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Calling someone a ‘Karen’ is ‘borderline racist, sexist and ageist’, tribunal says

Employment judge George Alliott says term, typically targeted at middle-aged white women, is pejorative

Calling someone a “Karen” is “borderline racist, sexist and ageist”, a tribunal judge has said.

Employment judge George Alliott said the term, typically targeted at middle-aged white women, was pejorative.

The remarks came in the case of Sylvia Constance, 74, who had brought claims of unfair dismissal, direct race and age discrimination and victimisation against Harpenden Mencap, a charity that provides support to adults with learning disabilities.

Constance, who the tribunal heard is black British, said she was targeted because of her race, having been dismissed on 13 June 2023 because of an “irrevocable breakdown in the relationship” with Mencap.

Bosses had previously suspended Constance over claims of “emotional/psychological abuse of a tenant in your care” and “bullying and intimidation of colleagues”, the tribunal heard.

Christine Yates, who represented Constance at the tribunal, said in a document: “The respondents have acted like the stereotypical ‘Karen’, having weaponised their privilege and more powerful position against the complainant, making up and suspending the complainant for numerous fictitious infringements, and deflecting from their personal misconduct.

“As egregiously, they encouraged residents under their care to do same. There is also something very sordid about the way in which white, female management have facilitated racism by colluding with white, male residents to give a misogynistic, racist view of the black complainant.”

But Alliott said: “We note Christine Yates uses the slang term ‘Karen’, which is a pejorative and borderline racist, sexist and ageist term.”

The judge dismissed Constance’s claims, saying that the complaints against her were “legitimate” and “did not constitute a targeted racist campaign against her”.

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by Anonymousreply 51June 29, 2025 8:11 PM

If the White hood fits….

by Anonymousreply 1June 28, 2025 11:11 PM

Funny

by Anonymousreply 2June 28, 2025 11:25 PM

Karen Read is a Karen.

by Anonymousreply 3June 28, 2025 11:46 PM

It IS sexist and always has been.

Sexism employed in the (ostensible) attempt to combat racism is still sexism.

by Anonymousreply 4June 28, 2025 11:48 PM

This website wasn't conceived to accommodate straight teenaged girls r4.

by Anonymousreply 5June 28, 2025 11:52 PM

It's sexist and racist for sure.

by Anonymousreply 6June 28, 2025 11:53 PM

I found the term "Karen" as a pejorative offensive from the beginning.

by Anonymousreply 7June 28, 2025 11:57 PM

no cash for the lady, show her the exit and give her a bus token, jejeje

by Anonymousreply 8June 28, 2025 11:59 PM

More crap from straight chick invaders in a gay space.

by Anonymousreply 9June 29, 2025 12:00 AM

I'll never forget an undergraduate student I taught a few years ago. She was soft-spoken and unassuming. She was also having some problems with one of her other professors -- I can't remember the details -- but she had a request that seemed perfectly reasonable. As she was explaining the situation to a friend before class, she said, "I'd say something to him about it, but I don't want to be a Karen."

by Anonymousreply 10June 29, 2025 12:01 AM

It is not nice to anyone named Karen (especially those who are lovely). It's misused on people the same way Shaniqua used to be. It's loaded with race and that's what makes it more potent than merely saying bitch.

Imagine someone saying your name as an insult. My brothers used to insult each other that way when we were growing up.

by Anonymousreply 11June 29, 2025 12:06 AM

[quote] It is not nice to anyone named Karen (especially those who are lovely). It's misused on people the same way Shaniqua used to be. It's loaded with race and that's what makes it more potent than merely saying bitch.

Does it get uncomfortable carrying that heavy, woke chip on your shoulder?

