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Bill Maher Suggests Liberals Bring Joe Rogan & Elon Musk Back Into The Fold

In his New Rules segment on Real Time, Bill Maher decried some liberal strategists’ idea that the Democrats need to find their own version of Joe Rogan.

“Instead of conjuring up a new Joe Rogan, ask yourself why you lost the old one,” Maher challenged. “Because he used to be on your side.”

Ditto Elon Musk.

Maher called Musk “another guy who five years ago was thought of as a liberal who was driven into the other camp by bad attitudes and bad ideas — a reversal I completely understand although I would never emulate it.

The Real Time host continued, “I related to the kind of mean girl shit you get from the cool kids in Wokeville. They tried real hard to cancel Rogan.”

And when Musk hosted SNL in 2021 well before he was Trumper, Maher claimed some of the castmembers gave him the cold shoulder for the sin of being rich.

“You think people don’t remember when you do this sh*t to them? That it’s not going to have blowback?”

Maher then advanced a proposal for those liberal strategists wandering in the wilderness: “All the guys in American like Joe and Elon, you do have to win them back — and you can.”

He suggested Musk and Rogan didn’t get “that The Last of Us fungal infection and became zombies.” They didn’t turn to the dark side, he maintained.

“No, they just got driven away, because that’s how politics works these days. Because a one side gets elected and pushed their agenda way too far and drove people in the opposite direction. The pendulum swings back and forth, not with people voting FOR anything but just to get rid of the latest extremist assh*les who seek to remake American in their image instead of just governing. Well, right now it’s the Republicans who are drunk with power.”

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by Anonymousreply 181June 8, 2025 4:50 AM

Bill is so thirsty.

by Anonymousreply 1June 7, 2025 6:43 AM

[quote]“All the guys in American like Joe and Elon

No, Bill, all the guys in America do not like Joe and Elon -- many people see them for the assholes that they are.

by Anonymousreply 2June 7, 2025 6:46 AM

Why do we need any of these people? What we actually see right now is people organising on their own, expressing their opposition, expressing their values collectively, coming together, often as bi-partisan communities to claim and protect our democracy. That’s where the power is. We don’t need figureheads. We don’t need a cult of personality. That’s what’s gotten us into this mess, partly.

by Anonymousreply 3June 7, 2025 7:15 AM

🤮🤮🤮🤮

by Anonymousreply 4June 7, 2025 7:55 AM

Fuck no.

Elon is forever dead to me. Sorry, but the way he destroyed lives for no fucking reason? That's unforgivable.

I never gave two shits about Joe when he was on our side and I don't care about him now.

by Anonymousreply 5June 7, 2025 8:16 AM

I would respect this idiot a lot more if he would just admit that he has gone full MAGA and accept whatever he fears the consequences will be. He is trying to play coy and hold onto his liberal HBO audience but he is increasingly sounding like a goddamn idiot. He needs to grow the fuck up.

by Anonymousreply 6June 7, 2025 8:37 AM

Why should I have to beg somebody to stop being a bigot and a selfish asshole?

Let them do the work to figure out why it’s important to care about other human beings.

by Anonymousreply 7June 7, 2025 8:58 AM

Old geezer needs to retire.

by Anonymousreply 8June 7, 2025 9:05 AM

stfu

by Anonymousreply 9June 7, 2025 9:49 AM

we need to appease nazis and shit smearers

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by Anonymousreply 10June 7, 2025 9:51 AM

Rogan was NEVER on our side, and I bet Musk pretended to be just to sell his product.

by Anonymousreply 11June 7, 2025 9:54 AM

Maher is a sex pest who loves young women. 100% of this is about his personal panic over being exposed and criticized.

by Anonymousreply 12June 7, 2025 12:04 PM

Musk was never a liberal. His online persona prior to going full right wing was fake and made by his PR team. He’s always been a narcissist with family ties to fascism and white supremacy.

And Rogan is a douche and tool so no thanks.

by Anonymousreply 13June 7, 2025 12:12 PM

No we don’t need them.

Wining while important is greatly over rated as the great Wendell Willkie often said. . Let’s be honest where would the country and the Democratic Party be if democrats were not so good at sticking to their progressive values?

by Anonymousreply 14June 7, 2025 12:14 PM

I, on the other hand, do not understand abandoning your political beliefs because other people who share them also believe things you think are wrong.

by Anonymousreply 15June 7, 2025 12:18 PM

Joe Biden was not an extremist asshole trying to remake America in his own image.

by Anonymousreply 16June 7, 2025 12:20 PM

He’s high on the idea that everyone who is not him is stupid and the key to political power is to do what he thinks makes sense.

by Anonymousreply 17June 7, 2025 12:22 PM

It's YOUR fault that racist, hate-fueled people who don't care if you die, don't like you. And YOU need to do something about it!

by Anonymousreply 18June 7, 2025 12:46 PM

I'm sick to death of Maher. He has incrementally become a very unpleasant and boring person over the past decade.

by Anonymousreply 19June 7, 2025 12:49 PM

Winning is over rated....No, it's everything. ..

by Anonymousreply 20June 7, 2025 12:56 PM

So according to Bill, Elon cut off food and medicine to millions of the world's poorest children because the cast of SNL was mean to him? Being an evil piece of garbage had absolutely nothing to do with it I suppose.

I think R6 is 100% correct. He truly is MAGA now but just doesn't have the guts to admit it.

by Anonymousreply 21June 7, 2025 12:58 PM

Rogan and Musk liberals? Libertarians maybe.

by Anonymousreply 22June 7, 2025 1:01 PM

Elon and Trump are just children who want what they want, when they want it.

If it was George W who publicly mocked Trump, Trump would still be a Democrat.

If Biden just caved into all of Elon's demands, Elon would still be a Democrat.

by Anonymousreply 23June 7, 2025 1:06 PM

The idea that someone like Joe Rogan, a Rush Limpballs wannabe, represents any of my values, is repugnant to me.

Rush Limpballs was your typical, douchey, privileged, entitled, arrogant straight white male. And Rogan and Maher are the same. They can all go fuck themselves.

by Anonymousreply 24June 7, 2025 1:07 PM

I've alternated between liking Maher and hating him, but I'm just ready for him to go away.

by Anonymousreply 25June 7, 2025 1:17 PM

R20 not according to many on this thread , like R24 , who put sticking to principals and losing as better than compromising on principals and then maybe winning.

The GOP is devoid of our principals and will do anything to win. The democrats not so much.

by Anonymousreply 26June 7, 2025 1:27 PM

Republicans are using Musk as a scapegoat for the consequences of Trump's thoughtless charging ahead. He has little credibility with anyone.

by Anonymousreply 27June 7, 2025 1:27 PM

R26, no matter how often or how hard you try to kiss Joe Rogan's ass, he's still not going to let you suck his dick. Move on.

by Anonymousreply 28June 7, 2025 1:40 PM

Many of you listen to what Maher says, but you don't really hear it; you just react to it. Once again, he's right. Stop cancelling everybody. Stop turning your nose up at success. Stop preaching to people. Let people live.

by Anonymousreply 29June 7, 2025 1:40 PM

R29: "embrace neonazis!"

by Anonymousreply 30June 7, 2025 1:41 PM

Just wear your MAGA hat proudly, R29, instead of bending yourself into a pretzel to come up as someone who didn't vote for Trump. We couldn't think less of you anyway, based on your posting history.

by Anonymousreply 31June 7, 2025 1:45 PM

I'd recognize that insufferable arrogance @R29 anywhere. It's DeFucktardo, gracing us with his presence early on a Saturday morning. To what do we owe this particular disgrace, asshole?

by Anonymousreply 32June 7, 2025 1:57 PM

When did Bill get his hairline back?

by Anonymousreply 33June 7, 2025 2:25 PM

R29 is correct and R30 is exactly why most people no longer identify as Democrats.

