And just like that.... BBC news presenter bursts the gender bubble

R1. lol you're retarded.

R1 thinks the term "gay men" should be changed to "men who have sex with men" because not all men who have gay sex are identify as gay.

As has been stated elsewhere, whatever your opinion of the trans issue, she was reading a quotation and shouldn’t have inserted her own words.

"Pregnant people" sounds stupid. If they'd said "individuals who are pregnant" or "those who are pregnant" then probably no one would have batted an eye.

I’m generally pretty accepting of the trans agenda but pregnant people does sound absurd.

[quote] Despite complaints from troons the BBC are standing by her.

That’s a surprise, considering the BBC wrote the copy on the teleprompter.

R2, you're a right-winger, which makes you extra retarded

R7 - you're incorrect with that statement.

Croxall was reading out a statement from the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine which included the term pregnant people.

She took it upon herself to correct it.

While I think R1's heart is in the right place I think it's more like women are the ones being erased from the concept of "people."

Just like when couples or the father say "we're pregnant." No, we are not pregnant. The one whose womb has an embryo in it is pregnant.

"Pregnant people"... Referring to yourself as "they" & "them", phrases invented by & for retards.

"This is where you're at in 2025?"

Ah! Thanks for the correction r9.

R10. The “we are pregnant” phrase is intensely grating. I’m surprised that it’s taken hold in these more feminist times. The man is not pregnant. He doesn’t have morning sickness. He doesn’t get gestational diabetes. He doesn’t have to cut out alcohol. He has no increased mortality risk as a result of having a child. He’s not facing this risk of having his abdomen cut open.

It’s completely insulting to the woman who is actually carrying the baby.

If we could just restore the more tasteful and discreet phrase “those with child”, all this unpleasantness could be avoided.

She has the Egyptian flu, she's going to be a mummy.

It’s chest feeding, TERFs!

Back in 2020 at the height of the gender wang a famous UK charity that supports mothers and their families experiencing stillbirth and baby loss through premature birth used the term "birthing parent" of mother. There was no mention of mother at all.

When thee charity apologised female Guardian journalist Elle Hunt was furious and tweeted

[quote]Disgraceful. Uproar over a charity referring to the "birthing parent" in a tweet, now they've been bullied into apologising. Where is the perspective?

A bereaved mother then replied to her saying

[quote]Why was the word “mother” excluded? My son was stillborn. I had support from @SandsUK. Now they appear to deny that I was a mother?

Guardian journalist then replied

[quote]I'm so sorry for your loss. "Birthing parent" doesn't deny anyone's experience, it includes more of them (eg distinguishing between roles in a same-sex couple). This row over the phrasing of a tweet risks jeopardising Sands' important work

Another bereaved mother replied

[quote]I am not a birthing parent to the baby I had to bury last year. I am his Mother. Why is it that women saying no is what you feel jeopardises this charity and not the ridiculous lengths so called ‘inclusive’ language will go to? Many feel excluded by this sterile language.

The absolute heartlessness to tell women whose babies had died inside of them that they were not entitled to be described as mothers peaked a huge amount of people.

[quote]If we could just restore the more tasteful and discreet phrase “those with child”,

I think you mean "big with child"

“Well, if you used protection you wouldn’t have gotten pregnant!”

It's remarkable the lengths the trans-haters will go to portray themselves as victims.

R3 I agree the term "pregnant people" is silly, but "men who have sex with men" (MSM) isn't in the same category - especially when it's used to describe higher risk groups. It's mostly used in medical contexts where accuracy is important.

If you replace all instances of MSM with "gay/bi men" you'll miss out guys who sometimes have sex with men, but don't consider themselves gay or bi. You and I might, but denial is very much a thing in some people, so it's far safer to use MSM than have some guys think: "I have a lot more sex with women than men, so I'm not bi, therefore this doesn't include me".

This is where we have to be careful we don't over-correct.

R21, you've got to be kidding, victimhood is the tranny way of life.

Should we now call pregnant women, pregnant mammals instead if we can't call them pregnant people?

I meant to say earlier that I don't believe anyone really gives a fuck about the term really.

I get why people dislike "trans women" being used - especially for a man who still has his cock and balls.

But - while "pregnant people" sounds odd - it's not inaccurate. Women are people, after all.

So the pearl-clutching feels a bit like reverse virtue signalling. (Is that a thing?)

Only women can get pregnant.

Maintaining the delusion otherwise is not society’s job.

That newscaster did the world a solid.

R25, it was not inaccurate to say that 1 million people were murdered at Auschwitz. It's accurate to say they were Jews.

It's not inaccurate to say that people were segregated by race and unable to vote under American laws - it's accurate to say they were black people, descendants of African slaves.

It's not inaccurate to say 1.5 million people were diagnosed with prostate cancer in 2022 - it's accurate to say they were men.

It's not inaccurate to say different groups of people were at higher risk of transmitting HIV - it was accurate to say gay men were at higher risk.

And it's accurate to say that pregnant women are at risk of dying in excessive heat - not pregnant people.

R27 is actively erasing the gays, Roma, Jehovah’s Witnesses, disabled people and others targeted in the Holocaust. So no, it wouldn’t be accurate to reduce it to just Jews.

No R28, "the Holocaust" refers to the systematic industrial extermination of Jews in Europe.

Yes the Nazis targeted other groups but that was not "The Holocaust"

Nowadays we have Pregnant people who are CHEST feeding.

MAGA women scream holy hell about any trans issue or gender identity but LOVE to claim them and their husband/partner are pregnant.

