Mom Convinced Daughter with Cancer to Reject Chemotherapy, Family Claims. She Died 7 Months Later

The kind if cancer is easily curable with chemotherapy.

That mom will die of hair cancer. I’m quite sure of it.

She's a heroine!

Chemo is not for everyone and it’s ridiculous to try and sue over it. It’s not science. Science understands that there are real risks involved. Doctors don’t just stick needles in people telling them that poison (and that’s what it is) is good for them. It’s a last resort and it can go either way. The mother is a loon, I’m sure. But treating chemo like vaccinations is stupid. It’s not the same thing.

R4, what do you mean it’s non science. It certainly is, and it isn’t used just as a last resort. Many people with on stage 4 cancer undergo chemotherapy.

Sorry, meant non-stage 4 cancer in my post at r5.

So many thoughts. I was diagnosed with non-Hodgkin lymphoma in 2010. The word "chemotherapy" was so terrifying to me because people my age grew up hearing "cancer" rarely said outright -- in fact, there was a show called "The C Word." Anyway, the oncologist very forcefully told me that chemo was not an easily reached solution, in fact he was clear in stating that there were absolutely no guarantees of either its efficacy or what might result from the treatment. To complicate matters, the first two medications (Fludarabine and Vincristine) were ineffective; I was allergic to the third (Adriamycin) and that was miserable. The one that worked (Velcade) had its origins in mustard gas, I believe, so yes, R4, they are poisons essentially. The doctor was equally forceful in saying that, because the cells were proliferating at an alarming rate, they had to do something to stop it. It might not kill me, but it could lead to strokes and blindness as there had been hemorrhaging in my brain and eyes. Fun times, amirite? I don't want to bring DL down (full remission!), but so much goes into treatment, and I only want health professionals guiding me; doing "my own research" would have been or could have been fatal.

Back to the mother, if indeed she did influence her daughter to forego chemo, then I have questions. Why do people who reject such therapies bleach their hair, get their teeth worked on and bleached as well, wear glasses, get hearing aids, and all the other ways they do to fix ailing bodies? We do whatever we can to remain healthy for the most part, so why is anything injected seen as harmful? Would this woman not undergo a PET Scan, in which dangerous chemicals are put into your body to light up problem areas like tumors? There is such an enraging gap in what treatments are and are not acceptable to them.

But were you forceably forced?

I've known plenty of people who did chemo and or radio and died and also suffered from the horrible side effects of these treatments. I had a cousin who got chemo for a leukemia when she was a child and survived. He friend at the hospital was the same age, same cancer and got the same chemo and died.

I also know two women who refused chemo for breast cancer and instead did meditation, juicing etc. and survived.

It's up to the individual. There are no guarantees with any treatment.

R9, you’re making generalizations. I know people who had chemo and/or radiation and are fine today. Of course there are no guarantees with treatment. But there is no way that meditation and juicing cured cancer. Absolutely not. They may have had additional medications that are not chemo-related, but no fucking way.

Chemo today is very different from the chemo even from 5 years ago. It’s pretty much targeted to the cancer you have. Success rates re treating cancer have gone up precisely because of this targeted approach as well as treatments like nano knife. I know it’s no walk in the park, but if the doctors recommend it, I’m not juicing.

M is for the million things she gave me….

The younger you are - due to cell turnover- the quicker cancer spreads

(I am believe this is true- and have read this many times)

If she didn't have those bleached extensions, Mom would look like Gladys Kravitz.

NHL usually responds to chemo. This is very sad.

R10, The two women (one being my uncle's wife) did not take any meds for cancer. It was more than meditation and juicing if you want more details: Mega vitamin therapy, high dosages of melatonin (experimental treatment shown to be effective against breast cancer) supervised by a Naturopathic Doctor, meditation, visualization, juicing twice a day organic veggies, following a very specific diet, eliminating all stresses.

It worked so well for her that when her sister was always diagnosed with breast cancer, she followed the same program. Both are free from cancer and they did not take any meds. If that makes your brain explode, then so be it.

But like I said, I have a cousin who had leukemia as a child and was saved by chemo. I'm not against it. It depends on the type of cancer and what the person chooses to do.

*when her sister was ALSO diagnosed with breast cancer

Oh God, I've heard about her before. She's batshit crazy.

