Splash around this summer in Genoa City

Continued from prior thread

Complimentary sperm samples available.

Mikey Baldwin in the locker room!

That hat is just dumb, Ted

It's like Josh is sitting a novel not a soap

^

sitting = writing

R5 a solid analysis, since he learned to write on OLTL working with Michael Malone, the novelist.

Welcome to Genoa City Billy Flynn

Billy Flynn makes me moist - down there.

OK, the hat is pretty silly, but otherwise......swoon!

R10 Here's a shot of the actor (Zach Tinker) without a hat.....hot indeed!

That's your leaky Depends, Mel

Show me some pink

How short is he?

[quote] It's like Josh is writing a novel not a soap.

That's been mentioned before, mainly because that's what Griffith does when he's not trying to do a soap. He has no less than seven self-published novels via his "Dark Street Press" (at link). I think you may still be able to order them on Amazon as well.

And this form of writing in our little daytime drama becomes pretty evident whenever he does these long stories that are told with tons of exposition in the dialogue. It's based on telling us rather than showing us.

So I listened to Billy Flynn's live stream interview with Michael Fairman. Nothing earth-shattering, but I recall a few interesting things:

He's known about taking over this role since January.

They gave him a 25-page synopsis about Cane's past.

He had to be schooled on how to pronounce, "Genoa." (There are out-takes of this in a youtube video at Y&R Insider.)

Even though she's not in these episodes, Jess Walton called to congratulate and talk to him about taking over the role.

He's known about Conner Floyd taking over the role of "Chad" on Days for quite some time. He approached Floyd to congratulate him and talk about it.

He and Goddard have not spoken. He said he didn't think it was his place to make contact.

I believe it was when Fairman said something about the age difference between Goddard and Flynn that Billy laughingly said something like, "We're not going to mention me pretending to be PC3."

One thing Flynn said just kinda out of the blue is that he thinks he should give "Traci" a big hug when he sees her. (I took that to mean someone told him about Goddard not wanting to do that story with Maitland.)

Tinker has the pedigree background and huge Italian cock. He wins.

Why are their nips so beige? Why do makeup artists do that?

How could you mispronounce Genoa?

GENE-oh-ah, would be my guess.

Honestly, nothing surprises my anymore ever since I heard Dana Schwartz butcher "Ravenna" on Noble Blood. Some people are just utterly hopeless with foreign words.

^It’s pronounced “Jin-o-uh.” Have u never watched the show?

It’s GEN-o-uh. There’s no other way to say it.

How do you screw up Ravenna?

This ain’t rocket science 🤷🏻‍♂️ well it is tee vee

Cole has Legionnaires Disease.

Legionnaire's Disease?

How very 1970s.

If I thought it meant we'd be getting a 1970s quality soap I'd be ecstatic.

The out-takes of Flynn regarding his pronunciation of "Genoa" are in this video around the 1:50 mark.

They should do more of these kind of goofs and blooper reels. Eric Braeden is pretty funny.

Some nice male flesh

Holden and JaBottom should have been half naked on the same continent, though. Lots of hidden places to fuck in the maze, I bet.

The wife must be telling JaBottom to spend less time at the gym. I see a little spare tire forming.

Looking a little soft and then Holden shows up in those scenes with Claire...

So Cane is at least 10 years younger, a lot less muscular and now speaks with an American accent. And I thought that Sherri Shattuck as Ashley and the Malcolm Winters recast were both really bad.

R11, that's some great genetics with a lot of time in the gym and watching what he eats.

Amazing body.

R32 and no one at the network or Sony speaks up and says 'no. just no.' to this.

the shrubs. the anticlimatic of it all.

Billy would have been great in another role, but Cane? No.

Nothing can be worse than the Malcolm recast. To recast a handsome man like Shemar with one of the butt ugliest men to ever walk God's green earth was some sort of cruel joke.

But Billy Flynn as Cane is up there, though.

I'm already seeing potential problems here with names via the return of Cane.

Not only do we have Cane Ashby, but we also have his former employee Damien Kane.

Too name Cane/Kanes in the house!

NuCane reminds me of child actor Eric Gurry.

Conner Floyd in the opening today.

The new costume designer was on social media discussing choosing wardrobe for these scenes in faux "France."

While I made off that I was complimenting her overall, I told her that her choices for men's swmwear were rather underwhelming, indicating that these days, guys who work out like to show off their bodies by wearing short, square-cut swimsuits and sungas. I also reminded her that the local custom for men in France is to wear Speedo- like suits.

Amusing scene in Monday's episode making one wonder if someone's noticed JaBottom's weight gain.

He and his mother are eating alone and talking about how they're basically stuck there; but then Diane comments, "I HAVE noticed that you're really enjoying the fine cuisine."

He gets this, "Are you calling me FAT?" look on his face.

Growing up we called the salami gen-OH-a.

The costume designer should be fired today. She’s horrible.

I'm loving seeing whatever monstrosity they stick MTS in. She looks ridiculous, especially with whatever hair mess they give her.

Nikki’s hairdo made her look like one of the background dancers in Hairspray.

Nikki's hairdo is preventing yet another student's geometry education!

MTS has the best hair on the show, especially when compared to The Staff’s limp hair and Sharon Case’s stringy split-end strands, which desperately need a trim. Mel’s hair is still thick after all these years, it’s just that she never lets it get past shoulder length anymore before hacking it off.

R46 I agree about Mel's hair. I recall one of ye olde hairdressers at the show once gave an interview once and commented on how Mel's head of hair was the best-est and funnest to work with because they could do just about anything they wanted with it. .. But given her age today, I think she's wise to keep it above shoulder length. It's more age appropriate and doesn't drag her face down even more than it already goes. .. Some of these actresses in their 50s and above should think about getting a shorter cut. The obvious extensions to fill in their thinning hair as they age really get ratty-looking at times.

R47, I agree — see the Mariska Hargitay thread, lol.

Speaking of hair, I'm not sure I'd have recognized Tonya Lee Williams (HoLivia) from this recent pic.

Y&R would probably put her in a bad wig like they've done with the Valarie Pettiford who's playing NuAmy.

I loved Nikki’s “power dyke” hairdo at her birthday party in the jazz club basement. It seemed like a nod to the ‘80s idea the wedding planner had offered as a theme. It was very 1985.

Isn’t Tinker the actor who plays Hot Sonny on Days of Our Lives aka DOOL? Is he no longer on DOOL?

R51, correct and correct. Tinker plays two separate gay characters on two different soaps.

