Sotomayor Warns No One Is Safe After Birthright Citizenship Ruling

The US and Canada are the last Western countries that still have birthright citizenship, all of the others got rid of it. Ireland was the last in the early 2000s because it was being flagrantly abused. They actually put it to a vote and about 80% of Irish citizens voted to end it.

Why did so many Americans vote to put the nation through this hell? Even if you are bitter about immigration, I’m surprised any American wants to turn this country into one where anybody can be hassled for their “papers.” They say they wanted to “drain the swamp” but they’ve filled it with hateful crooks.

R2 They didn't.

R 1 Ireland altered the qualifications for birthright citizenship, but did not end it.

They’re voting to give Trump the power to throw out people who were born in the US.

I am pretty sure that most countries in Europe have birthright citizenship. They are more progressive on this issue than the United States.

r6 automatic birthright citizenship is not available in any European country if at least one parent is not a citizen or permanent resident of that country.

Ok.

I'm glad it's being ended. It doesn't make sense at all today, and is basically a backdoor for more illegal immigration.

She's right, especially someone who looks like her.

I can see ICE trying to lock up a liberal Hispanic Supreme Court justice.

Can't you?

R5 Exactly. Except he’s not just throwing them out, he’s throwing people in for-profit prisons. This is modern day slavery, trafficking. America has turned into the kind of place that needs Amnesty International’s help. What a shithole.

Biden should have just closed the border and stopped letting people in. Why didn’t he do that?

R9 isn’t following the argument at all. The point isn’t to debate immigration (an issue they clearly don’t understand either), but the rule of law. The Constitution couldn’t be clearer on this issue, but 6 justices decided to hit the snooze button.

Just to annoy *you*, r12. Tee-hee.

R6 You must be right. Everything seems so much more stylish there.

Immigration was never a political issue until Biden was president!

[quote] The US and Canada are the last Western countries that still have birthright citizenship, all of the others got rid of it. Ireland was the last in the early 2000s because it was being flagrantly abused. They actually put it to a vote and about 80% of Irish citizens voted to end it.

What is the relevance of this comment? If we wish, through a democratic process, to modify the existing constitutional provisions for citizenship we can do so. That is not what has happened here and not the reason why people are alarmed.

R12 Biden did not close the border and sided with leftists because he was not in charge. He is someone with age-related health issues and wants no focus on those. Nothing wrong with having health issues, as everyone ages differently. Part of how nature builds us, which is why socialism and all the nonsense the leftists push never work. If he did not accede to leftist demands, they would make an issue about his age, and he needed all the support for his reelection. He took some action only when it was becoming a losing issue. Not to blame him, as probably his advisers were running the show. A strong president would not have let things get out of control or deviate from their principles.

Biden was mentally incapacitated due to age-related cognitive decline. He didn't know WTF was going on half the time.

[quote]Nothing wrong with having health issues, as everyone ages differently. Part of how nature builds us, which is why socialism and all the nonsense the leftists push never work.

Did these two sentences have some semblance of meaning when they echoed in your vacant head?

[quote]What is the relevance of this comment?

That pretty much everybody else was fed up with birthright citizenship and wanted to change it.

Bless your heart, r19.

LOTS of trolls here

Can we deport these Trumptard trolls then?

[quote]Biden was mentally incapacitated due to age-related cognitive decline. He didn't know WTF was going on half the time.

Yeah, and now we have a president who’s both mentally incapacitated with people in vital positions who are wholly unqualified to be in said positions. Have any other insights genius?

[quote]I'm glad it's being ended. It doesn't make sense at all today, and is basically a backdoor for more illegal immigration.

Ummm. We probably need immigration as much as we ever had in our history. In the past we had much higher fertility rates and no social programs for the elderly to fund.

No degenerate Republican can EVER accuse any judge of "legislating from the bench" after these sickies have finished torching the Constitution!

r22 It's the truth. You can take your passive-aggressive "bless your heart" shit and shove it straight up your prolapsed hole. That old man never should've been allowed to run in 2020, we needed a younger Dem candidate. If that had happened, we probably wouldn't be in this fucking mess.

