Two Minnesota state Democratic senators shot in their homes by man impersonating cop

The one on the right reminds me of J. Edgar Hoover.

Waiting with bated breath for Trump, Bondi, Patel, et al. to denounce this crime.

Isn't today the day of Trump's parade? I wouldn't expect any acknowledgment much less a denunciation and much less on parade day.

That's really fucked up. They courted these armed nutcases and are riling them up. Thanks a pantload Trumpers.

Someone on another thread last week asked how long it would be before someone was shot or killed amidst all this bullshit.

Looks like I was pretty close in my prediction.

2 Democrats is exactly enough to give the Republicans a majority in the state senate, according to reddit commenters.

Waiting for Trump to send the National Guard to Minnesota.

Oh, wait. It was Democrats who were shot.

Never mind.

They're killing Democrats now.

Any of you bitches want to take theopportunity to compare this against the evils of burning some cars?

This is another example of Trump dictatorship. Threatening lawmakers with death.

They’re dead.

We are doomed. Again.

Dictator Trump will pardon the shooter.

If Trump had a soul, he'd cancel his birthday party today.

This gives Republicans a temporary one vote advantage in the Minnesota House. And if you think they won’t take advantage of it, they tried to do exactly that while delaying the outcome of a race in the last election.

If only he could, R14. This homicide is a state offense.

R17 Since when do laws apply to the Trump administration?

Fucking horrifying

Republicans are done with democracy. They want one party rule and to subdue or kill anyone standing in their way.

R15-Trump-a soul? Never.

They are dead? The news isn’t reporting that.

[quote] Since when do laws apply to the Trump administration?

And how will that happen? How will he force the state to release the shooter, presuming that they catch the guy and put him in prison?

Murder carried out by Trump wink and nod. ‘’I didn’t tell the guy to murder anyone”

Hartman and her husband are dead. No word on the dog.

Hoffman and his wife are out of surgery, and Walz says they are cautiously hopeful.

Hortman and her husband have been reported dead.

R22 Minnesota Rep. Melissa Hortman and her husband are dead.

All the officials at this press conference look completely freaked out.

Trump Fascist’s Attack American Democracy

R22, it is now. Hortman and her husband were killed.

Half of our countrymen are terrorists.

But Joe Biden is senile!

Fuck. This is awful.

Fox News has succeeded far beyond Roger Ailes imagination.

The shooter can hide all day is plane site in cop uniform at a No Kings protest.

Trump cops have full immunity so shoot with impunity.

The cop felt threatened by lawmakers.

The optimistic view is that it was just someone disguised as a police officer.

This is what happens when you have a fascist running the country….he emboldens violence to his deranged MAGA cult to commit political violence and murder.

The officer was defending himself against Democratic criminals.

Walz will be arrested or shot or shot while being arrested. Just wait-Gavin too!

There won’t be so much as a peep out of any Republican against this.

It’s over. I’m starting to pack.

R41 Oh, they'll peep, all right. They'll blame it on the Democrats. Just wait and see.

It’s so true. This week alone has probably convinced many Americans that it’s time to leave.

R221 Hence the use of the word "if."

We al knew these kind of actions from the MAGA cult was coming.

Yes but the speed at which they are coming exceeded my own incredible paranoia.

Shooter wanted to put damper on No Kings. Will it work?

Also - this will embolden other MAGA cult assassins to target other Democratic politicians in other states and possibly any Republicans who get out of line.

I think it was quite literally political. Minnesota Democrats have a one-point advantage in the Senate and a tie in the House. Also, Hortman was the Speaker until this session. These targets don’t seem random.

R48 No. It'll strengthen the numbers.

But it WILL put a damper on Trump's birthday party today.

It’s frightening and terrorizing for us but this tragic event is gleefully enjoyed by MAGA Fascists-Theyre efforts are finally being rewarded. It feels to me as if Ebola was surging through society and there’s nothing we can do.

I bet the shooter was a transgender illegal alien!

Look on the bright side, at least the shooter didn't burn a Tesla!

[quote] Looks like I was pretty close in my prediction.

Yes, this is all about you, Cassandra.

Republicans in this country are evil and have been at war with this country for decades. That they are willing tools of Vladimir Putin doesn't bother them. Evil, evil, evil. Genocidal maniacs. Now are you waking up to the true condition of the country?

R17 It’s coming. Trump will go ahead and “pardon” some state offense at some point, and then the Supremes will twist themselves into never before seen knots to find some nonsensical precedence to permit it.

Same game plan about to be played out before our eyes on birthright citizenship.

Wait for it, as the kids say.

I blame Biden!

R58 You post that in jest, but that's exactly what he and the rest of the MAGA cult will say.

I blame joebidennnn69!

It's hardly the first time. Gabby Giffords for example.

MAGA twitter is already blaming “a liberal” because one of those Dems voted with the GOP for one bill

Thisnis apparently liberal revenge

FBI will not put much energy into man hunt. The shooter was probably hired by FBI as these murders benefit Trump Congress.

This is really bad. A politically targeted assignation to affect a legislature. The c center is beginning to unravel for real.

These murders don’t help Congress since they affect a state legislature. Aren’t there enough conspiracy assholes on the right. Do we need more on the left?

North Minneapolis No Kings protest has been canceled. Trump's thugs are winning.

FBI: No hurry to find shooter.

R65, it absolutely affects the state legislature, which has both a House (even) and Senate (+1 Democrats). It’s hardly a conspiracy theory.

Press conference with details.

Kash Patel is still at the nightclub, but he'll get on the case as soon as the molly weats off.

R66 No, they're not. There are thousands of demonstrations going on throughout the country *and* globally today.

Trump is losing, especially today, since this will take his little birthday parade right off the headlines.

R68, that's what R65 said. He was correcting R63, who was spinning a conspiracy theory that it would benefit the Trump congress.

WTF? This is so dire, Franz Ferdinand dire and 20 bucks says it was an actual cop

Apparently flyers for the big No Kings protest were found in the suspects car along with a manifesto and hit list. Gov. Walz was set to speak at the event today. They are now asking the organizers to not hold the event which seems difficult as it’s supposed to start like, now. Shelter in place orders still in effect for Brooklyn Park.

[quote] MAGA twitter is already blaming “a liberal” because one of those Dems voted with the GOP for one bill

The shooter had a target list that included many lawmakers. We’ll need to see the list to better understand the connection.

[quote] North Minneapolis No Kings protest has been canceled. Trump's thugs are winning.