Back in the early 90s. MTS once lent her name to a line of hair products that she had supposedly help develop. I remember in one interview/infomercial, she claimed that some of the herbal ingredients were grown in a plot of land she had off Mulholland in the Hollywood Hills. My family lived in the area, and my teenaged sister wanted to find this farm thinking we could see Nikki.

R51 He isn't regularly on DOOL.

Thanks, R52. Is he gay himself?

Isn't Cane Australian? He was supposed to be pretending to be Phillip at one point who is maybe 30 years older?

[QUOTE] [R51] He isn't regularly on DOOL.

Nowhere in my post did I saw he was.

It's so strange that Griffith just threw in that episode with FenMo (Tinker) where he's confirmed gay and has a longterm boyfriend. Then, nothing .. except an occasional mention of "Fen and Trey."

Makes me think that it may have been Griffith's intent all along to have Fenmore (Ehrich) be gay even back when he wrote the bullying storyline with poor Jamie (2012).

I remember some viewers thinking that Fen's motivation may have been jealousy, in that he saw Summer as his beard and didn't want her getting close to Jamie. And of course, the storyline that began under Griffith with Lauren and Carmine (Marco Dapper) seemed to contain some homoerotic undertones with her son, Fen. Of course, it's pretty easy to imagine something like that with anything Marco appears in. ;-)

R56 Flynn's interview with Queen Fairman raises those issues. We're apparently supposed to ignore such things. He specifically joked that Cane pretending to be PC3 is not to be covered.

Little PeeWee with the pinocchio NOSE somehow made it out of France to talk to Holden back in GC and is spotted by Chelsea!

"What is that HUGE facial protruberance?" She gasps. "Cane traded his pecs for that?"

[quote]He specifically joked that Cane pretending to be PC3 is not to be covered.

But multiple other characters have already mentioned it in passing since Billy Flynn's debut. So, the show is not ignoring it. They may not be delving into but show is not pretending it didn't happen.

[quote] Isn't Cane Australian? He was supposed to be pretending to be Phillip at one point who is maybe 30 years older?

He was Australian, a fact they've chosen to ignore.....as well as ignoring the years he was Phillip, as well.

They may as well put a wig on him and call him Aunt Jordan, too.

NuCane is a liar!

I like Billy Flynn a lot. Think he is great as Chad on Days.

I hate to say this, but I think he's been miscast as Cane.

[quote]He was Australian, a fact they've chosen to ignore..

Happens to the best of us.

I don't dislike Billy but bringing him on as Cane is truly beyond stupid.

[quote]Happens to the best of us.

Yes, it certainly does.

Is Tinker white?

Tinker loves pussy. He ate out the actress who plays Tessa for awhile. They broke up.

R55 I think Tinker's participation in this hilarious parody more than likely conveys something about himself as well - jmho.

Sugar or cream? .. Probably sugar and cream.

Ooooh my nose!

I’m missing the PeeWee Pinocchio reference. Is that what some (very low humor) people are calling Billy Flynn?

Also, Flynn is very anti-Trump and used to rail against him on his socials.

Excuse me!

He's FOWBF!

I hope the wardrobe folks at Y&R know the potential they have now that CHASS has joined the show.

ArASStotle or DumASS?

Genoa City is the fictional setting for the long-running American soap opera The Young and the Restless (Y&R). • It’s not the real Genoa in Italy, but a made-up Midwestern city in the United States, said to be about 75 miles from Milwaukee (in Wisconsin). • The show has been on the air since 1973, and focuses on the personal and professional lives of the families and residents of Genoa City — most notably the Newmans, the Abbotts, and the Winters.

So when people say “Genoa City, The Young and the Restless,” they’re referring to the fictional backdrop where all the drama, romance, corporate battles, and betrayals of Y&R

There is a real Genoa City. WI

When Y&R started to be less small town and read more big city, they would often use shots of Pittsburgh in the show. They still do, when they sometimes show Newman Towers (which is One Oxford Centre in Pittsburgh). And there's that modified shot of the Pittsburgh skyline at night where they've used some CGI to show one of the buildings lit up with the "Jabot" script at top.

R77 They also filmed in Pittsburgh several times over the years. Pittsburgh was a very dedicated CBS soap town.

The real Genoa City is tiny. Like, two stop signs and a gas station tiny. But I'm sure Bill Bell saw that name when he and his family went from Chicago to their lakeside home in Lake Geneva.

[quote] But I'm sure Bill Bell saw that name when he and his family went from Chicago to their lakeside home in Lake Geneva.

Based on the Wikipedia link at R76:

[quote] The show's creators, William and Lee Phillip Bell, had a vacation home in Lake Geneva and passed through Genoa City when visiting.

R79 that's hilarious.....I hadn't read that. I just remember it was the first time I saw the sign for Genoa City.....turning left off 90/94 and heading west to Lake Geneva.

Teh Bells rooned my careeer.

I remember when one of CBS’ prime time news programs did a segment on Kay Alden. It was reported in the show that the correct pronunciation of the real town’s name is juh-NO-uh City.

R75, stop ChatGPT-ing everything. There was nothing in that article that was new information and couldn’t have just been plainly written.

*splash!*

There goes Cole.

They put some Yardley White Lipstick from the 60s on him and play a version of the Y&R theme.

It's not even the final "dramatic" scene of the episode.

I hope Victoria thought to close Cole's mouth before she left the hospital room, because we see nary a sign of a doctor or nurse.

It was so uneventful I wonder if he's dead

Billy has an ass that just won’t quit!

R86 I know! I thought the same thing, but then it's like they're both at home and "dad is gone." and they couldn't even hire an underfive to play a doctor or nurse to confirm his death? They just walked out of the room or what? Silly.

Michael Muhney is now teaching acting. He was pretty much blacklisted after getting fired from the show.

Muhney should get a second chance somewhere.

I think Hans fucked him over somehow.

Muhney should get a second chance somewhere ... other than daytime.

Didn't he end up in daytime after being troublesome elsewhere?

R92 Yes. He got a bad rep while he was still on Veronica Mars, and it's why they killed his character off.

Muhney was always and is still an asshole. So happy he ruined his career.

Watershed moment.

^ ... which led to much ado about nothing and is never mentioned.

But an actor quit rathe than play that scene r96. So, its significant in the annals of soap history.

It was an interesting twist and I'm surprised it has never really been done on another soap.

They should have showed it! What do you think happened?

It would fall under the category of "situational homosexuality," and be likened to a specific situation, in this not unlike a straight guy in prison who has sex with another inmate or guard in order to avoid other consequences or to manipulate that person in some way.