[quote] She took it upon herself to correct it.

I find the phrase irritating too, but there is nothing in the phrase that was incorrect; it just wasn’t to her liking. People can be pregnant.

I personally prefer news readers not modify quotations they are reading simply because the phrasing displeased then (even if I share their displeasure).

“Pregnant persons with pussies”

R27 I'm not quite sure this is in quite the same category as Nazism, my love.

Remember what I said about pearl clutching?

That's front hole to you, r33!!

[quote]That's front hole to you, [R33]!!

The term "front hole" is transphobic - not all women have front holes.

The term "Bonus hole" is a trans inclusive term.

I prefer the more macho term “bonus hole.”

Where I came from there's a place called heaven

That's the place where all the good children go

The houses are of silver, the streets are gold

But there's more where you come from, my bonus hole

Blood races to your private spots

Lets me know there's a fire

You can't fight passion when passion is hot

Temperatures rise inside my bonus hole

Let me take you somewhere you've never been

I can show you things you've never seen

I can make you never want to fall in love again

Come spend the night inside my bonus hole

If she was reading a statement and quoting it, it was not her place to change the wording. Those comments from Mothers who lost babies should be quiet. When an infant dies, both parents suffer the loss even though only one was the birth parent. She should be glad she's not in the US because birth parent is the language used most often.

I prefer the term Spawn Factory.

What is "the gender bubble"?

No one should be required to read a quote verbatim if it contains something offensive.

Yes. Pregnant people is literal violence b

R39, somehow the word FATHER hasn’t become the taboo that MOTHER has in contemporary progressivism.

Of course fathers grieve a miscarriage. But they don’t have to deliver a dead fetus or walk around with a dead baby inside of them. It doesn’t happen to them. Pregnancy and childbirth are exclusively the domain of females. Women. Mothers.

You want women who’ve had a miscarriage to be quiet?

Fuck straight off with that shit.

I can’t stop thinking about trans. Fretting over scary boogeymen in dresses consumes my days and has even begun permeating my dreams. Trans! Trans! TRANS!!

Absolutely r44. Women are called cervix havers. Men are called, uh, men.

[quote]I can’t stop thinking about trans. Fretting over scary boogeymen in dresses consumes my days and has even begun permeating my dreams. Trans! Trans! TRANS!!

Boogey men?

Is this something to do with golf, nasal debris or disco dancing?

I thought the whole idea of "WE" are pregnant was started by woman who wanted men be more involved in the process. Now its dismissive of women? Sheesh, glad I am gay. Straight men can never make women happy. If I were straight I would say fine, I will be in the waiting room on the day of handing out cigars like they used to. Let your female relatives take care of all that mommy stuff until it's time. It's not a mans job to buy diapers.

" It's not a mans job to buy diapers."

Great grandpa, entering the chat from the grave

[quote]I thought the whole idea of "WE" are pregnant was started by woman who wanted men be more involved in the process. Now its dismissive of women? Sheesh, glad I am gay. Straight men can never make women happy. If I were straight I would say fine, I will be in the waiting room on the day of handing out cigars like they used to. Let your female relatives take care of all that mommy stuff until it's time. It's not a mans job to buy diapers.

Talk about creating a drama over something that doesn't happen.

If a man is responsible for a pregnancy then it's acceptable to say that he is expecting a baby. "We are pregnant" is an extension of this, it doesn't mean that both biological parents are literally pregnant.

Language evolves as society changes. The term birthing parent and non birthing parent can be useful in terms of law and policy, such as parental leave. A lesbian couple having a baby are both legally mothers but one is the biological mother and the other isn't. A woman who adopts a child is legally the mother but not a biological mother.

But when it comes to pregnancy only women can get pregnant. Issues like contraceptive health, pregnancy care, abortion, maternity care, maternity leave, employment protection are all based on the reality of biological sex and not any sense of gender expression or personality. And men in positions of power have controlled these for centuries and it's essential to maintain that anything pregnancy related are strictly women's rights.

You're using her dead baby to score a point on a message board, r18. Hardly a compassionate or respectful move on your part.

R51 - you call it scoring a point, I call it pointing out the heartlessness and cruelty of enforcing an ideology.

[quote] The absolute heartlessness to tell women whose babies had died inside of them that they were not entitled to be described as mothers peaked a huge amount of people.

This is an increasingly common ploy. I had a tragedy. Not allowing me to control the world because of my tragedy is the moral equivalent of spitting on me.

It’s silly and childish.

[quote]victimhood is the tranny way of life

Except trans people are frequently victims of violence and bigotry while the resentful old biddies who hate them just aren't. They're annoyed and inconvenienced which - to them - is worse than slavery.

I think the rise of gender critical views is interesting. Many who espouse those views will tell you things like "it's because the woke pushed it too far!" Whereas I think it's more that many people in the west are just pissed off at life.

If you speak to most people they'll generally agree things have got worse. Inflation is one key factor - it's hard to go a day without hearing how expensive things are, how salaries aren't climbing in line with it and how most are worse off than even 5 - 10 years ago. Covid exacerbated it, though didn't cause it.

People are worried and angry which in turn makes them less caring. They like venting their spleen because it makes them feel better, even if only temporarily. That's why many will reply to R54 's post with messages like: "So? I don't care", or "not my problem".

Same with gay pride posts. You'll now see responses like: "Where's straight pride? I've got a tough life too, but I never get pride events for my sexuality!" etc etc. And it's contagious in a way because many will read those sorts of comments and think "yeah good point, I'll remember that" and then they're parroting it on the next tweet or social media post. And on it goes.