William Torpedoes Meghan and Harry’s Plan to Keep Their Kids Royal

One friend of Prince William’s told The Daily Beast: “William obviously isn’t going to hire Archie and Lilibet. This is just trolling on the part of Harry and Meghan. It’s actually hilarious that no one even noticed it for ten days, until the Mail did it.

“The idea that somehow having a vestigial HRH as a baby later entitles you to be a working royal is beyond parody, even for them.

“Harry and Meghan were asked by the queen to stop using their HRHs, and agreed. Obviously, any reasonable person would understand that would mean your kids don’t use them either.

“The simple fact is that Meghan has gone back on the deal by using her HRH. It’s a straightforward betrayal of the deal, and if she now intends to start parading the kids as HRHs to aggrandize herself, it just adds to the case to remove them, legally, altogether.”

Another friend of the family also told The Daily Beast that they believed the HRHs would ultimately be officially removed.

The second friend said: “An HRH is a funny thing. It’s often referred to as a title, but it’s actually technically a ‘style,’ i.e., a way of addressing someone. It’s a courtesy. It denotes no official role and it bestows no formal rank in the British system, in the way being a duke or duchess does.

“An HRH is bestowed by letters patent—which is basically a fancy way of saying it is a legally binding royal decree—and by precedent an HRH can be taken away by royal decree also. Look at Diana and Fergie. The HRHs weren’t removed ‘because they got divorced,’ the rules were quietly changed to remove HRHs from royal exes. There is a difference.”

The friend added: “They have asked the Sussexes politely to stop using the style, to no avail, so I imagine William will simply issue new letters patent to formally remove the entire family’s right to use HRH when he becomes king.

“It will likely be presented as part of a wider tidying up exercise to reduce, more broadly, the number of HRHs in circulation. He could, for example, say that only working royals are entitled to use HRH, which seems sensible if you are trying to modernize, or specify that only children of the monarch are HRH, not the grandchildren, which would have the added advantage of making things clearer for their own kids’ families in due course.”

Norman Baker, a former government minister who has written extensively on royal and constitutional matters, previously told the Daily Beast: “As the bestowing of an HRH is in the gift of the monarch, the monarch could remove the HRH title. It would basically be the equivalent to an executive order in the U.S.”

Baker called for the Sussexes to be stripped of the honorifics at the time they quit the working family and has told the Daily Beast it was “a mistake” to not deal with the matter conclusively then.

A former courtier who retains good links with the palace told the Daily Beast: “The bottom line is that Harry and Meghan are abusing the fact that the queen trusted them to adhere to the deal made at the Sandringham Summit, and that won’t be allowed to stand, especially as we all know this is really about her ability to flog tat on Instagram.

“Charles may not want this fight, but William despises Harry and Meghan at this stage, and when he is king his fury will rain down on them.”

Meghan and Harry promised the late Queen Elizabeth they would stop using the HRH titles when they left the royal family in 2020, but Meghan has reneged on that promise, using the title privately and allowing others to address her by it.

A Meghan source previously told The Daily Beast: “Harry and Meghan retain their HRH titles; however, by agreement, they do not use them for commercial purposes. While they do not publicly use ‘HRH,’ this was a personal gift, and their titles remain.”

However, royal sources have told the Daily Beast that the deal that settled the terms of Meghan and Harry’s exit from the ranks of working royalty “made it clear they had agreed not to use the HRH titles at all, ever, in any capacity.”

The Royal Family have become the Kardashians of the UK. Let bygones be bygones, bring them back into the fold. it's not like Harry or Meghan murdered their first born. Whatever happened to blood is thicker than weather? Talk about thin skin egos. Gosh the Royals and their fans are petty.

Uh, the actual working royals aren't the Kardashians of this story...they're not the ones who flounced off to California to fail as media moguls.

They didn't want to be working royals...why the fuck would their kids have titles? They're American kids. We don't have titles.

Meghan just wants them for her eventual "payday" of trying to create her own Kardashian style media franchise when the kids are older. Her two pillow babies are her retirement fund.

Except of course, she's a fuckin' idiot who can't get anything off the ground because she's a talent free twat.

The Royal family will be so thinned out with a bore for a king when William comes along. Will anyone care anymore? Does anyone care about his kids once they aren’t kids anymore?