R66, they're not. The vast majority of people will see how his rhetoric has led to senseless, politically motivated assassination. We're just into the first year of his four year term of office, and it will get rougher and more vile. But they will not win the hearts and minds of decent people.

Two people are dead, but neither murder nor rain will spoil Trump's "perade!"

Jesus Fucking Christ. I still can't believe this moron is president.

R75 your 1 testical matches your1 brain cell

News anchors and guests know what’s really going happened but are too scared to even suggest the shooter is a Trump Thug.

R75 Susan Collins (R)

This is shocking but not surprising. The MAGA cult doesn't care about democracy or the Constitution. And they don't really care about the price of eggs or the price of gas. In the end, it comes down to this: They hate liberals (and just about anyone who isn't white, straight, U.S.-born, Christian, and Republican), and they want to kill us. The vast majority of them will never act on that impulse, but they also won't shed a tear when something like this happens. Because it's what they want. They want us dead.

Not sure if they’ve lifted the paywall on this article. It’s the local Saint Paul paper.

Say, where are all the Luigi stans this morning?

Like school shootings this has become rather routine

U.S. Senator Tina Smith said on Minnesota Public Radio that her name was on the list.

They tried to assassinate me too!

R82 And this has to do with Luigi how?

Has Kyle Gas commented

R81 Of course and thanks. I knew Trump would win even before he ran this second time. So much hate for democracy in this country. That there was such an enormous audience for Fox News all these years was all I needed to know what type of people live in this country.

What? A stage play about Luigi opened in S.F. What?

Walz posted on BlueSky:

Out of an abundance of caution my Department of Public Safety is recommending that people do not attend any political rallies today in Minnesota until the suspect is apprehended.

FWIW, this will almost certainly overshadow Il Douche's parade.

Yes. MAGA’S want us dead. We are a threat to their Trump Fascism.

The police pulled up just as the suspect was coming out of the house. Then he fired at them, ran back into the house, and escaped???

'I'd rather let a thousand guilty white guys go free than chase after 'em"

Sounds like these cops are as good as those cops in Uvalde, Texas.

Why should we pursue him? He might shoot us!

R93 They saw the husband on the ground as they entered and pulled him to safety. In other words, they tended to those who were harmed first. As they should.

Whatever R95. Still seems like at least one cop could have covered the back of the house.

I'm a sports fan, and for years have been a non-posting member on a mostly-sports message board. Unfortunately since the early Obama years the tone on the board has shifted dramatically, and now I rarely visit it except during storm season (several members are amateur meteorologist and give good info on extreme weather events).

Here's a snippet of the prevailing view on the assassinations!

R22, 4 politicians who are democrats were shot. 2 died, two are out of surgery, but in grave condition & their life expectancy is touch and go at this time.

Surely it has already been pointed out that the assassin wore a police uniform/gear, while driving a police car that was parked in the driveway of one of his victims’ home. The actual police who responded to this home were ambushed by the gunman, as they approached the door he was exiting, & they were shot at as well.

Where did this man get this police car? Was it altered to match the local police department cars to a “T”, or was it an actual police car?

This is absolutely horrific, & this is why what ICE is currently doing as their arrest protocols is also terrifying, as pretty much any one or any group of people who are not ICE or FBI officers, can roll up & pretty much kidnap adults and/or kids off the streets.

My sincere condolences to all who love the couple who have passed away. I sincerely hope the other two survive.

This is just so fucking devastating. Whether we knew these folk or didn’t, THIS is what it’s come down to: executing elected democrats just because they do their jobs.

This is a very, very dark day. 😔

[quote] Unfortunately since the early Obama years the tone on the board has shifted dramatically,

Obama's run for president in 2008 and the Obama years were really when things went off the rails. Yes, racism and bigotry have been part of the Republican Party for decades, but the reality of a black president is what really set them off and brought a lot of the formerly quiet fringe elements of the GOP to the center stage. Sarah Palin may be a loser who won't even get a footnote in the story of U.S. political history, but she (and others like her) stirred up a lot of the gun-loving crazies and made them feel emboldened, which helped pave the way for Trump and the MAGA cult years later.

Latest poll not good news for Donnie:

Twitter says it’s Vance Luther Boelter? Who is he?

He's no Luigi!

Post says he was a former Walz appointee, but guessing he flipped red like Tulsi, RFKJR, etc.

Scary looking dude.

Boelter, 57, was appointed by Walz in 2019 to serve a four year stint on the Governor’s Workforce Development Board, documents show.

He previously served on the Governor’s Workforce Development Council in 2016 under then -Gov. Mark Dayton.

That guy is scary? He looks like 120 loafs of white bread, smooshed together and shoved in a grown up's suit.

So, a man dressed as a cop, carrying a badge, and driving a marked police vehicle killed a Democratic law maker and her husband, and shot another and his wife... and when the police arrived, he opened fire, retreated into the house and out the back door, escaping. OK then.

Most basic level: How do we [italic]just know[/italic] that the gunman is white?

Beyond that, how do we know he's not "a real" cop?

Frankly, how do we know the entire police department isn't in on this crime?

Here's my prediction: we'll never find this guy, and anyone who they do "find" will be conveniently "disgruntled" and/or "under prior investigation" with a "mental disorder."

And like magic after posting my comment/screen refresh, pictures of Office White Bread pop up. Color me shocked.

[quote] Post says he was a former Walz appointee, but guessing he flipped red like Tulsi, RFKJR, etc.

The "No Kings" fliers would seem to belie that.

R106, the pictures were before yours - not after.

R103 The 21st century version of Dan White.

Yes r108, because the person who lied to get into the homes of people he assassinated would absolutely never have “no kings” flyers in his car for a dishonest purpose.

Looks, R106, like the pictures were posted 6 minutes before you posted.

You've got to move FAST if you want to keep up with the speed of DL!

Occam's razor, R111.

[quote]He's no Luigi!

Well, they both killed people, so there's that.

DL Fave Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey (and Jon Ossoff look-alike) back in the news!

The NY Post id's the suspect before the Star-Tribune does (I'm following the local paper's live updates).

We need to revisit the reconstruction and finally put the confederacy in the trash.

A Walz appointee was the shooter? Interesting. No reason to blame the governor.

R117 therefore he will be interpreted as “radical left” no matter what

R97 I lived in Louisiana years back and went to some LSU games. I used to read threads on Tiger Droppings, but never posted. I stopped reading over there a few years ago once they shifted to the far left.

