I guess JFK was pro-abortion

They're all for abortion when their mistress gets pregnant. Don't be naïve, OP.

OP are you aware plenty of Republican "Christian" "pro-life" men have paid for their mistress's abortions (without their wives knowing)?

Catholic hypocrite

Abortion was NOT a political issue during the life of either Jack or Bobby Kennedy. I seriously doubt you will find a public comment from either on the subject.

Wouldn't this have already come out? Did Gay randy make this shit up. everyone is dead!!

R5:

[quote]It's a little-known chapter in the life of the 35th president and might have remained that way were it not for Lundberg's family, who shared her unpublished memoir and personal diaries with Taraborrelli.

[quote]"Joan was a big revelation for me," the author adds. "She acted as his therapist in many ways. Because she was outside of his Washington circle, he opened up to her — and began to reckon with his flaws." By weaving Lundberg's story and portions of her manuscript into his new book, he says, "You're left with a portrait of a very interesting woman."

[quote]On August 19, 1956, the senator from Massachusetts met Joan Lundberg, 23, standing in front of the jukebox at The Sip and Surf, a dive bar in Santa Monica, Calif. “What are you gonna play?” he asked her. “I was thinking Elvis Presley, but what would you like to hear?” she asked. He said he wanted to hear something “so I can concentrate on you.” Corny, but not bad.

[quote] When Jack asked where she lived, she told him it was in a “trailer court close by,” not hesitating. “What the hell’s a trailer court?” he asked. She laughed and answered, “You don’t want to know.”

[quote]After about 15 minutes Jack, then 39, said goodbye and returned to his friends.

[quote]Half an hour later, bar owner Pat Dorian called her to the phone. She picked it up. “How ah ya?” came back the voice with its broad Bostonian accent. It was Jack. He was leaving town tomorrow for Italy but would return in two weeks.

[quote]On Aug. 24 Jack found out Jackie, then 27, had given birth to their stillborn daughter Arabella. Four days later he returned to Hammersmith Farm, her family’s estate in Newport, R.I., where she was recuperating — and fed up.

[quote]She’d always felt something was missing in his nature, and now she knew what it was: empathy. When Jackie wept at the breakfast table and said, “How could I have been so stupid?” her mother, Janet, reached out and took her hand. “You’re not stupid,” she told her. “You just put your trust in the wrong person.”

[quote]In early September, Jack returned to L.A. and invited Joan to a dinner party at the home of his sister Pat and her husband, actor Peter Lawford.

[quote]Joan later remembered feeling insecure and out of her element, though she certainly looked stylish in an outfit from Jax in Beverly Hills, a boutique favored by Marilyn Monroe. She would later write: “He lit up the room. People came over just to be near him, his energy magnetic. I thought, well of course, that’s the politician in him. But I soon realized that, no, that’s just who he is.”

[quote]At about midnight, Jack drove Joan up Pacific Coast Highway to a nondescript 1930s motor court called the Sunset Motel. They checked in as “Mr. and Mrs. Robert Thompson.” The sex that night was “wild,” claimed Joan. The next morning over breakfast, he unburdened himself. His fears, his insecurities. It was as if she was so removed from his circle, he could share anything. According to what Joan later recalled, Jack admitted that he and Jackie were the product of “an arranged marriage” and, as such marriages go, he said it was “fine. Not great, but okay.”

[quote] Jack said his family had turned against him for not being there for Jackie after Arabella’s stillbirth.

[quote]He admitted that “We Kennedys aren’t the best at expressing emotion.” Joan told him, “I’ll bet that’s the great excuse of your life.” Joan asked him if he’d grown to love his wife. He hesitated. “I don’t know that I love anything,” was his answer. That can’t be true, she said. After a moment, he added, “I love politics. I don’t know how to love anything else.”

[quote]Jack Kennedy had no sooner walked into the foyer of Hammersmith Farm upon his return to Newport when Jackie hit him with a question: “Who’s Trailer Park Joan?” As he collected his thoughts, she clarified things: “The divorcée! Your sister told me all about her!” He explained that Joan was someone he’d met in Los Angeles. Joan is vague in her unpublished memoir about how much Jack told Jackie, only that he told her pretty much everything.

[quote]Within weeks his father, Joe Kennedy, got a call from a top New York attorney who’d been retained to represent Jackie in a divorce. Joe met Jackie for lunch in New York to talk about it.