Liberals overreact and will call someone a Nazi / MAGA at any disagreement.

And then call Republicans narrow minded and intolerant.

by Anonymousreply 34June 7, 2025 2:30 PM

In a highly polarized political environment, both sides treat any deviation from their party’s conventional wisdom as a betrayal, as we can see in this thread. I think it is a bigger problem for the Democrats as there is a real conflict between some progressive positions and classical liberalism, . particularly around freedom of speech and the extent to which the oppressed/privileged paradigm should determine policy. The schism over Gaza between Democratic Jews and progressives is particularly clear. While many Democratic Jews oppose Netanyahu and his conduct of the war, they see progressives buying into the Zionism=racism rhetoric long promoted by the Arabs and feel a sense of abandonment.

by Anonymousreply 35June 7, 2025 2:39 PM

How exactly was Joe Rogan cancelled? Or Elon Musk? In fact, if anybody wants to cancel Elon Musk it's the whores of the Trump Cult.

But really, what bothered Elon, probably more than Rogan, was that people, gasp, were laughing at him on twitter. That instead of the adulation he was used to from the fawning business media and really everyone else in Silicon Valley, there were a bunch of people that actually thought he's an asshole (correctly, obviously), and he hated learning that. Oh the cast of SNL was cold to him cause he's rich (really, that the only possible reason, Bill?) Oh Noes, time to freak the fuck out and join the idiot cult!

For Joe Rogan, I don't know, he probably did get attacked by the very online cunts in the Trans Rights Activist community. It's what they do at the slightest hint that somebody doesn't think they are each and everyone a beautiful child of God. But so what? Again, there is no excuse for voting for the assholes in the Trump Cult, even if people were mean to you.

by Anonymousreply 36June 7, 2025 2:40 PM

Fuck them all.

by Anonymousreply 37June 7, 2025 2:43 PM

Can somebody put this old Jew out of his misery? He talks too much now.

by Anonymousreply 38June 7, 2025 2:45 PM

We’re supposed to care about the guy from House II? Can we never talk about him again?

by Anonymousreply 39June 7, 2025 2:52 PM

The primary challenge Democrats face is a negative public perception. Mainstream Democrats have done a great job of not allowing fringe positions to dominate the party platform, but they haven't been able to stop the public from believing that those fringe positions are not the party platform. It's part messaging, and part people are going to believe what they want to believe, like they believe that Republicans are good for the economy when history has shown that Republicans are not good for the economy.

It's a bad place to be in, and one without any clear answers. Democrats can push back on fringe positions too much, but risk alienating those voters when it matters. Many take a moderate position on most issues, but that also creates problems. The right still paints them as out-of-touch progressives, and the left says they're no different than republicans.

And everyone seems to think they have the answer to solve the Democrats' issues. No, they don't.

by Anonymousreply 40June 7, 2025 2:54 PM

R40 you are saying it seems that instead of taking Harris at her stated and public word that federal prisoners deserved trans treatment people should have read the democratic platform to see if trans treatment for federal prisoners was in the platform?

I don’t think that’s the way to go at all.

by Anonymousreply 41June 7, 2025 3:13 PM

R40 nailed it.

by Anonymousreply 42June 7, 2025 3:14 PM

Joe Rogan seemed to be all over the place-this week he's a Bernie Bro, next week he's MAGA. So I'm not seeing any core values there if you switch back and forth like that. Maybe he needs to put down the bong (probably why Maher likes him).

As for Musk, he was an opportunist, latching on to Obama and Democrats to get government subsidies for his EVs. Once that was locked in, he was free to come out of the Nazi/fascist closet.

Bill is full of shit, neither of them have been canceled but their words/actions have consequences. I would never purchase a product from a Musk company or listen to Joe Rogan. Democrats do not need to pander to these fools.

by Anonymousreply 43June 7, 2025 3:14 PM

Do people now get what Bill Maher is? What he's always been? He was never "liberal" and certainly never "progressive." He's always been a regressive, chauvinistic Libertarian who secretly hates Democrats and not so secretly has an enormous hard-on for conservatives. He likes Rogan and Musk because all three of them perfectly align as "cool bros" who pretend to be liberals when it serves them but underneath they're, at best, fellow travelers with full-blown fascists.

by Anonymousreply 44June 7, 2025 3:19 PM

J6 is the final word on this subject. If you choose to support it after J6. FUCK YOU.

by Anonymousreply 45June 7, 2025 3:27 PM

the first time i felt ashamed of this country was j6. we are forever trying to export democracy and serve as the shining city on the hill when j6 exposed the whole ruse.

smearing shit and killing cops because you didnt like the election results?

thats maga.

by Anonymousreply 46June 7, 2025 3:30 PM

Bill Maher thinks the counterpoint to Trumpism is to remake the Democratic Party as the Republican Party under George W. Bush: militaristic, Islamophobic, performative about "women's issues,", and vehemently hostile to any social change past 1980. We'll have two parties: a right-wing one and a fascist one. They'll cheer when gridlock ends and "the country is united again" under a "two-party" form of fascism that's just window dressing for one party rule.

by Anonymousreply 47June 7, 2025 3:32 PM

R44 Oh please. Maher was one of Obama’s biggest cheerleaders. Why lie?

by Anonymousreply 48June 7, 2025 3:37 PM

Democrats need to be much more relentless and focused about talking about the huge income gap and how this stupid bill is designed, purposely, to make that much larger. There is zero reason to give more money to rich fucks, but too often we wind up getting tangled into arguments about whether we just gotta make these cuts to Medicare and Medicaid cause DEFICIT. Apparently, DEFICIT don't give a shit about massive tax cuts for rich fucks. Magically they seem to have nothing to do with it. They are just some trivial side issue when we all know they are what is truly going to add trillions of dollars of debt.

Yes, we can all talk about necessary spending cuts just as soon as Republicans call for letting the idiotic and completely useless Trump tax cuts expire and in fact call for doubling taxation on the rich, including rich corporations.

Oh and by the way, shouldn't tariffs be bringing in all the money we need? No, they don't really work? Really?

by Anonymousreply 49June 7, 2025 3:42 PM

R47 You act like George W. Bush is the sole model for a centrist drift, but in reality, Clinton and Obama already laid the groundwork for turning the Democratic Party into a corporate-friendly, war-tolerant, compromise-heavy machine. They were never “leftist” in the true sense.

Clinton pushed the party toward neoliberalism: welfare reform, crime bills, NAFTA.

Obama was progressive in tone, but in practice was cautious, drone-heavy, Wall Street-friendly, and often centrist to conservative on economic and military policy.

So you’re absolutely right, remaking the party in that image has already happened. That’s why many voters, especially younger ones, feel disillusioned. The real “liberal” label today often just means moderate with good branding.

