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At this point Bernie and AOC need to seriously consider starting a new party. The Democrats are beyond help as long as these corrupt and out of touch geriatrics stay at the helm, and they will never voluntarily let go of their control over the party.

A dramatic shakeup left of center is unavoidable. 2028 is still a ways to go, it's better that shakeup happens sooner rather than later.

Centrists aka meddlers,

you fucked up the republican party with your bs and now you're reaching across the aisle to fuck the democrats

Once again, the Dems need to make a concerted effort to reach out to the working people and try to destroy the image of being for the coastal " elites," which is exactly the opposite of how the two parties were viewed not too long ago. Dems must stop making men the villains, focus totally on economic issues, eschew radical social ideas, and actually work to make the party all-inclusive and not dismiss a large voting block. Whatever, they can no longer show weakness, saying " We are powerless," and settling for strongly worded letters.

[quote]The Democrats trying to understand young American men know people are roasting their plan. All that mocking just proves their point, they said: Democrats aren’t taking this disaffected and politically alienated voting bloc seriously enough.

[quote]It “reaffirms what young men already think, that Democrats don’t want to invest in you,” said Ilyse Hogue, who co-founded the Speaking with American Men project.

[quote]“Democrats are seen as weak, whereas Republicans are seen as strong,” Hogue said. “Young men also spoke of being invisible to the Democratic coalition, and so you’ve got this weak problem and then you’ve got this, ‘I don’t think they care about me’ problem, and I think the combination is kind of a killer.”

Critics will mock the findings and call the young men soft and entitled, but election results speak for themselves. Ignore and keep losing.

None of that means Dems need to be the second party of oligarchs r3. It is possible to reach out to young men without being 100% funded by billionaires and terrified of doing anything, ever, at any time, that upsets billionaires. In fact, nothing looks weaker than being kinda sorta maybe a little for the working class, but only if every member of the Murdoch and Walton families has signed off on it first.

I don't remember saying anything like that, R4. I did mention the " coastal elites," of which the billionaires and celebrities are integral parts. The problem with Dems is that they have a purity test, just as the MAGAts do. If you purport to have the big umbrella, you cannot have a purity test.

We don't need a purity test. We do need a willingness to break with billionaires and the ruling class, and having a movement overwhelmingly funded by the ownership class is not a great step in that direction. It's not that billionaires aren't allowed to be Democrats or support us. It's that the mentality that says, as long as billionaires are happy, everybody's happy, can't be the driving force. Too often, it is. Similarly, rejoicing in funding levels cause a few rich people are making all the big donations is a surefire way to lose sight of the goal: winning elections. If you want to hate the left, fine, but don't pretend that the wise alternative is to join the Republicans in some mindless Feed the Rich strategy. That will get you sleek campaigns and nice, well funded conferences, and no doubt some kind notices from the corporate media, but will do jack shit to actually win votes and solve any real electoral problems.

Of course we don't need a purity test, but there is one.

R1 seems to think the country is just waiting for some lefty savior to lead them all to the promised land. How self-delusional. You really don't know how to read the room, as it were.

I’m not clear on what a Centrist actually is.

R9 A conservative who isn't fully psychotic

R9 Centrists range from center-right to center-left--they are usually atheist or at least not politically motivated by religion; educated; capitalist; warhawkish; socially liberal but uninterested in "wokeism" and opposing of social democracy; big believers in "American exceptionalism" without being aggressively jingoistic; big fans of the Washington Post.

a centrist is a busybody, once republican, who insists on "helping" the democrats now that the republican party has been consumed by maga,

by help i mean destroy.

The establishment Democrat’s version of centrism is basically acting like a Republican while insisting that they care about minorities.

Keeping Americans employed and/or not starving through AI should be the top concern for any future leader, like exponentially more important than even environmental issues. But humans are so short sighted and hate facing hard economic realities, like how to fund the future or prevent mass starvation. Nevertheless, it needs to be simple and clear to be effective IMO, “Which candidates want work for able-bodied people? Which ones want seniors eating and housed at least? Which ones couldn’t care less?” Then questions about science, long-term strategic thinking, and geopolitics need to follow suit in a clear fashion. Politicians have got to reign in the constant economic lies, and support metrics that mean something to people again.

At a higher level, maybe centrist dems need a proposal for a new form of corporation, meant to last for a long time legally ahead of blind profit-seeking. Somthingn to piggyback off of men’s competitiveness, make them feel like they’re not losing by saving their fellow man’s life. Maybe a new Christian centrist denomination to court the middle class, feel-good, non-orthodox believers who hate Trump. Whatever the solution, whether it comes from the true left or the center, it’s going to have to somehow save this country’s soul.

Saying centrists are phony Democrats who don't care about minorities, as R13 does, is patently untrue. They just don't see themselves as necessarily aligned with AOC or Bernie and they feel a more productive kind of politics resides in the middle of he political spectrum.

There was a union busting speech at this ridiculous event lol. Our future is completely cooked.

Centrists Dems will win elections in flyover states. They are needed. AOC can squat and touch herself as far as I am concerned.

Centrists will not save the Dems. More and more people, especially younger generations, are refusing to engage in participatory conformity in order to keep going with a broken, corrupt, and dying status quo. This includes playing the "vote for the lesser of 2 evils" game. Trump and his govt of yes men and women don't even follow established protocols, laws, the constitution, etc. This is a lawless administration so why are these centrist fools trying to resurrect a structure of politics and governing that has already expired? Build something new from the rubble, instead of tiptoeing around the ridiculous machismo bluster of the current administration.

More and more people are refusing to accept tranny ideology.

R6 You make an excellent point. Even last year when it seem like weekly Kamala was breaking some fund raising record, I was like but why aren’t the polls moving.