[quote]Joe told Jackie that if she agreed to stay in the marriage he could give her the freedom to do whatever she liked. He would offer her $100,000 upon the birth of her and Jack’s first child.

[quote]Jackie accepted the offer but had to find a way to cope with her husband’s infidelity.

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I'm calling bullshit - all this guy does is write shitty fame biographies. J. Randy?

And the Kennedy clan continues to infect our nation, as this dirtball's nephew, an ex heroin addict and current illegal steroids abuser, is currently dictating national health care policy.

The story throughout the years was Ambassador Kennedy offered Jackie 1 million dollars to say with his son Jack

Jack Kennedy slept with lots of "white trash trailer park women" who were smart& pretty.

Gay randy made this shit up!!

This is like poorly written fan fiction. And this trailer park Joan if she isn't an invention, she is a fantasist. Randy was never very credible.

Nobody under 80 voted fir JFK.

R11 and R12, you are both correct. I believe this book is a total fantasy of Gay randy's mind

R13 all that aside, generally speaking, JFK really was a pig when it came to women. I would never dispute his love of politics, but he also had a love of history. In fact, Jackie was a great match for him because she had a passion for history and understood politics in a way most politicians' wives never could. Her understanding and appreciation of arts and culture and history was an effective support for his diplomatic and foreign policy needs.

ALL men are pro-abortion when they don't want the kid. It's only when it's YOUR kid you don't want that they're against abortion.

I wish people would ... er, uh ... stop writing bullshit biographies about me.

Yea, no. Bullshit. Any “verified” sex story related to JFK had made note of his less than stellar skill set. No one ever said anything about him being “wild.” He had another major back surgery shortly after the time of this alleged wild sex.

Timing is suss. On August 17th, 1956 JFK was in Chicago losing the Democratic nomination for VP at the convention that again selected Adlai Stevenson as the D's Kamikaze presidential candidate against Eisenhower. On August 20th he's on a yacht sailing in the Mediterranean with "friends of both sexes" then, on August 23rd, Jackie has a stillbirth in Newport, RI. JFK's friend onboard the yacht, George Smathers, US Senator from Florida, told him despite his reluctance to get back to Jackie, he'd "Better haul your ass back to your wife if you ever want to run for President."

He met a stew in LA on the night of August 19th? In 1956 you could not go from Los Angeles to the Mediterranean overnight even if you owned the airline. The US Air Force could have done it back then, but didn't.

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I told you that "Gay Randy's" story is Bullshit!! R18 is correct.

Always thought it strange that with all the literaly thousands of pre pill women JFK shagged he didn't have any illegtimate kids. His chronic STD's may have limited his baby making ability (it caused Jackie's miscarriages) or Old Joe must have had a house abortionist on call 24/7.

His chronic STD's may have limited his baby making ability (it caused Jackie's miscarriages).

Completely made up info^^

The Kennedys are trash. This isn’t news.

Not made up, R22, listed as chronic UTIs on his medical records. Jackie got the million dollars to stick with Jack from old Joe after being infected. Can’t say it did or didn’t play a role in her miscarriages.

You have no authority for that…or you’d share it.

Unfortunately, RFK wasn't.

R21 a friend had been trying to get pregnant. When she had a miscarriage, doctor said cause was her husband's sperm. They tried again, same result.

R22 frau for brains

I don't really know that much about reproduction, being Gay, etc. But I do know that if the sperm and the egg don't connect properly then it doesn't work out. But I have never hear that STDs were at fault. Unless the woman had them and somehow her uterus was scarred?

You people are ridiculous.

R29 "I really don't know that much about pretending to be Gay ect..

That's a damned lie!

I checked. If you have one of them STDs you can fuck up a pregnancy. R31 are you saying I'm pretending? Because it will be a serious surprise to my partner that I'm pretending. Bet you're not pretending to be an asshole, right?

If he was so pro-abortion, why the fuck didn’t he intervene when that nose picking sister in law of his was pregnant with our HHS secretary?

Even a jackass like R26 who, instead of asking for more information tries - and fails, again - to insult those offering it, can look at JFK’s medical records at the Kennedy Library. He’ll piss and moan, as here, but if he wanted to, he’d read about the ongoing “urinary tract infections” for which he was treated for years by physicians at the Lahey Clinic and the New England Baptist Hospital as well as by Dr. Janet Travell, a pain specialist, at the White House during his Presidency.