[quote]That pretty much everybody else was fed up with birthright citizenship and wanted to change it.

Ah, okay. I've got it now that you explained it. Immigration has so much popular disapproval that we shouldn't rely on a democratic process to implement policy changes to discourage it. Curbing immigration is so popular that we have to allow dangerous, non-democratic processes to achieve. Makes sense now!

So bitter about the past, aren't you, r28? Don't let it eat you alive.

[quote] Why did so many Americans vote to put the nation through this hell?

Not joking, some no doubt did vote specifically to put you through hell. There’s a lot of animosity between the two sides.

[Quote] The US and Canada are the last Western countries that still have birthright citizenship, all of the others got rid of it

On purpose. The whole American Dream is about being your own person and not having to base your life on what your parents did. This is exactly what the citizenship amendment meant to do.

Yes, Trump could move to deport anyone now, even if you were born in the US. Each person would have to hire a lawyer and prove they were American citizens

[Quote] Biden did not close the border and sided with leftists because he was not in charge.

Biden followed the law. If you crossed the border asking for asylum you deserved a hearing before an immigration judge to determine if you merited asylum.

Also, a huge reason why our economy did so much better than the rest of the world’s after Covid was because these immigrants did all the jobs American s wouldn’t, keeping the economy buzzing

[Quote] Biden was mentally incapacitated due to age-related cognitive decline. He didn't know WTF was going on half the time.

Just because the right says that all the time doesn’t make it true. The right peddles in lies

[Quote] Biden should have just closed the border and stopped letting people in. Why didn’t he do that?

Because we needed those immigrants

[quote]Immigration was never a political issue until Biden was president!

It's a slight exaggeration, but the sentence does contain a lot of truth. Immigration was not an enormous political issue until Trump's 2016 campaign. Until then, there was an implicit acceptance that immigration, even illegal immigration, was central to our way of life and that no strong majority wanted to disrupt the status quo. As evidence, just recall that Reagan signed the biggest amnesty for illegal aliens in history. There was tacit agreement that we needed immigrants to fill many job categories, that many immigrants pay taxes without being able to register for the benefits they fund, and that our aging population needed more young people than our citizens were giving birth to.

Central to Trump's success as a conman is to offer up the most self-indulgent free-lunch policies in a tough-guy packaging. Everything he offers is a promise of pleasure and no pain, including his immigration policy. He promised that the degenerates who voted for him could enjoy the psychic pleasure of scapegoating and brutalizing illegal immigrants (e.g., those grotesque immigrant round-ups he plays at rallies) and not sacrifice your current standard of living. Of course, this free lunch fantasy is already unraveling, and Trump has already proposed exceptions for agriculture and hospitality jobs. He knows his spoiled votes can't live with the consequences of their own sadism. And that addresses only the very immediate consequences his spoiled voters can't live with, but Trump will be dead by the time his idiot voters wonder why there is no one to fund their social security and Medicare.

[Quote] That pretty much everybody else was fed up with birthright citizenship and wanted to change it.

Only white right wingers scared of brown people

I hate this country. Right now. An asteroid can’t hit the planet soon enough.

It's Simple. If Mom and Dad are illegal aliens, the child's birth right is the country they are from, END OF STORY !!!!

Miss Clarence Thomas - still sore from that High Tech lynching.

For a big price, Trump would still allow some people to come to the US and drop an anchor baby. Example, a Saudi or Qatari family ponies up $10 million dollars for an exemption. Straight into the Trump Crime Family coffers.

R40 has spoken (in ALL CAPS)!!!!!

What many of you fail to realize is many of these jobs "Americans refuse to do" used to pay a living wage for the average American. You can pretend these immigrants are our saviors, but in reality, they have devalued every industry they have infiltrated.

First of all, many or most of these immigrant didn’t pay a living wage. Picking crops on somebody else’s farm has never been a good living. Second, it’s useless to talk about higher wage rates unless you are willing to pay more for the goods those wage earners produce.