Play stupid games, lose out of stupid prizes.

Elizabeth II was about as boring as humanly possible and was a paragon as Head of State. The US is currently enjoying a very unboring Head of State . I know which I'd prefer.

At this point, I wonder why they don't just do it: quietly issue some letter on a Friday afternoon when Israel has attacked someone and just get it over with. Even if Haz does get a divorce and return to the fold in some way, his days as an HRH are already over.

[quote]Baker called for the Sussexes to be stripped of the honorifics at the time they quit the working family and has told the Daily Beast it was “a mistake” to not deal with the matter conclusively then.

Absolutely it was a mistake not to deal with it at the time. They should have been stripped bare. The Sussexes took advantage of the Queen's benevolence and age.

[quote]bring them back into the fold.

You're a loon.

Charles doesn't want the grief, quite reasonably. William should do it between Charles 's death and the funeral, so Harry will throw a massive strop and doesn't come - 2 birds.

Maybe I’m missing some nuance of this because I’m not British, but she can call herself whatever the fuck she wants. Just like she I can.

I can see how it might be annoying if they were to use HRH at publicized events they were being paid for, but I can’t see posting a letter where someone else (mistakenly?) uses HRH as a big deal. And who cares what she uses in private correspondence. Is she even doing that? I saw one example and I think it was a note to someone’s mom. Seemed like it might have been done tongue-in-cheek (that might be giving Meghan too much credit).

At this point, if I were Meghan and Harry, I’d be getting HRH license plates. I don’t like them, but if I had to pick a side I’d go with the word salad self-sabotager and her low I.Q. flunky over the self important lazy pants twins.

Fuck William. Is the prick going to formally censure Queen Latifah and Prince’s estate?

William hasn't actually done anything yet and might never, R11. This is gossip and speculation. Your fury seems a bit strange.

Meghan “I’m A Commoner Now” Sussex

R11 might be the stupidest person ever to post on these threads.

Archie and Lilbet are not referred to as HRH and never will be. This whole passport fracas was Harry's attempt to have them documented with the HRH title (as well as the surname Spencer, apparently) on their passports so that he could then claim they are legally HRH - as if titles such as HRH appear on passports.

R11, you're not only missing nuance but the entire point. In official contexts, HRH is only applied to working royals who are representing the monarch. Meghan can call herself what she wants, but she will never be a real HRH - just as Queen Latifah isn't a real queen. This is in fact the whole reason why Harry wanted his kids to have HRH recorded on their passports, so that, if they wish, they could go to the UK when adults and be working royals. The fact he could even imagine something so implausible just goes to show what a complete idiot he is.

But in what “official context” has HRH been used to refer to Meghan or Harry, R15?

Another hilarious Daily Beast article that fantasises deliriously about what William will supposedly do. Archie and Lilibet are not and never will be HRH. There's a difference with Harry and Meghan, who were formerly HRH in an official capacity but are no longer. By continuing to use HRH they would have been falsely giving the impression that they were still conducting official royal engagements on behalf of the monarch. Archie and Lilibet have never performed official royal engagements on behalf of the monarch as HRH and never will.

R16, Harry was always HRH and performed official royal engagements. Meghan also performed a few official royal engagements along with Harry, e.g. a few royal trips abroad, appearing at various commemorations, representing the monarch at charity events. In those official contexts, they were HRH. When they withdrew from living in the UK full-time Harry had some bizarre idea that they could be half-in, half-out of the royal family, and they would still be able to appear at various events and take part in certain activities that were completely unrelated to the royal family as HRH, so, of course this had to be stopped as it would give the false impression that they were representing the monarch, i.e. the British head of state, i.e. Britain.

Team William!

[quote] William hasn't actually done anything yet and might never, [R11]. This is gossip and speculation. Your fury seems a bit strange.

You have a point, R12. I read the linked article too quickly and linked the “understands” explanation to the hypotheses about what William might do, but it was actually related to something from M&H’s camp.

I don’t like William (or Kate), though. I used to think they really made the best of their circumstances and respected their ability to be self-controlled and follow the rules imposed by their roles. But I believe Harry’s claims that they sabotaged him via the press for years. And it went too far. Vicious and petty at the same time. M&H are unsympathetic and unlikable, but kicking an ugly dog is still kicking a dog.