Robert Dallek was among the first to see the medical records, a story about which appeared in the NY Times 23 years ago and a copy of which is linked below. The records have been available to researchers since, clearly unbeknownst to R26. There are still limitations placed on access, making it somewhat difficult (one needs to be or to be accompanied by a physician) to see them but it’s entirely possible: I have.

UTI's are something old people get before they die. So they're saying he had UTIs instead of being honest and saying it was Syphilis. Or Gonorrhea. Or Chlamydia. Or does an STD cause a UTI ?

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The book’s been out for a while

R33 sweetie bet you're not pretending to be the tongue in my asshole ,right.

It's pretty astonishing that the press kept so quiet about JFK's affairs at the time.

That was a longstanding practice, Kit/R41. The "press" is very amorphous now, but I would argue that the practice continued at least through Clinton. It wasn't the mainstream press that unearthed his relationship with Monica Lewinsky, but a lawsuit brought by Paula Jones.

Oh please, people are pro-abortion when it affects them.

Many cases of conservative men paying for abortions for their mistresses and wives

Joe Kennedy offered and Jackie (always a courtesan) took it r10.

I'm not a Kennedy fan and what many still believe to be true is complete fiction.

Jack was bad at sex and had a small penis. He was also doped up regularly with shots of meth. So was Jackie.

To be fair, if America had todays' 24 hour news cycle, the Camelot legacy wouldn't exist.

That Ahole tRump didn't write The Art of the Deal, but JFK didn't write Profiles in Courage either. That's just one example.

The whole Kennedy myth is dying out with the passing of my parents' generation. I don't miss the tour busses.

[quote] listed as chronic UTIs on his medical records

Men rarely get UTIs. That’s a chick thing for a whole host of reasons. It takes long for bacteria to go up the shaft and into the bladder. For women it’s easy. I doubt he had chronic UTIs.

Jeez, it’s been explained above. “UTI” was a euphemism for “STD” then. The diseases aren’t the same even if some of the symptoms and treatments are similar and “nice” people didn’t get syph or the clap back then. Docs were more cautious in the pre-HIPPA era: patients weren’t listed as “grossly obese” in 1956, they were “exceptionally well-nourished.” They may have been more circumspect in what they wrote but any other doc of that era knew exactly what was being referenced.

In Ben Bradlee's book "Conversations with Kennedy" (1974/75), he reported that JFK stated that he was "all for people solving their problems by/with abortion.

Before the late ‘70s, early ‘80s, when abortion began to be made a central tenet of the Republican party to appeal to a rising tide of fundamentalist christian sects, intelligent, mature people who lived in the real world and who understood that life, raltionships and sex were complicated issues — all supported abortions, and wished to make them as safe as possible. Even religious leaders were not automatically against necessarily abortion in every case..

But then the most unhinged conservative sects became increasingly vocal and politicized, and suddenly they were the only ones heard from when a ‘religious’ point of view on the subject was sought. I’m a baby boomer and among the women in my family and even in my working class neighborhood, these things were discussed openly and D&Cs were common. As usual, right wing loons insisted on ruining everyone’s lives in the name of Jesus and ‘American values.’

[quote] Before the late ‘70s, early ‘80s, when abortion began to be made a central tenet of the Republican party to appeal to a rising tide of fundamentalist christian sects

Conversely, in response to the GOP being captured by evangelicals, the Democratic Party became dominated by feminists, who dictated a pro-choice agenda. Many Democratic pols, i.e., Joe Biden, Jesse Jackson, Dick Gephardt, had to bury their anti-abortion views & adopt a pro-choice stance in order to maintain political viability.

R48 good post! The political pros who do these things study voter behavior endlessly. The Republicans are good at this. They have specialists like Frank Luntz and many anonymous others who probe every facet a people's lives the way Madison avenue used to ( and still does ) probe to develop advertising and increase market share for products. Anyway, when analyzing voter behavior they're looking for trends and weaknesses. They are looking for wedge issues. and how to divide and motivate. They hook up with evangelicals and obviously the wedge issues are abortion and Gays. And to your point, they deliberately exploit and politicize certain issues, which is exactly what happened in the 80's and 90's. Anything that works to divide, to instill fear, to cause us to treat one another like enemies and get us to act against our own interests is important to them. They are determined to destroy our public education system, already in tatters, and completely privatize it, so they can control what is taught and how it's taught. Who our kids associate with in school, etc. Lying distorting and confusing.