I still can’t wrap my head around the liberal and gay love affair with Gaza

Not that many gays support Gaza. It's just kind of trendy among the young ones.

Colossal ignorance. They don’t know history.

Many consider the retaliation from Israel to be over the top and the takeover of almost all of Palestine over the 8 decades or so to be too coincidental.

In other words, people aren't buying the "israeli jews protecting themselves from terrorists" reasoning.

It gives cover to liberals and blacks to be anti-sematic.

OP for me it's not some "love affair." I just hate the way they have been treated by Israel and Netanyahu is a fucking bully and a criminal. He's Israel's Trump. IMO it's live and let live. I don't care who you are, when they turn whole city into rubble and bomb hospitals and kill women and children and deliberately block aid so they can starve people out, the goal is clear. They want to wipe these people off the face of the earth. Take it over and build hotels?

They're all retarded faggots who hate black people, that's why.

Now stream my new single "Anna Wintour" on Spotify.

Being anti Netanyahu is not being anti semitic.

Never underestimate the hatred of Jews.

It's because progressives don't exist unless they're championing some oppressed group. The smaller the group, the better. Brown people on the other side of the planet? Perfect! They also love protests and marches more than they love governing, hence so many of them sitting out the election despite Biden literally paying them off with student debt relief. I swear we deserve Trump because we can be so fucking dumb, the other side plays us like a fiddle at this point.

Oh, and then of course there's the antisemitism of it all. Where was this hysteria when China put Uighurs into concentration camps en masse? Or over Sudan's civil war strife? Not interesting because it's the blacks fucking each other up, I guess. I saw many of these people being against Biden arming Ukraine as well. Couldn't be more transparent.

r9 is too intelligent to be posting here.

I don't understand why someone who isn't a conservative would side with Netanyahu. He is a far right Trumpster.

If you call yourself a liberal, why are you siding with Trump and his allies?

And pretending you care about antisemitism when you love Nick Fuentes, Candace Owens, and Stew Peters is hilarious 😂

Conservatives "support Israel" because they think Jesus will return to the holy land. They don't care about Jews

R11 I never said Netanyahu is a good guy. I’m just questioning the liberals who are falling all over themselves to protect evil people who have shown consistently that they don’t want peace.

The Palestinians are coded as “oppressed” and “brown” while the Israeli’s are coded as “privileged” and “white.” That is the end of the analysis under progressive orthodoxy.

R14 What about the brown Israelis and the Palestinians who look white?

R13, are babies and toddlers "evil people" who deserve to be starved? Is ethnic cleansing okay if it's against people you don't like?

And as for people who don't want peace...Netanyahu doesn't

R2 nailed it

Yes. War is terrible. It can be heartbreaking when civilians are killed, especially children. However it was the Palestinians’ own government that chose to start this war by invading Israel and slaughtering its people and by continuing to hold civilians hostage to this day

That is apparently of zero significance to the humanitarians of the left.

To me, it’s like asking me to weep for the citizens of Berlin in World War II or to mourn the Russians killed in Ukraine. At some level I can do it, but it’s not my primary concern.

if you think you understand who is good and who is bad and who has been attacking who and for what reasons then I strongly suggest you watch the really great mini series The Little Drummer Girl.

You won’t come away knowing the answers but at least you will understand it’s not a good vs evil issue. A really good series based on a great book.

Read a wiki first

R19 I know who is good and who is bad.

People who kill men for being gay = bad.

Men who murder their own daughters for shaming the family = bad.

Violent Muslims = bad.

People who don’t do and aren’t these things = good.

[quote]It gives cover to liberals and blacks to be anti-sematic.

So liberals and blacks are against the use of a warning, especially regarding danger, like the bright colors of a poisonous animals?

If you want to be an ignorant, race-baiting asshole, check your spelling and definitions first. Then go fuck yourself, R4.

R20 what about people with an air force who drop bombs on innocent civilians and blow and burn them to death.

Are these the good or the bad people? Careful this might be a trick question,

[quote]And pretending you care about antisemitism when you love Nick Fuentes, Candace Owens, and Stew Peters is hilarious

A lot of Conservatives back Israel because they hate Muslims/Arabs. A lot of Conservatives back Palestine because they hate Jews and are being funded by Iran/Qatar money.