Once Meghan divorces Harry…will William accept him back into the UK and Royal life? Or he does he despise him too much?

What had to be stopped after Meghan and Harry left R18? I think I understand what you are saying about HRH=acting officially on behalf of the BRF, and that’s probably a big part of why this seems so petty to me. As a non-Brit, I don’t make that as connection. So appreciate that context. But when did they ever do that? When did they show up at an event that as advertised them as HRH?

They wouldn’t be invited anywhere if it wasn’t for their connections.

They’re not invited anywhere now. People actively avoid them.

But they can’t see that they are the problem.

It's the least those racists owe ME, for all the pain and suffering I have endured at their hands. And My Children deserve nothing less!

In the very off chance that something happens to Bill and Cathy's kids, who would be next in line if Harry & Meghan aren't "royal"?

[quote]I believe Harry’s claims that they sabotaged him via the press for years

Nobody needs to "sabotage" Harry, he does that just fine by himself.

Team Bill and Cathy

This title-stripping fantasy will provides years upon years of DataLounge and DailyMail masturbatory fuel, until Will actually accedes and decides not to rock the boat.

^provide

If William does this once he is king, it will be a bad public relations move for him and the Royal Family. It will be seen as petty, vindictive, and cruel to his nephew and his niece. Far better to ignore the antics and actions of the parents. Take the high road there. And he should welcome his niece and nephew when the time comes. They'll never be "working royals," and that will be their choice. The two are Americans, and will be thoroughly American when they are adults. As such, they should reject any foreign titles.

The precedent for this speculation was the Danish Royal Family, where -- while she still reigned -- Margarethe stripped the titles of prince and princess from the children of her second son. Her actions angered her son. But again, if William does this once he is king, it will backfire on him and the Crown, because his niece and nephew have mixed heritage. To do this would give substance to the charge that he and his family are racist.

R6 it was a different world seventy years ago. Elizabeth had the full weight, history and gravitas of the royal family behind her. The royal family enjoyed a much different level of acceptance and respect and she reigned over a large portion of the world. She could be as boring as she wanted to be.

But you can’t have a waning institution, riddled with 40 years worth of scandal, that fewer and fewer people actually support or care about WITH a boring leader even fewer people care about.

Charlotte is the only hope to save the Monarchy.

Meghan and her Handbag are loathed in the UK. Do you honestly think that it would be a PR disaster for the titles to be stripped from two American kids that no one in the UK ever sees? Sure, Jan. As for them being mixed race, those kids look white as snow. You need to find another tact. The racism angle is tired and played out.

R33 No matter who is King or Queen, The British Royal family will never be boring to a good part of the general public. Especially to Americans.

[quote]But you can’t have a waning institution, riddled with 40 years worth of scandal, that fewer and fewer people actually support or care about WITH a boring leader

Uh... what would a non boring King be like? What should William be doing to appear less boring and be more entertaining?

The fact that Harry's wife still uses the titles and, according to the article, expects people to call her HRH in private is hysterical! I have never seen anyone have such an utter lack of self-insight to such comedic effect.

I doubt William and Catherine give the two losers much thought. I suspect the two losers will try to engage and enrage, as is Harry's wife's ploy by using the HRH and naming the child Lillibet. Harry's wife knows without a connection, even if just fake news articles, to the House of Windsor they are nothing. Harry's interviewing are attempts to keep the corpse of who they were alive.

^^^I meant engage and enrage the Royal Family in order to possibly provoke a response that will keep the whole ugly business the two losers have created in the public eye.

[quote] Meghan and her Handbag are loathed in the UK. Do you honestly think that it would be a PR disaster for the titles to be stripped from two American kids that no one in the UK ever sees? Sure, Jan. As for them being mixed race, those kids look white as snow. You need to find another tact. The racism angle is tired and played out.

R32, I agree with everything you write, but it does not matter. There will be cries of racism, if William as king does it.

[quote]As for them being mixed race, those kids look white as snow. You need to find another tact. The racism angle is tired and played out.

They're old enough for Meghan to start spray-tanning them now.

Of course I agree with R32!