I just can't believe mothers today, Shameful.

[Quote] [R9], you’re making generalizations.

I’m not r9, but what’s the point of that unfair reply? Yes of course r9 was making generalizations, which you then went on to do yourself.

R9 didn’t say chemo saves everyone or kills everyone. R9 said that it depends on the individual and the case. Which is true.

You are an idiot R9. Truly.

A beet-based diet, Tibetan chants, snd liberating your household of all remote controlled devices... Cures all!

R15 must also believe in essential oils. Your post sounds just like this mom.

[quote] The two women (one being my uncle's wife) did not take any meds for cancer. It was more than meditation and juicing if you want more details: Mega vitamin therapy, high dosages of melatonin (experimental treatment shown to be effective against breast cancer) supervised by a Naturopathic Doctor, meditation, visualization, juicing twice a day organic veggies, following a very specific diet, eliminating all stresses.

Yea this just isn’t true R15 sorry. I notice you curiously did not mention surgery. I’m guessing this was stage one, or precancerous cells, and surgery was performed on a cancer that had not spread and therefore chemo was suggested as a deterrent against future spread but not a requirement. I didn’t know DL was at the cancer denial stage of its drain circle. I mean “eliminating all stresses” like what can you even say.

R20 doubling down on mental behavior. Why exactly is r9 an idiot, r20? You sound disturbed.

For R20, R21 and R22 (I suspect you are the same person):

From the National Library of Medicine:

Partial and complete regression of breast cancer in patients in relation to dosage of coenzyme Q10

"Relationships of nutrition and vitamins to the genesis and prevention of cancer are increasingly evident. In a clinical protocol, 32 patients having -"high-risk"- breast cancer were treated with antioxidants, fatty acids, and 90 mg. of CoQ10. Six of the 32 patients showed partial tumor regression. In one of these 6 cases, the dosage of CoQ10 was increased to 390 mg. In one month, the tumor was no longer palpable and in another month, mammography confirmed the absence of tumor. Encouraged, another case having a verified breast tumor, after non-radical surgery and with verified residual tumor in the tumor bed was then treated with 300 mg. CoQ10. After 3 months, the patient was in excellent clinical condition and there was no residual tumor tissue. The bioenergetic activity of CoQ10, expressed as hematological or immunological activity, may be the dominant but not the sole molecular mechanism causing the regression of breast cancer."

Again for R20, R21 and R22:

Melatonin: A Potential Therapeutic Option For Breast Cancer.

"Melatonin has significant inhibitory effects in numerous cancers, especially breast cancer."

CoQ10 and Melatonin are two natural treatments those two women used combined with many others.

Nobody mentioned Tibetan chants and essential oils you idiot.

Don't waste your time with that troll, r10.

Again, why is r9 a troll, r27?

We’re not the same person R25

[quote] A recent observational study in patients with breast cancer suggested that the use of antioxidant supplements, including CoQ10, before and during cancer treatment may be linked with increased recurrence rates and decreased survival.

R29 High dosages of CoQ10 worked very well for the two women I mentioned. Chemo is a savior for some and a horror for many. Like I said, there are no guarantees. What's your fucking problem?

Based on other posts, r28.

R30 did they have surgery? What stage were they? Your claim is unscientific and your descriptions are not precise. I’m gonna say it again but “eliminating all stresses” is just……

Chemo is a savior for many people suffering from cancer yes. That’s why it is recommended by the FDA as a cancer treatment and CoQ10 is not.

Chemo is a savior for many and a horror for some.

FIFY

Chemotherapy saves lives. Lying about cancer therapies kills.

Evangelical Biology takes another victim.

The mother might be in the UK but she has the classic MAGA look.

My macrobiotic friend tells me their journal is full of obits of healers who dies in their 60s and 70s. When it’s cancer they never mention the cause of death. Macrobiotic food is great for many chronic ailments but for cancer not so much.

My 78 year old Mom was diagnosed NHL at 78 and then chemo and radiation. Was in remission quickly (it never came back) and died of heart dsease at 90. But she was a survivor who fought to live. and not a fool who would listen to quacks and homeopaths when her life was on the line.

