?

[quote] I doubt we're getting another consecutive term any time soon, the population on either side is too riled up. You get four years and then you're out.

I don't know about that. In 2020, The Democrats could win the Electoral College by winning the Blue Wall states. After the 2020 Census, that would've only been enough to garner a tie, which would effectively been a loss because of the House. After the 2030 Census, winning the Blue Wall states won't even get you a tie.

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[quote] Yes, OP. We read the New York Magazine article.

[quote] Why don’t you link it instead of claiming this as your own original thought?

So only original thoughts are now allowed here?! In any event, I've made this argument here since Trump won last year. Long before the current NYM article.

R15 Those numbers included federal employees and let’s just say I let them fuck around and find out, even the lily whites who voted for me.

Temporary Protected Status by the Biden Administration for Cubans and Venezuelans.

One more thing. I have yet to read the NYM article.

Biden was the wrong man, at the wrong time, for the wrong job. He needed to do two things:

1) Make sure Trump never runs again.

2) Eliminate the Russian penetration of American elite society. (Talk about building national security cases and deportations. So many deportations)

But he concentrated on a much-needed domestic agenda, which went nowhere and was not permanent. Sure, the infrastructure bill, bringing back the manufacture of computer chips, were all important, but not existentially critical. No less a person than Gary Kasparov investigatedn why Biden's priorities were so skewed. He reported that Biden wanted his first 2 years to be about domestic issues because he anticipated losing the House. The next two would be Trump and foreign policy victories.

How did that work out? Trump ran out the two-year clock, and I don't remember a huge foreign policy. In fact, the Biden Administration was blindsided in the Middle East. To the point that the National Security Advisor wrote in the Foreign Policy print edition that nothing was going to happen in the Middle East and then went back and changed the digital version!

Yeah, this is like bad like policy that like went like nowhere

r23 - This is like small, presumably he had the staff to like multitask. It's like the stuff he like neglected.

R9 I fear you are correct. I’ve been thinking lately about our population conditioned to both consistently feel dissatisfied with the state of their life and to “swipe left” for a change every chance they get.

Why would being incarcerated make a person less worthy of basic healthcare, r11? You seem to think being trans is some frivolous indulgence like getting a tattoo. Not allowing the tiny percentage of trans inmates to access to their hormone regimen sounds like pointless cruelty to me.

It's interesting how the "muh tax dollars" brigade couldn't give less of a fuck about the colossal cost of keeping an average person in prison but suddenly get very upset when trans people are involved.

Trump didn't win because Democrats treat trans people with a shred of compassion.

Like so like small to like most but like a matter of like life and like death for like millions of people like who are diabetic

Americans are the stupidest people on earth. Don't blame Biden, it's not his fault so many Americans are fine with Trump killing their own family members. Now they're fine with his deporting them. There's simply no overcoming that level of stupidity. By anybody.

[quote] There's simply no overcoming that level of stupidity. By anybody.

[bold]Or hate, which makes people feel superior and important. Studies are showing that anger relieves depression.[bold] Biden has been in politics for over 50 years; one would think he would have run across that tidbit at some point. Sadly, capping insulin at $35 is so important and laudable, but only affects a small percentage of the population.

But stir that racism pot -- oh yes, about 30% of the nation reveals themselves.

Jimmy Carter's 1976 win. If Ford had pulled it off, then all of the late 70s problems would have landed on his deck, including the Iran hostage crisis. Someone like Ted Kennedy would have then won in 1980 instead of Reagan.

Ted Kennedy’s Chappaquiddick baggage & his lack of interest in being president would have doomed any campaign he would have waged, R30.

Ungated link to the article.

The core argument, that the Covid years were unprecedented and no President's reputation could have survived intact, has some merit. Watching Trump come back from the dead, a revenant, even more rapacious and impulsive, and how Biden would be unfairly blamed for the fallout from a pandemic, does make you wonder what was the point of it all. You couldn't even celebrate Biden's victory what with the goddamned freaks and fascists storming the Capitol and half the voting public seemingly fine with that. What a country.