It sure was not a spur of the moment anger outburst. This took some planning. Love or work? I think we have ruled out maga.

I don't understand the flyers. Wouldn't they be superfluous at the demonstration? Are they just a stupid "red herring" left as a prop by the perp?

[quote] Twitter says it’s Vance Luther Boelter? Who is he?

If that's true, this appears to be his LinkedIn profile.

Interestingly, he has a doctorate, and he posted this 6 years ago, before the 2020 election:

I normally don't post much but I just wanted to put a note out there to encourage everyone to vote in the election on Tuesday. I have been in several countries where people don't have the ability to vote for who their leaders are. I will just say they were not places that anyone of us would want to live in if we had any choice in the matter. So I am very big on just telling people to be a part of the process and vote your values and be part of this adventure we are all a part of living in the United States of America. For those of you that I'm connected with that are not in the United States, if you believe in prayer, please keep the United States in your prayers. I think the election is going to have more of an impact on the direction of our country than probably any election we have been apart of, or will be apart of for years to come. Thanks for listening and thanks in advance for getting out there and casting your vote.

Former employee. Lovers quarrel?

Here's a LinkedIn post about him from a year ago:

[quote] Vance Boelter, chairperson of the Dakota-Scott Workforce Development Board (WDB) recently announced that he'd be resigning from the board. Vance is a true workforce leader and "walked the walk." The board first met him when he received an award on behalf of Lettieris in 2012. What stood out is that he hired low-income individuals who were in the CareerForce programs helping them to ultimately become self sufficient.

[quote] Vance joined the WDB in 2013 and has been board chair for the past couple of years. His passion for workforce is also evident by his participation on the Governor's Workforce Development Board.

[quote] Vance - thanks for all that you've done on behalf of the WDB, job seekers and employers. Enjoy the next adventures!

[quote] I think we have ruled out maga.

Not so, says R111.

Maybe he had some unpleasant dealings with these two legislators.

[Quote] Occam's razor, [R111].

A concept you seem to profoundly misunderstand if you’re claiming a man who shot two democratic lawmakers is a democrat because he had some flyers in his car.

He left behind a manifesto which included a hit list of other democratic lawmakers, but … flyers I guess.

I agree with r111!

[quote] He's no Luigi!

Boelter? No chance of a big fat Italian dick either.

R116 - agreed. There were no winners in the US civil war - except slaves and even their freedom was a joke for the next 100 years. We've been in a cultural cold war with the South for 170 years.

Let them go. I'm tired of their backwards bullshit and their egos.

[Quote] I think we have ruled out maga.

Posting from bizarro world

Defacto not going to let go of his blue on blue gaslighting. It’s all he’s got left!

(And it IS the weekend, after all.)

We know a few things. He is a long time democrat appointed by Gov Walz. We know he may have been involved with No Kings or not. And we know he is a serious man .

That takes a lot of hate for a sane person who is in control to do. That was cold blooded.

Do we know who the dems were——moderates?

Twitter says one of the Democrats had voted with Republicans on some bill that people got fired up about.

[quote] A concept you seem to profoundly misunderstand if you’re claiming a man who shot two democratic lawmakers is a democrat because he had some flyers in his car.

Well, we know he is - or was - a democrat by virtue of his appointed history under two Democratic governors. UNLESS the governor is required to appoint a bipartisan representation for these positions. That is true of the international trade court that ruled against Trump. The one Trump judge on that panel was appointed on that basis.

He resigned from the Workforce Development Board a year ago. His LinkedIn profile says he's #OpenToWork. Maybe he snapped or was having trouble finding work or turned MAGA over the past year. His profile isn't your standard "crazy shooter" profile. Something about him must have changed.

How do we know he’s a Democrat? The current board has at least one Republican state representative as well as the state senator who he shot.

Do you know how many former democrats are MAGA now, r135?

Twitter says one of those shot had previously voted with the gop on something. If true he may have targeted them because they were not progressive enough. It’s a sound way to get on top of things.

Also, here is a professional profile I haven’t seen on news sites.

It's possible that this may involve other people, which is why he has not yet been caught.

He looks like he is related to one of the villains in Superman 2 in r140’s pic

And yet, no one has shown up at Kristi Noem’s house.

[quote] Do you know how many former democrats are MAGA now

Of course I do, R138. And I get plenty of blowback here for my repeated references to the Great Realignment, which has seen a definite migration among the parties by both former republicans & democrats. I just don't know of any MAGAts who would be carrying around "No Kings" flyers. And with his high profilish background - assuming he was not a required republican appointment - what would be the point of having these flyers with him?

R108, the “No Kings” flyers were found in the car of the husband of one of the victims, not inside the real or fake cop car.

Also, there’s a chance the killer was always a man who was targeted & expertly groomed as a political plant, or was paid a large amount of money to carry out these assassinations. Persons heavily in debt and/or under some sort of duress, due to extortion/blackmail, can be easily flipped under the right circumstances.

Her last three races were against the same Republican each time. She beat him by almost the same margin each time too. I guess her seat was considered so safe the Republicans didn't even bother to try to get someone else to run despite the repeated trouncing. LOL.

R140's profile link is from the group Minnesota Africans United.

This is how the group describes itself:

[quote] Minnesota Africans United (MAU) is a coalition and statewide organization for all African immigrant communities in Minnesota. MAU supports Minnesota’s African Immigrant community with representation from 55 African countries. We act as a connection for the network of African immigrants in Minnesota and for local African immigrant community organizations, and small businesses.

Working on behalf of African immigrants is not exactly the standard profile of a MAGA lunatic, which makes this very odd, though he could have recently become a MAGAt. He apparently had a manifesto. Hopefully, more about him will be revealed over the next few days.

[quote] Twitter says one of those shot had previously voted with the gop on something. If true he may have targeted them because they were not progressive enough. It’s a sound way to get on top of things.

I wouldn't be surprised if this was the motive.

I live in Western Michigan part of the year and I follow the Grand Rapids sub on reddit. There are progressive posters on there who nasty attitudes towards Democratic Congresswoman Hillary Scholten because she works across the aisle and has voted on bills with GOP. In other Michigan related subs, other moderate Dems like Haley Stevens, Debbie Dingell, and Elissa Slotkin are constantly crapped on by progressives.

It's bugs me how many progressives get away with nastiness towards moderate or liberal Democrats. Progressives can be just as nasty as MAGA Republicans.

Let the spin begin. Somehow, it will be Biden’s fault.

