Democratic frustration reaches boiling point over David Hogg

“David Hogg is one of the biggest distractions we’ve had and seen in our party,” said Democratic strategist Antjuan Seawright, who advised former DNC Chair Jaime Harrison and hopes Hogg loses his seat. “I don’t trust him and I don’t think a lot of other people who are associated with the party should trust him.”

Hogg is rattling members of the party as he’s showed no signs of reversing course on getting involved in Democratic primaries as a sitting DNC officer, despite Martin and members of the party making clear their opposition to it.

That conflict came to a head last month when Martin expressed frustration with Hogg during a Zoom call with DNC officers, audio of which was leaked and subsequently reported by Politico over the weekend.

“I’m just quite frustrated to be in this position, because what you’ve done, whether you like it or not or know it or not, David, is I’m trying to — no one knows who the hell I am, right?” Martin said on the call, apparently addressing Hogg, according to audio published by the news outlet.

“I’m trying to get my sea legs underneath me and actually develop any amount of credibility so I can go out there and raise the money and do the job I need to, to put ourselves in a position to win,” he continued. “And again, I don’t think you intended this, but you essentially destroyed any chance I have to show the leadership that I need to, so it’s really frustrating.”

Martin also suggested he had considered stepping down as chair several months into his tenure.

Meanwhile, Hogg has sought to distance himself from the leaked audio and its release in a post on the social platform X. In a separate post, he suggested the call is a distraction that would only help Republicans.

“Republicans want us turning on each other so they can continue getting away with this. While Chair Martin and I have had our disagreements we are both in this to build the strongest party possible,” Hogg wrote. “Our nation is in a moment of crisis and the people are looking for us to lead. This is a distraction that prevents us from doing that. Do not help the GOP.”

The situation has left Democrats feeling frustrated and furious, with some saying the controversy is creating a distraction just as party officials are grappling with how to respond to Trump’s deployment of the military to California amid immigration-related protests. Meanwhile, the party is gearing up for the midterms, when it hopes to flip the House and possibly even the Senate.

“It shows that we’re no different than [Republicans], and it shows that we haven’t learned lessons from the past,” Seawright said. “We’ve seen what happens when you are not unified. We’ve seen what happens when there’s in-party fighting. We’ve seen what happens when selfish people try to poke their selfish heads up to make headlines instead of headway.”

And while some members of the party agree with the idea the party needs to make room for generational change or challenge ineffective members, they take issue with Hogg’s decision to try to do so as an officer of the national party.

“By and large, even the most hardcore centrist, moderate Democrats, in [a] roundabout way, agree with what he’s doing. There are some Democrats that need to get primaried or at [least] challenged, right? That’s fine,” said John Verdejo, a DNC member from North Carolina. “Everyone agrees with him on paper, but now … you’re a DNC vice chair.”

Any dick pics?

The Dems are in the shitter because it’s still a bunch of old men calling the shots.

Get rid of Hogg at your own risk. He has a pulse on American youth

I'd always had high hopes for Gen Z (and younger Millennials) to change the narrative, take power, initiate a movement to revive our national spirit with love and peace. So far it's been a huge disappointment. Beyond the online manosphere reactionary shift to MAGA, there is no core of visionaries and activists who seem to inspire hope. None that seems to have a good idea of how to proceed. Hogg's dance seems more to get personal attraction than to beat reactionaries.

It was wrong to place this kind of expectation on them, I guess.

That's La Belle Hogg to you, missy!

This Seawright guy is the problem. He is going scorched earth on Hogg and generally instigating dissention. I think the new party Chair is expendable. Their problem, is t hat Hogg has a generally positive public image. He is a gun violence survivor who turned his experience into a real movement to end gun violence. He has worked very hard in the trenches to get young activists elected to state legislatures and to Congress. I know who Hogg is. He has cred with me. I don't know Martin or Seawright and I am put off by Seawright's aggressive anti- Hogg attacks. He seems very divisive. At least Hogg's disagreement is based on trying to make the DNC more relevant. And winning elections.

[quote] Get rid of Hogg at your own risk. He has a pulse on American youth

From the article:

"The anonymous Democratic strategist warned that voting Hogg out of his post could elevate him as a martyr of sorts.

“There is going to be a lot of backlash if he’s forced out of his position,” the strategist said. “You think he’s making noise now? Holy cow, we’re not going to hear the end of it.”"

These dumb fuckers are arguing Robert's Rules of Order shit while the country is in fucking collapse.

They should go after Trump, not Hogg.

No wonder Dems are in trouble.

How is he a “gun violence survivor “?

JFC, R10. Google him.

I agree with Hogg - too many fossils have squatted in positions of power and refuse to leave.

Primary them. The do nothings - primary them, too. Purge the party of the dinosaurs like Schumer who foot drag, waste time and make excuses to not upset the thugs.

Fuck that. You’re either going to fight or you’re going to get primaried. We don’t want or need a half dead fool making excuses for thugs.

To Ken Martin and whoever Seabagster is: kick Hogg out and the DNC is over, permanently.