In this case, Adam was under house arrest at the Newman Ranch, and his attorney, Rafe, was hot on his trail about gaslighting Ashley and putting the blame on Rafe's aunt, Estella Munoz, who worked at the ranch. Adam chose to seduce gay Rafe as a way to manipulate him and stop Rafe from continuing the search of his his (prison cell) bedroom, since the evidence Rafe was looking for was right under the bed in a box.

After the unseen deed, they made sure to reinforce Adam's straightness, by having him shoo Rafe out, then go take a hot shower to wipe all the gay off. He then called his girlfriend, Heather, to have her come to The Ranch immediately so they could have sex.

The very thought of Nikki hiking down the treacherous hill with Adam so that she can leave the château and get home to Victoria and ClairEve is hilarious.

They should have run with that. The scenes could have been just as funny as when Nikki went down into the Genoa City sewer with Sharon.

Mel has previously said she loves doing comedy (she's a big "I love Lucy" fan), so why not? We could use some counterpoint to the overall sluggishness of this Cane story.

Missed opportunity.

Does she appreciate the unintended comedy she conveys?

Re: Adam and Rafe (sort of)… was it ever explained how Adam’s eyesight was repaired, or was he faking the impairment? I thought it was legit, but I’m blanking on how it was corrected.

Didn't he burn a dead baby in the fireplace?

And then he got younger.

R103 Adam went out of town to have some super-duper, state-of-the-art transplants to restore his vision. I think I remember hearing the words robotics and/or miniatures were involved. At the time this "cure" was written, it was basically science fiction where his inherited disease of retinitis pigmentosa was concerned. No such surgery existed in the real world. I doubt it does even today this many years later.

R104 When Adam was gaslighting Ashley, pretending to be Sabrina's ghost, she tripped and fell down Ye Olde Newman Staircase during a lightning and thunder storm and suffered a miscarriage. To cover it up, Adam put the fetus in the fireplace and burned it.

With nununuAdam they've all but ignored that he ever knew Ashley.......not so hard since Eileen isn't on all the time.

Thanks, R105. I vaguely remember Adam’s surgery. I thought the vision issue gave the character some depth back then.

I seem to recall Adam dressing up in a purple dress and a dark wig to become “Sabrina” when he was gaslighting Ashley. That was actually a fun storyline. I liked Sabrina and thought they should have kept her around a little longer. But her death led to Victor and Ashley and this whole storyline. IIRC, Nikki stupidly asked Ashley to go to Paris to get Victor who was grieving Sabrina’s death. And then Victor fell for Ashley again.

It was the actor before Muhney. The one who quit rather than do the gay scenes. That actor completely disappeared.

That was Chris Engen.

Has Engen worked at all since he flounced out of YR?

I don't think he needed to or he found another line of work.

It's easy to walk away when you have money.

R109, some of my best friends…

Blah blah blah

R111 He's not wealthy. His right-wing, conspiracy theorist, Maggot mother sells real estate in the Victorville area. She gets a listing now and again. At the time of the Y&R incident, she still had her foot in home sales in the South Bay area where they had lived when he was growing up, and she had him assist her doing some work for her in that area. This paid the rent.

R110 He wisely gave up acting. The one credit he did post Y&R was a short film as a favor for someone he knew. In SOD, Eileen Davidson referred to him as "delicate flower" and implied he had no idea what one might have to do when you act in a daytime soap opera. Needless to say it was a bad fit. Meanwhile Chrissy LeBlanc said he would kill to have a storyline as exiting as Adam's at the time and wished he could apply for the job. I'm guessing the thought of kissing Yani Gellman played into that.

The last photo I saw of Engen (two years ago) looked like he'd gained about 40 lbs. and he had a cigarette in his hand.

Unless someone starts a MAGA soap opera he won't work again.

I don't think he wants to be an actor any longer, anywhere.

Muhney looks terrible these days also. He’s fug.

Next week on the Young and the Restless ...

OMG! Geriatric RockOn is going to ask Jabot Teen Model, Cricket Blair, to be his beard, errr ... I mean, marry him!

And if they've got Audra in that push up bra and panty set, shouldn't we get JaBottom in a thong, or at least some bikini briefs?

I'm actually shocked Yani Gellman (Rafe) turned out to be straight in real life. He seriously pinged and played other gay roles.

It's also a shame they didn't have Rafe hook up with Philip since they were both literally standing next to each other at Billy and Victoria's wedding and briefly interacted.

Has this show ever had a gay male couple?

Fen and his day player boyfriend.

Yani Gellman is so cute.

I think there might have been a plan for Rafe and Phillip at one time.

If Thom Bierdz had been a stronger actor, they likely would have kept Phillip 3 in town.

However Thom said the original deal was for a certain number of episodes and that was exactly how many he did before they sent P3 away.

Thom didn't say how many episodes he was contracted for, but I'd guess it was 30 or 35. Anybody know for sure?

OP- I thought Splash was in Chelsea NYC not some place named after salami.

What did Mariah do for godsakes? Fuck an old man?

R125 Either that or help him commit suicide due to terminal illness.

Some people think Mariah got drunk, started coming on to the old letch, then when things went too far in her PTSD-addled brain, she had flashbacks of the similarly lecherous old man in her life, Ian Ward, and ended up killing this stranger. .. MAGA Swan has referred to this sequence as a "cameo," so I don't think we'll be seeing him beyond the reel he did for these inserts.

Danny looks like an old lesbian

Day-ahead : showed Mariah flasbacking to smothering the old guy with a cushion

Creepy old dead guy shows up in Genoa City 3...2...1...

My thoughts exactly

Did the pillow smother him or did the weight of Mariah's caboose on top of his intestines cause them to rupture into his abdominal cavity and kill him?

His eyes were clearly open and she was showing him a picture of Melody Thomas Snott while she did it.

So I suspect he died in a state of disgust.

I'm laughing at these entitled billionaire characters saying that they're all being held captive. In a luxurious Chateau in France with plenty of gourmet food and drink. Not tied up or being tortured and free to roam around and lounge at the pool. All because they can't get a cell signal.

[quote]I'm laughing at these entitled billionaire characters saying that they're all being held captive. In a luxurious Chateau in France with plenty of gourmet food and drink. Not tied up or being tortured and free to roam around and lounge at the pool. All because they can't get a cell signal.

Somehow Adam can make it in, but the rest of them can't figure out how to make it out.

Adam hiked up and down a little known and treacherous path along the hillside to get in and out.