I don't trust any NY Post article - so them posting that No Kings flyers were found in his car is sus. They always throw in things to make it sound like whatever bad player was a Dem.

And he probably was a Dem - but the flyer pic from NY Post is too convenient - particularly for today with all the protests planned.

R148 trying to blame progressives when he was a Christian nationalist

Supported anti-gay groups like the "Alliance Defending Freedom"

[quote] Progressives can be just as nasty as MAGA Republicans.

As one who used to practice in the field of Democratic politics, I can attest to the fact that neither extreme has a monopoly on crazies.

Take a former Walz appointee. Maybe he leans left, but is also dealing with mental illness. That second part is something few factor into their theories when saying motives don't make sense. Many people talk tough, but those who actually go through with murder are often not all there. Anyway, so he knows these people. Maybe he's mad about Trump and thus no kings. Maybe he's mad about not being well and as successful as he'd like. He knows these people for various reasons. Maybe it's the fact that they voted with the Republicans a bit too much for his liking, sure, but maybe he blames them for something else. Something totally absurd. Maybe something personal even if it doesn't make rational sense. A lot of anger mixed with crazy. So he makes a list. And he's so crazy and guns are so easy to get that nothing stops him from point A to Point Z. And he does it today because of the overall political environment. Today, the day of the Trump parade and "No Kings" is the day to make his statement. That makes sense to him. Not to us.

He was appointed to a non-partisan board

He doesn't "lean left"

He was a Christian nationalist

Damn you Patty Lupone!

[quote] the “No Kings” flyers were found in the car of the husband of one of the victims, not inside the real or fake cop car.

Link, please. NBC News is also reporting the flyers were found in the gunman's car.

R149 He was not a Biden appointee. This is an Oh Shit day for Walz.

I realize how desperate people on DL are to find that the shooter is a maga. But so far what evidence we have, including helping black immigrants , points in the exact opposite direction.

The early betting might be that he was a progressive upset with moderate democrats. A more deadly FF.

Time and evidence will tell

But but I was groomed and brutalized by Julliard. Listen to ME!

R157, you seem desperate to believe that someone appointed to a non-political board was a liberal in spite of him actually being a Christian nationalist

“ This is an Oh Shit day for Walz.”

Why? He didn’t do anything. Literally. He’s never done anything. He exists and takes up space. But he does absolutely nothing

His hit list contains pro choice politicians.

Ilhan Omar was on his hit list which spits in the face of those claiming he was a progressive upset with moderates

He is an anti-gay, anti-choice Bible banger

Do we know if these board appointees are designated by party? And if so, if the governor is required to balance the partisan representation?

He owned a security company in Africa? What? The whole African organization could just be a cover for some shady stuff over there.

It sounds really weird and convenient - it may not be the giving and altruistic gesture it looks like.

They’re already crowing on the right.. “another violent leftist wack job”. He does seem to have targeted Dems and been involved in MN Dem politics.

Really sad no matter what, and even sadder if this is the case.

He worked for a security service and has worked overseas. Just because he worked with an immigrant group doesn’t prove anything. I know MAGA CBP types who happily helped house unaccompanied minors during the Biden administration. They are now happily helping with detention and deportation.

[quote] Do we know if these board appointees are designated by party? And if so, if the governor is required to balance the partisan representation?

It's probably a requirement to insure some fairness on both sides.

^^^ I meant to type ensure

If he was a Christian nationalist, he was in the Congo converting them to Christianity.

R155. Turn in your Gay Card. It’s PATTI.

Seriously, these assassinations are fucking scary and depressing. They’d better catch him.

Once again - anti gay, anti choice and White Christian Nationalist is not some far left loon. His hit list was all Dem politicians from Omar left to Walz

R159 I usually just wait to find out after investigations. I was only commenting on what the first few tib bits sounded like. Especially with at least one of those shot appears to be a more moderate dem.

I have no insight I have absolutely no idea why he killed those people just as no one else on DL knows. We provide guesses and hopes and fears instead of actual insight.

What was the point of the policeman cosplay? If he was some Dem politico and they knew him, why would he need to be in costume?

R108 Yo, genius, he had the fliers in his car because he likely planned to go to the No Kings rally to fire some more bullets.

He was a registered Republican

Not sure what the No Kings Day flyer have to do with this? Was he going to hop off to a protest after killing these people? He was likely trying to infiltrate a protest so he could kill people

R173 Maybe, he dressed as cop in case the spouses or kids were the ones who answered the door. I don't know.

[Quote] He was a registered Republican

If that’s true, it’s over

R173 No one said they knew this guy.

He dressed as a cop because that's the easiest way to get someone to open their door to a stranger in the wee hours of the morning.

R176 Yes, they think he planned on going to the protest to carry out more shootings. That's why Walz cancelled the rally.

The word is "fliers."

Thank you.

One earlier poster is now quiet.

R160 not being responsible and not being asked constantly, while on the 2028 campaign trail, the why you appointed a violent killer to an import state position question.

I have generally felt that it’s in the interest of any pol not to make appointments to people who go on to commit murder. But then I am old.

From a comprehensive point of view? Persons from all stripes & walks of life who also have mental health issues, are under lots of duress recently, because so much of the world is either pot of boiling water, waiting to, or already bubbling over, to just being on fire, literally.

It’s rough. It’s also profoundly untenable for others.

I personally have been stressed & very fucked up over it all, but I have trained myself to allow the fear & hopelessness of it all in the last few weeks by waking up everyday & reminding myself that this too, shall pass, & we STILL are a democracy, & in my heart of hearts, I believe we will remain one.

Some people with depression & anxiety will make different choices, while under the belief that we are all now doomed forever, & there’s no coming back from this. Depending on some very intricate variables? Some will choose homicide and/or suicide.

Hanging on to life can be such a delicate thread, however, it truly does come down to whether one has the will & spirit to fight back & conquer one’s own demons, or one does not, & then scenarios like this one play out.

There are many people who suit up & show up to work, church, etc., who put on a smile, & a well put together front, when in their own reality, they’re homicidal and/or suicidal. Normally, vulnerable persons push through & keep going, but if they’re placed in dire, & unusual circumstances? They can easily snap.

Pay close attention to those who you work with, play sports with, attend your kids’ events with, go to church with, etc.

Someone you think you know very well could be right on the edge, right now, & you may have missed the cues. It’s absolutely normal & expected to miss the vital cues that someone you know can be in deep trouble. That’s why you should engage people you are in contact with regularly, & learn about specific anomalies/patterns that might reveal something that is much deeper than what you think you already know.