[quote][R20] what about people with an air force who drop bombs on innocent civilians and blow and burn them to death. Are these the good or the bad people? Careful this might be a trick question,

Oh America and Britain bombed the shit out of people in the 1940s and they were definitely the good guys!

OP doesn't realize most Israeli's hate Netanyahu and are disgusted with this entire situation.

To whom do those Israelis belong???

[quote]OP doesn't realize most Israeli's hate Netanyahu and are disgusted with this entire situation.

Oh I think OP is acutely aware that Israel is as polarised as any country.

OP is acutely aware that the people killed in the kibbutzim and at the Nova festival were anti Netanyahu liberals who wanted peace.

And I imagine OP knows that the "Globalise the Intifada" brigade still think Hamas were right to murder, rape, torture and kidnap them.

R24 this is what the remf s don’t usually understand. It’s not about good vs bad , it’s about incoming and outgoing. Once the incoming and outgoing stops the winners will decide who the good guys are.

Incoming and outgoing. All else is hot air and bullshit.

It's our addiction to narratives. We cannot fathom a world in which both sides of the conflict are assholes. The true victims are the innocents manipulated and killed by malignant actors on both sides.

The lesson of all of it: There is no lesson, because this is not a fucking fairy tale.

[quote] A lot of Conservatives back Palestine because they hate Jews and are being funded by Iran/Qatar money.

Which conservatives back Palestine? That would get you thrown out of the club. Unless you’re talking about the lunatic fringe, who may be on the right but are by no means conservative.

How come all the energy expended by the gays regarding Palestine is never focused on improving the rights of gays in Muslim countries.

The great irony is that the success of the Israeli right is almost entirely due to the influence of the Israelis who were expelled from Arab lands and their descendants. The European-based Israelis tend to be more liberal.

When people talk about “ethnic cleansing” they tend to ignore that history.

Um, how about they're both horrible and we all just stay out of it and let them blow each other up

Quite a few Israelis (quoting religious texts) believe that NO Palestinian is innocent and that Israel won't truly ever be safe until every single Palestinian man, woman and child has been killed (even if they have no affiliation with Hamas whatsoever).

Same exact thing white people did to the Native Americans. Took their land and nearly wiped them out because God "spoke" to them and promised it to them. Murder is wrong unless God personally tells you to do it apparently.

A recent poll showed that 47% of Israelis supporting killing every single man, woman, and child in Gaza. That doesn't seem like an ethical problem?

Quite a few Israelis display traits of narcissistic sociopathy. Mocking the cries and deaths of innocent Palestinian children and laughing about it is clearly not normal.

That 47% is probably made up mostly of the Sephardic Jews who were expelled from Arab lands and their descendants plus religious fundamentalists who are no better than Muslim fundamentalists except that they don’t kill people themselves. They let others do it for them.

I suspect that number was far, far lower before October 7.

The left demonized Israel because Rhodesia no longer exists. Atrocities are being committed all over the 3rd world but because the perps aren’t white it’s for the most part ignored.

I just can’t stand opening my social media every day and going “oh great. Here’s another pointless debate about goddamn Israel”. Neither side is blameless in this situation.

R32, The Ashkenazi Jews of Israel are not “European based.” That anti-Semitic trope goes all the way back to 1948. Btw, the Mizrahi Jews who were expelled from Muslim countries (close to 1 million in number) were never compensated for the loss of their land/possessions.

R35, double that number for “Palestinians” who want every Jew of Israel dead. Look up the series “Ask a Palestinian/Jew” on YouTube for a dose of reality.

And the psychopathic “Palestinians” who cheer the death of every Jew, R36?

I can't understand why you would bomb a country into the Stone Age to vanquish a small band of terrorists.

Would Biden have leveled Idaho looking for The Proud Boys?

I still cannot understand why you would behead 40 infants and toddlers, then burn their bodies to vanquish a small group of farmers on a kibbutz. Would Hamas level Tel Aviv to drive the Jews into the sea?

Is there a liberal and gay love affair? Seems like a fairly small, if vocal, subset of those groups.

[quote] I still cannot understand why you would behead 40 infants and toddlers, then burn their bodies to vanquish a small group of farmers on a kibbutz.

This didn’t happen?