R32 Holy shit you're stupid. Eliminating all stresses was part of the treatment, not the only treatment you moron. High dose vitamin therapy (including high dose CoQ10) and high dose melatonin were also part of the therapy. Can you fucking read? No, they didn't have surgery and didn't take any meds.

As I said, chemo can be a savior or make your life a living hell. I have known only 1 person who survived cancer with chemo and she was a child at the time. The adults I have known who got chemo for various cancers all died. That doesn't mean chemo can't work. You think like most people today, in absolutes. Black or white. No middle ground or nuance. Keep telling me you don't believe me, I don't care.

R38 this is how transparent your new agey unscientific bullshit is. When a doctor refers to stress, or when you are discussing stress in the medical sense, it's not 'stress' as you understand it. It's referring to all sorts of external or internal stresses, including temperature change, sleep, nutrition, joint stress, muscle stress, breathing, air quality, exposure to allergens, blood pressure, any infection etc etc etc etc etc. may of which are beyond control. It's not "Oh I'm so stressed out by this rude customer service person on the phone" which is your understanding of it. Those sorts of mental or personal stresses fall under the umbrella, but only constitute a small part. Which I can tell by how how easily you brushed through "eliminating all stress" because it's not possible. You can try and reduce the stresses you are exposed to but you cannot eliminate them. Especially if you concurrently have cancer, that you're treating with positive vibes.

[quote] As I said, chemo can be a savior or make your life a living hell

Again this is inexact, chemotherapy can save your life while being a difficult treatment, or not so difficult. It's not one or the other. Or whatever way you're presenting it here.

[quote] The adults I have known who got chemo for various cancers all died. That doesn't mean chemo can't work.

Jesus christ.

[quote] Keep telling me you don't believe me, I don't care.

lol

R38, you only know ONE person who survived cancer with chemo. I’ve never known anyone who survived without or surgery or radiation if they had cancer. But everyone I know goes to medical doctors when they are sick. But you obviously run with a group of unique humans who don’t need modern medicine.

R38 - I think the point is chemo IS very successful for NHL and there are now more targeted pharmaceutical therapies that attack the cancer cells without chemo or with any surgery.

It's astonishing what discoveries have been made the last 5-10 years in specific cancer treatments.

But it's understandable to be skeptical of organic diets, smoothies, and vitamins for a cure - even with Melatonin. COQ10 is not a vitamin per se and can be taken to protect against the damage of chemotherapy as well. (I take Coq10 every day among other things).

The chemo of 2025 is very different than before and can be supplemented with other targeted drug therapies - so I believe the responses here are more towards the 'old school' chemo that everyone is familiar with. That stuff is very toxic obviously.

The dead woman was an adult. She made her own decision to pursue quack therapies.

[quote]what do you mean it’s non science

It’s not science to say that it’s for everyone, that it’s not dangerous, that it might not work. It’s not the same as a vaccine. Chemo is very dangerous and should never be taken lightly. It kills good cells in your body along with the bad. Yes, it can prolong a person’s health but you have to give it a lot of thought. A person has to weigh their options. I don’t like how these people are choosing the phrase it as if it’s something everyone should just jump into and that it’s risk free. No doctor will say that.

Finally! A daughter who listens to her mother...unlike the selfish fat ones!

One of the most treatable cancers too. It’s not like she had pancreatic cancer and needed to grasp at any straw. Oh well.

It's truly a shame when the little brats don't listen, r44. They grow up to be such nasty, ugly cows. Well, the ones that do grow up, of course...

The mother looks like the picture perfect spokeswoman for sanity. Said no-one ever.

R39, It's obvious you're a spokesperson for a pharmaceutical company.

You know very well what I meant when I wrote "eliminate all stress" meaning psychological stress that damages the body and mind.

I don't run with a group of unique humans who don't need modern medicine. I know two women who treated their breast cancers using natural therapies. That's not a group. And natural therapies are part of modern medicine.

The new chemo of 2025 is super cool awesome? Really? Let's ask the doctors of The Mayo Clinic what they think about chemo today, shall we?

Potential side effects:

Nausea, vomiting, diarrhrea, hair loss, loss of appetite, fatigue, fever, mouth sores, pain, constipation, easy brusing and bleeding. Sounds like fun!! Why would something that isn't toxic make you lose all of your hair? Hmmm...