A week ago, I was in a REALLY bad place mentally. I was engulfed in total despair. Then, my roommate did something very unkind towards me, & I was VERY quickly sinking into a horrible place.

I deliberately made a decision to monitor myself & engage in self talk, where I acknowledged to myself that my mental anguish would eventually pass, & all I needed to do was hang on, without engaging in self harm, & I’d be OK. I have some health issues happening right now that will be easily diagnosed with further diagnostic tests, & I will either fight all the way to attempt to overcome it, or I will be OK, with nothing to worry about. Either way, I realized I want a life well lived, including all of the struggles & good times that comes with it. I absolutely understand I’m still vulnerable, because I never felt this level of despair before, so I understand I’m not out of the woods and am taking steps to counteract those feelings.

Check up on your people. Check in on yourselves. Under tons of stress & short on time? Then fuck it, and grow the fuck up & make time for therapy in order to become a stronger, more well balanced person. Therapy is for the resilient & the strong. That’s how you climb out of your hole - by admitting you are overwhelmed & need some unbiased guidance & hope. It’s how you become more self aware, & learn how to mentally walk out of situations that can eventually come out of nowhere, & bury you, or those around you whom you love, either emotionally, or physically.

Also? If you’re under psychiatric care & are prescribed meds, or if you try to manage your emotions by regularly smoking weed? Genuinely seek to research & understand how any drug, medically prescribed or not, can actually duck you up, rather than help you.

[quote] He was a registered Republican

I would love that to be true.

He can’t pardon state offenses. I feel like we need weekly national civics classes.

This discussion so reminds me of the discussion here on 11/22/63.

R187 As I've said before, since when has the Trump administration paid any attention to the law?

It doesn't need to be given his other "qualities " r186

Source for that, r175?

What is the name of the hot bald cop?

But is it true, R190, or just a case of wishcasting?

[quote] The hit list found in the Minnesota suspect’s car contained nearly 70 names. A law enforcement official told CNN the names included abortion providers, pro-abortion rights advocates and lawmakers in Minnesota and other states.

I think it's safe to say the killer isn't exactly a liberal.

What "wishcasting"?

The ones who are "wishcasting" are the idiots trying to pretend he was a progressive despite the fact that he was targeting pro-choice pols and had abortion providers on his "hit list"

Imagine people actually doing something but posting on datalounge all day, r182

That's one possible explanation r196. But thete are others.

Since the guy fled on foot, my guess is that he's already offed himself and they'll find his body in the woods somewhere.

[quote] As I've said before, since when has the Trump administration paid any attention to the law?

If Trump were to assume pardon power over a Minnesota case, an injunction would be sought - & issued - to undo the pardon.

r196, the other poster has a point.

Statements are being made like, "He was a registered Republican". No one has posted a source for this despite this being something that is either true or false. Following right-wing Twitter accounts, which people can do for a variety of reasons, is not the same as the statement that he was a registered Republican.

If you make an actual statement of fact, you should be able to back it up.

I have no problem believing this guy was MAGAt. I have no problem believing this guy was a disgruntled left wing person. Both happen in today's environment.

I do have a problem with people posting statements of fact without sources.

Or he has an accomplice r198

Sorry, that was for r195, not r196.

R200 - the voter registration info is on the New York Post. The article below is actually from the Daily Beast which looks paywalled. Based on this, he's a far right Republican and a non-partisan appointee.

"2 Democrats is exactly enough to give the Republicans a majority in the state senate, according to reddit commenters."

True, but the legislative session is over and there would be a special election for a replacement in the case of Hoffman - and Republicans aren't very competitive in her district. And the Governor can still veto things.

R199 And then he'd appeal it to the Supreme Court, who would likely rule in Trump's favor.

We've seen this movie before.

^^ Sorry, I meant Hortman's district

r203, ok, linking to it would have been helpful, but I found the NY post you are referring to, which says he last registered to vote in 2004 as a Republican. Thanks for clearing that up.

If we get to the point where Trump is overruling state judicial systems where he has zero authority, we are done. Maybe he’d try that, but we are so far from that right now that the suggestion borders on delusion.

Dark fantasies about Trump’s omnipotence and evilness are the opposite of what we need. Go do something helpful instead.

The cuckoo bird MAGAts on "X" are already saying these were "false flag" killings set up and carried out by Democrats to make Trump look bad.

Cookies face to the left @ R203’s link.

Yes, or no?

Not bashing, just making an observation as we all do here, on a daily basis.

R208 You obviously haven't been paying much attention lately.

R200, why would you have no trouble believing he was a "left-wing" person when he was a Christian fundamentalist nut who targeted Democrats?

[quote] And then he'd appeal it to the Supreme Court, who would likely rule in Trump's favor.

There is absolutely not 5 votes - not even on this Court - for that to happen. Seriously.

Please read the fucking context of what I said, r212. I was making a point that in today's environment, I'd believe either COULD happen. Thus the importance of facts and sources. I was asking one person for their source. That has now been provided and I thanked that person. Now fuck off with your stupidity.

God ain’t giving anyone or you strength, R209.

Anyone who has or wants strength, must find strength within themselves in order to keep it moving.

I know it's been said and it's obvious, but the Repugs will use the "Walz appointee" angle to (1) deny any sort of responsibility - on Trump, Republicans, MAGA, conservatives, and (2) blame liberals.

[Quote] I have no problem believing this guy was a disgruntled left wing person.

Yes because leftwingers typically make hit lists of democrats and abortion providers.

R216 They're already doing it.

The Post. You have to scroll

And it will work out well for them, R218. We know that just because he was a Walz appointee that he could still be a MAGA/conservative/Republican. But it doesn't matter. So many people will run with that. Because of that one fact, this goes from possibly a moment of maybe just a glint of reckoning among SOME republicans and republicans voters -- "maybe this is getting out of control" to "we need to crack down harder."

Star-Tribune latest update confirms his "hit list" indicates he was targeting abortion rights pols.

A homicidal "pro-life" middle-aged white male is a recurring figure in the American Nightmare. Usually they target clinics and their workers. This is a new "twist."

r217, I explained that line already. It was about what situations I'd believe given the current political environment and I was asking one person for a source of very bit of relevant information that would influence my view on the matter. Additional information changes the views of people such as myself. Now that there is more information, reality is clearer and I can form my view. Imagine that. Facts before opinions. Try it sometime instead of rushing to conclusions.