🙄

by Anonymousreply 12June 29, 2025 12:10 AM

Good

by Anonymousreply 13June 29, 2025 12:13 AM

It is ageist, since it was a name that only Boomers and a few of the older Xers have.

by Anonymousreply 14June 29, 2025 12:29 AM

How about “cunt?”

by Anonymousreply 15June 29, 2025 1:12 AM

It's unfair toward Karens.

by Anonymousreply 16June 29, 2025 1:18 AM

It's just a socially acceptable way of saying 'shut up BITCH'

by Anonymousreply 17June 29, 2025 1:31 AM

Won’t someone think of the Karens!

by Anonymousreply 18June 29, 2025 1:40 AM

R4 It’s NOT sexist because it’s always been about holding white women accountable for their behavior.

White women have been slaveowners, anti-suffragists, got black men lynched and have gotten away with it for centuries.

I don’t feel bad for the “Karen” and if you do, you probably are one.

by Anonymousreply 19June 29, 2025 1:48 AM

R6 Nope.

It’s absolutely fitting.

There are middle aged white women who think have power in their household dominating their husbands and children and think their power holds outside of it.

They are entitled, demanding, racist, aggressive, confrontational but also believe they are victims when they don’t get their way.

It’s absolutely a conditioning of the way white women have been treated in the US.

And the last 10 years it’s finally been called out.

Not all white women are Karens, that’s where your racism and sexism falls apart.

by Anonymousreply 20June 29, 2025 1:53 AM

If Karens all tend to be white, why is it racist to call someone Karen?

by Anonymousreply 21June 29, 2025 1:56 AM

So we can go back to calling them cunts?

by Anonymousreply 22June 29, 2025 2:01 AM

Duh, because it's racist against white people.

by Anonymousreply 23June 29, 2025 2:02 AM

Damn, I love the term. I feel like I’ve been confronted by these women all my life. I just didn’t have a name for it.

by Anonymousreply 24June 29, 2025 2:05 AM

A white woman^^

by Anonymousreply 25June 29, 2025 2:07 AM

[quote] R4 It’s NOT sexist because it’s always been about holding white women accountable for their behavior.

So then you're also okay with "Shaniqua," because it's about holding black women accountable for their behavior.

by Anonymousreply 26June 29, 2025 2:14 AM

R26 Black women have been held accountable for poor behavior.

No one minded calling loud black women “Shaniqua” until “Karen” came along.

I do NOT care entitled bitchy white women get offended and officially have a profile now to identify that type of behavior:

by Anonymousreply 27June 29, 2025 3:36 AM

R21 Racism is based on the idea you’re superior because of your race.

White people, including women, use the term because they know exactly what and who a Karen is because they have to deal with her too.

So I don’t understand how it’s racist.

by Anonymousreply 28June 29, 2025 3:38 AM

R24 Exactly, you fit into what I said on my R28 post.

The term can’t be sexism or racist if the same sex and same race are using the term.

And the difference between Shaniqua and Karen is Shaniqua gets loud and ignorant out of defensiveness and Karen is loud and ignorant based on entitlement.

If you start a problem with Shaniqua, she will finish it whereas Karen just starts problems.

by Anonymousreply 29June 29, 2025 3:47 AM

And the funny thing is as R24 said, this behavior has always existed and been noted, it has just never had a name or been studied.

I think of Curley’s wife from “Of Mice and Men”.

by Anonymousreply 30June 29, 2025 3:52 AM

just say FAT PIG instead

most hetero women are fat pigs.

and they stink

by Anonymousreply 31June 29, 2025 4:11 AM

These Karens seem to be much worse than anyone calling them Karens.

by Anonymousreply 32June 29, 2025 4:30 AM

[quote]So then you're also okay with "Shaniqua," because it's about holding black women accountable for their behavior.