Long-lasting and late-developing side effects can include:

Damage to lung tissue, heart problems, infertility, kidney problems, nerve damage (peripheral neuropathy), risk of a second cancer. Ohhh sounds juicy!

I seriously don't know why some people would refuse this chemo and go for more natural therapies.

Now the article from The Mayo Clinic is from March 2024. Are you telling me, R39, that the 2025 chemo is just like shot of wheat grass juice? No side effects and it pumps you up with energy and vitality?

Well then, if that's the case, sign me up!

Thank you, Secretary Brainworm @R9.

Darwinism.

[quote] It's obvious you're a spokesperson for a pharmaceutical company.

Jesus Christ.

R48 you’re talking to like 3 different people as if we’re all the same commenter. And yes I know that you meant psychological stress of body and mind because that’s a tell that you’ve no idea what you’re talking about. It’s insta doctor dross.

R51

3 different people who all write the same thing in the same way?

Sure Jan.

So how much is Pfizer paying you?

I don't believe people who say they got through cancer with juicing and meditation. I just don't.

It's like Belle Gibson who claimed to have cured her inoperable brain cancer with healthy eating. It was all a big scam. Look her up if you've never heard of her, it's wild!

Am I a bad person for thinking the mother wanted the young, lovelier competition out of the way, even her own flesh and blood? Some mothers are simply unabated narcissists who will try to destroy their own offspring.

The mother obviously has no issue with injecting chemicals into her own face. But, at least, it's not for frivolous reasons, you know, like saving lives.

How do you "eliminate all stress" if you're dealing with fucking cancer?

Also, 30 people 30 years ago does not a study make.

R53 You need a brain scan immediately. I repeatedly told you that meditation and juicing were PART of the therapy that included MEGA VITAMIN THERAPY with high dose CoQ10 and high dose melatonin. Do you understand now?

R56 You eliminate people like you from your life. Eliminates 90% of stress for the cancer patient.

R57, I’m not OP, but you basically said they cured cancer with things that have been debunked many, many times. That’s why you’re getting the pushback, it’s not just the juicing and the meditation. For every person who opted for this treatment and was supposedly cured with this stuff, there are hundreds who died. There is certainly a place for vitamins, etc and managing stress in continuing to try and maintain healthy nutrition when dealing with cancer, but they themselves don’t cure it.

R57 To be honest, I wasn't directing my comment towards any one person in the thread. I made a general comment based on the themes discussed.

It's not all about you.

R59 Melatonin and CoQ10 have not been debunked. I am not promoting those treatments I'm saying those two women used those treatments and were CURED. That is their experience it may not work for others just like chemo can work for some and not for others. Are you autistic?

R61, why the insults? I’m explaining to you why you are getting pushback but you keep pushing the idea that these fake—yes fake—cancer cures worked. As for autism, don’t you understand how unhinged you sound when you post they were “CURED” by these treatments we know are debunked?

The mom is an idiot and given that the daughter was an adult, so was she.

R62 You don't understand anything. If you're working in the medical field, we are all in grave danger.

Let me repeat this one last time: THOSE TREATMENTS WORKED FOR THEM!!

Yes they were CURED. They had breast cancer and used only natural treatments and they no longer have breast cancer. My uncle's wife was diagnosed in 2008 and her sister in 2015. They are cancer-free. No chemo, no drugs. That is their story. If you can't understand that, then I can't help you with your mental disorder.

R64, I don’t work in the medical field, but unless they can prove those treatments worked—by presenting scientific evidence—then they didn’t.

R65 Great. I'll let them know when I see them that they're not supposed to be alive.

Their cancers went into remission. It happens. Their ' natural treatments' had nothing to do with it

Who said that r66? We only said… well, r67 sums it up perfectly.

Hey, poster that has had 2 women you know "cure" their breast cancer using MEGA-VITAMIN THERAPY, COQ10 and JUICING/MEDITATION:

How far out are they from being declared "cancer free?" Just curious.

Well it's great the two people you know beat cancer with juicing but it didn't work for the young woman in this story. She is DEAD and from a cancer than is 80% curable with proper treatment.

