NYT article on the SC trans ruling

I actually am in agreement with this ruling myself (because I don't think children have the moral responsibility to make such huge body-altering decisions until they're 18).

I wish, though, we could avoid OP's divisive knee-jerk rhetoric of "dropping the T," which is as stupid and over-the-top a political catchphrase as "defund the police."

I’m unfamiliar with NYT comments. Do the reporters always reply to comments? I like that!

They should be dropped. Please provide evidence that have positively championed gay and lesbian acceptance? Please provide evidence they have bettered society as a whole?

OP here. Used “drop the T” as shorthand for the comments which pretty much said the same in more words. Didn’t think it would be an issue. Sorry.

This is quite an article. Even trans people are identifying other trans as sick and unhealthy in their ideology.

Are we reading the same comment section OP? I don’t see the commenters being heavily in favour of the ruling at all.

Chase Strangio has done more harm to the gay rights movement in the past few years than any of the bigots we used to fight.

Yay, the Republicans won't push anti-gay legislation now that the T is gone!

Strangio destroyed the ACLU.

R6. Sort by reader pics and see the likes the comments in favor of decision get

Some real Mensa candidates they got over there:

“Regardless of 1 & 2, the trans rights movement is way ahead of any left-political support, never mind majoritarian support. Here is an inconvenient truth and a terrible memory: gay rights were not accepted by the majority of Americans until the AIDS crisis. It was just impossible for even right-of-center people to see gay men dying in front of them and on the news without humanizing them full stop. It was massive.“

R10 oh upvotes. Tbh I take those things with more than a pinch of salt. Anything to do with trans people online brings an enormous amount of troll behaviour, besides hate posting is much more popular than normal posting. See for example, this thread lol.

Most interesting. Thanks for posting.

Look, I absolutely believe that adults should do what they want with their lives and their bodies, and trans people have the right to transition if they are grown ass adults. But let’s be honest here. There is nothing normal or healthy about chopping off body parts and pumping yourself full of hormones. Gays and lesbians are natural as sexual orientation is a spectrum. Transsexualism is not normal or naturally occurring in nature. Logically there is just no reason to be connected to them.

Yes the trans movement has huge support among the American public. Any indication to the opposite is just MAGA propaganda.

[quote] I absolutely believe that adults should do what they want with their lives and their bodies

Would that include people throwing their own body off a bridge? When should society intervene to protect people from themselves and prevent self-injury?

It’s all quite simple actually: it’s impossible for a person to change sex. While dysphoria seems to be real, damaging body modifications are not the proper treatment.

sean cody will do anything

What is the proper treatment, R17?

In your opinion, r17. This issue should be up to the families, otherwise bigotry rides the bus. I was in a psychiatric facility back in the ‘80s when prejudice called the shots with gay issues. It was shatteringly nightmarish for kids who needed love and understanding.

How long until the first dipshit says “puberty blockers should be only for adults 18+” 😂

No posting history, OP?

R22 PSA on ignore-dar, it only shows u comments for threads that both you and the blocked poster have commented on. Unless you’ve commented on every single thread ever posted you can’t definitely say they have no posting history.

as a followup R22, I blocked OP and checked and there are three other threads I’ve commented on that he has too for which I can see past comments of his.

But it’s not my opinion, R20. It’s sound medical science. It’s biology. And I’m goddamn sick and tired of people trying to link homosexuality, which is a part of the range of normalcy in all species, with this completely unrelated notion simply because our national movement has decided to link us together.

How did the ACLU get taken over by these weak-minded, myopic people? I hope someone writes a book about it.

R25 pls it’s normality not normalcy.

R27 knows better than Merriam-Webster.

R26, the weak-minded ones are the people who scapegoat a minority group that makes up .6% of the population

Nobody cared about trans people 5 years ago...why do you care now? Because you fell for the right-wing culture war

Actually, R29, it was radical lesbians who changed my mind about trans rights. When I really started listening rather than regurgitating GLAAD’s lines, it all clicked.

Maybe, I "fell" for it, but I also trained as a woman's historian. I cannot understand what happened to gender studies since I left academia fifteen years ago. Why is this and not violence against women or reproductive rights the signature issue of the ACLU?

R28 it’s bad english idc what Merriam Webster says :)

R29 please, trans in women's sports has been an ongoing issue since at least 2018.

After Biden took office in January 2021, the administration started enforcing trans/nonbinary ideology, altering the language and pretty much every aspect of society for just a minuscule population, and those who objected were cancelled/ostracized. That wasn't going to end well.

Stop blaming the right for everything and start taking accountability.

I miss when they were just Drag Queens& performing at Bob and Brabara's at 15th& South Sts in Philly. God, when I was in Philly from1993 for work, the DICK and Ass from the Penn& Drexel students, plus the other guys in the bar.

I don’t have a definite position on this issue. Though i think the extreme right used some of the more radical trans agenda to scare people and some part of the left fell on this trap, trans people should be defended and have rights. Again, not sure about the age issue.

What is very clear to me is that it won’t stop here, Gay men and women will be next. Nothing to celebrate here.

r33 is also:

THEATRE GOSSIP #593: The "Last Summer at Datalounge Cove" Edition*

[quote][quote]So the question now is: Was it unreasonable to expect that kind of performance schedule for all those decades? Or are so many current performers lacking in that they can't or won't keep to such a schedule?

[quote][R19] it's because woke Broadway has adopted socialism, which encourages laziness and equates hard work with capitalism, which they despise with a passion.

[quote]They also equate hard work with the patriarchy, because men are generally more industrious than women, who often make up excuses not to go into work.

[quote]In short, productivity usually goes down when women are hired or in charge.

*Democrats are un-American hypocrites who project a lot!*

[quote]Everything they accuse Republicans of, they're guilty of themselves.

[quote]They call Trump a fascist and authoritarian, but it was Democrats under Biden (Jan 2021-Jan 2025) who tried to install an authoritarian system of government, embracing more a spirit of socialism than representative democracy.

18 to vote, join the military, get a tattoo

18/21 to buy cigarettes

21 to buy alcohol

16/18 to drive

25 to rent a car

Why should it be different with regards to medical/surgical procedures with regards to kids who think they are transgender .

Don’t 80-90% of kids grow out of youth gender dysphoria?

[quote]Don’t 80-90% of kids grow out of youth gender dysphoria?