Maher’s critique isn’t saying “become Bush Republicans”—he’s saying stop alienating people who used to be on your team by chasing purity and moral superiority instead of building big-tent coalitions. The real threat isn’t the right wing alone, it’s the refusal to self-reflect on the left.

by Anonymousreply 50June 7, 2025 3:45 PM

Maher, Rogan and Musk are Libertarians at their core, even if they don't identify as Libertarians. And I can understand why, because not all idiots are Libertarian but all Libertarians are idiots. Who wants to identify themselves as an idiot?

Of course you can't paint people with such a broad brush, so let's look at them individually. Maher is the easy one; he was cast out of his position as a both-sideser when he spoke the objective truth about 9/11 hijackers; indeed, they were not cowards. But that is not what Bush the younger and his crowd wanted the American people to believe (mostly because they think labeling others as cowards somehow makes them seem less cowardly), so they turned on Maher and used their political power to get his "Politically Incorrect" program on ABC cancelled. Liberals rallied to his cause, mistakenly (in retrospect). Maher was never liberal. He was, and is, Libertarian. And yes, I know he claimed to give a $million to Obama's re-election; that does not make him liberal. That makes him another rich asshole trying to buy influence and frankly, adoration from the crowd that he needs to survive in his cushy Hollywood lifestyle.

I don't know that much about Rogan, but what I've listened to has not impressed me. In the lead-up to the election he didn't have much interesting to say; not for lack of talking, but what he said did not add anything to the conversation. It was like he was merely riding the waves of voter sentiment trying to capitalize on what he thought would play best to his audience. That's not being a thought leader or influencer. On the spectrum of shifting political loyalties, Rogan dismissed right from wrong and became enticed by the money he sees with that money coming from conservatives. And in the end it's as simple as realizing that Trump made America hate again, lucratively.

Elon sd, of course, the biggest and best example of the guy who wanted everyone to think he was liberal when being liberal was lucrative for his business interests. Anyone who was familiar with Elon and his background knew otherwise. He did not buy Tesla because he had liberal goals (environment, mostly) at the forefront of his plans; he bought Tesla because the opportunity to create havoc in a well-established industry was too great for someone who sees themselves as a disruptor. While Elon was born with a blood-diamond-encrusted silver spoon in his mouth (so wealth was not the immediate driving factor), he made his mark by disrupting the banking industry as part of the team that created PayPal, and he saw an industry populated by old money scramble to save their highly profitable businesses, and it tickled his fancy.

What we've seen in the past few years, however, is the real Elon: a highly insecure man-child hell bent on making his perceived enemies pay for the injustices he suffered as a child (neglected by a distant but ever-present father; ignored by women; mocked by the men he sees as "alphas" — although I hesitate to use that word because it has come to mean something dirivitive). And he achieved the element that we should fear in all insecure man-children: power sufficient to wreak some real havoc. DOGE was many things, but it was never about efficiency. It was merely the PR lies that gave him cover to achieve the real damage he intended: destroy the system that was holding him accountable, explaining his affinity for Trump, the poster child for petulant manbabies. That there are thousands, if not tens of thousands, of casualties in the process is insignificant. You can hear his thoughts from outer space (ha!): "That'll teach 'em."

And in the end, you have to view all three of these buffoons in the context of where we are in the world: a declining empire facing a massive cultural shift. All three tapped into the fear that the outgoing dominant group feels as they see their controlling influence wane.

by Anonymousreply 51June 7, 2025 3:46 PM

[quote]Maher’s critique isn’t saying “become Bush Republicans”—he’s saying stop alienating people who used to be on your team by chasing purity and moral superiority instead of building big-tent coalitions. The real threat isn’t the right wing alone, it’s the refusal to self-reflect on the left.

One more time for the back of the house, please.

👏👏

by Anonymousreply 52June 7, 2025 3:47 PM

Musk and Rogan burned their bridges. No thank you

by Anonymousreply 53June 7, 2025 3:48 PM

[Quote] he’s saying stop alienating people who used to be on your team by chasing purity and moral superiority instead of building big-tent coalitions.

Not supporting someone who spend millions to elect Trump and tore apart the government isn’t changing purity and moral superiority

by Anonymousreply 54June 7, 2025 3:49 PM

[Quote] Maher, Rogan and Musk are Libertarians at their core

Only rich white men have the luxury of being libertarians

by Anonymousreply 55June 7, 2025 3:49 PM

R40 Nail on the head.

Democrats’ biggest modern problem is PERCEPTION.

Even when the actual platform isn’t extreme, the loudest voices online, who often aren’t even influential within the party, define the image. As a result,

The right frames all Democrats as woke extremists.

The left criticizes them as “neoliberal sellouts.”

The center sees confusion and mixed messages.

This is a communications failure as much as a policy one. Most voters don’t read platforms, they absorb memes, headlines, TikToks, and cable news shouting matches. And in that arena, the fringe always looks like the face of the party.

You can be reasonable and still lose the perception war. That’s the heart of Maher’s argument, too: you don’t win by purging everyone who strays from the narrative - you win by making people feel like they belong.

by Anonymousreply 56June 7, 2025 3:50 PM

Musk, whose fortune is completely depending on the tens of billions of dollars in subsidies her gets from the US government, is a libetarian.

Anyone see the irony in that?

by Anonymousreply 57June 7, 2025 3:51 PM

R54 You reduce it to “he helped Trump = no forgiveness,” which is a valid EMOTIONAL stance, but POLITICALLY self-defeating. Maher’s saying we can’t afford purity tests if they cost us influence and votes.

by Anonymousreply 58June 7, 2025 3:52 PM

The Dems would do much better if they embraced a progressive platform. All this “let’s be moderate” is just wishy washy BS and Americans see clearly through it

by Anonymousreply 59June 7, 2025 3:53 PM

Is throwing Nazi salutes "straying from the narrative"?

[quote] Even when the actual platform isn’t extreme, the loudest voices online, who often aren’t even influential within the party, define the image.

You mean, like Republicans built a large tent of Christian nationalists, misogynists, racists, techno oligarchs, etc, by building their brand around mainstream messaging?

by Anonymousreply 60June 7, 2025 3:54 PM

Rush Limbaugh was a pill popper who used his Mexican maids to secure prescriptions illegally.

by Anonymousreply 61June 7, 2025 3:56 PM

[Quote] You reduce it to “he helped Trump = no forgiveness,” which is a valid EMOTIONAL stance, but POLITICALLY self-defeating. Maher’s saying we can’t afford purity tests if they cost us influence and votes.

We’re not going to be lapdogs for anyone who twists with the wind. Musk was a major architect of the collapse we’re starting to experience as a country. No one like him. We don’t have to suddenly take him under our wing. We can work, instead, to bankrupt him and make him irrelevant. One person shouldn’t have that much control on the government

by Anonymousreply 62June 7, 2025 3:56 PM

R59 Most national Democrats are moderates by historical and global standards, they’re not far-left at all.

Independent is rising because today, Democrat is perceived as radically left.

by Anonymousreply 63June 7, 2025 3:58 PM

One thing you'll never see - people saying Republicans should change THEIR message and THEIR political shenanigans to get people into the fold.

Bill is such an asshole and below contempt at this point. He has shown us who he is - someone with extremely flexible morals, a guy who likes to make up arguments so he can shit on BOTH sides in an attempt to prove how smart and independent he is.

by Anonymousreply 64June 7, 2025 3:58 PM

R60 Just because the GOP built a coalition of extremists, doesn’t mean liberals should copy the strategy.

