Significant loss of international tourism to US and decline in international travel by Americans

#winning

#somuchwinning

The US is such a laughing stock it's close to being a pariah state. No country on Earth takes it seriously. Even Russia is laughing at it.

I’m loathe to travel now with stories about people getting harassed about their political beliefs and loyalty when returning to the country.

As an American, I would not travel here either.

What R3 says is unfortunately true.

The current state of things is unbelievable, and only likely to get worse as Trump anesthetizes/normalizes the harassment (and much worse) of everyone foreign, and anyone American.

I just started wearing my MAKE AMERICA GO AWAY ball cap and people keep stopping me to ask where they can buy one.

This was obviously going to be inevitable result of Trump's actions.

Last November Americans fucked around. Now they're finding out.

I’m not seeing any reduction in travel prices.

We already got too damn many feriners here.

Well sadly, most of the places people come here to see are in blue states. California being one of the biggest of them. NYC as well. How many people from France book a flight to travel all the way across the Atlantic to visit Tulsa Oklahoma? Or even a bigger city like Huston Texas? Not many.

Only $12 billion?

R13, the most visited state for international tourists is deep red Florida.

DO NOT VISIT THE US NOW!

[quote] I’m not seeing any reduction in travel prices.

That's cause you're single.

r4

[quote]I’m loathe to travel now with stories about people getting harassed about their political beliefs and loyalty when returning to the country.

Entering or re-entering the U.S. as a U.S. citizen, even with Global Entry and other fast track programs is not always the most agreeable of international entries. I moved outside the U.S. some years ago, and there's almost no chance in hell I would visit in these next four years at least.

I returned from an international trip yesterday. The line was very long for entry but it moved amazingly fast. There were just cameras used to identify U.S. passport holders and no need to show a passport. It really was a breeze and no worse than the process I experienced landing in Europe two weeks ago. The only silly thing is having to retrieve your luggage off of the carousel and then wheel it over to have it taken back by the airline for connecting flight.

I fully support people avoiding us for travel. I too am trying to direct any travel money to blue states or other countries only.

But the fear of harassment at entry is a whole lot of exaggeration. If you had a 99.8% chance of no issues before, you have a 99.6% chance today. Social media and clickbait media is expert at taking freaky edge cases and blowing them out of proportion and representing them as being the standard experience. I’ve had about 8 international entries since Trump took office, and I haven’t seen so much as a whisper of anything being different on any level.

Agreed, R21. I recall one case where the woman entering told CBP she was coming to work. Turns out she didn't have the correct paperwork for that status. Yet, she was hailed as a "Trump victim".

Seems like a justification for a lot of anti-American sentiment that already existed.

R22, No, that case was that she had done some babysitting to help pay for the apartment she stayed in. CBP took that as “work” and sent her to the standard ICE gulag

Come to the US your own risk.

Yesterday, there was video of a Chilean woman, in NYC on vacation with her 12 year old daughter, suddenly handcuffed and arrested near Madison Square Garden. They forced her into a black car, leaving her 12 year old daughter to fend for herself on the street. They ultimately released her 8 hours later, admitting their mistake.

THIS COULD HAPPEN TO NY TOURIST

I was hopjng Covid would kill off those fucking tour buses clogging up NYC streets but maybe this will finally do it.

[quote]the fear of harassment at entry is a whole lot of exaggeration.

I've watched a number of vlogs by European YouTube creators who have traveled to the U.S. this year and who have informed their followers that they experienced none of the issues that the press and others have been trying to convince travelers are a common occurrence.

[quote]I recall one case where the woman entering told CBP she was coming to work. Turns out she didn't have the correct paperwork for that status.

It is a lesson though. Don't travel to the U.S. on a tourist visa and then do any kind of work in exchange for something of value and expect to get away with it. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

[quote]I was hopjng Covid would kill off those fucking tour buses clogging up NYC streets but maybe this will finally do it.

All the street crime and murders in NYC should reduce tourism there, but if people are still willing to risk death or severe bodily injury by traveling to NYC, the additional "threat" of immigration enforcement isn't going to affect things much.

R23 Actually, it was Canada that rejected her entry and then when she got walked back to the US, they handled her accordingly. But that part of the story always gets buried.

In my small Floriduh beach town Dec-April the boycott of the Canadian snow birds has caused the condo & AirBnd market to collapse. All redneck Trumper bartenders,cooks,waitresses,waiters and poll dancers were laid off. Karma suks for Curtis & Charleen.

There are AirBnDs? Sign me up!

I love it, R29.

I hope they fucking suffer.

[Quote] Actually, it was Canada that rejected her entry and then when she got walked back to the US, they handled her accordingly. But that part of the story always gets buried.

Shackling her and sticking her in a gulag for days doesn’t count as “accordingly”

Immigration is mainly going after brown people and bloggers who may write anti-Israeli stuff.

[Quote] All redneck Trumper bartenders,cooks,waitresses,wa - iters and poll dancers were laid off

Good. Let’s hope for mass suicide

Most people I know are cutting back on travel and spending due to the uncertainty of the US economy.