Where do you get that stat, r37?

[quote] Transsexualism is not normal or naturally occurring in nature.

Did you not watch Jurassic Park?

4 out of 5 grow out of it according to this doctor

[quote]R33 please, trans in women's sports has been an ongoing issue since at least 2018.

I have to giggle each time this “plight” is trotted out at DL.

In general, gay men are not invested in sports. They are even less invested in WOMEN’S sports.

We’re supposed to actually care that Heather lost her placement in the girls tetherball competition?

R38 he made it up

Worse, r42, he got it from the NY Post.

R42 see r40.

R43 is an idiot who doesn’t look beyond a headline. If you want to read the original article from Finland go for it.

R37, yes, most turn out gay or lesbian. Some are just autistic. 18 should be age for consent.

- I do not believe transwomen are women. I think they're transwomen and that's totally cool.

- I think we do need separate spaces for bio women.

- I don't think anyone who went through male puberty should ever play professional or collegiate level women's sport.

- I don't think children should mess with their bodies at all until they're of age to live with the consequences.

So I guess this puts me somewhere in the "trans critical" crowd.

But I would never call myself that because what I can't tolerate about the "trans critical" crowd is how dehumanizing they speak about trans people. There's such a coldness and cruelty in their delivery. They really think trans people are sub human, disgusting and worthy of nothing but derision.

That I can't ever support.

And if trans really is a disorder, shouldn't we show compassion and empathy for someone living with such a mental disorder?

LoL, r44, move to Finland. You'll be much happier.

As of now, my comment is in the top 20 Reader’s picks

Keep deflecting R47. You don’t have an argument that’s why you continue to lose on this. When the lawyer arguing the case for youth gender transition publicly says “a penis is not a male body part it’s just an unusual body part for a woman” you know you are fucked. It was a terrible case did the ACLU to take on to begin with.

R20 and what did you do about it?

Interesting comment. Don’t know if it’s true, but it kind of makes sense. Though even if true, it sure jumps to an unwarranted conclusion in that last sentence.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I heard on the NYT Daily podcast that the group that lobbied for gay marriage for years needed a new cause to raise funds after Obergefell. They went for transsexuals, previously an obscure topic. You sometimes hear Democrats claim the Republicans started attacking transsexuals out of nowhere, but the whole controversy started with this group adopting this 1% of the population as their new way to raise funds from liberals. If they hadn't, this would have remained an obscure topic.

"Yay, the Republicans won't push anti-gay legislation now that the T is gone!"

I'm more worried about Democrats and Independents who would otherwise support us, but for this issue.

[quote] We’re supposed to actually care that Heather lost her placement in the girls tetherball competition?

We’ll care after we lose a couple more presidential elections.

And, yeah, I do care that Heather lost her placement in tetherball.

If I have to pick between Heather's tetherball placement or castrating healthy little boys, Heather wins.

[quote]If I have to pick between Heather's tetherball placement or castrating healthy little boys, Heather wins.

^Strangio has entered the chat^

I'm with you, r46.

Mental health victims have many legal protections.

R46 Yes, I agree the gender critical movement can be very hardline and cold, though I suspect a lot of their reactions are aimed at the perpetually online TRAs who make such a spectacle out of misgendering and using women’s toilets. But there’s often a lack of distinction that many trans people don’t do that and just want to live their lives in peace.

[quote]I cannot understand what happened to gender studies since I left academia fifteen years ago.

Gender studies is a load of horse shit. It was hastily thrown together by the English department for PR reasons. It totally glosses over biology too.

[quote]- I think we do need separate spaces for bio women.

We also need separate spaces for big women.

R60 - I agree. What is there in gender studies anyway? Anyway, this Trans thing will quite away soon and I hope gays and lesbians don't lose rights. With the way white leftists are operating in this country, colluding with religious fanatics, and immigration from conservative countries, low birth rate among Whites, all of these things will go away.

R62 I don’t understand the way that far left people think.

Christian nutjobs and regular Jews = evil and a dangerous threat

Muslim nutjobs = my dear friends

What rights did they lose? Can't you still get your tits cut off and take hormones (as an adult)?

I feel that after 18, anything goes. But I am wary of puberty blockers.

Weird how things went from people saying to me, “You’re too young! How do you even really know you’re gay?” when I was 17 to people advocating for blockers for young children.

R64 They want the “right” to transition kids. Because they are insane.

It’s all part of the game. They pretend that it’s not happening, and that all of these news stories about transitioning children is just right wing propaganda, but they lose their shit when red states ban things that supposedly aren’t happening anyway.

Puberty blockers and trans surgery for children is the new conversion therapy.

And conversion therapy for gay men is BANNED in many parts of the country.

Puberty blockers and trans surgery for children should be banned as well.

"A total of 27 states, as well as the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, and more than 100 municipalities have instituted bans on conversion therapy and its governmental funding."

It's all about vanity. They want to transition before puberty kicks in and they end-up looking like John Fetterman in a wig.

They stole our community and our organizations and now they’re having their asses handed to them, and I’m here for it. Not that I like this Supreme Court, but the fact that they’re knocking down the people who fucked us over is music to my ears.

[quote]r59 = I suspect a lot of their reactions are aimed at the perpetually online TRAs who make such a spectacle out of misgendering and using women’s toilets.

Online isn't real life.

I feel zero sympathy for the major ity of these people, many of whom behaved like complete assholes during the period when they thought "history was on their side." They agitated for the ostracism and outright cancellation of anyone who dared to raise concerns about the transing of minors. It has become clear over the past decade that many, many children who have been indoctrinated into this movement are in fact simply gay, and only need time and space to figure out who they are. Any attempts to advocate for these children were met with social and economical reprisals. These people have been brought to this place in history by their own movement's leaders and now they find themselves without friends. Well don't look at me.

Acceptance always takes time. For gays, it took decades from when we started identifying as gay.

Trans has been here since ancient times. It’s real.

It’s just being demonized for political purposes like gay marriage was.

In time, we will evolve as a society

[quote] They stole our community and our organizations and now they’re having their asses handed to them

they didn’t steal anything. After gay marriage became legal, all the LGBT organizations had to find something else to fight for so they pivoted.

Seeing the political vitriol against trans, turns out the organizations were exactly right

You mean make money off.