I meant to direct my reply to R35

My bad

[quote] I wonder why they don't just do it: quietly issue some letter on a Friday afternoon when Israel has attacked someone and just get it over with?

If you think that Harry and Meghan would ever let something like this be "quietly issued," you are sadly mistaken.

They would be sure to blast it all over the news and the tabloids, and make sure that the entire world knows what a monster King Charles is for doing this.

Harry and Meghan will never go quietly.

In 20 years, it'll read "George Torpedoes Louis' Plan...."

Laugh now. Cry later.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

R32, Harry and Meghan have already effectively been "stripped" of their HRH: they still formally have the style, but they can never use it. This has is not related to what the Danish Queen did.

This story is supposedly about WIlliam torpedoing Harry's plans to make his kids HRH so they can be working royals one day. Harry thought that if he managed to get HRH written onto their UK passports (Archie already had a UK passport, he was trying to get him a second UK passport at age 5 or 6) then that would mean that they are "legally" HRH. Aside from the fact that this is not how to become HRH and it's not how to make a passport application, William can't dictate to the Passport Office what names it can issue passports under - although in the original Guardian article it was supposedly Charles who did this, even though he can't either. Harry was just being an idiot again and abusing the passport application system.

R33, we in the UK like our royal family to be "boring".

All of this silliness over titles. Move on with your lives - both sides. Jesus Christ - petty, childlike behavior from them all.

I feel like Harry has this axe to grind about how he's been overlooked and treated his whole life - and it's been magnified since leaving the UK. It's like he's stuck on trying to change them and they never will.

It's all the family he has, so I know it has to burn - but you've got your own family now. Sometimes it's best to go no contact than to try and change family or in this case, a deeply ingrained institution that bends for no one.

You've made a break Harry - just make it a clean one and develop your identity outside of being a royal. That's what people are wanting you to do anyway. Let their antics show how petty and un-family like that world really is.

He can't make a clean break. He's neither smart enough, strong enough, or rich enough. She doesn't want a break, clean or dirty. Without them she's nothing. Less than, actually: she's a laughingstock now.

The RF can do whatever they want. They agreed not to use the titles. She has and he's tried to do so with the kids' passports. My guess is that when William takes over, Harry is history.

Fuck around and find out, Megz.

[quote]All of this silliness over titles. Move on with your lives - both sides.

"Move on with your lives" is exactly what the Royal family has done. Harry has not.

R35, you mean tack, not tact. Tack, as in a course of action.

So Prince Archie, raised in the US grows up, gets married and eventually has a boy, would that kid be a prince too? Or several kids, all princes and princesses? Where does it stop?

R51 Apparently it can stop whenever the the ruling monarch wants it to stop. An example would be Prince Edward's children. When Prince Edward got married, Buckingham Palace announced what future titles would be for any children.

A future King should lead by example. Being a petty bitch to your own brother over a book or a little spat is not that.

[quote]A future King should lead by example.

And that is in fact what Charles is doing.

By not giving in to Harry's nonsense.

^ William

[quote]I feel like Harry has this axe to grind about how he's been overlooked and treated his whole life - and it's been magnified since leaving the UK. It's like he's stuck on trying to change them and they never will.

Can you blame him? The one woman who cared for him and loved him unconditionally was not only treated horribly by his fathers side but was tragically killed at such a young age. Not to mention his fathers whore goes on to become Queen. That would fuck anybody up.

William should really take a step back, see how Harry has been wounded in this whole situation, and deal accordingly. Diana would be FUCKING PISSED at how this is all going down. She always led by class as an example.

Oh, the melodrama of poor, poor Harry Sussex and his sad life of wealth and privilege...WON'T SOMEONE LOVE AND VALUE HIM FOR WHAT HE IS WORTH?!?!?

Haha. The Twerkles' shiny new crap PR is doing just great!

William was also "wounded" by the same situation as Harry and. you don't see him spending his time whining, moaning, trashing his family and sitting back twiddling this thumbs while his wife spreads vicious lies about his family.

[quote]William was also "wounded" by the same situation as Harry and. you don't see him spending his time whining, moaning, trashing his family and sitting back twiddling this thumbs while his wife spreads vicious lies about his family.