I think the only ones who have really been bitching about being there are Miss Piggy and Lily, an even Lily seems to be having some fun with Damian. But Victor forbade Nikki from hiking back down the hill with Adam. Many of the others actually do seem to be taking advantage of the vacation element.

But due to the train not being able to move presently, it begs the question, why not just walk down the hill along the tracks?

[quote]But due to the train not being able to move presently, it begs the question, why not just walk down the hill along the tracks?

Supposedly, part of the hill/mountain have been washed away by the storm, including the land under the railroad tracks.

Wait. Egan, Case, Stafford and Davidson ALL nominated in Lead? MTS must be apoplectic!

The always-melodramatic LaBergman and Scenery-Chewing Chrissy LeBlanc could have rounded out that category to make it a total Y&R blowout

Please Y&R. Never ever ever ever ever let Tessa sing again. Hard to believe that useless character has been around for 9 years.

I like Chelsea

Tessa can be a great asset.

Melody bought a star on the walk of fame! She dun need no stinkin’ Emmy!

Does the state where Mariah murdered this mystery man have capital punishment?

Asking for a friend.

Is their kid's name Diarrhea?

Damian - STABBED

Wait...they're STILL on that fucking island? Haven't watched it since the big reveal.

Has any mention been made to the other kid Cain had? I think his name was Sam perhaps.

It’s spelled “Cane.”

Everybody wants to have Cane arrested for forcing them to have a luxury vacation in France and now the hedge maze magically shapeshifts like in Labyrinth and several characters are lost inside of it.

Did they hire writers from DOoL or rehire the hacks responsible for the insane and bizarre storylines we got from 2006-2012?

R147 It's not an island. They're somewhere in the mountains that are near Nice.

So they're going to kill Damian off?

I can hardly wait to see Amy's bad wig weep and wail over that.

Michael Damian?

Damian Kane seems the most likely candidate for murder. Given the previews, we've already seen that Devon is, tragically, not the victim.

Also the poor choice for last name for Damian Kane given the fact they've just brought Cane Ashby back, that seems to put a target on Damien's back just simply to avoid confusion.

Plus, there' Damian's past history as one of Aristotle Dumas' employees.

R153 Damian Kane.

Damian gets a dagger to the back at the end of today's episode. Looks pretty bad. .. And last Friday's preview for this week had the lovely Chance announcing a MURDER.

Oh, if they're going on a murder spree at an isolated French chateau in the mountains above Nice, I have many suggestions for victims:

1. Devon

2. Victor

3. Sally Spectra

4. Michael Baldwin

5. Phyllis

I could see Michael LaBaldwin having an airtight alibi and not being a suspect for the murder.

Cane's secretary, Carter, was sucking his cock behind the third hedge to the left in the maze.

Is there room for Billy and Nicki on your kill list? PLEASE???

I wouldn't kill Billy off, but he definitely needs a NuHead.

Sorry to say, Jason Thompson has been in the role since 2016 and he's never won me over. He's just 'there'. .. And has he ever clicked with any of his romantic interests? Forgive me if I've forgotten someone, because everything on that front just seems to blend together.

Yes, its Damian who's dead.

Are we ready to declare Billy Flynn as a bad recast?

Not to the level of Malcolm from family matters but not good.

Maybe about even with heather when she was Bianca from amc.

What other bad recasts has this show had?

Why go to all the elaborate trouble of introducing a brother for Nate just to kill him off six months later?

[quote]Are we ready to declare Billy Flynn as a bad recast?

I am a huge Billy Flynn fan but not buying him as Cane in the least.

This is like an entirely new character who they happened to name Cane Ashby.

Cane was dumb as a box of rocks. Yet now we're supposed to believe he is a business mastermind who has amassed billions of dollars in the six years since he left town?!?!?

Cane’s.

Jermaine Rivers to BTG please!

What was the point of Damian who just died after a few months

Good question

R159, he was fantastic with Gina Tognoni.

Lily was never really going for Black cock.

Besides, they’ve reached their Black actor quota so they had to get rid of him.

R150, funny you should say that…when I saw that knife being brandished by the unseen killer I thought, “This looks something on Days.”

I loved the close up of the train today. The Trolley on Mr. Rogers looked more realistic. Hell, the train models that Hitchcock used in the beginning of The Lady Vanishes looked more realistic.

This shit is so bad. Billy Flynn was fine on DAYS, but he's terrible on Y&R. I predict Cane will be gone in 6 months.

Do the pudding-dribblers and their aides still enjoy this show? This ain't Mrs. Chancellor's Young and the Restless.

In what world would someone choose Devon over Chance?

[quote]In what world would someone choose Devon over Chance?

Well, it's Abby. And she's not all that bright upstairs.

But the Devon-Abby pairing lets the show push two dull as dishwater characters to the side and keep them there.

R173 😁😁

God, this show is packed with couples who are dull, dull, dull - Adam and Chelsea, Billy and Sally, Mooriah and Tessa.

They had a chance with Lilly and Damian. Will she end up pregnant now?

Chelsea needs more to do. Put her with Holden

Oh, and how could I forget Jabottom and Claire? SNOOOOOOZE

R176 Unless Griffith ignores a substantial chunk of history, Lily can't have any children, because when she had ovarian cancer, she ended up having a hysterectomy. In doing so, they harvested some eggs prior to her operation, so that one day she might have bio children. Eventually, Charley and Maddie were conceived via IVF (Lily's eggs, Cane's spunk) and carried by surrogate, Mackenzie Browning.

They forgot I have MS!

The character that should have been killed off is Dull Devon. This would have opened up far more possibilities on the business side where his estate is concerned.

And if Chance is going to be wearing an Aloha shirt while doing this investigation, why isn't he also wearing a Speedo? It is SUMMER after all, and he is sorta on vacation.

"Like, is the father of my children a murderer???"

Like, OMG! Gnarly!

Does Lily revert to adolescence when she's traumatized?

Meanwhile, Sharon Case delivers her lines as if she is very, very anesthetized. Is it the fillers that are preventing her from speaking normally

Evidence against Cane being some kind of brilliant strategist....

He chose CHANCE to be his protector and detective.

SMH

"Damian and Cane might have had a contentious relationship."

You mean like when the man go up in the man?

Apparently, we're never going to see the inside of this château, so one imagines it's a real DUMP inside!

And speaking of dumps ... These train cars are so vintage, does the waste that gets flushed down the toilets just fall on the tracks below, or has Cane placed a few Andy Gump porta-potties nearby? .. And what if nature calls while one is lost in the maze? Aim at bush or just squat?