[quote]Seeing the political vitriol against trans, turns out the organizations were exactly right

Are you referring to the same organizations that have spent the last several years trying to manufacture a “trans genocide” by showcasing a bunch of dead transgender hookers and criminals on their website, most of whose deaths had absolutely nothing to do with them being transgender? Those organizations?

“Chardoneesha was tragically shot and killed while burglarizing a home. Please send us money.”

Every organization, whether LGBT-serving or not, needs money.

And yes, trans rights are the main LGBT issue today.

They have focused correctly.

When gays were demanding gay marriage, did anyone say, LBT only?

[quote]r71 = It has become clear over the past decade that many, many children who have been indoctrinated into this movement are in fact simply gay

Sure, Jan.

[Quote] Gender studies is a load of horse shit. It was hastily thrown together by the English department for PR reasons. It totally glosses over biology too.

There are 4 genes that define gender and parts of them turn off and on depending on your genetics and likely your environment. When you say “biology,” I know you don’t understand biology

R72 no healthy society is ever going to accept and normalize transitioning children. That is simply a sick thing to do, and no amount of forced wokeness is going to change that.

[Quote] It has become clear over the past decade that many, many children who have been indoctrinated into this movement are in fact simply gay.

The exact same thing they said about gays. Children were “indoctrinated” into being gay, apparently

[Quote] no healthy society is ever going to accept and normalize transitioning children. That is simply a sick thing to do, and no amount of forced wokeness is going to change that.

“Transitioning” is done by the children themselves. Hormones are given to a minuscule portion. Surgery is almost nonexistent in kids.

Gender is not biological.

[Quote] Puberty blockers and trans surgery for children is the new conversion therapy.

Except trans patients are very approving of therapies. Those experiencing conversion therapy are not

Well, soon hormones will be given to NO children. And surgery will be entirely nonexistent, not almost nonexistent. And that is the way it should be.

[Quote] Gender is not biological.

Tell me you haven’t a clue about biology without telling me

[Quote] Gender is not biological.

Gay is not biological

When trans advocate/surgeon Marci Bowers admitted that she had never seen a kid who was on puberty blockers grow into an adult capable of having an orgasm, that should have been the end of the conversation.

Sex refers to biological differences between males and females: chromosomes (female XX, male XY), reproductive organs (ovaries, testes), hormones (oestrogen, testosterone). Gender refers to the cultural differences expected (by society/culture) of men and women according to their sex. A person’s sex does not change from birth, though their gender can.

[Quote] When trans advocate/surgeon Marci Bowers admitted that she had never seen a kid who was on puberty blockers grow into an adult capable of having an orgasm, that should have been the end of the conversation.

Because adult trans people don’t keep going to a surgeon.

Why not ask a trans person? Over 90% of trans are happy being trans

The question of whether gender is biological involves distinctions between sex, gender, and gender identity, which are related but not the same. Biological sex is typically determined by physical and genetic characteristics. Gender is a social and cultural construct that refers to roles, behaviors, expressions, and identities that societies consider appropriate for men, women, and other gender identities. While it often aligns with biological sex, it is influenced by cultural norms, personal identity, and lived experience. Gender Identity is how a person experiences and identifies their own gender — as male, female, a blend of both, neither, or another identity entirely.

It is psychological and personal, not dictated by biology.

Thanks, ChatGPT at r91.

R73, those organizations cultivated the vitriol far more than they responded to it.

It's true, though, R92. Eat it.

For gays, it took decades from when we started identifying as gay.

-Not true…^

Maybe these trannies can finally get the mental help they need instead of mutilating themselves.

[quote]Maybe these trannies can finally get the mental help they need

Such projection, r96.

[bold]Once again, Dylan Mulvaney, the Trans Activist, is NON active. Not a peep. [/bold] He doesn't go to Trans Rallies. He doesn't go to protests. At least Lena Dunham shows up. Dylan does show up to get his picture taken on red carpets. Do you get it? He isn't an "activist" for anyone but HIMself and HIS desperate need for fame.

I wonder how many of you posting comments, whether in support or against, actually know any transgender people?

I know two: a 14-year-old teenager who is going through the process with the love and support of his family, friends, and physicians. The second person is someone who transitioned as an adult back in the late 1960s, receiving gender-affirming surgery at Johns Hopkins. She is now in her 70s and is very happy and successful. It took many years before I learned her story. And what a story it was.

In both cases, knowing these individuals so well has convinced the skeptical part of me that there really is a legitimate need for some people to consider this path, difficult though it may be.

If the Supreme Court made a gay ruling WE would be all over it and all over social media. But when the Supreme Court makes (yet another) Trans Ruling----the "activist" Dylan Mulvaney, who PROFITS off being trans----is SILENT on social media. WHY?

"Trans babies are the CHANEL of babies, darling!"

R91 box “Gender Identity is how a person experiences and identifies…”

And the third prong is where it falls apart.

I get your summary of the first and second prongs…BUT

R99 14 is way too young.

A 14 year old is what 8th or 9th grade R99? I mean I remember 8th grade girls all being in love with new kids on the block, then the summer came around and by the time school started they all hated the new kids and liked.grunge and gangster rap. That’s not a brain that can or should be making decisions that will alter the course of their life.

I remember 8th grade girls all being in love with David Bowie

FIFY

[bold]HONEST QUESTION------>>[/bold] If you can change your gender based on your "feelings"....Then you can also change your AGE right? You really CAN be 18 again!! Or your species (if you identify as a squirrel)? Right?

I don’t see why not r106.

You're as young as you feel, 106. You apparently feel decrepit.

^r106

[quote]I wonder how many of you posting comments, whether in support or against, actually know any transgender people?

Well I have an MBA and a six figure salary, so why would I hang out with prostitutes?

"The second person is someone who transitioned as an adult back in the late 1960s, receiving gender-affirming surgery at Johns Hopkins"

One of three major centers for transexual surgery. Unlike Billy Boy, your friend was not rejected.

R98 That's because Dylan Mulvaney is trans for clicks, not because they're actually trans. Half the queer people running around on the social media platforms are just queer for clicks. Same with the "non binary".

I'll never understand how trans women can say they're championing for women's rights as a woman and then dress up like Donna Reed and act like it's 1962.

[quote]Well I have an MBA and a six figure salary

R41 You sound so cute when you giggle.

My mother told me that it feels awkward having a gay son. I said “hey, it could be worse. At least I’m not trans. That’d really be embarrassing.”