And I'm not Matt, nor anyone else known by anything around here. I feel for people like you who think that everyone who talks to them is one or two people. Small minds, small minds, and never worth discussing anything with, so I'll refrain from responding to you from here on out.

Murdoch's NY Post is furiously spinning the narrative that the victims were hit because they voted with the GOP.

[quote] The 57-year-old, who has been identified as the suspected shooter according to numerous reports, runs an armed security service with his wife, and has been affiliated with at least one evangelical organization, a ministry he has also run with his wife, according to a tax filing reviewed by WIRED. (His wife could not be immediately reached for comment.) According to public records and archived websites reviewed by WIRED, the suspect served for a time as the president of Revoformation Ministries. A version of the ministry’s website captured in 2011 carries a biography in which he is said to have been ordained in 1993.

[quote] According to an archived website for the ministry reviewed by WIRED, the suspected shooter’s missionary work took him to Gaza and the West Bank during the Second Intifada, where, the website states, he “sought out militant Islamists in order to share the gospel and tell them that violence wasn't the answer.”

[quote] A Facebook profile under the suspected shooter’s name was briefly viewed by WIRED before it was taken down. His profile had shown him “liking” several evangelical missionary organizations, as well as pages honoring Reinhard Bonnke, a German pentecostal evangelist known for missions in several African countries, and Smith Wigglesworth, a British evangelist who was influential in the pentecostal movement. He also “liked” the Alliance Defending Freedom, a conservative legal advocacy organization known for its hardline stances against abortion and LGBTQ rights.

[quote] Yo, genius, he had the fliers in his car because he likely planned to go to the No Kings rally to fire some more bullets.

You know who wasn't a genius? This gunman who thought he could kill two legislators & their spouses & then, after that bit of news, be able to commit a hit on rallygoers.

Motive? Sounds personal to me

R224 An evangelical Christian.

Quel surprise.

Wow, what a "good" Christian! Coz his god clearly told him killing is good!!?

Religion is utter BS

[quote] You know who wasn't a genius? This gunman who thought he could kill two legislators & their spouses & then, after that bit of news, be able to commit a hit on rallygoers.

Well, he hasn't been captured yet, has he?

NY Post: victim was "_virulently_" pro-choice. "The suspect _may have been_ harboring pro-life views."

Note the wording.

Another radical far left liberal like McVeigh!

If they're gonna take attention away from my birthday how do we take away attention from their riots?

It sounds like he was an evangelical, anti-abortion nutcase who was working with Africans and African immigrants, under the guise of trying to educate them and improve their economic conditions, but was actually trying to convert them to Christianity. Maybe that's why he resigned from the Governor's Workforce Development Board a year ago (the LinikedIn post about this has since been taken down). Maybe he had a falling out with the board when they realized he was more interested in converting people than helping them find jobs.

The suspect, presumed to be Boelter, left behind a target list with more than 70 names, including top Minnesota Democrats like Gov. Tim Walz, Rep. Ilhan Omar, and abortion providers and advocates, according to CNN and ABC News.

Well R234 we could stand to lose Rep. Ilhan Omar.

You’re a fucking asshole, R235.

No statement from Trump? Or Noem?

Homicidal pro-lifer

R237, that is very revealing. They would have access to all law enforcement information.

[quote] According to an archived website for the ministry reviewed by WIRED, the suspected shooter’s missionary work took him to Gaza and the West Bank during the Second Intifada, where, the website states, he “sought out militant Islamists in order to share the gospel and tell them that violence wasn't the answer.”

This seems incongruent with his actions today.

R237, the New York Times reported Trump's statement hours ago. Take a look at their website, and you're likely to find it.

[quote] This seems incongruent with his actions today.

Not to Christian Nationalists.

Violence isn't the answer if you're wrong or a bad person or just pissed off.

But action by any means necessary is fine as long as you're doing the Lord's work

No it's not.

All it means is he knows the difference between right and wrong and chose wrong. A conflicted nut but not insane.

I was reminded of the crazies attracted to politics at a Stop the King rally I attended earlier. Prior to the rally, outside a library, I overheard in the library an elderly man talking on the phone about his plans to attend the rally. When he walked past me, I mentioned that I would also be in attendance.

He then proceeded to launch into an unprompted diatribe against David Hogg ("do you know him?"), first about his efforts to unseat older legislators & then for being so "dumb" for not calling the police on MTG (whose name he butchered) when she was harassing him on the street some years ago.

He then told me he wrote a blog, insisting that I write down the website. Which I dutifully did.

A few minutes passes & we see each other again in the library. He asks me what I thought of Biden. After telling him I voted for him & contributed to his campaigns, I calmly said that Newson's press conference the other day reminded me how Biden was never able to really use the bully pulpit. He brushed my concerns away, telling me Biden created 17 million jobs. And then mentioned what a horrible orator Thomas Jefferson was (& that he had a concubine). When, again in a measured tone, I pointed out what an important tool the ability to speak was for any president, he barked that I have "hard rock" views & he didn't want me reading his blog!

R245 sounds like a datalounger

The NYPost article posted upthread has probably been updated within the past hour. The suspect changed his voter registration to Republican in 2022 and the article strongly implies that his motivation for the crimes was his opposition to abortion.

White Christian Nationalist Pro-Lifers who Worship Trump: "Extremism in the defense of Unborn babies is no vice."

That's the justification these killers and their defenders provide.

Elon Musk is getting dragged online after he tried to blame the “far left” for the murder of a Democratic Minnesota lawmaker—a claim even his own AI chatbot debunked.

“The far left is murderously violent,” Musk wrote on X, reposting a user who claimed that multiple recent high-profile killings—including Saturday’s assassination of Democratic State Rep. Melissa Hortman and her husband—had been perpetrated by “the left.”

Users on social media mocked Musk’s post.

“One thing I agree with Trump on—is you’re insane. They had a target list of abortion clinics,” wrote Neera Tanden—a former top aide in the Biden administration—referring to President Donald Trump’s comment that Musk “just went CRAZY” during their recent spat.

Even Musk’s AI bot Grok, which is integrated into X, swiftly refuted its creator’s post.

“The claim that ‘the left’ is murderously violent isn’t backed by evidence,” Grok said. “No side is inherently violent; generalizations oversimplify a complex issue.”

[quote] In the last week, Marines were deployed in an American city, the president has called for a gov to be arrested &the speaker of the House has called for that gov to be tarred & feathered, a senator has been pinned & handcuffed, and 2 state legislators have been shot in their homes.