Soap opera characters do not pee and poo.

I hope Nikki remembered to pack a suitcase full of Depend underpants for 85-year old Victor.

Victor did a big ole doo doo in his diaper.

Adam is carrying everyone's waste down the mountain, as he is (apparently) the only one who knows the way.

Waitaminute...Adam walked back down the mountain? JESUS, this storyline is DOOL bad minus the excitement.

For an entertaining interlude, they should have done a location shoot with Adam up at some remote trail in the Santa Monica Mountains, which could substitute for some mountain above Nice, France.

Halfway down the treacherous trail, Adam sprains his ankle, and a local French guy happens on the scene to help him. Shirtless"Pierre" manages to help Adam walk to his little campsite where he wraps Adam's foot. Unfortunately, night comes, and they're not going to be able to continue the trek down the hill until the next morning.

While the two men lay on Pierre's open sleeping bag looking up at the night stars, Adam tries to practice his high school French to much fun and amusement.

This would not be unlike Kay Chancellor being rescued from drowning in the Caribbean by Phillipe Ramirez and taken back to his island campsite.

R185 only when they’re being held hostage or locked in a cage

Or tied to a wheel.

Luuuuuckyyy Pierre!

This Cane is like a little boy nerd with his first bloom of facial hair.

I'm not having any trouble buying Billy Flynn as a ruthless, business savvy billionaire.

What I am having trouble is buying him as Cane Ashby, a somewhat dumb but overall sweet, likeable guy.

This would be much more entertaining if 30 year old twins Mattie and Charlie were in on it with their dad.

Cane reveals himself as Dumas.

"All will be revealed."

Damian is killed.

"This was all about me."

Nick is thrown into a crappy room with Sharon.

"I don't mean any harm. All will be revealed."

END THIS MADNESS NOW

I think we all owe Maria Bell an apology.

Im having trouble seeing him as an adult

I was hoping kinky Carter was going to take Nick to the chateau's dungeon and strap him to a fuck machine.

[quote] This would be much more entertaining if 30 year old twins Mattie and Charlie were in on it with their dad.

If they were wise, they'd totally pause any off-screen aging of the twins, and when we next see them, they'd still be 18-year olds in their first year of college, and of course, RECAST. Neither actor playing them last time could act worth shit. Totally forgettable.

…until a 30 tear old Reed returns to town and has to avoid reminiscing with Mattie.

It’s all so so so bad

Now Nick has been injured and Billy and Sally are tending to him. Billy has decided to go down the mountain for help. Sally has CARNIVAL experience so she takes care of Nick. That part worked surprisingly.

Meanwhile Cane (aka Eric Gurry) with help from Victor (of course) and handsome Chase, has come to the conclusion that his creepy SMITHERS assistant is the murderer.

OH WOW such a huge surprise.

Monday USA will be compelling.

oh darn R202; it's SMITHERS???

Ya ruined it.

I had my money on it being Abby for no reason whatsover.

Knows what he wants.

omg this shit is worse than anything I've seen on B&B over the years. There's no way a human person is writing this. It has to be AI generated based on loose story ideas by Griffith.

Can they at least give Sharon a disfiguring burn story? Her face should only be shown in shadow.

When does JFP start back?

She's already back. She's been back for a while, just unannounced.

Hopefully she's planning one of her catastrophic cast-culling re-set events.

I think Jill's been depowered. She is just cranking out scenes and shutting the lights off by 5 o'clock.

B&B has moved out of TV City. Price is gone. The other game shows are long gone.

Dancing and Real Time still tape there but on a different part of the lot or in a different part of the building.

There's not even a commissary anymore. They can't sustain it with the few shows that are there.

Bill Bell must be rolling over in his grave. Or laughing that they couldn't do it without him.

Both, probably.

It’s adjacent to a mall and a ton of restaurants.

Sony Pictures was going to move Y&R to their own studios over in Culver City back in the early 00s, but then-owner CBS did the upgrades they wanted and gave them a sweet deal to stay at Television City. If Y&R opts to leave now as well (during this massive construction project undertaken by the new owners), I don't see much of a problem.

r204

Who is that?

Since we're talking about people named Jill, now would be the perfect time to have Brenda Dickson back full time as Jill since Jess literally phones/FaceTimes it in a few times a year from her living room whenever Billy or Lily make a business call.

Brenda is obviously not coming back to any mainstream production. She’s unstable and uninsurable.

Recast ok og you think the character is needed.

Chance is dead

And Smithers dead too by suicide.

Stupid to kill off Chance.

Really pisses me off.

haven't watched but is he dead or able to be brought back?

Fuck this show. With Chance dead, there will never be a reason for criminally-underused Tricia Cast to pop in as Nina. At least Connor Floyd found job security for a few years at DAYS.

R217 Well, it's a soap, but what we see is Chance losing consciousness in Cane's arms with Billy taking taking Chance's pulse and pronouncing him dead. And as the "drama" continues everyone behaves as if Chance is dead.

I think they just leave Chance's body in one of the open areas of the maze, because the action then shifts to another area. And when Amanda enters the scene, she says something like, "I just saw Chance ... " trailing off, seemingly implying he's dead, which goes along with Cane's somber demeanor.

Billy mentions having to tell Jill and Nina, and later Jack reiterates that adding how this is going to destroy them. Also, near the end Billy is talking to Phyllis and says, "Chance died trying to protect Cane."

I suppose Billy could be mistaken about Chance not having a pulse. As the episode winds down, we hear the helicopter Victor told Adam to send approaching. (Funny, because I think we heard Adam say that the place was inaccessible via helicopter, owing to why he had to hike up the mountain to get there). Anyway, if Billy was wrong, a couple of hot French paramedics could maybe show up and save Chance.

Yes, they can try. After they fuck me!

[quote] "Chance died trying to protect Cane."

An outcome that I would have actually stood up and applauded would have been: "Devon died trying to protect Lily."

Griffith had the perfect opportunity to get rid of *Bryton* during this mess. He should have had Dull Devon enter the scene with Lily being being held at gunpoint and had him try to wrest the gun away from Carter. BANG. DEAD.

R221 that would’ve been ideal, but JG has a hard on for cue ball for some strange reason. His role is diminishing on the show, and I’m sure James is aware of it. The guy who plays Holden has more charisma and likability in his pinky than James has in his whole body. Yet they keep douchebag Duhvon around.

zzz...

They killed off a legacy character like Chance in the name of propping up a lame return for a forgettable character named Cane?