Don’t trans women sometimes shit out of their vaginas? There’s some condition where the neo vagina gets a hole in it where it connects to the rectum, or something like that. The whole thing sounds gruesome.

Puberty blockers affect brain development and skeletal growth. Not a good idea. Puberty blockers are not candy and are use to stop precocious puberty, which is dangerous. Puberty blockers long term effects have not been studied. This “trans children” have been used as guinea pigs. Europe and Scandinavia are finally pumping the breaks. The lawsuits are going to be legendary.

People now feel that puberty is not supposed to be a confusing time. Your body may be changing but your brain is still that of a child. You may not feel connected with what’s going on with your body. Now they’re telling kids that that confusion means a that they’ve been born into the wrong body. It’s sick and abusive. When you start advocating for drugging kids and messing with their reproductive systems, the state needs to intervene.

And BTW, these same people who are all in for the drugs were the same ones screaming about Big Pharma and now say that a child’s brain isn’t capable of consenting until they’re in their 20s because their brains are still growing. Were then supposed to be believe that they’re old enough to advocate for drugs and surgery!? Make it make sense. It simply doesn’t. This is a cult. It’s Munchhausen by proxy, autism, and social media. These kids would have been beatniks or hippies decades ago. Now they’re trans. Unfortunately the way to be trans has deadly medical consequences. The medical establishment loves it because these kids will now been lifetime patients of theirs. They were already caught on tape talking about their needing more child sex changes. I’ve been to two hospitals and received messages about their amazing transitioning care. One of the top doctors is now under investigation for unlawful medical practice. It’s a woman.

No children are going ho did for not getting hormones. If trans kids always existed, show me a list of names of those who died from not getting treatment because for centuries there was no treating kids with gender dysphoria outside of therapy.

MTFs show up to gynecologist offices demanding to be looked at without uteruses or “bottom surgery” because it makes them feel like women. They want to face wombs implanted in themselves. This isn’t gender dysphoria. It’s a fetish and body modification. It’s the new cutting. If you advocate for this you must advocate for people with body dysmorphia being starved to death and agreeing that they’re old enough truly are fat. The psychiatric community is going to collapse under the weight of all the lawsuits coming. You have kids now calling up asking for their breasts and testicles back. And let’s cut the crap - there is a lot of homophobia when it comes to trans ideology.

All studies show that children with gender dysphoria grow out of it and more than half become gay or lesbian. They are now advocating for destroying that.

These sick fucks are upset because the Supreme Court ruled they can’t mutilate children. And this is bad because why?

[bold] I don't have kids!!!. I didn't get hormones as a child!!. I didn't chop up my body as a child!!! I still have my penis but call myself a woman!! But let OTHER kids have their hormones and surgeries!![/bold]...........................Trans Community

I was just innocently walking down the street on my way to the LSAT exam when I was tragically killed. Honest.

R116, one of the saddest things you can read are the Reddit threads filled with people who regret their gender surgeries. From what I gather, the surgeons make them believe they are getting a functional vagina that is dissimilar from a natal vagina. In truth, it’s essentially a wound that they have to dilate every day, for hours a day, so that it doesn’t close up, a painful process from what I understand. Many of them complain about terrible smells and not being able to get any depth in there, even with the dilation. It’s very heart-wrenching to read. In many cases it makes the trans person’s dysphoria even worse once they realize the thing they’ve dreamed about isn’t what they expected.

I don’t think that children should be on puberty blockers or cross sex hormones. If they feel that they are in the wrong body, they should wait until they are over 18 to start transitioning.

Maybe the World Professional Association for Transgender can come up with a way to transplant vaginas from biological women into biological men. No dilation! Problem solved!

R49- That’s the problem today- The normalization of CRAZY 😜 People.

Drop the T!

Team "Drop the T".

Jesus wept. Without Skyy vodka we are nothing.

“Gay Pride”? Yes

“Pride”? No

Exactly.

Is Chase Strangio really the best spokesperson?

Hell, I’m a gay man and even I want to beat up Chase Strangio.

Chase Strangio came out against free speech and had the ACLU not defend the First Amendment. MAGA and trannies will be studied years from now. Both are cults.

“IT’S MA’AM!”

I think Chase, as an adult, should have the right to make medical decisions that will alter the normal biological functioning of a body.

But issues related to that are entirely distinct from people of the same sex marrying each other.

This is the paragraph that sums up my view. There probably IS a very small subset of minors that might benefit from this. But I’m not willing to sacrifice the other 99% who would be harmed by such treatment. Wait till you’re 18 kids. Sometimes life isn’t perfect or fair, sorry. But now, you’ve set up a ruling that could set a precedent for banning such things altogether. Congrats, Chase. With friends like you…

These questions — how doctors should balance medical evidence against a patient’s wishes — become trickier, Guyatt acknowledged, when it comes to children. Cass has stressed her belief that some dysphoric young people will most likely benefit from transitioning before adulthood — the problem is that doctors cannot yet reliably identify which ones. An unquestioning approach to gender-affirming care, Cass has argued, is precisely the wrong way to handle young people with a more flexible view of gender than earlier generations. “It only becomes a challenge if we’re medicalizing it, giving an irreversible treatment, for what might be just a normal range of gender expression,” she told The Times last spring.

Gay children need legal protections from their Munchausen-by-Proxy mothers and the insane medical establishment subjecting them to "gender affirming care" until they are adults...by which time their temporary dysphoria has abated, and they're just regular GAY and LESBIAN people.

I'll have my posting privileges blocked again for daring to say this, as I do every few weeks for voicing ANY opposition to the demands of the Gender Identity Movement who controls us all.

[quote]The second person is someone who transitioned as an adult back in the late 1960s, receiving gender-affirming surgery at Johns Hopkins...

Johns Hopkins stopped doing sex change operations many years ago. They decided they were unethical, or at least not helping anyone. The cure for dysphoria is not radical surgery.

With all the shit Trump is pulling against immigrants, colleges, the media, law firms, this is the hill the ACLU decided to die on. Fuck you very much Mr. Strangio. This is what happens when a cult takes over a once reputable institution.

YES! YES! LEGISLATE MORE HATE!!

GAYS NEXT!

Trans activism is a corrupting force. It forces you to make a choice that ultimately goes against gay rights, women’s rights, free speech, and other liberal causes as they were once understood. It’s unique in its overreach.