The right’s coalition is built on fear, resentment, and one man’s cult of personality. That’s not a movement, it’s a time bomb. And when Trump goes, it all goes with him. MAGA was on the verge of collapse until Trump came back.

Liberals win when they offer coherence, stability, and vision, not rage, purity tests, or TikTok moralism. You don’t win long-term by becoming the mirror image of your enemy. You win by showing people there’s something better.

Don’t win like Trump if you’re going to collapse like Trump.

by Anonymousreply 65June 7, 2025 4:00 PM

Limp. Contrarianism. FLACCID! After j6, it's time to take a FIRM stand about this.

by Anonymousreply 66June 7, 2025 4:01 PM

Democrats think they are the Batman to Trump’s Joker but they’re more like Ra’s al Ghul. Lol

by Anonymousreply 67June 7, 2025 4:02 PM

19% of the US adult population identifies as far right —-11% of the US adult population identifies as progressive.

The only question is which one is hated more by the majority of voters,

by Anonymousreply 68June 7, 2025 4:03 PM

R64 You’re missing the point entirely. The reason people don’t tell Republicans to change is because they don’t care what anyone outside their base thinks, they’ve chosen tribalism over persuasion. That’s not strength, it’s political stagnation dressed up as conviction.

by Anonymousreply 69June 7, 2025 4:03 PM

[Quote] Most national Democrats are moderates by historical and global standards, they’re not far-left at all.

And that lost Dems all houses of government. Instead the GOP want fascist right and won everything. See how that works?

by Anonymousreply 70June 7, 2025 4:05 PM

R62 But you have embraced people who twist with the wind.

Biden built his entire political career doing exactly that. From the crime bill to Iraq to same-sex marriage to student debt, he shifts based on pressure, not principle.

So if the issue is “flexibility equals betrayal,” then be consistent. You don’t get to slam Musk for being a weather vane when your own party leaders have been spinning in the breeze for 40 years.

by Anonymousreply 71June 7, 2025 4:05 PM

[quote]One thing you'll never see - people saying Republicans should change THEIR message and THEIR political shenanigans to get people into the fold.

Because Republicans are not demographically or issue diverse. Their platform, when they had a platform, boiled down to Let's Go USA, White is Right, traditional gender roles, Jesus, and low taxes.

The Democratic Party is a coalition party built from many different groups who often can be at odds for the same slice of pie.

It's two different worlds.

by Anonymousreply 72June 7, 2025 4:06 PM

Republicans are 100% certain that Democrats can only succeed with adding more fucking morons to the party!

That is their worldview!

by Anonymousreply 73June 7, 2025 4:06 PM

That’s not why Democrats lost power. They didn’t lose because they were “moderate.” They lost because they failed to communicate, inspire, and organize like the GOP did, a party that mastered fear-mongering, identity politics, and media control.

The GOP didn’t win by being far-right. They won by turning outrage into turnout.

So no being moderate didn’t fail. Being passive and disorganized did. There’s a difference between lacking spine and lacking ideology. Democrats need better strategy, not a radical rebrand.

by Anonymousreply 74June 7, 2025 4:06 PM

Yall lost the plot. A long time ago. Like and dislike has nothing to do with this anymore. You either want to do American democracy or you don't.

I remember the media pushing Bush Jr as the guy you wanna grab a beer with.

So dumb.

by Anonymousreply 75June 7, 2025 4:07 PM

All these people need to be destroyed. Fake, dishonest, corrupt. Welcoming them back would be a tragic error.

by Anonymousreply 76June 7, 2025 4:11 PM

And I'm including Maher on that list. I had a dog smarter than him.

by Anonymousreply 77June 7, 2025 4:11 PM

R77 Does your dog have 230 billion dollars and a direct influence on the US government?

by Anonymousreply 78June 7, 2025 4:14 PM

“ Yall lost the plot”

First we lose all 7 fucking battle ground states, Then we lose the House, the Senate, and the White House . Now I hear we also lost the plot as well. JHC

When will all this losing stop or what will we lose next ?

by Anonymousreply 79June 7, 2025 4:17 PM

Bill Maher should have drowned in the grotto at the Playboy Mansion.

. He is an ugly, diseased old windbag. Fuck him.

by Anonymousreply 80June 7, 2025 4:19 PM

I'm not about to take advice of any kind from someone who has never once, in his entire fucking life, been able to maintain a stable, long-term relationship with anyone.

Same goes with Rogan.

And face it, if it wasn't for his money, Elmo would be a basement dwelling incel, like so many of his devotees.

by Anonymousreply 81June 7, 2025 4:27 PM

I find it interesting that all these people have meant Trump in person, knowing he's a would be Hitler, and none has ever done anything. I guess cowardice has become permanent and general in the "boys club" but then anyone whose masculinity is constructed based on their interpretation of seventies social norms like Rogan, Musk, and Maher is by definition a scared little dog hiding in plain sight.

by Anonymousreply 82June 7, 2025 4:29 PM

You contrarian dipshit. .Do you wanna do American democracy or not. Or do you want this country to look like your native homelands in the Caribbean. Or Hungary or fucking Russia or SHITHOLE INDIA?

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by Anonymousreply 83June 7, 2025 4:29 PM

R81 do you ever come to DL for advice? Let’s hope not,

by Anonymousreply 84June 7, 2025 4:33 PM

Why on earth would South Californians, a red state, vote overwhelming blue in a local election?

by Anonymousreply 85June 7, 2025 4:33 PM

[Quote] From the crime bill to Iraq to same-sex marriage to student debt, he shifts based on pressure, not principle.

He learned. I fully believe much of it was principle, particularly his acceptance of LGBT equality.

Musk and Rogan will go back and forth depending on what’s good for them personally. That’s exactly why Musk suddenly became a right winger

by Anonymousreply 86June 7, 2025 4:43 PM

[quote]So no being moderate didn’t fail. Being passive and disorganized did.

I disagree. This easy to conjure "observation" has never been true. Republicans are INCREDIBLY disorganized except in one area, relying on fear and stupidity to get people to vote for them. This is not something "being organized" can easily combat.

Being a Democrat will never appeal to millions of people who use their lizard brains to vote MAGA, even if they DESTROY THEMSELVES when their candidates take office. That does not motivate them to change! Policies that make their lives better DO NOT GET THEM TO STOP VOTING GOP! We see it over and over. You cannot ever win as many votes with good policies than you can with fear, hate and ignorance.

by Anonymousreply 87June 7, 2025 4:43 PM

Having the first democratic someone seen as senile by those that saw him on TV or up close, followed by a new someone , that had floundered badly in her only primary, that had previously as VP called on camera for federal prisoners to receive trans care paid for by the tax payers—- all of that was a good part of the problem as well.

Kind of like calling in artillery on your own position by mistake or self inflected errors. Fuck ups, is another term that could be used.

by Anonymousreply 88June 7, 2025 4:52 PM

Moderation in the face of fascism is capitulation.

by Anonymousreply 89June 7, 2025 4:54 PM

R12 That would be Black women. Like DeNiro, Maher is down with the swirl.

by Anonymousreply 90June 7, 2025 4:55 PM

Trump are Musk are both 100% transactional by nature. Their mantra is "what have you done for me lately, and if the answer is nothing, go fuck yourself."

by Anonymousreply 91June 7, 2025 4:58 PM

R89 not if you win. Because it’s the losers that are always shit out of luck. Nothing says capitulation like losing does. Winners tend to do a lot better in life, in wars, in politics,,

by Anonymousreply 92June 7, 2025 4:59 PM

this👇 is definitely more appealing than a "senile" candidate three years older than it or like a like black,like woman.