R224 yup. If you go on any YR boards, Cane is a universally hated character. I really can’t believe they built this up for months (felt like 10 years), only for it be revealed Dumas was Cane. Flynn plays him like such a putz, it makes you almost miss Goddard, and I freaking hated Goddard. You really need a dynamic character that can put Victor and all the others that run their mouths in their places. And Flynn ain’t it. With the right recast, Chance should have stayed on in his role of lead GC police detective.

So Cane thought his life was in jeopardy from whom....Carter?

R219, you're writing the show like you actually care about the show's future and legacy characters.

Josh does not. He probably killed Chance off because Conner dared to leave and go to Y&R

[quote]Josh does not. He probably killed Chance off because Conner dared to leave and go to Y&R

Josh demoted Conner to recurring. If they wanted exclusive use of Conner, they should have kept him on contract.

Conner auditioning for other roles is what happens when they move a contract character to recurring.

Why is Josh Griffith still there??????

I hope LML and MAB are somewhere having a good laugh at all of their haters, because this is the worst shit I've ever watched on Y&R.

Does "Executive in Charge" Steve Kent (or anyone at CBS for that matter) even read storyline outlines before things get produced? Because any idiot who's been around as long as Kent has would know that reintroducing the "Cane" character is the very definition of a LOSE-LOSE proposition.

On the one hand, the majority of viewers applauded dumping the pathetic Cane character six years ago, and he'd never appear on their list of characters to bring back. And on the other hand, you've got this very loud and annoying minority of crazy Laniac stans who actually have wanted the character back, but are never going to accept anyone in the role but their beloved dullard Goddard.

So what's the point? Turn everyone off?

R229, he and the boss of Y&R, Steve Kent, are old buddies from Santa Barbara, I think.

In fairness, I don't think Steve knows what a good soap is. The scripts are in on time. Characters yell at each other. They have sex. They're all concerned shit and all.

JG keeps the budget down.

It's fine as far as they're all concerned but the show bores me to tears and the continuity is not there.

R231, exactly. Lose/lose.

Nobody cares. Nobody wins.

The viewers lose.

It was JG saying FU to DG

[quote] It was JG saying FU to DG

I could buy into that theory, but shit, if JG wanted to say FU to DG, then he should have done that back in 2020 when it would have had much more impact.

He canned DG in 2019, so he should have just rested the character for six months, then recast with a hot, talented, age-appropriate, Australian actor who has chemistry with Beth Maitland and go full steam ahead on the planned Traci-Cane hookup. There has to be some vet from Home & Away or Neighbours who could have played the part.

That would have said FU much more effectively, not to mention immediately, than this boring yarn taking place six years after the fact. As you wrote, "Nobody cares."

Didn’t Goddard say that Maitland had that “fat lady” smell?

[quote]It's fine as far as they're all concerned but the show bores me to tears and the continuity is not there.

Perhaps we should title the next thread, "I died of boredom in a isolated French chateau filling with Genoa City residents."

^ filled with Genoa City residents.

Day 1 ...

Truer words were never spoken.

Today's episode featuring Carter's confession as well as his shooting of Chance should have been a Friday episode rather than a Monday episode.

Even though I knew from DL what was going to happen, I still was glued to my TV watching it all play out.

[quote] ... (the) shooting of Chance should have been a Friday episode rather than a Monday episode.

I assume by "Friday," you're thinking "cliffhanger." But Chance's shooting wasn't even scripted as a "Will he live or die?" hook for viewers to tune in next week or even tomorrow.

Chance was shot and immediately pronounced dead in the middle of the episode, so the breakdown didn't even call for his death to be any kind of cliffhanger.

You're right. Cliffhanger is the word I should have used.

The entire episode was was compelling, but definitely Chance's shooting should have been at the end of the episode, leaving viewers with the Will He Live or Die question to ponder over the weekend.

Josh Griffith just seems to be doing a half hearted job with this storyline. He seems to be hitting burn out, which no doubt is why through brought in Ed Scott and now JFP to ease some of his burden.

Floyd's exit interview with TV Insider.

Nothing too startling.

It is kind of interesting how he landed the job on Days by meeting the soap's casting director, Marnie Saitta, on a flight to Boston. She used to work at Y&R as well. As I recall, she was among the production crew who got shit-canned during Lathag's "scorched earth" tactic.

R242 it’s incredible that Floyd’s DOOL episodes won’t even air until April of next year. Does anyone know exactly how they shoot episodes to have nearly a years worth of episodes in the can?

R243 I believe it's explained somewhere on the DOOL thread.

I would think the five soap CD's would watch each the other shows in addition to their own

Or read the soap mags.

Oh. wait.

Get ready for some ugly crying from Amy and that ugly wig they still have her in when she finds out Damian is dead.

Oh, and now that France is mainly over, it's back to the twosome material: Adam & Victoria, Chelsea & ClairEve, Cane & Victor, and Nate & Amy.

Y&R had more multi actor episodes during the France thing than I thought but boy was it ever so glaring when they'd cut back to six or seven stars per show.

Sharon's off swimming; Nikki and Victor are taking a nap.

Abby's off contract so she disappeared all together.

I realize there are budget limitations but c'mon!

R247 interesting that Ordway is still with the contract actors in the end credits, and wasn’t she supposedly taken off contract earlier this year? They missed a golden opportunity to kill Abby and Duhvon off. A recast Chance could’ve had custody of the kid that cueball had a temper tantrum over when he bulldozed his way to shared custody with Chance and Abby. James salary must be a fairly decent amount after 20 years, so they could have saved a fair bit of money by killing the douchebag off. It’s probably his connection to Neil that still gives him a paycheck. Only this.

Ordway shared recently that she hadn't taped in a while. I think some of the shows caught on to bloggers and fans reading the end credits so they MIGHt be fudging who appears where and with whom on the end credits.

If it matters, Bryton's a sweetheart, a good guy. I think he left IG recently?

That said, losing chance is sooooo stupid. He'll shine as Chad, and Billy (another nice guy) will tank as Cane.

Cane got three people killed. And he keeps saying "all will be revealed" or "I didn't mean for this to happen."

Does Genoa City really need another billionaire?

They've already got one billionaire they barely use.

When Boredway moved to Tennessee the initial report said she'd remain with the show on recurring. But awhile later, they said she was back on the show .. whatever that meant. .. I think she went for the Chrissy LeBlanc Deal, where you'll see that he remains on contract, but they basically treat him recurring and let him know in advance if he's going to have something that will require him to be around longer, since it's my understanding he now commutes from New Orleans all the time. (He and the husband sold the local condo in Beverly Hills a couple of months ago. It had been listed since last June.)