“Gays with their faces in the leopard cage”

With gays, it’s more like “not our zoo - not our cages”.

It is an unwinding of a relationship that never made sense anyway. And it will take time to do that effectively.

Oh good, I've got most of you lunatics blocked.

Enjoy the reeducation camps.

That’s 95% of DL—what’s left for you?

“Enjoy the reeducation camps.”

We already had those. They trained us to believe we could change what we biologically were: gay.

And they are back targeting a population that is overwhelmingly gay, but is being taught that they can change their biology to avoid that.

For the life of me I can't figure out why so many gay men and lesbians are having such fits when someone mentions that being gay or lesbian has absolutely nothing to do with fluctuating gender identities.

What I love is the idea that - if it wasn’t for trans people - the gays would be loved!! The White Christian Nationalists would just LOVE us, if it weren’t for those pesky trans people!!

It’s trans people’s fault! They’re the reason they hate us!

The White Christian Nationalists want to be our friends! Many of them are already on this thread, posting their anonymous, fake Reddit posts about vaginoplasty that sympathise with unsuspecting trans people who were sold cheap, poor quality vaginas by Roto Rooter - which you can’t even fuck! And ALL OTHER PLASTIC SURGERY is great! No one’s ever had any regrets about that! Liposuction is 100% safe!

Also, these idiots who think trans teenagers are “subjected” to surgery. /smh THAT’S THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT OF PUBERTY BLOCKERS, IDIOTS! So trans people can avoid the trauma of puberty - with completely safe puberty blockers - and take time to develop further awareness of their gender identity. DUH.

Also, not all trans people have surgery. What they choose to do with their bodies is their business - and NONE OF YOURS. Plenty of trans people just do hormone therapy. All of you idiots think they all want to look like Barbie dolls or something but with fully working genitals. You’re so ridiculous. THAT’S YOUR IDEA, YOUR STANDARD - not theirs! They do what the need to do to feel comfortable in their own bodies. There’s no surgeries being performed on children. I can’t believe the often demonised gay people believe this SHIT.

You’re applauding a ruling that says it’s all right for people to misuse ivermectin - which is primarily used to treat worms in horses - to combat COVID but not all right for trans teenagers, in consultation with their parents and their doctor to elect to take puberty blockers - while other teenagers are perfectly welcome to take them for a variety of other reasons. Even Alito acknowledged in his concurrence that for him - this is about HATE.

You people must have no lives whatsoever, thinking you need to air your uninformed opinions on matters that are of no relevance to you whatsoever. That’s the sad part.

Don’t ban me right away. I just have a few interesting links to post first.

I am a gay man. And I see organizations I used to support who now CLAIM to support LGBT but clearly have a favorite. You can't have multiple articles talking about how special TRANZ are and ignore the other letters.

Literally no one is claiming that far-right Christian bigots are going to love gay people. We are saying we don’t give a shit what they think because we defeated them. We won every major gay rights victory after decades of hard fighting. We were in a place where we could claim a decisive doctors, but our organizations decided to force team trans and, in so doing, they have squandered some of our good will.

PERFECT EXAMPLE. These groups have a "favorite" and gay men aren't it. Not a dime. Drop the TEE.

R146 satire is not your strong suit

Listen to this, you idiots! There’s ALL sorts of things going on in the human body that people are suffering from that you don’t know anything about! And just because it scares you or you like to punch down on marginalised people, doesn’t mean they should be denied life-saving care.

Go ahead, listen. You’ll like this one.

Plenty of people modify their bodies to align with their identities. It’s not just trans people. Puberty blockers extend people’s lives! I see comments on here saying, “Oh, they can just wait until they’re 18.” Puberty is THE MOST traumatic time for trans people!

For example, think back to when you were a 12 year old boy. You wanted hair on your chest, under your arms and a big bush of pubic hair. You want your shoulders to broaden and your balls to drop, etc. Your voice to deepen. Think about it, how manly you wanted to become.

Then imagine, none of that happens. Instead you start growing breasts - what are the other guys on the soccer pitch going to think?? And you bleed. You start menstruating. Your body has completely turned against you, it’s betrayed you and you just want to die. Imagine it, think about it.

And spare me your autogynophilia bullshit.

So many of you say trans people have nothing to do with us - BUT THEY’VE BEEN THERE ALL ALONG! Side by side! We were their refuge and they are our defenders! They fought right there, beside us. We’ve always been entwined. You think gay men discovered camp on their own? Please.

And what I don’t hear on this thread and what you all should be saying is: THANK GOD I DON’T HAVE THIS CONDITION. THANK GOD THIS ISN’T SOMETHING I HAVE TO SUFFER. WHAT CAN I DO TO HELP?

You’re all an embarrassment. To humanity. Reflect. Challenge yourselves. Stop the hate.

R151 ------------------>>> [bold] You just posted about 12 YEAR OLDS and PUBIC HAIR. You are sick. This is why they hate us. Go get help. [/bold].

Miss Strangio, one of the biggest drivers of the insane T message, is mentally ill x1000, no question. And thanks flippy floppy Loser Team Biden, for foisting Rachel Levine upon the populace.

R147, it is a widely held belief that if there wasn’t same sex marriage, the minuscule trans community would not have been targeted by WCN who, after losing the fight on same sex marriage, needed a new boogeyman to stoke fear into their party. Our progress was their setback.

And after they fought for our rights, you just want to leave them exposed to this non-stop torrent of hate. You got yours, right? Gay people didn’t even throw the first brick at Stonewall but now, we’re good and trans people can go fuck themselves. Wow. So narrow-minded.

These people scream about colonialism yet they go and demand non-English languages de-gender their language. They don’t see the irony.

Erm,,R152. You’re such an obvious troll. I posted about puberty, an experience I had when I was like 11 or 12.

Anything else is going on in your mind.

R151 = [bold]"a big bush of pubic hair"...........You're sick. Get help. Go to a hospital and tell them you are posting about 12 year olds puberty. Go NOW....Don't wait. [/bold]

We were their refuge and they are our defenders! They fought right there, beside us.

Too fuckin’ funny 🤣

Don’t even know where to begin with R154’s bullshit.

Isn’t this entire thread about a SCOTUS ruling upholding a state-wide ban on puberty blockers? Why wouidn’t we be able to discuss puberty then and the experience of trans teens?