The Texas Department of Public Safety warned state lawmakers and legislative staffers Saturday of “credible threats” to legislators planning to attend an anti-Trump rally at the Capitol in Austin, hours after two Democratic Minnesota legislators and their spouses were shot earlier Saturday morning.

[quote]The suspect changed his voter registration to Republican in 2022 and the article strongly implies that his motivation for the crimes was his opposition to abortion.

My friend's late mother was a Democrat for many years and then went through a born again Christian conversion and became anti-choice. She was involved with Democrats for Life of America for several years and she tried to recruit members from churches in her town. She eventually became a Republican. She died in early 2020 of a heart attack, but in the few years prior to her death she was fell into QAnon and other bat crazy conspiracy crap. My friend had cut off contact with her a year before of the QAnon crap.

WTF? He was 57 and was living with two male "roommates"?

[quote] 5:35 p.m. - Vance Boelter texted roommates that he was “going to be gone for a while” and “may be dead shortly,” according to one of his housemates in North Minneapolis who read the message aloud to reporters. Boelter reached out to roommates David Carlson and Ron Ramsey.

[quote] “David and Ron, I love you guys. I made some choices, and you guys don’t know anything about this, but I’m going to be gone for a while. May be dead shortly, so I just want to let you know I love you guys both and I wish it hadn’t gone this way. I don’t want to say anything more and implicate you in any way because you guys don’t know anything about this. But I love you guys and I’m sorry for all the trouble this has caused.”

The article at R253 also says he has a wife and 5 children.

[quote] 4:58 p.m. - In a self-made, resume-style video posted to social media, Vance Boelter introduces himself and spells out his work in the funeral home industry, a food supply business projected in Africa, along with a benign snippet about his personal life.

[quote] He said he works six days a week, splitting his time with Wulf Funeral Home and Metro First Call.

[quote] “I mainly do removals at this point,” he said. “One contract is the Hennepin County Medical Examiner’s Office. We’re working with a lot of police officers and death investigators at the location where the decedent is found. It could be a crime scene or just a natural death. Our role is to just take that decedent from that place of death to the medical examiner’s office.”

[quote] He shared that he lives in the Green Isle area, and has a wife, five children and two German shepherds as pets.

[quote] “Fun fact about myself,” he continued, “I’ve been in the food industry for about 30 years, and that led to an opportunity. I was invited to the Democratic Republic of Congo in central Africa. … I was asked a couple years ago to go and see what I can do on ideas for their food supply system.”

[quote] However, he became dissatisfied with his employer and set off on his own with his wife to try to tackle the mission on their own to provide the country through farming and fishing projects. He said he turned to working with funeral homes “to help pay the bills. … The shift worked pretty good for my schedule and other things I was doing.”

You can NEVER trust ANYTHING from the New York Post. How many times does this have to be said?

If he is apprehended alive, it will be interesting to see what Trump's Justice Department will do in response. Trump, Bondi, and the rest of the regime would probably prefer that he be dead, a martyr-hero, and spare them the actual job of prosecuting him.

[quote] Trump, Bondi, and the rest of the regime would probably prefer that he be dead, a martyr-hero, and spare them the actual job of prosecuting him.

Although - at least after 11/22/63 - killing a president is a federal crime, the assassination of state elected officials is a state crime; the DOJ would have no prosecutorial role.

You can be damn sure, however, that if the victims were Republicans Bondi and Trump would be pulling jurisdiction out of thin air to prosecute.

if the victims were Republicans we would be under martial law

All over social media, Republicans are (predictably) attempting to shift the blame to Walz.

Wired reports:

Vance Boelter allegedly shot and killed Melissa Hortman, a Democratic Minnesota state representative, and her husband Mark Hortman at their home at some point early Saturday morning while, according to law enforcement

Law enforcement has said they found a manifesto and hit list in the alleged suspect’s car, which included politicians, abortion providers, and pro-abortion rights advocates. There were also allegedly fliers in his car for the “No Kings” protest against President Donald Trump, which took place in cities across the US on Saturday.

The 57-year-old runs an armed security service with his wife, and has been affiliated with at least one evangelical organization, a ministry he has also run with his wife, according to a tax filing reviewed by WIRED. According to public records and archived websites reviewed by WIRED, the suspect served for a time as the president of Revoformation Ministries. A version of the ministry’s website captured in 2011 carries a biography in which he is said to have been ordained in 1993.

[bold] Has WALZ called the attacker a weirdo yet? [/bold].....

Walz tried to reach across the aisle and got his hand bit

Voted for Trump. Big disappointment for anyone trying to blame progressives!

^OMGGGGGGGGGGGG that is truly shocking!!!!!!!

R260, they've been doing this on this very thread. Apparently, Walz should have foreseen that this guy would turn into a murderer.

kkkreeps and weirdos. skkkums

Has Gus Walz or the big mouth daughter commented yet?

Police chief Bruley

R264 = Fuck your Brian Tyler Cohen link. If I wanted a midgets opinion I would call the Lollipop Guild. BTC can go back to his closet.

[bold] Brian Tyler Cohen posted this days after Biden imploded against Trump in the debate----->>>[/bold] "Biden blows the roof off rally stage with STUNNING display"..........BTC tweets like a fat college chick with no friends. No credibility. I don't care how many followers he has.

R254

He has a wife, five children, and two German Shepherds but also has roommates? And his note was only to his roommates?

Apparently the roommate situation is only a couple of days a week (month?) because of his work commute.

What it says to me is that he is at LEAST separated from the wife, R273.

But what I want to know is how he single-handedly manufactured a "police vehicle" without the roommates even noticing?

The wife is lucky that he didn't shoot her first.

Maybe he rented a storage unit and modified the police car there, or maybe the wife is an accomplice and it was stored at their house.

It’s pretty easy to buy an ex-police cruiser for cheap. Then it’s just a matter of discreetly adding the lights and such. He drove it in the middle of the night when it probably wouldn’t arouse suspicion.

He's still at large r276.

R277 some homicidal maniac did exactly that in eastern Canada a few years ago.

Paging Jessica Fletcher!

Apparently the Brian Tyler Cohen hater troll is a new DL character.

The assassin's life is like so many MAGAts: professional lives unfocused, or in turmoil and failing. And personal lives just as chaotic.

[quote] Apparently the Brian Tyler Cohen hater troll is a new DL character.