Exactly.

by Anonymousreply 33June 29, 2025 11:25 AM

It’s still better than Bitch.

by Anonymousreply 34June 29, 2025 11:50 AM

Peak "Karen" was around summer 2020. It's still a handy descriptor for a certain type of woman, as people across the English-speaking world (Western world, really) instantly know what sort of person you're talking about. During Peak Karen, some women actually named Karen would make up a different name when placing their coffee orders, for fear of being stigmatized. Then again, other Karens were proud to live up to their name.

by Anonymousreply 35June 29, 2025 11:56 AM

Karen is to bitch/cunt what thug is to the n-word. It's putatively more respectable, but most of us can see the slip peeking through.

by Anonymousreply 36June 29, 2025 11:58 AM

Not necessarily, R36. "Karen" is a very specific type of woman: middle-class, middle-aged, demanding, entitled, meddlesome, overly confident, overbearing, and yes, white. It's not interchangeable with "bitch." Of course that is part of the "Karen" trope, but it simply describes a certain type of woman who moves through the world in a certain way. "Gammon" was an insulting term for conservative, traditional white males in Britain. "Thug" can refer to any brutish, violent male of any race or ethnicity. There are Neo-Nazi thugs, white supremacist thugs, British hooligan thugs, Dutch underworld thugs, and so on.

by Anonymousreply 37June 29, 2025 12:09 PM

The word "thug," especially in the wake of Michael Brown, George Floyd, et al, took on a very racialized meaning, and to deny it is willful ignorance.

by Anonymousreply 38June 29, 2025 12:14 PM

There's a lot more to the world than just the U.S. context, R38, and besides, even the pre-2020s American popular imagination was inhabited by thugs of all ethnic backgrounds. The Sopranos, Boardwalk Empire, Sons of Anarchy, Peaky Blinders, and numerous other crime dramas feature thugs and henchmen. Just because certain deplorable white racists made "thug" a racially coded substitute for "black man" doesn't mean they own the term. Just like not every person who describes someone as a "Karen" is a misogynist.

by Anonymousreply 39June 29, 2025 12:27 PM

Has Karen Johnson discussed this in The Spew?

by Anonymousreply 40June 29, 2025 12:43 PM

R38 = Woke Karen.

by Anonymousreply 41June 29, 2025 12:54 PM

"This website wasn't conceived to accommodate straight teenaged girls"

Indeed. It was conceived to accommodate the tastes of straight teenaged girls from 1986. Another Facts of Life thread, ladies?

by Anonymousreply 42June 29, 2025 12:55 PM

R12, does it get embarrassing being an asshole?

by Anonymousreply 43June 29, 2025 1:02 PM

I have a friend named Karen who's black.

She's been beside herself.

She says her mother could at least have spelled it "Kaer'in."

by Anonymousreply 44June 29, 2025 1:27 PM

Great example of a Karen

The police are beneath her.

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by Anonymousreply 45June 29, 2025 2:23 PM

I’ll tell you. I work for a beauty supply company and we’ve shut down 2 stores in the last 4 years and a lot of it had to do with the “Karen”.

Like a lot of stores for middle aged white women are closing and it’s not just because of online shopping, it has to do with the consumers being cheap and demanding.

I work in management but I volunteered to go work a floor shift at a store (big mistake) because there were no employees that day and I was TORTURED and ABUSED over nail files and hair pins and tweezers, which is all secondary (impulse) products at our shop, the entire day. I could not wait to get out of there. And the irony is was this store was in an affluent town with neighboring affluent towns.

Normal white women today shop online. The only people left coming to retail stores are cheap and bored white women who want to be entertain themselves by torturing employees or to be fed attention and “service”.

Working in customer service, I haven’t been called a “servant” at least twice by white women.

by Anonymousreply 46June 29, 2025 2:47 PM

LOL r42

by Anonymousreply 47June 29, 2025 7:56 PM

[quote] just say FAT PIG instead

I agree 100%

I hate Karen(s)!!

by Anonymousreply 48June 29, 2025 8:00 PM

It grew, and maybe even originated, on Black Twitter.

by Anonymousreply 49June 29, 2025 8:02 PM

If it's being defended on DataLounge then of course it's sexist and racist!

by Anonymousreply 50June 29, 2025 8:05 PM

Sticks and stones...

by Anonymousreply 51June 29, 2025 8:11 PM
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