Not. One. Penny.

Do not call me, ever.

And I will take the considerable effort I have put into party politics and I will use it to destroy what's left of the weak and worthless Democrats. We must turn the party over to a new crew. The old guard blew it spectacularly, and it is time for them to go.

JFC, R11, was he even in the same building as the shooter? Is everyone who lives in the neighborhood a “survivor”?

R14 you seem real ignorant. I hope you or a loved one never has to go through something like those kids went through.

R14 I hope you or a loved one never has to experience this. You sound kind of ignorant.

BAd enough the guy survived a school shooting, but then he got harassed by Marjorie Taylor Greene?

I want to know what these other two guys have done to justify their positions? Hogg raises money, he knocks on doors he works on elections. He has a record.

If he were fat, you’d all be demanding he be sent to CECOT.

I love this angry Twink.

They had better not touch him.

Or I'll go scorched earth, just like R13.

"Well Seawright, I don't trust anyone named 'Antjuan.' How 'bout them apples?"

Hogg is an attention whore and is wasting everyone’s time and money. He needs to resign. Barring that I say let him endorse his chosen candidates, most of them will lose against incumbents and then everyone will realize he has no idea what he’s doing.

The Hogster has been removed from his DNC position. Ah the irony of youthful ignorance.

Anybody under 80 need not apply.

Hogg can create a PAC and get younger candidates. Nobody is stopping him. Just don’t do it as a DNC leader. But he seems too dumb to understand that.

A certain faction has been running the Democrats since 2016. Post-Biden, there's going to be a showdown.

[quote]Democratic strategist Antjuan Seawright, who advised former DNC Chair Jaime Harrison

So the exact kind of deadweight Hogg has repeatedly made clear he wants to shed the party of. No shit they're trying to get rid of him. They get paid millions by the party just to blow every election, can't have the brat get in the way of that.

And the DNC will sabotage anybody Hogg recruits. Can't upset the old corporate-owned apple cart.

There is a big problem with elder Dems not retiring when they should. There should be a serious effort by Dems to get the elderly to retire with dignity.. The recent article about frail Eleanor Holmes Norton was extremely sad. Of course, if they tried to get Bernie to retire, Hogg would go ballistic.

The Dems are their own worst enemies. David is the future, but the obtuse, insecure, power hungry pussies in the DNC won’t let him be great.

He wasn't removed. He announced that he decided not to run in the new special election. He makes them all look like assholes. He and his groups have been doing great work out here. The DNC has marginalized itself. It was irrelevant long before David Hogg became an activist.

[quote] Get rid of Hogg at your own risk. He has a pulse on American youth

No, he’s not. lol. America’s male youth is conservative.

[quote] The Dems are their own worst enemies. David is the future

David is seen as a beat cuck to America’s youth.

He doesn’t align with donor backed strategies, which is all they’re controlled by. Some of them like Crockett are just puppets on strings, that’s why Dems and Republicans flip flop or doesn’t make any sense when they’re talking. They’re just doing as they’re told.

[quote]I agree with Hogg - too many fossils have squatted in positions of power and refuse to leave.

Yeah, but the only Democrats bucking the party and not working together are the Squad members like Cori Bush, Jamal Bowman and AOC! They're the ones doing a whole lot of nothing! Young ideas aren't necessarily good ideas. Some of the dumbest legislators in DC are the youngest...on both sides.

Dumb decision, Hogg was right. I am an eldergay and can see the handwriting on the wall. The only hope left is that the growing distaste for Felonious Fatty will morph into a pro-democracy coalition that will save the Dems from themselves. The do-nothing octogenarians running things need to stand down.

[quote]There is a big problem with elder Dems not retiring when they should. There should be a serious effort by Dems to get the elderly to retire with dignity.. The recent article about frail Eleanor Holmes Norton was extremely sad. Of course, if they tried to get Bernie to retire, Hogg would go ballistic.

This comment hit the nail on head: Dems need new blood, no doubt but people like Hogg want it on *their* terms. Not unlike MAGA, they want to purge those not deemed sufficiently loyal while keeping old windbag do-nothings like Bernie because for some inexplicable reason, people buy his bullshit

Should I be concerned?

He got busted talking about the Bidens (we'll never be rid of them)

Project Veritas drops video of David Hogg exposing the Biden inner circle, the Autopen, and Pelosi’s shady deals

R4 which is the fault of outdated Gen X and old-millenial-obese-woman feminism. Young men aren't stupid. Feminism gave women protection from FGM. Young men in the US still walk around with dry glanses. Feminism gave women reproductive rights. Young men still have to pay child support against their will. Feminism gave women the right to vote. Young men still have to sign up for selective service. Refusal to do so can land you in jail and thus your right to vote is removed in a bunch of states. Feminism pushed #BelieveWomen instead of the gender neutral #BelieveEvidence. I am not a conservative but that men went to the right, manosphere and MAGA is SO NOT surprising. David Hogg is basically the lap dog feminists wanted but he only acts that way because he is closeted gay. This is not what a hetero dude aspires.