The rot seems to be in your brain, R157.

This obvious MAGA troll is who you’re all trusting to lead a discussion about the health care needs of trans teens? O-kay. Y’know, the “every accusation is a confession” crowd? Right.

Take your time, R159. Use your words.

R157 = RJ May

R160 ------------>> [bold] ANY hospital. Leave now. Do you need me to call an UBER? [/bold]

"they fought for OUR rights"......

WHERE? Not any rally I ever went to.

R154 here we go again with the rewriting of the Gay Liberation Movement history

"they fought for OUR rights"......

Yes. So many TRANz fighting for OUR rights.....

Puberty is traumatic for just about everyone R151. Your scenario is ridiculous. A 12 year old boy having a female puberty? That would make him a GIRL!

Not just almost.. Everyone!

And we survived it well enough.

Photo. So many BRAVE TRANZ on the front lines fighting for US....oh wait. Nope.

Funny that a troll brags about making six figures and having a MBA, but it’s still ignorant nonetheless.

Thanks for gifting the link, OP; this was the most comprehensive, measured postmortem of the ACLU's strategy that I've seen yet. I hope Anthony Romero and everyone else there reads it with an open mind and learns from it, because it's clear their fatal mistakes were intellectual arrogance and a refusal to consider dissenting views.

You can't effectively craft, argue or defend your own position if you refuse to consider anyone else's. This failure before the SC has far-reaching implications for the entire country, not just the LGBTQ+ community, and we all need to hold the ACLU responsible for their part in it.

[quote]I'll have my posting privileges blocked again for daring to say this, as I do every few weeks for voicing ANY opposition to the demands of the Gender Identity Movement who controls us all.

Try your luck with the webmaster if you're a paid member who didn't violate the rules and your privileges were unfairly revoked. This can help them identify who is abusing the report system.

Also funny to see the republican trolls saying that transgenders have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do homophobia e the fight for gay rights while blindly ignoring that we live in a patriarchal world where the main reasons for society to hate transgenders and transexuals are also the exact same reasons for society to hate gay men and women.

But some trolls love shamelessly displaying their low IQ.

Disgraceful to see gays and mainly trolling lesbians celebrating a decision that was made by a conservative SCOTUS based on morality, beliefs and personal convictions, when this is actually a scientific debate where only scientific ethics and scientific takes should matter.

Hope they enjoy the homophobic legislation that follows.

R170 oh baby, I can guarantee you that I’m not ignorant. In fact, I’m so smart that I stopped donating to tranny organization HRC and instead started donating the gay men’s health crisis. Whereas HRC doesn’t do shit, GMHC actually provide services the gay men in the community.

R173 just because certain activists took it upon themselves to decide that gay and trans should be lumped together in the same community doesn’t mean that these two groups actually have anything in common. All I want is to be able to quietly live my life with my partner and live together without being harassed. Personally, I really don’t even care whether or not I have the right to get married because I don’t want or need that anyway. And I sure as shit don’t care whether or not mentally ill people have the legal right to chop their dicks and tits off. And by the way. they already had that right anyway, which makes their entire rights movement a farce.

team trans.

fuck terfs.

That’s the problem of being a low IQ gay brainwashed by rightwing propaganda R175, you still do not understand that this isn’t about YOU or your boyfriend and your personal choices; but it’s about US, millions of us, gays all around the world.

Your rights didn’t just magically appeared they had to be fought for and the same people willing to take transgenders’ rights away and to call them crazy are also willing to take your rights away.

In other words, you may see yourself as so much better than trans but you are hated essentially for the same reasons they are. And it’s basically a fact that some 90% of cisgender heterosexuals who hate transgenders and love trash talking them on the web also hate gays and lesbians, always did.

Meanwhile, while you proudly parrot rightwing talking points, I will never ‘drop the T’ because reality remains that :

1 - Transgenders aren’t the ones bashing gay men. 2 - Transgenders aren’t the ones having a problem with the “flamboyance” and effeminacy of gay men. 3 - Transgenders aren’t the ones screaming that a marriage should be between a male and a female. 04 - Transgenders aren’t the ones chasing gay couples and shouting all sorts of abuse and slurs at them. 5 - Trans people aren’t the ones who think children shouldn’t have two fathers or two mothers. 6 - Trans people aren’t the ones claiming that gays and lesbians are morally wrong and are going to hell for being bad people. 7 - Trans people aren’t the ones claiming gays and lesbians can and should be encouraged to turn into heterosexual people. 8 - Trans people aren’t the reason closeted people are in the closet. 9 - Trans people aren’t the ones screaming that homosexuality is unnatural. 10 - Trans people never claimed that homosexuality was a pathology. 11 - Trans people aren’t the ones claiming gays and lesbians aren’t suitable to be elementary school teachers or to be around children. 12 - Transgenders are NOT the ones applauding and electing homophobic politicians.

“For the life of me I can't figure out why so many gay men and lesbians are having such fits when someone mentions that being gay or lesbian has absolutely nothing to do with fluctuating gender identities.“

“Fluctuating gender identity” is nothing more than the human expression of preference. I prefer to act like a biological woman when I am not one. I prefer the color green. It is not science, and if you equate it with science, then you may as well believe in magic.

Raping and murdering trannies is fun

It’s even more fun, when you do it with a gun!

I chopped off all their toes

Wrapped each one in bows

And tossed them in the wood chipper one by one!

[quote]So trans people can avoid the trauma of puberty

Puberty is a natural human process, not a "trauma."

If a girl is "traumatized" by growing tits, she needs counseling, not chemicals.

when it comes to tennessee, dolly parton figured it out so long ago.

look in bible, y’all.

southern baptists know that everyone can be reborn...

We've all been crucified and they nailed Jesus to the tree / And when I'm born again, you're gonna see a change in me

And it’s basically a fact that some 90% of cisgender heterosexuals who hate transgenders and love trash talking them on the web also hate gays and lesbians, always did.

You sure do shovel a lot of shit in a single post. You keep thinking such nonsense. The rest of of us are moving on, as free, hapoy and accepted homosexuals.

happy*

re — ^^ the "hapoy" homosexualist

"basically a fact...?"

"90%...?"

who uses clinical words like "homosexual?"

I do, to mock your histrionics.