And why would foreign travelers want to come here? The US is a cesspool of crazy isolationist policy right now.

R26 thinks people should be detained by ICE for the "crime" of babysitting 🙄

R27, New York actually doesn't have a high homicide rate compared to most big cities. Miami (which has a GOP mayor) actually has a higher violent crime rate than New York. Maybe you didn't know that, since Fox loves to talk about crime in New York while ignoring crime in more conservative areas

There are great flight deals all over the place. Many seats have opened up. There are 400rt NY-Europe tickets for fall. And Latin America now, which is usually high season, 300rt to a bunch of cities. 200 to PR with a lot of flights for a quick trip, it's cheaper than any NY/NJ beach weekend. Aruba too. Since most airlines let you hold for 24 hours you have a chance to think about it and look at hotels.

Cement-headed GOP/MAGAts pride themselves on being "the party of business", but over at least the last hundred years THEY ARE TERRIBLE for business!

Lower growth, higher debt, shitty jobs record, financial disasters, recessions! Only true morons think that economics improves by electing Republicans! Only the opposite has ever been true.

R39, yep. Dem presidents create more jobs and the GDP has grown more under Dem presidents. Despite the "tax and spend" Republican smears Trump added more to the debt than Biden, Obama, or Clinton

[quote]the most visited state for international tourists is deep red Florida.

that does not count, 90% of that is people going to Disney World, not the state for it's natural beauty or cultural history.

R32 When she was handed over with suspicion from Canada, that automatically stacked the deck against her. U.S. agents went on overdrive thinking “what’s going on here, there must be more to this story”. Not saying these cases don’t exist or defending how some people are handled. I’m saying edge cases like this have always existed, even before Trump if you can believe it, but are getting over represented and fed into a narrative that ignites into the frenzy.

All that said, I totally understand people not wanting to come here and I support them. I just don’t think fear of this stuff is a particularly valid reason for 99% of normal people. If you have a popular podcast titled “Trump belongs on trial in The Hague”, then you have my full support but yeah, probably best for you to stay away.

I wonder if the NYC Marathon in November will be affected.

R20, how did they identify US passport holders if they didn't have to show their passport?

[quote]poll dancers were laid off

Poll dancers? That must be fun! Something to look at while you wait to cast your ballot!

BTW, when I flew back into Orlando from Panama last week, at least a third of the people on the plane were planning to visit Disney and the other theme parks. There was a group who had matching sweatshirts (boy, were [italic]they[/italic] gonna be hot!), and my seatmate, accompanied by his wife and kids, was asking me questions about the beaches and Busch Gardens. Most of the passengers were [bold]not[/bold] Panamanians; Copa Air has a "stopover in Panama" program, so many of them were actually from Colombia and points south.

[quote]that does not count, 90% of that is people going to Disney World, not the state for it's natural beauty or cultural history.

And pray tell, that doesn't count because...? I'm thinking the oodles of cash they bring into the state of Florida every swingin' day counts for [italic]something.[/italic] And trust me when I tell you that these people just couldn't wait to get to Disney.

R44: we have new technology that matches a photo on arrival to the one on file in your passport.

R41, they spend a lot of money, dummy, which is the point of the thread. All those hotel rooms, meals, souvenirs and theme park tickets add a huge amount to the Florida economy.

Does it "not count" because ir's not the sort of vacation you would take? You sound really out of touch.

Vegas is seeing a slow down as well.

I want Florida, Nevada and to a certain degree Maine to really take it up the ass, and not in the good way, for their Trump support!

My expat friend was visiting from Germany with her half Turkish husband and their kids and they were held at customs for.9 hours. For no reason. She literally still has an American passport. Her kids and husband are a little dark, but she's been making this trip back to the states for years and this time she was legitimately fearful. She's not coming back for 3 more years

You lost me at "literally" R50. The overuse and or misuse of that word is exhausting.

[quote] Vegas is seeing a slow down as well.

Could be their $50 minimum tables on a Tuesday at 11am.

I doubt that r52, cheap trash like yourself that find that outrageous are mostly from red states, not from outside the country.

I live in CA, practice law and grew up on Martha's Vineyard you fucking idiot.

Vegas is seeing a slow down as well.

I can't even sell half the tickets for a 5000 seat venue for my entire Las Vegas residency of shame. Every night I perform to a mostly empty venue.

[quote]There are great flight deals all over the place. Many seats have opened up. There are 400rt NY-Europe tickets for fall. And Latin America now, which is usually high season, 300rt to a bunch of cities. 200 to PR with a lot of flights for a quick trip, it's cheaper than any NY/NJ beach weekend. Aruba too. Since most airlines let you hold for 24 hours you have a chance to think about it and look at hotels.

I want to go to England and Scotland this fall, and I'm not seeing the same prices. When do they usually go on sale for fall?

Smell R54. She grew up in Martha's Vineyards and we all need to know that for her to validate that she's not white trash. As if that makes a difference. There is trash in every state regardless of where you grew up. R54 is a perfect example of that.