University of Penn to ban trans athletes from women’s sports

The guy on the left is kind of cute.

I can’t get mad about this one. If “Lia” is a woman then my dog’s a cat.

Good.

Best news i've heard all day..

Ever notice "trans activists" are silent whenever a trans story breaks? Such leadership.

I am in favor of this decision for elite sports but I don't know what the solution is for kids sport

I teach Chinese students. I mentioned trans something or other (I forget) and the boy said “is that like transitioning your gender” and I said yes. He replied “that’s yucky and I don’t want to talk about it anymore.” His response felt like the kind of response a child would give if he had been taught not to be touched by an adult pervert. It was kind of funny that Chinese children are still being taught that this is not an acceptable subject of conversation. It made me feel like I had said something very wrong.

I support trans acceptance but I don’t disagree with this. Acceptance doesn’t mean letting them destroy the dreams and hard work of girls who’ve been training for years in a sport, only to have to compete against a guy.

And this issue is important why?I don't think sports has a place in schools period. Schools are for art. Transgenders in sculpture competing with Straights and Gays for galley space, how dare they.

It's so weird, at Penn this literally is about one person. Read Milky Loads NYT article for why all gay men are now yoked with this crap.

[quote]I am in favor of this decision for elite sports but I don't know what the solution is for kids sport

There’s no such thing as a trans child.

Why were you talking about gender anything to children?

You did say something wrong, that is entirely inappropriate.

Yes r10, this whole trans wave is being used as a stick to beat us with — by us I mean democrats and LGBTQ+.

And the whole thing started with overeducated straight women keen to show how much more accepting-than-thou they are.

By the way, by trans wave, I don’t just mean people living as the opposite sex. I don’t give a fuck about that — Mazeltov, do whatever the fuck you want and god bless.

What I mean is the crazed “advocates” who think the entire world should revolve around trans people and everyone should be subordinated to them.

"What I mean is the crazed “advocates” who think the entire world should revolve around trans people and everyone should be subordinated to them."

That's everything in a nutshell. Perfectly said.

This is what I live for.

[quote] LGB.

FIFY.

Liar Thomas getting his comeuppance! Beautiful.

Common sense, finally. Form and play in your own all-trans competitions and leagues.

R18 - I think they should still compete - even in the same heats - but the records and prizes should be separated.

Nobody is saying they can't compete or have to form their own leagues. But where possible - for example individual events like this - then they would have a women's winner and a trans-women's winner.

Team sports - well, that's obviously more complicated.

It was kind of maddening hearing the report yesterday that the one thing democrats were able to block in the Big Beautiful Bill was Medicaid NOT paying for gender affirming care for children. I was like - of all things to fight for, that’s most important?

Medicare won't pay for dentures or dental care ----mostly affecting Seniors---but the THEMz want it to cover their "gender affirming" nose jobs and boob jobs and a lifetime of hormones?

Insurance companies half to obeying the orders. Obama made this happen. This dude looks like kid who shot up a classroom of little kids. .

“Yes, federal law prohibits discrimination in healthcare based on gender identity, meaning most insurance plans must cover medically necessary transgender care. However, specific coverage details vary by plan and may require documentation of medical necessity. Key“

DL's numerous anti-trans trolls are beating off to pics of their new hero, Donald Trump.

Are your dicks little button mushrooms, just like his?

Has anyone ever heard of a Trans Man competing in male sports?

All these "trans athletes banned from women’s sports" headlines are incorrect. Trans are not being banned from women's sports - biological females who identify as trans can still participate in women's sports, providing they aren't taking any performance-enhancing drugs (the same rules as for all athletes). Moreover, biological males who identify as transwomen are not being banned from women's sports because they identify as trans but because they are biological males.

R23 is incredibly stupid.

Several UK sporting bodies have declared the men's competitions open to all, so trans can compete without compromising their identity. They don't, of course.

The UK recently passed a law where a trans woman is legally a man and a trans man is legally a woman.

Stop trying to make the UK sound so much more accepting of Trans

That's not what actually happened, r28, even though there wouldn't be anything wrong with what you describe. The UK Supreme Court ruled that the word "woman" in the Equality Act applies only to biological women. There had been a problem with trans groups and their handmaidens giving false "advice" and inaccurately telling companies, universities, etc. that the word "woman" in the Equality Act applied also to males who claim to identify as women, which is quite patently a lie.