R184 that first para is a quote from someone else above. The second para is mockery. What don’t you get?

Fuck off British frau R182, unfuckable pathetic creatures like you aren’t even gay men in the first place and you’ve got no life experience as a lgbtq person

I hate that this case was decided this way. It clearly sets up a precedent for a state to now ban these types of treatments for adults too. This never needed to happen.

As the article lays out so well, this situation was completely bungled by the ACLU and Chase Strangio and legitimate adult trans individuals may soon be worse off than even 50 years ago. Disgraceful.

I’m happy to stand with the T community but they better get their shit together.

Being attracted to the opposite gender is also a natural process and a very natural consequence of puberty, however that doesn’t mean that if someone IS NOT attracted to the opposite gender after puberty that they need any sort of counseling, they need respect and understanding.

I’m born and bred in the USA. And I’ve had more cock and ass than you could ever dream of.

I could out-do Dawson in my day. Proudly..

Sure frau, I mean, Sure Jan.

Why do you seem to hate women so? Genuinely curious.

[quote]they need respect and understanding

And a big, fat, beautiful cock.

The fraus R192?

Probably because they’ve never had REAL problems in life, swallow a lot of DESTRUCTIVE rightwing propaganda, refuse to recognize their privileges.

Then come to this GAY message board and start whining and victimizing themselves like the cunty babies that they are.

Centrist and leftwing women? The kind that stay out of datalounge?

Well, I get along with them very well, usually better than I get along with other gay men, but then, not every woman is a decent human being.

As a cock-loving gay man, I feel sorry for you. Bless your heart.

Feel sorry for the fraus who could be out there getting straight hard cock, but instead have dried up pussies and choose to spend their time on a GAY message board obsessing about trans people and thinking they’ll manage to convince others to drink the conservative kool-aid.

[bold] No one has done more to hurt the LGBT Community in the last ten years than TRANZ Community. [/bold]Own it. All we (gay men) wanted was marriage. We didn't sign up to lose our rainbow flag, steal womens restrooms, take womens medals, or play around with idiotic pronouns!

Zzzzzz pathetic and predictable arguments, gay men all over the world want representation, visible role models, a sense that is very safe and advisable to come out of the closet and THE END of homophobia and homophobic beliefs.

The rights supposedly being taken away from you are not being taken away by any transgender, they are being taken away by heterosexuals who have ALWAYS thought of you as a menace to their perfect world, who don’t want you to be a part of their family, or any family for that matter and who you sadly try to cater to.

Last time I checked, I have all my rights—same as any other man.

No shite, R198. An orientation civil rights bill would likely pass Congress. However, straight liberal Democrats, between tearful sobs, would wail, "We could [bold]never[/bold] ' throw trans under the bus', says MUST accept that (lump it)!"

The NYT has done an excellent job of covering the T extremism and the damage it has to done to various groups as well as the Democrats (especially Kamala last time). Excellent article.

[quote]That’s the problem of being a low IQ gay brainwashed by rightwing propaganda [R175], you still do not understand that this isn’t about YOU or your boyfriend and your personal choices; but it’s about US, millions of us, gays all around the world.

You're wrong.

Trans people and their issues have nothing to do with homosexual men.

The low IQ one is you.

So you want to get YOUR piece of cake R200 while others should be left behind to rot and accept being treated as less than?

Thank goodness A LOT of heterosexual people nowadays don’t have your mentality, or homophobia levels in the US would match those seen in Uganda.

Dum Frau R202, you lack knowledge about feminism if you RELLY believe the crap that you wrote.

The roots of homophobia and transphobia ARE THE SAME, end of story.

[quote] "We want to vilify the LGBT Community. We need to make them seem unreasonable or unsafe. We need to find men in dresses who call themselves women and she. We need to find people in their community who will prance around women's restrooms and call it a "right". We need to find men in dresses who like to talk about CHILDREN they don't have, under the guise of "protecting" children. But wherever will we find such persons?.-----------MAGA PLAYBOOK

"WoW. All of that sounds awesome!! Count us in!!"-------The Trans Community.

No point in arguing. I hope trans folks are ok in managing the issues trans folks have.

Now, back to Gaylezville. .

Whatever happened to that loudmouth black tranny who went on Piers Morgan with Riley Gaines? She was ranting about how there’s no difference between trans women and biological women, and then she went off on a rant calling Piers Morgan a disgusting white man, and saying that she can’t be racist because she’s black.

I think her name was Flower or something like that. God, I wish Piers Morgan would’ve just said “well, you’re a disgusting black man, and you look like Wesley Snipes in a bad wig”

I think bottom line is everyone would be happier if Trans separated themselves from the LGB acronym and started their own movement. While it may not be the majority, it's obvious many gays and lesbians do not want them to be a part of their identity as a group.

Trans could then be as in your face as they wanted, put Dylan Mulvaney on a flag if they want, change the laws and more power to them if they can get it done. And there would be no infighting about Trans being normal or not from the same group seeking their support.

It's a cleaner definition as well, LGB is sexual orientation, Trans is a gender difference.

R208 I think it is the majority actually.

The ruling desperately tried to skip around the fact that the law singles out a specific group of people to not be allowed to access therapy.

Everyone else can use it, just not them

[Quote] Trans people and their issues have nothing to do with homosexual men.

Do Italians and Swedish have the same problems? No, but categorizing them under white gives them all alt of political power

Dressed up like a anime outrage

Trying hard to look like Elliot Page (he's center stage!)

Come, let's mix where mixed-up trannies

Walk with packers stuffed up their fannies:

Cuttin’ off the tits!

Still no Janet Mock updates or sightings since that person's spectacular public meltdown at the POSE event?

[quote]Still no Janet Mock updates or sightings since that person's spectacular public meltdown at the POSE event?

Well, Janet's meltdown included torching Ryan Murphy AND complaining her $40,000 a week — a WEEK — salary didn't adequately compensate her true worth, so I don't imagine Hollywood was rushing to work with her.

Some of these gays like to be too lazy to think, SMH.

r214, r215

[quote] And it’s basically a fact that some 90% of cisgender heterosexuals

There’s no such thing as “cisgender”.

R211, trans piggybacked off gay rights and began gaslighting the public into believing that gays have rights thanks to them. Even that moron that write the history of gays book admitted that he lied about the chapter on Stonewall because it’s further greater good for trannies. The tranny movement was spearheaded by Republican trannies.