The end of story is there are only Trump rules going forward-America castrated.

[quote]6 justices decided to hit the snooze button.

If only.

R45, why pay for an experienced union carpenter when you can just roll into a Home Depot parking lot and fill up your truck with willing immigrants ready to do the job. Once again, they have devalued every industry they have infiltrated. Don't even get me started on safety concerns.

“Picking crops on somebody else’s farm has never been a good living”

It’s work Americans won’t do (for half the minimum wage)!

The DL joke a year ago about the Datalounge Concentration/Death Camps once we get rounded up and will or won’t there be certain amenities and the proper decor-the horror is only beginning.

R49. You would lock crops for minimum wage?

W3e're all so fucked.

Lock Crops?

R1 is wrong. Not for the first time I’m sure.

Look at all of those countries with birthright citizenship

[quote]Jus soli is the predominant rule in the Americas; explanations for this geographical phenomenon include: the establishment of lenient laws by past European colonial powers to entice immigrants from the Old World and displace native populations in the New World, along with the emergence of successful wars of independence movements that widened the definition and granting of citizenship, as a prerequisite to the abolishment of slavery since the 19th century.

a complicated history, to say the least

Not in the US. It’s about as clear-cut as can be.

It’s in the constitution.

Nicole Kidman should be one of the first to get deported.

R53. How clever!

Nicole Kidman should be deported because of her hideous hair OMG.

r38 that is such an ignorant and simplistic argument and you clearly know nothing about why this was ended in various European countries. Americans see everything in terms of race.

Well, Democrats are a grievance party. This one can be added to their interminable list of grievances. Abortion, Racism, Immigration, Citizenship, rich white and asian people, smart and talented white and asian people, Jews, mathematics (in their view, 2+2 is 5), magnet schools. I wonder how these people can even be happy if they carry so many grievances every day. Maybe they found a savior in Mamdani who can end all their grievances and magically eliminate poverty and all of humanity's troubles.

Hahaha. Nice try. You think we’ve forgotten witnessing all of the MAGA losers bitching about everything under the sun and attributing all their failures to someone else? Or their loser president who blames everyone else for his failures?

It is really not even in the constitution. We are stupid to continue acknowledging it.

I would go as far to prevent people not born in the US from being allowed to run for office.

[quote]What many of you fail to realize is many of these jobs "Americans refuse to do" used to pay a living wage for the average American.

When exactly was that, r44?

Give me a break, R66. If you can't understand how the construction industry has been decimated by migrants that's on you.

[quote] It is really not even in the constitution. We are stupid to continue acknowledging it.

All right, constitutional scholar. Are you going to provide a demonstration of that claim?

This case didn’t settle the constitutionality of birthright citizenship, only “…whether lower courts can issue ‘nationwide injunctions’ halting Trump’s anti–birthright citizenship order from being enforced against anyone, and not just those challenging the order in court or living in a jurisdiction where it’s being challenged.”

But I do get how this ruling intensifies the discussion about birthright citizenship, even though it mainly expands executive power, and limits that of individual federal judges, independent of the executive order challenged.

According to OP, Sotomayor is an idiot.

This was a foolish move on the part of SCOTUS. SCOTUS usually steps in when different Courts of Appeal come to different conclusions and SCOTUS has to clarify the issue. Imagine now that Judges A B C and D agree that an executive action is unconstitutional, and Judges E and F feel it is constitutional. Before, the single judge's injunction would be appealed ONCE to his own appeals court and then the executive branch could appeal that ruling (if it is upheld on appeal) to the SCOTUS. Now there will be dozens of rulings covering many different Appeals jurisdictions. What a nightmare for the SCOTUS and they will have brought it upon themselves.

@ R69

I guess that's following 'the narrowest of rulings' principle...

[quote] Give me a break, [R66]. If you can't understand how the construction industry has been decimated by migrants that's on you.