R40=incel.

David Hogg gives all the whiny white men an excuse to continue to vote for Republicans, just like Bernie Sanders did. It's the same rhetoric we heard in 2016 from the Sandinistas about the DNC and how bad it treated Bernie. Nothing stops Hogg from continuing to grift off of his PAC and causing chaos. He just can't do it within the party structure.

Hogg is not a Bernie Bro. Stop trying to harness him to that crowd. Millions of people who would never vote for him, still respect Bernie. I've followed the March For Our Lives group since they started and Hogg is practical and determined and he does more than do interviews and speeches. He is a worker. I see these people with titles at the DNC quoted a lot but WTF do they do and how did they get their job. Hogg has a track record. He raises money, he organizes and he knocks on doors. He will be fine. I don't see the DNC doing much of anything. I hope that changes. I hope the DNC raises money and gets out here and tries to win back the House. If the day comes when the DNC supports a candidate and Hogg and his group support someone different, I, as a thinking adult will look at both candidates and decide who to vote for. Why would the DNC want to shut down someone who can help them.

[quote]R32 No, he’s not. lol. America’s male youth is conservative.

And he’s been telling you exactly why that is and what can be done to change it but you and your fellow geriatric retards running the party would rather listen to charlatans who get paid millions a years just to suck off their corporate overlords.

Hogg is absolutely right about the need to understand and appeal to young straight men. This country is finished if there isn't more of an attempt to do that, among many other things that need to be done. However, it's completely understandable that the DNC would not be OK with him both being on the Committee and also working to primary Democrats in safe districts. Like, hello, why would anyone think they'd be cool with that? Very weird to think you can do both.

In this country we have a two party system. No proportional representation. We have Dems and GOP. We know what the Republican Party stands for and we know what the Dems stand for. We complain about the Dems being weak and old and out of date. But that's on us. My point is that who ever gets elected, we have to be engaged. Too many people feel like their vote is the end of their engagement. But once we elect these people we have to keep our foot in their asses and make sure they do what we need them to do. Historically, Dems have always been solution oriented. Republicans lie cheat and steal. So to use the old "bus" cliche', Get on the bus that takes you close to where you want to go. Period.

Jeez, what a useless argument. 1) Hogg isn't representative of what "Democrats need to do", he isn't the face of his generation, he has pointed out some obvious and important things and is often articulate... but being a member of the DNC and pledging to primary incumbents was just a stupid mistake 2) the DNC is NOT the Democratic party... it essentially exists as office staff to run Presidential primaries. Groups like the DSCC are closer to what Hogg wanted to do.

The "youth" of the Democratic Party don't follow Hogg... AOC, Richie Torres, Maxwell Frost, Marie Perez, Mamdani, Greg Casar, Crockett, Justin Jones... are much more influential and have more potential.

R47 in a nutshell: writing off white, nonhispanic males is the winning formula!

The idea that he, still basically a child, could come in and change the way things are done at the DNC, especially with threats against incumbents, shows what an amateur he is. The biggest fault with the DNC is putting him in the position in the first place.

Yes giving him the job was the first mistake. Also the insane voting rules…certain percentage for trans, nonbinary. Could Dems be a bigger joke?

That guy is so fucking ugly... I don't know what you guys see in him.

R49 The DNC didn't, the voters did.

[quote] Hogg can create a PAC and get younger candidates. Nobody is stopping him. Just don’t do it as a DNC leader. But he seems too dumb to understand that.

He has had his own PAC for awhile.

Hogg probably only appeals to progressive Gen Zers. He would never be able to win over the more masculine centrist millinenials or Gen Zers.

[quote][R47] in a nutshell: writing off white, non-hispanic males is the winning formula!

I'm in semi-agreement in that the most effective way to win more straight white male voters is to cheer on Trump as he eviscerates farmers, small businesses in red states and defunds FEMA so places like Florida, Missouri and Louisiana become and STAY steaming piles of rubble. If that don't teach them, at least they'll be miserable and dead!

More importantly has anyone seen David's Hogg?

Well maybe we can have Chuck Schumer send a letter to Maria!

Maxwell Frost is a good friend of Hogg's and David worked very hard to get him elected. It's not about whether or not young people follow Hogg. It is about the fact that he has an organization and volunteers and they WORK . Hogg's agenda initially and it is still his primary issue, is Gun Safety reforms. And he was very aggressive in confronting elected officials who chickened out of voting. He exposed the NRA hostages too. He is no threat to the DNC but clearly he's much more effective outside it. It is withering on the vine anyway.

R58 ... and he completely miscalculated how a member of the DNC saying he wanted to get rid of Democratic incumbents would be received.

He may well do good in the future and have a positive impact.. . but this was a complete and stupid gaffe.

Nationally the Gen Z vote not only stayed anemic, but actually swung noticeably to Trump and since David Hogg's "advocacy" Florida has gotten redder and redder.

It is observable that not only has he made no progress at all, but things have gotten worse. Maybe he should go home now.