[quote]There’s no such thing as “cisgender”.

“Cisgender”...brought to us by the same people who gave us "Latinx".

R121 Bwahahahahahahahaha!

R212 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

R218 You owe your rights to ME!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where is a gift link to the article please?

[quote]The ruling desperately tried to skip around the fact that the law singles out a specific group of people to not be allowed to access therapy.

Yes, and that group of people is CHILDREN.

There is no desperation to skip around anything. Children are denied a whole range of things, including drug treatments, because of their status as children.

You're grasping at straws.

[quote] After Biden took office in January 2021, the administration started enforcing trans/nonbinary ideology, altering the language and pretty much every aspect of society for just a minuscule population, and those who objected were cancelled/ostracized. That wasn't going to end well.

Yep. I’m pretty sure he has some queer/gender non-conforming grandkids, which would have swayed him.

[quote]Do Italians and Swedish have the same problems? No, but categorizing them under white gives them all alt of political power

Really? Let me know where on the Italian flag they changed the colors to reflect that of the Swedes. Or where I can find little Sweden in major cities all over the US.

Zzzzzz British frau R217, you can repeat that as many times as you autistically want, it won’t change the fact that you are wrong and that what you said is just as stupid as saying that there are no heterosexuals.

———-

And the MAGA gays keep repeating the bullcrap that there’s no correlation between gay and trans, but they fail to explain why the oppression that gays and transgenders suffer are extremely similar and why they are subjected to the same violence.

R226 both Italians and Swedish are EUROPEANS.

[quote]Where is a gift link to the article please?

Here's the one OP posted.

Just gonna leave this here.

Thanks, did not see a link in the OP.

Very different topic, R230. As you likely well know.

R232 I disagree.

[quote]both Italians and Swedish are EUROPEANS.

They are both human beings too, omg, so much in common. Why I can't tell one for the other, Almost as if they speak different languages. 🤡

The "there's no such thing as a male body; a penis is not a male body part. It’s just an unusual body part for a woman" argument is jaw-dropping in its kookiness. It's so far out of the mainstream, so abysmal. How does that hold up to scrutiny in any court of law, let alone before what are supposed to be the "finest legal minds in the nation"? Were there no external legal advisors around to rein in Strangio and the ACLU a little and make sure their case wasn't doomed from the outset? People outside their hyper-liberal bubble?

I follow Chase Strangio a bit, and I read their "No such thing as a male body" opinion piece, published in Salon or Slate years ago. It may be stimulating and provocative from a philosophical standpoint, but keep that stuff out of the courtroom if you want to win your case! But no, Strangio proudly laid it all out there.

I always thought the "no such thing as a male body" idea was such an insult to men, to everyday male lives. The world was BUILT by male bodies. Hundreds of millions of young men were targeted for their bodies and conscripted, with countless men losing their lives in battle or becoming disabled for the rest of their lives. Black males were forced into slavery for their bodies: for their strength and endurance, for their capacity to "breed" as "studs." Working-class men with little or no formal education often only have their bodies to offer when it comes to making a living, and sometimes end up physically destroyed by age 50 from their hard labor. Then along comes this middle-class attorney to set us all straight. They thought that kind of argumentation was going to carry the day?

I feel bad for genuine trans people, many of whom look(ed) up to Strangio and regard(ed) them as some kind of hero. They really do have some of the worst public representatives.

gynecomastia surgery is liposuction. Not the same thing R230.

[quote]MAGA gays keep repeating the bullcrap that there’s no correlation between gay and trans

There are no MAGA gays except in your head. GAYs who are not onboard with Trans taking over their movement dose not make them MAGA. Grow up and stop trying to STEREOTYPE gays who don't agree with you trans narrative. Aren't you doing the same thing you are whining about?

"Trans women are women" ended up completely backfiring in the United Kingdom. If something has to be repeated thousands upon thousands of times and still doesn't 'take', maybe it's time to come up with something new.

If Stonewall and other rights organizations in the UK had simply told the public: "There are a small number of people in any society for whom it *only* feels natural and right to present, and live, as the opposite sex. As a civilized society, we owe it to them to accommodate them and their needs as much as possible," they would likely have had more success with their campaign. Instead, they told people that trans women and natal women were exactly the same, and it became a social taboo to point out any perceived differences, including socialization. To prevent some people from feeling excluded, they also denied how sexual attraction between people actually works. They essentially, inexplicably, did almost everything wrong and are now experiencing the consequences.

The NYTimes article threw the first brick at Stonewall!

I think the dissolution of the LGBTQ community is upon us. The trannies just had their asses handed to them by the Supreme Court, and if the comments in the OPs linked article are any indication, the gays were ready to cut the cord about a decade ago. I suspect that over the next few years the trannies will continue to be attacked and the gays are gonna look the other way and say “I didn’t see anything.”

Even Plastic Surgeons are admitting "gender affirming care" is a scam...

Zero introspection, as usual, from prominent trans activist Erin Reed, who claims that, in publishing six "anti-trans" articles, the New York Times has "lost all claim to objectivity on transgender people." Reed also goes after fellow trans woman Sarah McBride, who (according to the NYT article) advocated for “creating more space in our tent for different views on trans rights, especially around issues like sports."

[bold] uh oh. Is Dylan Mulvaney on DL?....He posted this--------->>[/bold] "It's one of those nights when I realize that all the assholes calling trans people monsters is legit crazy because we are the FUNNEST stupidest smartest hottest people in the world and some of us can suck sometimes but but most of us are really lovely and if we make it thru the next couple of years hopefully everyone else will see that too."........................................

[bold] SPOILER ALERT!! [/bold]....WE are assholes for now worshiping THEMz!! What a lovely human being this MAN is. BTW, not a word about the Supreme Court ruling? Probably doesn't even know what it was.

The WWs are interesting in this thread. I'm unsure what contributions transpeople have ever made to gay civil activism to make it necessary for us to lay down in the bonfire for them. Could you educate me? And no myths about Stonewall I know better.

To me homo is sexuality and trans is gender, those aren't similar things and too many people turn off the critical thinking in their brains when they hear the word trans. So what's the glue binding T to LGB?

R244 the “glue” holding the LGB and the T together is woke terror. Fear of being cancelled. But that glue is weakening as the gays are caring less and less about being cancelled.