If what he purports to be Cohen's spin on the debate is true, he's right that the man has no credibility. I gave up on Simon Rosenberg when I realized he was just blowing smoke up my ass.

One of RCP's headlines about the shootings states, "Rep. Hortman Was Lone Democrat to Vote to Repeal Benefits for Illegals." So clearly the spin on the right is that this was informed by far left politics.

Dancing Jesus freak

No self-respecting Trump man would dance for an audience of Niggras, R285.

Shooting suspect's roommate says he was a Trump voter

[Quote] The roommate confirms he was a Trump supporter, says that no one would believe he did this.

Oops Defacto, so another source has confirmed — so much for your attacking the Brian Taylor Cohen link because “he said a nice thing about Biden once!!!!!!”

Egg on your face … as usual, but you’ll drop that and immediately turn to some other bullshit gaslighting like the MAGA bot you are.

Egg on your

[Quote] It was about what situations I'd believe given the current political environment

When you find yourself in a hole, don’t try to dig your way out, Matt.

Two democrats are shot and you say you have no problem believing it was a leftwinger. Do us a favor.

Yesterday I didn't think Walz could be more humiliating to Dems. And here he is today, showing off more bad judgement. Can we please move past the sissification of the democratic men? Seriously? Walz, Booker, Kaine, etc. What do they contribute?

Real men pardon terrorists

Real men wear diapers.

WTF is a Progressive anyway? Democrat-lite?

r289, nope, still not Matt. Enjoy your delusional trolling. You are a total nutjob. And again, the context of what I said made my meaning very clear and different from what your little snippet of it suggests. This will be the last time I respond to you regardless of what you say. I never put people on ignore, but now's the time. I will continue commenting on this and everything else. But you are no longer my concern. Ciao.

[quote] WTF is a Progressive anyway? Democrat-lite?

An antisemitic communist.

Bye Matt! But of course, see you on one of your four other sockpuppets you’re running currently (the reason why both of your posts responding to me have 4 WWs).

Hypocrite Trump Republican Fascists Christian Nationalist’s are ok with this. They will say he was saving the lives of unborn children. Anything that harms Dems is OK with those hypocrites.

R290, what's so humiliating about him? Would you prefer him to slather his face in orange pancake makeup?

Laura Linney as Melissa Hortman? Yeah, probably.

Too soon?

"... gunfire was exchanged and the suspect was able to escape and flee on foot, authorities said"

Huh. You can't find a hulking man in a fake cop uniform, scurrying through a posh suburban neighborhood of manicured lawns?

It's the same problem as it was with Delphi Bridge Guy, R301; white straight men are so uniformly bland that we can't even hunt them down after they kill. "Navy blue hoodie and jeans"? Yeah, good luck with that.

"And his note was only to his roommates?"

The 'roommate' crying at #274 is pinging to high heaven as a bear bottom.

She’s dead.

This man is absolutely terrifying. Look at the creep halloween mask he was wearing when he knocked on the victim's doors. He looks like a bald Michael Myers. This is level 10 crazy. Minnesota is under seige until this psychopath is caught.

Tell Brendan Ickson there's a bed available with 2 men.

Brendad" I'm moving to Menisota!

So now he's Vance? Why was he Luther before? To keep the VP safe from other crazed MAGATs?

I wonder what he said to get them to open their door. Even with the flashing lights on his vehicle, I imagine he used some kind of ruse to gain access inside.

It's amazing how blase everyone is being about this.

[quote] It’s pretty easy to buy an ex-police cruiser for cheap. Then it’s just a matter of discreetly adding the lights and such. He drove it in the middle of the night when it probably wouldn’t arouse suspicion

Yup, it's cheap. My uncle bought several former police cars at auctions. One of them was an ugly Ford Crown Victoria which he gave to his granddaughter.

[quote] It’s pretty easy to buy an ex-police cruiser for cheap. Then it’s just a matter of discreetly adding the lights and such. He drove it in the middle of the night when it probably wouldn’t arouse suspicion

From the article at the link:

Boelter was also director of security patrols at Praetorian Guard Security Services, a residential armed home security company. His wife, Jenny, was its president.

According to its website, the company offers armed security with guards wearing personal protective equipment and driving “the same make and model of vehicles that many police departments use.”

Law enforcement officials said that when they arrived at Hortman’s home, a dark SUV with police lights was in the driveway and a man dressed like a police officer opened fire on Brooklyn Park police officers.

According to his roommate, Boelter had bought the squad cars because he was interested in starting a security company.

Oh, so cops actually exchanged fire with this guy? Or at least saw him? I hadn’t heard how he was identified - this is so many levels of creepy with the grotesque mask and the cops bring right there. I hope the neighbors have more security footage.

For many in law enforcement, I wonder if this guy’s greatest offense is impersonating a cop.

R230 God, I hate the NY Post.

The victim was "virulently pro-choice." The use of the word "virulently" to try and imply the victim was some kind of sociopath who deserved to die.

"The suspect may have been harboring pro-life views." But notice how the killer isn't "virulently" anything. He just had "views."

This whole "manhunt" thing is weird.

Where could this despicable person be?

R315 Based on what he wrote to his roommates, I'd say he's dead somewhere in the woods with a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

Do you know any Republicans who are ok with these shootings, r297? Or are you just exploiting these murders for political reasons?

R317 Browse through "X" and you'll find your share of nutjobs praising his actions.

R317 = a right-wing troll who is British and lives in Greece

It amazes me the way these "pro-life" people are so willing and excited to kill people.

Isn't that more like "pro-death"?

R320 They're not "pro-life," they're "pro-birth."

Once the baby's out of the womb, they don't give a shit. As the saying goes, Republicans believe life begins at conception and ends at birth.

[quote] It amazes me the way these "pro-life" people are so willing and excited to kill people.

Their twisted justification goes like this: If we have to kill some politicians and abortion providers to stop the "murder" of millions of unborn babies, it's OK. The ends justify the means. They think they're doing the Lord's work.

[quote]It amazes me the way these "pro-life" people are so willing and excited to kill people.

[quote]Isn't that more like "pro-death"?

They are probably convinced that killing pro choice people is "saving the babies". That's how the guy who kiilled abortion doctor George Tiller felt.

I read this article on Tiller and the guy who killed him years ago. Very well written and this Vance Boelter loon reminds of the guy who killed Tiller.

Certainly not loath to unleash the forces of the federal government to compel state compliance with his policies, has Trump made any commitment of federal assistance in capturing this guy?