No medical therapy is guaranteed to cure - even antibiotics that are very effective still don't eliminate all pathogens, hence the development (over time) of antibiotic resistance. However, science and medicine are linked by their use of statistics.

All testing involves placebos. If 90% of the people taking chemotherapy survive 10 years following diagnosis, and only 10% of the people taking a sugar pill survive 10 years, the researchers are going to pronounce the chemotherapy to be an effective treatment. This is how all the cancer fighting drugs were developed, tested, and marketed. They must have met some sort of statistical threshold. Most chemotherapeutic agents are poisonous to living cells. But in many cancers, cancer cells grow and multiply much faster than normal cells and this makes them vulnerable to these agents.

The theory behind most chemotherapies is to find agents that are known to be effective killers of that particular kind of cancer cell, give the patient high enough doses to kill off all or most of the cancer cells and then to stop the treatments before the poisons kill the patient by damaging and destroying the rest of the cells needed for the continuation of life. It is barbaric in a certain way, and if humanity survives the dangers confronting it for several more centuries, future people will look back at our kind of medicine as being very primitive.

However, if holistic, naturopathic, non-damaging treatments were able to show the same cure rates as chemotherapy agents, every doctor on the planet would be flocking to them. They simply don't have a good statistical track record of curing cancer, and most have no better track record than using placebos.

R69 They were declared cancer free 2 years after they were diagnosed. So in 2010 and 2017.

R71 wrote: "However, if holistic, naturopathic, non-damaging treatments were able to show the same cure rates as chemotherapy agents, every doctor on the planet would be flocking to them."

Hilarious!

Doctors don't control the medical system, pharmaceutical companies do. If a doctor was prescribing mostly natural treatments for his patients, even if they worked better than pharmaceuticals, he'd be in big trouble.

There are far more pill pushers here than cock suckers which is sad because it should be the other way around.

Just like the parents whose kid died of measles and would still refuse to give any kid the vaccine, I’m sure this mom is proud she didn’t give her daughter chemo

The last year of my partners' life, he decided to embrace holistic treatments to fight his advancing HIV symptoms.

Total bullshit.

R73, I could make the same argument about insurance companies. Let’s face it, the need for profit controls our medical system. Re natural remedies, I could see your argument if not for the fact that studies, time and time again, continue to debunk much of their effectiveness, especially regarding serious conditions like cancer.

In fact, if a natural remedy works, the pharmaceutical industry has been known to appropriate it, change it slightly, and then market it as a medicine. See metformin as an example.

her hair goes beyond mere dangling tendrils. it looks like it's alive--like the hair of Medusa, Mistress of the Living Locks!

R76 First you say natural supplements aren't effective, then you say if they work the pharmaceutical industry appropriates it, changes it and markets it. So they do work! Thank you for admitting this... sort of.

That's why they tell pregnant women to avoid herbal supplements during pregnancy. Powerful stuff that can pop the baby out prematurely!

I'm very familiar with Metformin because I take a natural alternative to it which is a mix of chromium, alpha lipoic acid and the herb bitter melon. When I first started taking it, I wasn't sure what the proper dosage was for me so I took too much and ended up almost passing out in a store from low blood sugar. That's how well it works.

There are hundreds and hundreds of studies on the effectiveness of natural supplements, acupuncture, homeopathy and many other natural therapies.

R78, you know that isn’t what I said, but whatever. Please show us the studies where natural supplements cured cancer. Not helped someone get nutrition, we know they do that because they’re derived from food. But cured cancer—since you say your friends were cured, they can’t be the only ones. Im all ears.

Woo-woo merchant ( probably literally sells the stuff) at R78.

R79 The two women I know were cured but nobody told them the supplements they took or diet they followed would cure them. Nobody can make these claims. They went for CoQ10 and melatonin because studies show they are effective at shrinking breast cancer tumours and used other vitamins, juicing and diet to help their immune system.

If someone has cancer, their doctor cannot tell them that chemo will cure them. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. Nobody is allowed to say that something cures a disease. It depends on the person. Like I mentioned before, my cousin who had leukemia as a child was given chemo and was cured but another girl who had the same cancer at the hospital, same age and was given the same chemo, died.

The adults I know who did chemo did not survive. The chemo did not cure their cancer. If this breaks your brain then too bad.

Nothing works for everyone.