All I know is that where I live it is almost impossible to find anyone available for remodelling projects.

What's to stop Trump from issuing an Executive Order saying, "Henceforth, the only marriages that are valid are between a man and a woman. All other marriages are null and void." Do all 50 states have to file class action lawsuits to stop it? Get ready for a slew of whacky Executive Orders.

No doubt it’s a quagmire, R74. I wonder how much they might have limited “class-action” against executive orders altogether, but I’m not a legal scholar. Hopefully some here can weigh in. Is Neal Katyal a DLer?

What’s to stop the next democratic president from issuing an EO saying “firearms are now illegal” saying the 2nd Amendment clearly says “A well regulated militia…” and was never meant to allow the debacle we have in this country today. Now a judge has no authority to issue an opinion that binds nationwide. All things cut both ways.

[Quote] [R12] Biden did not close the border and sided with leftists because he was not in charge.

Who was president before Biden, r18, and what did that fellow do?

Without universal laws on basic rights, the US will become even more divided. Immigrants, liberals and ethnic groups will get out of red states (for good reasons). The red states will be white, Christian and guns only. It’s a terrible ruling and will create chaos.

One world one nation thats how it has to be. So sorry Nationalists, your divisive, I am the special one illusion is plain as day to thinking living humans. They are everywhare and you are surrounded by them.

[quote]All I know is that where I live it is almost impossible to find anyone available for remodelling projects.

They're all on Onlyfans now

[quote]One world one nation thats how it has to be. So sorry Nationalists, your divisive, I am the special one illusion is plain as day to thinking living humans. They are everywhare and you are surrounded by them.

The whiter neighborhoods just need more taxes. That will solve the problem!

It’s becoming cleaner that everything we’ve been taught America supposedly is, is a lie

She's right.

And with the latest from the Supreme Court giving Trump the path to govern by Executive Orders unchecked by courts, the U.S. is over. It's just a matter of how long it takes everyone to realize it.

Will this include all the wealthy Chinese women who flock to the west coast to give birth? It's a cottage industry at this point.

Also, tRump and his new Roy Cohn, Steven Miller, have still been unable to match the deportation rates of previous administrations. And I don't recall any of these current Nazi tactics being necessary.

After drunk Pete H.s' military parade failure, falling poll numbers, and the soon to be debunked "obliteration" of the Iranian nuclear program, you'd think there would be some level of shame.

[Quote] What’s to stop the next democratic president from issuing an EO saying “firearms are now illegal” saying the 2nd Amendment clearly says “A well regulated militia…

Because more Dem Presidents are weenies

Sotomayor is absolutely correct.

Upcoming Trump Executive Orders:

All Americans must go to bed by 10:00 p.m. Anyone in public after 10:00 p.m. will be arrested except law enforcement and essential city workers.

Any man dressed as a woman, or any woman dressed as a man, will be jailed in El Salvador for at least three years and fined $1,000,000.

Any white woman who delivers a healthy white baby boy will be paid $50,000. A woman who delivers a healthy white baby girl will be paid $5,000. This Executive Order only applies to states with a Republican governor and legislature.

Voting now requires proof of citizenship (valid passport and copies of three household bills in your name) and voting must take place only on election day, in person. NO EXCEPTIONS.

Anal sex, or any other form of deviant sex is hereby BANNED, subject to deportation to El Salvador.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THESE MATTERS.

I can’t believe that there’s nothing that anyone can do about this horrible situation that our country is in right now…I feel like a cornered animal.

I haven't seen my "mow and blow" guy for a month now. Where is he, I wonder.

R88 you are right. We have Mamdani, AOC, and rabid leftists. What should we do? These people will destroy America.

The Pandora’s box this could open is just mind blowing in its awfulness. Even a DACA/dreamer kid was born somewhere else and could in theory get a passport from a consulate. Kids trapped in this nightmare truly would be stateless. Lost. I cannot comprehend what it would be like to grow up like this.

How old are you R82? Or have you just been asleep your entire life?