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by Anonymousreply 93June 7, 2025 5:03 PM

R34 How do you feel comfortable enough to say most people are no longer Liberals? Based on what?

by Anonymousreply 94June 7, 2025 5:07 PM

Trump ran the worst campaign in history but still won.

Kamala was like a different campaigner than in 2019, she was sharp, funny, approachable and stayed relentlessly on message and it almost worked, but ignorance is EVERYTHING in American life.

Nothing about America ever makes sense unless you realize how COMPLETELY FUCKING RETARDED the average disengaged person here is!

by Anonymousreply 95June 7, 2025 5:17 PM

R95 Kamala also just might have gotten smoked, like she had before, if she had to debate and go thru a democratic primary. We are only guessing if she could have prevailed. But the democrats should have been able to find out

The bottom Harris line the only one that counts—-she lost,

by Anonymousreply 96June 7, 2025 5:23 PM

R34 is a right wing troll. They're all over this thread pretending to be "concerned Democrats." It's the same divide and conquer act we've seen here for almost 2 decades now. Any criticism of a Republican or conservative and they swoop in with the bothsidesisms and whataboutisms. Always deflecting, always flipping the script to blame Democrats, shouting "look over here at the Democrats!" while Trump, Musk and the GOP are openly destroying democratic norms, relations with allies, the federal government and the rule of law.

And yet the folks here criticizing Republicans and Trump aren't all in on "the Democrats." The Democratic party is complete shit and its leaders are completely out of touch, but it has to do with economic issues and their failure to stand up to Trump, not social issues or pronouns or the usual garbage these trolls throw around here. The Democratic Party is shit but the real threat is still Trump, the GOP, and conservatives generally.

by Anonymousreply 97June 7, 2025 5:27 PM

Harris ran a terrible campaign about nothing. Democrats are completely out of touch with many Americans. It’s not just Trump and MAGA. The Dems are losing Hispanic and black voters every cycle. Thank God the Republicans are such monsters. or, the Dems would be finished as a party.

I still laugh at the posters here who thought the US becoming less white would make it more progressive. The opposite is happening.

by Anonymousreply 98June 7, 2025 5:31 PM

The right lies non-stop. Trump, Fox, their churches, their talk radio, fine with all lies and distortions. They also cheat people- look at Trump and his meme coins, NFTs, bribes, it's all ok with the right. They're good at communicating that the right is the BOSS. The left are simps. Not sure how the left can push back without lying to the same degree, and by having an entire media apparatus that pushes lies 24/7.

by Anonymousreply 99June 7, 2025 5:35 PM

You're so right.👇 This is in touch with America values.

Doodpp. Peepee. Goo Goo. Gaga. Maga.

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by Anonymousreply 100June 7, 2025 5:35 PM

R99 B-b-b-but Obama wasn't a leftist! Biden voted for the Iraq war! Clinton passed the crime bill! I'm a liberal, [italic]concerned[/italic] Democrat, but I only criticize Democrats, and always in threads criticizing Republicans! Let's stay on topic, folks, the real threat right now is Democrats, and pronouns, and protests on college campuses! Bill Maher is right! I always agree with him and always have!

by Anonymousreply 101June 7, 2025 5:39 PM

Winners give great campaign. They always do. Losers don’t, .That is a fact of nature, You are either a winner in life or in Nov 2024 you were a democrat.

by Anonymousreply 102June 7, 2025 5:41 PM

You sound like a libertarian welfare queen

by Anonymousreply 103June 7, 2025 5:43 PM

R97 And again, any ideology that doesn’t align with radical left wing you’re labeled a Nazi / maga / right wing troll.

I am a gay biracial Democrat from a big city and have always been liberal.

But now I am a Nazi because I don’t agree with radical liberalism.

by Anonymousreply 104June 7, 2025 5:44 PM

R101 You’re even mixing people up in here. You think you’re talking to one person. You can’t even recognize other people feel the same way about the Democratic Party despite being Democrats.

by Anonymousreply 105June 7, 2025 5:47 PM

Democratic support from Blacks and Hispanics is at its lowest in 60 years. There is no Democratic Party without overwhelming support from Blacks and Hispanics,

Progressive blame the Blacks and Hispanics who defected for abandoning the Democrats,.

by Anonymousreply 106June 7, 2025 5:50 PM

Musk can't be trusted and we don't want tards like Rogan.

by Anonymousreply 107June 7, 2025 5:51 PM

Mighty white of ya

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by Anonymousreply 108June 7, 2025 5:54 PM

Nonsense 106. I think this is where we will find evidence of massive and systematic voter fraud. Reassigning votes in Hispanic and Black precincts must have happened, because there is not grass roots support for Republicans in these communities (except only the Cubans). What Trump did to Puerto Rico in this first term (abandoning them and their electric grid after devastating storms), was well remembered by everyone.

by Anonymousreply 109June 7, 2025 5:55 PM

R106 Democrats have drifted toward white, urban, college-educated elites. The dominant voice of the party, especially on cultural and media issues often reflects the values, language, and priorities of white liberals in big cities.

Democrats highlight diversity in symbolism (representation, firsts, DEI), but fuck up on real change like housing, jobs, public safety, education, healthcare so Black and Hispanics feel used for image but underserved in reality.

Black and Latino voters, especially men, are often more moderate or conservative on certain issues (crime, gender, immigration, religion) and white liberal elites often push a tone of moral superiority or performative wokeness that feels alien and condescending to those same voters.

You can just see it on this board. You know the liberal Democrats who label everyone Nazis and MAGA are some of the same people who post racist ass comments on here.

by Anonymousreply 110June 7, 2025 5:58 PM

R109 So let me get this straight — when Black and Hispanic voters support Democrats, it’s real, but when they drift away, it must be voter fraud? That’s not analysis, that’s denial.

Maybe instead of dismissing their votes as stolen, try asking why they’re leaving — and what the Democratic Party hasn’t delivered that they were promised. Because ignoring that is exactly how you lose more of them.

by Anonymousreply 111June 7, 2025 6:00 PM

Democrats don’t struggle because of bad ideas — they struggle because their loudest audience turns on people faster than they turn on the opposition.

This thread is a perfect example: someone brings up declining Black and Hispanic support, and instead of asking why, they cry voter fraud. That’s not strategy — it’s deflection.

You can’t build a winning coalition if your first instinct is to point fingers at the voters instead of reflecting on what’s broken in your message. Accountability starts with your own side, not assuming betrayal.

by Anonymousreply 112June 7, 2025 6:03 PM

R106

by Anonymousreply 113June 7, 2025 6:05 PM

It’s actually kind of interesting. When I came of age in the late 90s, my young gay self just assumed that I was “extreme far left“ because I supported gay rights and gay marriage, and also things like equality for women, and so on. Within the last 10 years, I was shocked to discover that I had actually been a center left moderate liberal all along. When I saw the enormous shift in the LGBT community after 2015, and people on the left advocating for transitioning children and men in women’s prisons, it made me angry. The important thing to remember is that the vast majority of the Democratic base is moderate, but unfortunately, the extreme woke far left are the loudest, so they make it seem like they are the majority.

by Anonymousreply 114June 7, 2025 6:05 PM

If you keep on losing key supporters , as the democrats are doing, when you are currently the smaller party, that is never a good idea. You don’t have to lose them all to end up being a full time minority party you just have to lose enough.