What lies? That they're racist? That old bitch used to sport around her blood diamonds like it was cute. I've no doubt that royal family had racist attitudes. Wasn't Phillip a nazi sympathizer as well?

And no, I'm not a Meghan stan. She wouldn't have given two shits had she been treated like she was white. Self-promoting asshole. But two things can be true.

Harry's a dope who's being used, but neither side is perfect by any means.

[quote]What lies? That they're racist?

Racist this, racist that.

Hon, it's the year 2025, that shit doesn't fly anymore.

Meghan presented as white for years before she started spray-tanning.

Okkkay r61. We get who you are

I’m still wondering why Megs didn’t name her daughter after her own mother, whose heritage was such a source of pride

[quote] So Prince Archie, raised in the US grows up, gets married and eventually has a boy, would that kid be a prince too? Or several kids, all princes and princesses?

No. Archie and Lilibet are HRH Prince Archie and HRH Princess Lilibet solely because they are grandchildren of the monarch in the male line.

Archie's children will never be grandchildren of a monarch, so they will not have royal titles or the HRH designation.

[quote] Wasn't Phillip a nazi sympathizer as well?

No, and you're an asshole for falsely suggesting as much.

He fought the Nazis with distinction in WW2, and was a decorated navyman.

And today, this headline appears in The Daily Beast:

"Harry and Meghan’s Abrasive Management Style Back in the Spotlight as They Ax Their Communications Heads"

And:

"The couple sacked communications chiefs Charlie Gipson and Kyle Boulia, reportedly blaming them for failing to turn around routinely negative media coverage of the pair."

"The couple have now hired a PR firm to manage their affairs. One of the new team’s first moves was to release last week’s twerking video."

Sounds promising!

Passport? What's a passport?

- Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II

You all missed the obvious flag that this article is just manufactured nonsense.

Its the sixth word in the first sentence of the article for godssakes!

'exiled'

Prince harry has never been exiled! he and his wife simply stomped off to America in a temper tantrum. (Although I believe they planned to leave the first night she seduced him - what a putz he is!).

R69 The word "exiled" is used correctly there.

One of its meanings : "the state or a period of voluntary absence from one's country or home" - Merriam-Webster

regardless, he's still a stone-cold putz

What I just cant wrap my head around is why a thirsty bitch like Meghan ,who craves fame the way mosquitoes crave blood, threw away with both hands the opportunity to be bigger than any celebrity alive . She could have been as beloved as Diana had she played her cards right . Why did she throw it away ?

She's stupid. She hasn't been successful at even one thing she's attempted in her life.

[quote]She could have been as beloved as Diana had she played her cards right . Why did she throw it away ?

She didn't throw it away.

Scorpion and turtle.

Because she truly doesn't care about othe people. Diana was one of the few public figures who willingly hugged an AIDS patient without gloves when people thought it was contagious by touch.

OP's is a non-story.

Willie is so stupid: Harry and I requested those letters stand for the title “Hot Royal Ho”!

So, r70, whenever I'm on holiday abroad I'm in "exile". Yeah, I'm sure that's how the DB was using it.

What do “working royals” actually “work” at? Christening ships or visiting nursery schools?

That term is just comical.

Represent the head of state of the United Kingdom in various capacities, r79. We're happy for them to christen ships and visit nursery schools, support charities, advance causes. It's good for the country, it's unifying and it's a far nicer thing to define us than political strife.

It's bizarre that He arry has spent four decades at the heart of an institution the role and function of which he still doesn't understand. The half in half out idea, the deranged legal cases over security, the HRH business and all the pettiness over precedence, uniforms, medals, frogging and what have you all demonstrate his total ignorance of everything.

R72 Because she had to work!

I don’t think she realized the duties and work of the royals. She only did a few engagements while she was there.

She also went through a shit ton of money while she was there.

Lily Diana would’ve sufficed. Their usual tactic is stepping right up to the line and maintaining plausible deniability. Lilibet was over the line so they had to make up that fiction that the queen okayed it.

I don’t see that, R83. Meghan makes bad choices and seems very ineffectual. Maybe she doesn’t focus on the right tasks and maybe she does a lot of make-work nonsense rather than seeing priorities through, but I don’t think she lacks a work ethic. Her execution may be poor, but she doesn’t seem to avoid work.