Elena Kagan: “It just can’t be right that one district judge can stop a nationwide policy in its tracks and leave it stopped for the years that it takes to go through the normal process.”

The smart thing to do would be to initiate a Constitutional amendment in Congress to get the ball rolling in eliminating that provision of the 14th Amendment. It shouldn't be an especially heavy lift to get the necessary votes in Congress and in the state legislatures.

The rationale for the provision has long since become moot.

If it passed such matters would then be provided for by Federal statute, which for this day and age is more rational.

R94. I really don't think birthright citizenship is on even the list of top 50 concerns facing our nation. I realize it causes psychic harm to a fair number of people, but there are a lot of other more urgent amendments.

We are a country of immigrants, unlike any other. You can't move to Italy and become an Italian, nor Japan and become Japanese. We grow and benefit from immigrants, and every American that is not a Native American, is either descended from slaves, immigrants or refugees. I guess these bigots have short memories, and probably would have been the first to complain if their ancestors were mistreated, or deported. If we end birthright, and curtail immigration, we aren't America anymore. Only 15% of us even get a Bachelors degree, so who is going to take the jobs requiring a degree? As with most issues making noise, they aren't really big issues - just a smoke screen for the real evil and the real changes they are making behind the curtain. I think the SCOTUS is a joke, they are politicians wearing robes, and I wouldn't call Sotomayor a liberal, even if you use the term very loosely. We're fucked, period.

The only hope is that because they have rushed out Project 2025 goals so quickly, the pushback in the midterms will be overwhelming and cut them off at the knees. But the damage is going to take decades to repair.

The next Democratic Presidential candidate should run on “I’ll execute Gorsuch, Kavanuagh, and Coney Barren. The Supreme Court gave the President absolute immunity.”

Every country has the right to change its laws. Just because something worked till now does not mean there should be a reevaluation. I do not see the argument about a nation of immigrants remaining as such. Every nation, if you peer back in time, has been a nation of immigrants. So it should not mean status quo. Some immigrants mean harm to the country, and I think that the slow growth of immigration leads to assimilation and acculturation. America is great and wealthy because of its unique culture.

[quote]America is great and wealthy because of its unique culture.

The U.S. is barely a weak shadow of what it was at peak in the 20thC, and what's left in terms of value and reputation is being shredded at hyper-speed. It's a pariah state with a huge military and soon will have lost all its goodwill, the qualities of its people, its institutions, and will be in financially ruins.

Midterms? The damage will be irreparable before then.

Coney Barrett is hardly "barren."

[quote]We are a country of immigrants, unlike any other. You can't move to Italy and become an Italian

What does it mean to be Italian?

Prior to 1861, there was no "Italy," just a collection of various kingdoms, duchies, and city-states.

These included the Kingdom of Sardinia, the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies, the Papal States, and the Kingdom of Lombardy-Venetia, among others.

This fragmentation was a result of centuries of political and territorial divisions, with different regions owing allegiance to various powers, including the Holy Roman Empire, the Byzantine Empire, and the Papacy.

The unification of Italy in 1861 was a complex process, involving wars, political maneuvering, and popular uprisings, which ultimately led to the creation of a unified kingdom under Victor Emmanuel II (King of Sardinia 1849-1861, then King of Italy 1861-1878).

While 1861 marked the beginning of unified Italy, the process wasn't fully complete. Venetia was added in 1866, and Rome and the Papal States were incorporated in 1870.

The monarchy was abolished post-WW2 under Victor Emmanuel III (King of Italy 1900-1946) whose reign encompassed the birth, rise, and fall of the Fascist regime (i.e. Benito Mussolini).

In short, the United States has been a nation longer than Italy. The U.S. declared its independence from Britain in 1776, while Italy unified as a nation in 1861, the same year the U.S. Civil War began.

R102 A lot of European countries are like that.