I remember before November the brain dead over confident morons or moron on DL telling DL dems they disagreed with to go vote for Trump because “we don’t need or want your vote”.

The dumbest progressive in the world said that on DL..

by Anonymousreply 115June 7, 2025 6:06 PM

Democrats are also statistically more likely to cut off friends and family more than Republicans. And like I said look at this thread, you don’t even have to be a Republican to push their buttons.

by Anonymousreply 116June 7, 2025 6:07 PM

[quote] I was shocked to discover that I had actually been a center left moderate liberal all along.

Lol okay buddy. Your posting history tells a completely different story.

by Anonymousreply 117June 7, 2025 6:09 PM

I can identity that I’m a center left moderate. But I don’t actually think I’m moderate, I’m a liberal before the 2010s and before Trump. Trump didn’t just make republicans crazy he made a lot of liberals crazy too.

by Anonymousreply 118June 7, 2025 6:14 PM

How utterly incompetent and stupid and unworthy of our support is the Democratic Party today?

The party can’t see the obvious fraud that stole the election while random bozos on DL can. If that’s the case why should anyone ever vote for D again. The Ds clearly don’t give a fuck.

by Anonymousreply 119June 7, 2025 6:14 PM

Neither Rogan nor Musk is asking to be allowed back into the fold

by Anonymousreply 120June 7, 2025 6:16 PM

I’m going to piss off a lot DLers by saying this, but it’s the truth, so I will risk a 48 hour ban. And I am saying this as a gay man.

The best way to get mainstream America on board with those of us not in the mainstream is to showcase normal palatable versions of every minority type. Professional, clean looking gay men. Professional, clean looking Black people. Professional, clean looking Latinos.

You may not like that I said that, and you may want to scream at me and say “everyone has a right to be themselves.” That is not how the real world works. Organizations like HRC and GLAAD went from showcasing clean looking gay men and lesbians to showcasing dead tranny hookers who were murdered by their crack dealers. How did that work out for them?

As a young gay man, I learned early on that you can go a lot farther in life by blending in and making the people around you more comfortable than you can by being a giant walking circus act.

by Anonymousreply 121June 7, 2025 6:17 PM

[Quote] The party can’t see the obvious fraud that stole the election while random bozos on DL can. If that’s the case why should anyone ever vote for D again. The Ds clearly don’t give a fuck.

Dems have no political power at all. As such, the media ignores them. You can’t blame the Dems here. What do you expect them to do to challenge the election?

by Anonymousreply 122June 7, 2025 6:17 PM

R121, don’t worry, you won’t be banned unless you bring your Israel slaughtering Palestinians

by Anonymousreply 123June 7, 2025 6:18 PM

[quote]Harris ran a terrible campaign about nothing.

The campaign was Sanity versus Crazy. 250,000 people in swing states chose Crazy. While 8 million Biden voters just chose to stay at home. That's the story of the 2024 election and nothing else.

by Anonymousreply 124June 7, 2025 6:19 PM

R121 The issue with democrats is abandoning working class in favor of white college educated people and then adding in a circus of loud radical minorities

The Pride parades are great examples. Straight white urban upper to middle class families and couples watching the freak shows. That’s how people perceive the Democratic Party.

by Anonymousreply 125June 7, 2025 6:22 PM

You can see who does not have critical thinking by how much credence they give to the claim that Mush is a genius.

by Anonymousreply 126June 7, 2025 6:24 PM

Un huh

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by Anonymousreply 127June 7, 2025 6:35 PM

R125, we'll see if your theory about Democrats abandoning the working class is valid by the end of 2025, after "God fearing/Christ loving" Republicans have completely eliminated or drastically cut the safety net for millions and millions of people, including Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid. Then when all the Cubans, Mexicans, blacks and every other minority who voted for Trump because "he's a strong businessman" (a businessman who filed for bankruptcy four times) have to start paying their own medical bills, we'll see what big Trump supporters they are then.

American voters, whether they be black, white, Hispanic, whatever, are not known to be the smartest people in the world. That they believed that a degenerate like Donald Trump was going to make America great again, shows just how stupid they really are. And sounds you have had more than a few drinks of Trump Kool-Aid yourself.

by Anonymousreply 128June 7, 2025 6:36 PM

R128 I’m not pro-Trump — I’m anti-delusion.

Criticizing Democrats for abandoning the working class, over-relying on white college-educated elites, and alienating voters with smug messaging isn’t “drinking Trump Kool-Aid.” It’s called paying attention to what’s actually happening.

If your only response to legitimate criticism is to scream “Trump!” you’ve already lost the argument.

by Anonymousreply 129June 7, 2025 6:40 PM

For the last 40 plus years the Republicans have been moving more to the right, and the Democrats have also been moving more to the right to meet them in the middle. Bill Clinton began this putting the needs of corporations above the working class and middle class. Obama, who to me was the biggest disappointment, just continued that trend.

by Anonymousreply 130June 7, 2025 6:49 PM

R122 yes if the democrats had information that the election was stolen they had a moral duty to make that claim. Totally gutless and unworthy not to do so if they thought so. And to scream that loudly.

But the only peep I hear about that is on the DL. Make of that what you will.

by Anonymousreply 131June 7, 2025 6:50 PM

R130 Liberals today would call Obama and Clinton MAGA as they do with anyone else who’s not a radical liberal today.

by Anonymousreply 132June 7, 2025 6:58 PM

Obviously, R129, you have a very serious problem with conflating your "opinions" with facts. Show me where the Democrats have abandoned the working class. Show me how the Democrats have abandoned the working class. And other regurgitating Trump/MAGA/Republican/Conservative talking points, you can't and won't prove how the Democrats have abandoned the working class. Is it the Democrats trying to eliminate Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid. Did a Democrat just propose shutting down the Job Corps by the end of June? Is it Democrats who want to cut funding to the Veterans Administration and close VA hospitals? Show me what Democrats have voted for watering down child labor laws. Show me what Democrats have voted for eliminating worker rights protection laws. Show me Democrats have voted to eliminate environmental protection laws. Show me how Democrats keep voting down raises in the minimum wage. Go on, show me.

Again, show me facts where Democrats have abandoned the working class, not just your fucking bloviating from your mental gymnastics.

by Anonymousreply 133June 7, 2025 6:59 PM

Democrats didn't leave the working class. The white working class left them. Even white union people voted against pro-union democrats. Democrats still bend over backwards to try to attract the working class. I'm tired of hearing about them. And being pro-science and pro-education is not being anti-working class. Give me a break.

by Anonymousreply 134June 7, 2025 7:00 PM

[quote] And yes, I know he claimed to give a $million to Obama's re-election; that does not make him liberal. That makes him another rich asshole trying to buy influence and frankly, adoration from the crowd that he needs to survive in his cushy Hollywood lifestyle.

That’s unfair. It’s a major contribution and as a comedian, he doesn’t need “influence.”