The problem with trans-identified people's campaigning - along with lying and misrepresentation, as evidenced in r28 - is that they are extremist and maximalist. Apparently for the law to distinguish between the male sex and the female sex is "not being accepting of trans". There are many instances in which the law and regulations in general need to be based on biological sex and not "identity". - sport being just one pertinent example. Trans people can dress or identify however they want, but that doesn't mean that they should force the rest of to suspend our belief in physical reality.

Trans-haters are the pettiest bitches on Earth. My god.

No one "hates" trans, r30, we just don't believe that humans can change sex or that a biological male is a woman. Presumably by "petty" you mean adhering to facts and reality.

[quote]It made me feel like I had said something very wrong.

You did. R7, you should not have brought this up to any children. That's unprofessional. You are begging for trouble. And no, it didn't just come up. You brought it up. These kids told you they don't like it. You crossed the line.

It's sad that you can't see how WRONG you were. Any teacher that brings up trans/gender topics to children is screwed up and is BEGGING for trouble.

I think R7 might have said “transcontinental” or something like that. But, still. At this point I would expect an educator to avoid that prefix. And it does seem a little unlikely that a kid would immediately latch on to it (unless the parents have been providing explicit instructions to). The hypothetical scenario illustrates why some parents don’t want teachers touching on this stuff at all. It’s just not appropriate at a young age.

The idea of having trans athletes compete in their own categories or at their own competitions is great in theory, but not that easily workable in practice. Separate trans teams and competitions would cost money and in most cases school would not be able to field a whole team even if they were willing to bear the expense.

Transwomen competing but not winning or scoring points would create issues with line ups as you aren’t going to want a trans woman in a limited number of slots if she can’t possibly score points. In lower level competitions I guess you could just add heats, that’s not a huge inconvenience. But there are still logistics like how many for on the bus, how many hotel rooms does the budget cover, etc. At a national level swimming competition the 8th seeded swimmer in the final heat might have a shot at 3rd place. But not if they are knocked down to 9th. And you still have the potential for a biological man sharing a locker room and hotels rooms with some very young and (in some cases) inexperienced women.

I think there was a trans man cyclist competing in masters events and doing OK and a swimmer at Harvard. It’s not a concern because they aren’t taking spots away from men who have trained hard for years and made sacrifices with the expectation of a relatively level playing field. I guess they might take a spot away from an enthusiastic newcomer or a guy who is trying to to come back from an accident or illness, but the impact is just so much smaller that it doesn’t register.

I’m not against the idea of accommodating transwomen. Just pointing out that it isn’t so easy-peasy.

Good. Next thread, please.

How long before Lia detransitions...3, 2, 1?

It is finally time to pull the sword out of the fallen Democratic Party?

I don't believe for a single minute that Lia isn't a true transsexual and not some failed male athlete gaming a loophole .

Snark aside, this is the sort of nonsense that brings unwelcome attention and more pain to people who are actually trans.

Again, Dylan M., Bruce J. and this drag queen Aquaman do not represent any transsexuals I've ever met.

[quote]No one "hates" trans

Sure

Lia can be a "true transsexual" or a "false transsexual" or a "confused transsexual" or whatever the fuck she is. Doesn't matter. She had no place in competitive womens college athetics where her formerly MALE FUCKING BODY gave her unfair advantage. The end.

The organization that runs women's swimming has a whole list of guidelines you have to follow if you're a trans person wanting to compete. Lia did that. She didn't win fucking everything. In fact, she lost a lot. And still hasn't beaten the times of the very best women swimmers.

I just don't understand why something as low-stakes as women's college swimming gets people so upset.

Unless....maybe people DO hate trans!

Penn, U Penn or the University of Pennsylvania. Not University of Penn.

They really need to think about that name if they want people to know they are a private Ivy League school.

I have an idea.

R40, the bs rules that were devised to allow males into women's sports are being abandoned. The rules for swimming have been restricted to allow only women in women's swimming competitions and Thomas no longer qualifies.

Again, people don't "hate" trans. No one would have given a shit if Thomas said he identified as a transwoman but understood that being biologically male gave him a physical advantage and so he would only participate in the men's competitions. Have you noticed that there are no complaints about transmen competing in women's sports? Surely if your theory about "hating trans" were true, there would be calls to ban transmen from men's sports as well as women's sports. But, transmen choose not to compete against biological men (because biology makes a difference) and are welcome in women's sports.