Germany is another one that didn't become unified until the German Empire, which was formed in 1871 when the Kingdom of Prussia led the unification of various constituent states, kingdoms, and duchies. The empire ended with the November Revolution of 1918 in the final days of WWI, which led to the establishment of the Weimar Republic (1918-1933). And the rest is history.

For four years of Biden’s presidency , conservative district judges put national injunction after injunction to stop his agenda. SCOTUS said absolutely nothing. In fact, they sometimes affirmed the injunctions.

This is a SCOTUS that is will allow Republican presidents to amass power but will undermine Dem presidents.

All the injunctions against the Trump administration currently (mainly his trying to stop funding for cities and schools because they won’t bow to him and firing federal workers), will suddenly disappear now

[quote]This is a SCOTUS that is will allow Republican presidents to amass power but will undermine Dem presidents.

That’s why the Republican members of SCOTUS need to be removed. Whether that’s by impeachment or by Luigi’ing them.

Of course, R102, as far as governments, the U.S. is an old one. That's not a secret, no more than that a good many "old" European countries have a long history but their governments are young relative the U.S..

The idea that the U.S. is some bold young experiment is wrong, despite being repeated frequently - it's not so unique or so much a newcomer on either count.

Not sure what R96 was trying to say with, "You can't move to Italy and become an Italian." If he's making some sort of distinction between citizenship and fully assuming a new nationality, that's far from guaranteed. You can become a permanent resident if another nation, you can become a citizen, but there's no country test i know of that welcomes a full embrace beyond the legal status.

You can certainly move to Italy and become an Italian citizen if you meet immigration requirements, the same as you can move to the U.S. under certain conditions and become a U.S. citizen, or many other countries. Whether a Moroccan immigrant naturalized as an Italian citizen will be made to 'feel" like an Italian is no more certain than that a Haitian immigrant who becomes a naturalized U.S. citizen will ever feel fully an American...who can say, but the citizenship path is available in both cases for people who meet the criteria.

R73, try task rabbit

[quote]That’s why the Republican members of SCOTUS need to be removed. Whether that’s by impeachment or by Luigi’ing them.

Do you realize how crazy and unstable you sound?

A lot of Democrats come off that way on social media.

They don't seem to realize that the internet is forever and everyone can see your posts/videos.

But keep talking like that and continue to drive people away.

[Quote] But keep talking like that and continue to drive people away.

Drive them away where? The right talks the exact same way

R110 I haven't seen conservatives on social media wishing death and destruction on their fellow Americans. They're too patriotic for that. The worst they'll say is for liberals to get the fuck out of the USA.

There was a recent video of two Californians begging Iran to bomb the South and Midwest. Who does that?

No, they’re so patriotic!

Birthright citizenship really must be gotten rid of pronto. As R1 stated, it is being flagrantly abused, is being used not in the spirit for which it was intended when right, and, though seemingly noble and beneficent, makes no sense in a world of cheap, expansive global air travel.

My brother was born in Italy, the son of an American diplomat. He does not qualify for Italian citizenship.

Does that mean the Laguardia terminal where all the Jamaican broads fly in to have their anchor babies will be shut down?

Not the terminal, but all the cheap hotels near airports on both coasts for all the pregnant mamas ready to pop flying in from 3rd world countries.

[quote] Birthright citizenship really must be gotten rid of pronto. As [R1] stated, it is being flagrantly abused, is being used not in the spirit for which it was intended when right, and, though seemingly noble and beneficent, makes no sense in a world of cheap, expansive global air travel.

Yes! Literally millions of people are doing this and the cost of it it is in the trillions. It’s been documented! This is a matter of utmost urgency.

[quote]There was a recent video of two Californians begging Iran to bomb the South and Midwest. Who does that?

So clueless, too, because the majority of blacks reside in the South than anywhere else in the country.

"Sotomayor Warns No One Is Safe After Birthright Citizenship Ruling"... no one is safe after kissing that mouth of hers - yuck!🤮

Some people like to be played a patsy and a fool, right R117?

R120. Some people are highly gullible and obsessive, right?

I mean...you guys ARE aware of what's happening, right?