If he was so concerned about winning “adoration” from the crowd, he wouldn’t constantly be pissing everybody off on both sides

by Anonymousreply 135June 7, 2025 7:03 PM

Exactly. Lies and more lies. Democratic states have minimum wages more than double the national minimum wages, which Republicans have held down and wish to eliminate. The working class was not abandoned by democrats, nor have black and latino voters been abandoned. What has CHANGED in America is that due to the malign influence of undeserving evil billionaires and corporations, historic American values like work ethic and honesty are gone. The reason the Republicans won is that the average American voter has become corrupt and wants a share of the loot by prostituting their allegiance. That this would not work was obvious to anyone with an education, but sadly the American public are dumb as nuts now, the same way idiots in Mississippi keep on voting for racists despite being held down by corruption and wealth in their own state for hundreds of years. The lack of investment in people as ASSETS instead of costs is a vicious circle, a race to the bottom as it were. But I also beleive vote suppression and vote fraud had a piece of it because NOBODY on the political spectrum likes Trump. NOBODY. That's why one of their biggest October memes, well sure he's a prick, but you don't want someone everybody likes running the country!

by Anonymousreply 136June 7, 2025 7:05 PM

R129 thinks that Kamala Harris writing a nice letter to Dylvan Mulvaney last fall is how the Democrats have abandoned the working class. Such bullshit. Such pure, unadulterated bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 137June 7, 2025 7:09 PM

Democrats arguably abandoned the middle class in backing deregulation of Wall Street.

The need for massive amounts of money to compete forced Democrats to cozy up to some sources of funding.

But mostly, the point is misguided. The Democrats adopted positions on social issues that alienated uneducated white people starting with backing the civil rights laws in the 1960s. That’s not “abandoning the working class,” but it’s being unwilling to hang minorities out to dry for the sake of their votes. Meanwhile, the Republicans adopted populist social resentments in a successful effort to appeal to working class whites. Ultimately, those voters care more about social conservatism than they do about their own economic interests, and they do not care at all about helping the poor because they see the poor as racial minorities and immigrants.

by Anonymousreply 138June 7, 2025 7:12 PM

R133 Sure, let’s talk facts. The Democrats passed the 1994 Crime Bill — championed by Joe Biden — which devastated working-class Black and Latino communities, expanded mass incarceration, and militarized local police. That’s not exactly protecting the working class.

They also supported NAFTA, which gutted American manufacturing and cost hundreds of thousands of union jobs — again, working-class families paid the price.

No, Democrats don’t vote to eliminate Social Security, but abandoning the working class doesn’t always look like direct sabotage. Sometimes it looks like supporting Wall Street, cozying up to Silicon Valley, and prioritizing college-educated urban voters while letting labor unions and small towns rot.

So yes, show me where Democrats fight for the working class consistently — not just when it’s politically convenient

by Anonymousreply 139June 7, 2025 7:16 PM

R138 is correct.

by Anonymousreply 140June 7, 2025 7:16 PM

Elon has a low approval rating, actually

Most people can't stand him

by Anonymousreply 141June 7, 2025 7:17 PM

R137 Oh would you like to talk about Kamala Harris’ run as DA?

Or we’re just all supposed to pretend the Democratic Party was founded in 2012 with social media.

by Anonymousreply 142June 7, 2025 7:19 PM

Occupy Wall Street wasn’t aligned with either the Democratic or Republican Party. It was a grassroots, anti-establishment movement that rejected the entire political system for being complicit in economic injustice and was the gateway to raising minimum wages in the US the way they are now. But it’s nice to see Dems taking credit for it.

by Anonymousreply 143June 7, 2025 7:22 PM

I hate Trump. I think he’s dangerous and unfit to lead — full stop.

But the irony isn’t lost on me that many on the left call him Hitler, while open antisemitism has grown louder on the left itself. That kind of hypocrisy is part of what turns people off. You can’t scream “fascism!” and then tolerate or downplay bigotry in your own backyard just because it’s politically inconvenient.

Moral outrage only works when it’s consistent.

This is another example of why so many people are stuck in the middle.

by Anonymousreply 144June 7, 2025 7:25 PM

The Republicans represent the rich in terms if economic policy, but stay in power by appealing to Christian Nationalists and white supremacists who prefer a dictator who pretends to be faith-based than a democracy based on science and reason which they do not understand.

The Republicans have a lock on those votes, and sometime (often) that’s enough.

America is probably fucked until some cataclysm shakes everything up.

by Anonymousreply 145June 7, 2025 7:30 PM

I loathe today's GOP and Trump, but they (and Fox, their bullhorn) do a VERY good job of getting their messages coordinated, and blasting simple messages.

IMMIGRANTS BAD

MAGA GOOD

by Anonymousreply 146June 7, 2025 7:34 PM

R145 I think the Republican Party will collapse post-Trump. They’ve put their eggs in one basket and turned the party into a cult. It’s going to be nothing without a cult leader.

Unless Trump claims someone as his heir and promised to work closely with him, the next Republican leader will be a tough sell. And part of me feels like Trump wants to be buried in his diamonds and I don’t think he would mentor or back anyone after him. The house can burn down if he has to leave it.

by Anonymousreply 147June 7, 2025 7:35 PM

[quote] I still laugh at the posters here who thought the US becoming less white would make it more progressive. The opposite is happening.

No. What is happening is the moral collapse of America. The proliferation of lies and propaganda coupled with the general ignorance of the population conspired to make non-white Americans vote against their own safety and well-being.

by Anonymousreply 148June 7, 2025 7:35 PM

Bill Maher has been wrong about everything the past 10 years.

by Anonymousreply 149June 7, 2025 7:36 PM

[quote] But the irony isn’t lost on me that many on the left call him Hitler, while open antisemitism has grown louder on the left itself. That kind of hypocrisy is part of what turns people off. You can’t scream “fascism!” and then tolerate or downplay bigotry in your own backyard just because it’s politically inconvenient.

HYPOCRISY turns people off but somehow it is only a problem for the left?! Bigotry is the calling card of the right.

by Anonymousreply 150June 7, 2025 7:39 PM

[quote]I think the Republican Party will collapse post-Trump.

We already see it. Trump does not have coattails. When he's no longer on the ticket, that's it for MAGA. Trump is a once in a lifetime figure; there is no one in that movement who can get people like he can. They're saying DJ may run, but even his dad couldn't bring him over the finish line.

by Anonymousreply 151June 7, 2025 7:39 PM

"They also supported NAFTA, which gutted American manufacturing and cost hundreds of thousands of union jobs — again, working-class families paid the price."

Now show me how Republicans are attempting to undo those Democratic votes. Show me how the Republicans plan to make life better for working class families and not just some bullshit "Make America Great Again" campaign slogan.

Show me how the Republicans plan to protect the working classes against mass incarceration and militarized local police. Again, show me how the Republicans and Trump plan to protect the working classes. If Trump has his way, 1/2 the Mexican population in the US, whether they're here legally or illegally, will end up in prison in El Salvador.

The Democrats are far from perfect. But if you for one nano second think life for the working classes will be better under Trump and the Republicans, you are seriously stupid and delusional.

"Moral outrage only works when it’s consistent."

R144, you want to know what moral outrage is? Moral outrage is when a pampered, molly coddled overgrown, perpetual adolescent claims he is the way and the light, and only He can solve all of the United States problems. Moral outrage is when said individual and his party wipe their fetid, entitled asses with the US Constitution on a daily basis. Moral outrage is when a convicted felon sits in the Oval Office and claims there are too many law breaking immigrants in the country. Moral outrage is when the POTUS leads an armed insurrection against the US government because this overgrown man child FEELS (not has concrete evidence, but FEELS) an election has been stolen from him. Moral outrage is someone who has never served his country in his entire life (and may not even pay taxes) threatens to cut funding to the organization that supports and protects the people who did.