R249 none of James’s supposed niceness comes across on the show. I can’t remember the last time the fucker cracked a smile. He always has a permanent bug up his ass over something or someone. They’re really not caring about legacy characters anymore with death of Chance anyway. Lily has ties with Neil, and that’s enough. His character has really run its course.

R252 Totally agree. And they have another link to Neil through his bio son, Moses, as well as his grandkids, Charlie & Maddie. .. They ALL need recasting, though. .. And if-when that happens, they need to put a little more effort into it next time. None of the previous actors were impressive at all.

Speaking of young ones, do we think Johnny and Katie might show their face for Cole's memorial service? .. Recall, they were going to stay local and attend Walnut Grove, but it seems like ClairEve is the only child Victoria has any longer.

R253 I’m thinking Coles service will remain off camera. Chance definitely deserves one on, but i haven’t heard anything about Cast or Walton coming back for an episode, and since Boredway says she hasn’t filmed in months, I’m guessing Abby, as his ex, would not be there. Probably another off camera too.

Could Traci and Amy finally get a scene together? We HEAR they’re together, but we don’t get to see it. I know she’s not the OG Amy, but still…and Lauren knows her also.

I'm not invested in NuAmy and her bad wig enough to care. Now that her son, Damian, is dead, what's the point of this character? .. Please don't tell me she's going to stick around Genoa City to be Audra's talk-to or some type of replacement mother-figure for the one Nate never sees.

hmmm

Doubtful Amy will stick around too long, but I have no objection to her being a talk to character for Audra and Nate, as well as Lilly and Devon.

Or perhaps Amy will want revenge on Cane for the killing of her son. Would love to see Amy cause the death of this ill conceived return of Cane Ashby.

Now that JFP is back, perhaps she will dispose of Billy Flynn as Cane just as quickly as she disposed of Genie Frances as Cane's mother 13 years ago.

I’m not advocating for JFP but Josh Griffith needs to go.

Alice Barrett-Mitchell IS NuDianejenkins!

Not.

Ellen Parker - IN as NuDiane Jenkins!

When they brought back The Replica Ranch last year, Eric Braeden gave an interview with TV Insider on the subject and basically called Jill Farren Phelps an idiot saying that burning down The Ranch in 2012 "was an outrage and one of the dumbest decisions ever!”

JFP has never understood that some of the touchstones which keep fans connected to their soaps are things like seeing familiar characters in familiar sets doing familiar things.

One of the first things JFP did when arriving in Genoa City in 2012 was burn down the Newman ranch and update the Chancellor mansion set, turning it to its side.

No doubt if she ever arrived in Salem, JFP would promptly burn down the Brady pub, redecorate the Horton family living room set in some trendy mauve and grey color scheme. And she would cancel the Hortons hanging the Christmas ornaments on the Christmas tree.

R263, I don't know how you can be in soaps as long as Jill has been and not know the importance of long standing sets, or for that matter, core family matriarchs (Maureen Bauer, GL) or how audiences might not respond positively to the graphic murder of a young mother (Frankie Frame, AW), begging for her life to a serial killer.

She may very well know, but simply may not care.

Everyone in soap operas and show business gives jobs to their friends. But Jill seems to do that a bit more. Justin Deas, as scenery-chewing Buzz Cooper, came on to GL right after Maureen died. In fact, Harley and Mallet weren't at Maureen's funeral because they were in DC, and that's when Harley didn't see Buzz's name on the memorial.

Billy moved into the Chancellor mansion and it was painted a bland battleship blue/grey. One of the first things Mal Young did was return it to its former look, granted it was modernized a bit. But it LOOKED like Kay's house.

They're paid tens of thousands of dollars a week for decades and they don't care about the long term audience. They'll retire to Palm Springs with millions in the bank in a few years when all these shows are canceled.

Not everyone likes FV at GH but he brought Monica and Bobbie back about 13 years ago when they were either written off or making rare appearances. He had Leslie C. making phone calls and wheel chair appearances. Those probably kept LC feeling valued and kept her union medical insurance going.

Why is it we need another billionaire in Genoa City when we've already got one (Devon) who's doing nothing?

Josh Griffith is the writer who decided to leave all of Katherine's fortune to Devon rather than spreading it all around to Katherine's entire family including Brock, Tucker and MacKenzie.

And after Devon got drunk and threw some hundred dollar bills from the rooftop of the Athletic Club, show never did much of anything else with Devon being a billionaire.

[quote] ... the show never did much of anything else with Devon being a billionaire.

Well, Devon's billions allowed him and Neil to found their own company, Hamilton-WInters, which led them to buying Mergeron Enterprises from Dina, which was basically the seed company of their new conglomerate, allowing them to become a major player on the scene.

But what exactly did Hamilton Winters do? And what did Mergeron do? And what does Winters do now?

So, they're going to repurpose the train set in Nice as Cane's new living quarters in Genoa City. Hummm. Well, that's one way to save money.

Wonder how they're going to repurpose the maze set. Maybe Victor and Nicki need a maze at the ranch. Or Jack and Diane need a maze at the Abbott mansion.

None of these companies do ANYTHING.

IRL they'd all be out of business by now b/c nobody ever works.

It's laughable.

Geez ... Jill really does hate Billy. .. My guess is, they're having Mommie Dearest stick the knife in so deep at this point in order to justify Billy taking the route he's on.

I've sort of been skipping around episodes. They've mentioned Nina losing her only son more than once, but has anyone mentioned Phillip? Chance and his father did bond there for awhile, and as I recall, Chance even lived in Australia with Phillip for awhile around that time we heard they went on that long trek up in the Himalayas together.

With Chance gone, now would be a good time to RECAST Phillip. Instead of anything related to Chancellor Industries, Phillip could return to Genoa City (perhaps with a boyfriend), and he could say he's decided to use the inheritance that he got from Kay (and very wisely invested) to purchase the Chancellor Mausoleum and surrounding estate. He could then turn the main residence into a Boys Halfway House for wayward young men.

R271 No. No one has mentioned him. Philip would’ve been a better idea as Dumas, but God forbid they should have one of the male leads as gay. Plus Nina had two sons (Ronan Jill?). But I can’t even remember if Jill is aware of Ronan, or if she was just forgetting him and having an old lady moment.

[quote][R263], I don't know how you can be in soaps as long as Jill has been and not know the importance of long standing sets, or for that matter, core family matriarchs (Maureen Bauer, GL) or how audiences might not respond positively to the graphic murder of a young mother (Frankie Frame, AW), begging for her life to a serial killer.