Now you and all of your "stuck in the middle" can take your self-righteous moral outrage and shove it up your asses.

by Anonymousreply 152June 7, 2025 7:40 PM

I think the idea that MAGA will not survive Trump is wishful thinking.

Whoever comes next may not gave Trump’s “charisma,” but they will know what buttons to push to keep the machine going.

by Anonymousreply 153June 7, 2025 7:44 PM

Thanks r152

by Anonymousreply 154June 7, 2025 7:46 PM

It's the whole philosophy of the Republicans is a lie. It's what the old Confederate States of America had and it failed then because it always fails. It's the way these people look at the world. What is hard to believe that Americans, university educated for the most part, could ever fall for it: that's the scary part.

by Anonymousreply 155June 7, 2025 7:47 PM

WaPo: Trump threatens ‘very serious consequences’ if Musk backs Democrats

Trump warns his former ally against backing Democratic candidates to challenge Republicans, as a messy feud between the two escalates.

by Anonymousreply 156June 7, 2025 7:58 PM

Trump rode and smartly took advantage of an established movement that had been building in the US for many decades. Before any of us were alive, And trump jumped on and rode that movement to victory

“Only those that don’t know American history think Trump created the movement”.

( that is a sign that should greet every visitor to Shrine of the Little Flower Church and School in Royal Oak Mi )

by Anonymousreply 157June 7, 2025 8:04 PM

R129/R139, why do you keep moving the goal posts? Is it because your flimsy arguments that Republicans are the new champions of the working class not only don't hold water, but have more holes that a sieve?

by Anonymousreply 158June 7, 2025 8:07 PM

Musk is a horrible person who is not even amazingly smart. And instead of courting the money, let's work on removing money from politics.

by Anonymousreply 159June 7, 2025 8:11 PM

R159 yes let’s remove the money. You kind of have to win first. And maybe pull a GOP and win all 3 houses of govt.

Otherwise it’s just 5th grade play talk for losers ,

by Anonymousreply 160June 7, 2025 8:16 PM

Don’t count on MAGA dying with Trump. the Democrats are now the white elite plus POC and POC are deserting in droves. Dems are seen as the party of Karen’s telling you what to think and calling you names when you don’t agree

by Anonymousreply 161June 7, 2025 8:17 PM

Once again, R161, you're simply spouting your bullshit opinions without offering up concrete proof to back up your lame assertions:

I will guarantee you this: if that idiot Trump causes the US economy to crash and burn, you can rest assured all of those leaving the Democratic party now will come scurrying back to the Democrats.

by Anonymousreply 162June 7, 2025 8:23 PM

Another weekend, another invasion of trolls...

It's hard being unfuckable and with everybody shunning you - think of Defuckto and the autistic, racist, gender conflicted DoorDasher from Salinas.

by Anonymousreply 163June 7, 2025 10:09 PM

Donald: "THEY'RE EATING THE DOGS! THEY'RE EATING THE CATS!"

Kamala: "I have a plan for small business startups to receive $50,000 in a tax subsidy."

Yeah, she was terrible. We don't want that.

by Anonymousreply 164June 7, 2025 10:29 PM

Never has the phrase "die in a grease fire" seemed more appropriate

by Anonymousreply 165June 7, 2025 10:50 PM

R150 Exactly so when the left acts like bigots, it’s hypocrisy.

by Anonymousreply 166June 7, 2025 10:55 PM

[quote]Instead of conjuring up a new Joe Rogan, ask yourself why you lost the old one,” Maher challenged.

He made a fortune and embraced the rich man tax cuts.

by Anonymousreply 167June 7, 2025 10:57 PM

R152 You’re proving my point — instead of addressing the failures of the Democratic Party, you launch into a tirade about Trump, throw insults, and call anyone who doesn’t worship your version of moral clarity “delusional.”

I’m not defending Trump. I’m saying Democrats are losing working-class voters because they stopped listening. If your response to that is “well Republicans are worse,” then congratulations — you’re choosing to ignore the very real reasons voters are walking away.

This isn’t about “both sides.” It’s about holding your own side accountable before it collapses under the weight of its own arrogance.

by Anonymousreply 168June 7, 2025 10:57 PM

R158 I’m not moving goalposts, I’m expanding the conversation you keep trying to shrink into a binary.

I never said Republicans are the new champions of the working class. I said Democrats have increasingly failed the working class, and if you can’t admit that without screaming “but Republicans are worse,” you’re not having an honest conversation, you’re playing team sports.

Citing the 1994 Crime Bill, NAFTA, and the shift toward tech elites and Wall Street isn’t moving the goalposts. It’s holding your own party accountable. If that threatens your narrative, maybe the problem isn’t where the posts are. Maybe it’s that the goal was never real.

by Anonymousreply 169June 7, 2025 11:00 PM

Ro Khanna will be on MSNBC in a few minutes to pose the question should Democrats “court” Elon Musk. I say hell no — just because he’s fighting with Dump doesn’t suddenly make him a decent human being. And would that really be what the party’s working-class base wants to see? Somehow I doubt it but then I’m no political strategist, so perhaps I’m wrong.

by Anonymousreply 170June 7, 2025 11:14 PM

I've been a Democrat my whole life and I'm old. If Joe Rogan and Elon Musk come back, I'm gone. No way in hell will I be in the same party as those creepy sociopaths. Ro Khanna is bad enough.

by Anonymousreply 171June 7, 2025 11:54 PM

Doesn't Billy boy know that the SNL cast are millionaires so they're in the upper 5% of the population?

The "poor mean SNL rich" chased out "goddy goody Musky" into another party...

by Anonymousreply 172June 8, 2025 12:13 AM

With MSNBC & CNN yapping about Abrego Garcia, and still George Floyd, excessively, Democrats are not winning new voters.

Democracy is being dismantled before our eyes, and individual victimology and identity politics remain the prime focus.

by Anonymousreply 173June 8, 2025 1:11 AM

And I suggest Maher to go fuck himself into another dimension.

by Anonymousreply 174June 8, 2025 1:29 AM

I'm glad this important intellectual figure has weighed in on the matter.

by Anonymousreply 175June 8, 2025 1:33 AM

Someone above said that Maher is Jewish. He's not. He is Atheist. He was raised Catholic, and his family left the church when he was a child, because his dad didn't want more than two kids.

He is almost 70, and his girlfriend of ten years is 43. I guarantee you there will be a baby within the next two years. His girlfriend will demand a baby because she'll want something after he's dead and gone. (Just like Greg Gutfield did with his 20-years-younger 40-something wife after years of swearing off kids.)

by Anonymousreply 176June 8, 2025 1:35 AM

Is Bill still porking Ann Coulter?

by Anonymousreply 177June 8, 2025 1:48 AM

[quote]His girlfriend will demand a baby because she'll want a guaranteed lock on his money after he's dead and gone.

FIFY, R176.

by Anonymousreply 178June 8, 2025 2:07 AM

No, R177, Maher only dates women who are 20+ years younger than him. So Ann Coulter is not a potential partner for him.

by Anonymousreply 179June 8, 2025 2:14 AM

[quote] His girlfriend will demand a baby because she'll want something after he's dead and gone.

And here's my beloved child, Souvenir.

by Anonymousreply 180June 8, 2025 2:19 AM

Weenie Musk just removed all his anti-Trump tweets after Trump’s threats

by Anonymousreply 181June 8, 2025 4:50 AM
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