When a show hires JFP, they are hiring her to shake things up. Everybody knows what they're getting from Jill and she doesn't care if she upsets the fans, because in most cases they don't tune out and the fans aren't writing the checks.

Sometimes, a show gets stale and TPTB won't fire someone who needs to be fired or keeps an old trope going because it's soap opera comfort food.

The fans buy the soap. Ratings go down when Jill makes her changes.

Have any of JFPee's regimes been successful? Serious question. Even for a short time?

I call upon the more knowledgeable soap watchers to educate me. I was never aware of who was in charge when I watched in the old days. All I read about her is controversy but that doesn't always mean universally bad. From what I have heard her time at GL was lauded until she killed off Maureen Bauer.

How are her stints reflected in the ratings?

Team Jill. This version of Billy is obnoxious and boring

There was a time during the Adam kills Delia storyline that JFP got the ratings up to where Y&R was up over a million viewers vs the previous year. JFP regularly had over 5 million viewers a week and Mal Young never once had over 5 million viewers a week. Neither has Josh. I’d call that a success for Jill.

^ For R275

Obligatory occasional reminder: ratings only reflect old people watching broadcast tv.

Streaming viewership data is not readily available.

[quote] This version of Billy is obnoxious and boring;

Well, we have JFP to thank for that. Even after nine years, there's just *something* missing from Thompson's portrayal as "Billy." When he was cast, he was said to be an FOJ from their working together at GH.

I can’t stand this iteration of Billy. And I find him unattractive. He’s an FOJ that needs to be recast.

Also, JFP is the one who immediately put a stop to MAB's storyline that Noah Newman's would be coming out gay, which made perfect sense at the time.

After nine years, the role is pretty much his.

With bm no longer an option, who would be better as Billy?

[quote] He’s an FOJ that needs to be recast.

With JFP coming back, that won't happen now.

I wonder what The Stafford thinks about this development? Recall, when she bolted, JFP was in-charge. The rumor was they didn't get along and why MS left. Supposedly, production notes were critical of MS's performance.

[quote] How are her stints reflected in the ratings?

One can't really compare Ye Olde Nielsen Ratings now to what JFP did 10-12 years ago.

Each year more and more viewers have switched to streaming these shows, and those numbers are rarely released; plus they're not even calculated the same way.

Myself included, I personally know four other people who still watch Y&R. All of them stream the show now.

JFP wasn’t wrong when she told Michelle Stafford to stop repeating her lines 3 times stop repeating her lines 3 times stop repeating her lines 3 times.

JFP is many things, but first and foremost, she is a company girl. She didn't kill Maureen Bauer and Frankie Frame, burn down the Newman Ranch, or reorient the Mausoleum without many network and production company approvals before they got to air. She is also not the only producer or writer who likes to hire their friends. Quite frankly, not liking Michelle Stafford and her Scientology shilling or Genie Francis and her constant nasty attitude is the least of Jill's issues.

Jill gets a pass on Dr. Patrick Drake as Dr. Billy Abbott.

It was Chuck Pratt who brought him over.

R288 No she doesn't. When Thompson began airing as Billy Abbott in January 2016, he specifically told "Soap Opera Digest" that he'd met with Phelps five months prior, because she wanted to bring him to Y&R, promising him that he wouldn't be wasting on the vine like he was at GH. There was no mention of Pratt. Burgess Jenkins exit was confirmed in October.

Yes, Jason Thompson made it clear he jumped to Y&R because of JFP.

Again who do you think would make a better Billy at this point.

They should cleared out the FOJs as soon as Jill was no longer headwriter.

Is my Steve Burton the classic FOJ as well? They are constantly shoehorning him into soaps he doesn’t fit in (Y&R, Days) and he plays the same, very limited character every time.

He looks roided out within an inch of his life.

As I recall, Burton exited no long after Phelps' previous dismissal. Her plan had been to give him some kind of job security at Y&R by connecting him to not just one, but two legacy characters - Nikki Newman and Paul Williams. To that end we got the eye-rolling cult baby retcon, which based on what we saw during the 1980 New World Commune story couldn't possibly have happened. And we're still dealing with the pervy Ian Ward character who was invented back then. They also invented this elaborate "romantic war hero" backstory between his Dylan McAvoy character and Avery Bailey Clark (Jessica Collins). Later, they'd move Dylan into Sharon's orbit. She's always been a popular character, with the hope being this will rub off on her screen partners.

So much untapped potential with Avery and Joe Clark. Back when we used to have more non Newman and non Abbott characters.

I miss the Avery Bailey Clark character. She seemed to have chemistry with everyone. She could even put Phyllis in her place easily.

Refresh my memory. Why did she exit so abruptly? To avoid some looney storyline that Chuck Pratt was planning?

Yes felt very abrupt.

I remember she was raped and thought it was Joe but it wasn’t.

I suspect And/or vaguely remember the actress wasnt happy with the tone of that brutal story.

Could have had years more of Avery getting under phyllis’ skin. And some higher stakes than just rotating Chelsea and other indistinct characters.

Instead they chose to age summer too rapidly. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Melissa Egan cannot act.

As I recall Jessica Collins was disgusted over how a rape storyline with Avery's ex-husband, Joe Clark, was going to be written. The link at DC has La Giddens' report on it. She wasn't a happy camper and a great deal of (valid) concerns where her character was concerned. She'd basically had enough of team Phelps-Pratt.

It's hard to understand why the Con Artist from Myanmar is still around after 14 long years. MCE is like the female Devon. People used to point to her husband working for CBS-Paramount, but that hasn't been the case for a few years now.

I'd much rather have Avery Bailey Clark on screen than Chelsea.

Chelsea has been stale for almost a decade now. But her latest return has proven she is well past her expiration date.

Ho hum Friday ... Another one of those episodes where three pairs of characters talking to one another for almost the entire hour, then throw in a scene where Cane meets up with Victor and Phyllis runs into Billy.

And Dear Gawd In Heaven! ... Rock On looked downright FREAKISH in the preview for next week.

Chelsea is the mother of two newmans (if you count Johnny her bio kid).

Somehow she (and Sharon)is still there until that story is told where Connor and johnny learn their truths.

R302 Johnny and Connor already know they’re half siblings and have a good relationship.

Trevor St John would have been a much better Cane recast. He’s the right age and he was a believable foil against Victor.

Trevor St. John was already on the show as Tucker McCall. And quite recently.

Never mind, R304. I misunderstood you.