Elon Musk: "Without me, Trump would have lost the election"

You got played, bitch!

Reports that Steven Miller's wife Katie has left him for Musk.

How is our fate in the hands of these scummy soap opera dictators?

bag o’rats. 🐀

We need the receipts for your vote stealing Elon. Donald doesn't love you anymore, so why not tell all.

I'd normally be rolling my eyes at this because it's so predictable. Given this, I hope they tear each other to shreds; I hope they rip each other apart. Let the feces fly, assholes.

Steven Miller has a WIFE? He is the single most repellant person on earth, in every way.

Vote counting machines by MAGA companies didn’t help.

Really, R2, that's funny. So after he knocks her up and dumps her, will bargain basement Voldemort take her back when she comes crawling back, heavy with Musk spawn?

Please pass the popcorn. No extra butter needed 🍿

Miller and Musk have unfollowed each other on X. Musk has turned in profile picture black.

I’m much less interested in the Miller wife scandal, and much more interested in the Trump-would-have-lost-without-Elon scandal.

NYT: Trump Threatens to Cut Elon Musk’s Government Contracts as Feud Escalates

🍿🍿🍿

I. LOVE. LOVE. LOVE. THIS!

So predictable. But still surprisingly delicious.

This will make a great cheesy TV movie someday.

It's hard to believe it's real because both Musk and Trump gain by becoming enemies. Could be all a sham

Remember when Dump was helping Musk shill his cars on the front lawn of the WH? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

NYT: “The stock price of Tesla has been nose-diving today as Elon Musk and President Trump go at each other. The stock is now down about 8 percent as of midday, with the decline timed to when Trump’s comments began.”

This is no sham, R16. This is exactly what we all thought would happen--what always happens with Dump and any idiot who deliberately comes into contact with him.

Why does the Ojays song "Backstabbers" from 1972 keep playing in my head?

Hacking the voting machines is easy peasy to a top tech guy and the richest man in the world. His team is lightyears ahead of election officials. Of course, the media will try to gaslight us and say that it could never happen.

I love this sooooooo much! Of course this was going to happen eventually…. But within 6 months? Absolutely delicious.

Everything Trump Touches Dies

It could never happen because voting machines are not connected to the internet and ballots are physical objects. We’re not stupid enough to conduct elections online.

This isn't about voting booth conspiracies but hundreds of millions spent to elect Republicans. Which they will sorely miss in 2026. Elon give that $ to Dems plese.

R20 Im hearing Eminems 'Without Me', although my mood has been in the toilet today.

NYT: Tesla’s stock price slide has continued. The company is now down over 13 percent for the day, close to its worst drop of the year, which came in mid-March.

Saw this on another thread:

[quote]Reports that Steven Miller's wife Katie has left him for Musk.

Miller's wife, Katie, left the Trump regime to go work for Musk. She's didn't leave Miller to become Elon's baby mama. At least not yet.

This breakup is HYUGE!!

It's a contender, right up there with Madonna versus Sean Penn!

How would Musk know what's in the Epstein files?

The girls are fighting!

R20.

(What they do?) (They smilin' in your face) Smiling faces, smiling faces sometimes tell lies (Back stabbers) (They smilin' in your face) I don't need low-down, dirty bastards (Back stabbers) (They smilin' in your face) Da-da, da-da-da, da-da-da-da (Back stabbers) Might be your neighbor (They smilin' in your face) Your next door neighbor, yeah (Back stabbers).

Trump responds to Musk's truth bomb in r28. Trump threatens to revoke Musk's government subsidies and contracts.

Part of me thinks that this is a diversion, to keep us from talking about the BBB. But part of me doesn’t care, let the cat fight begin!

Which came first r34?

Oh, but this is getting so down and dirty so fast. Mudwrestlers in the undrained swamp, so dignified!

Whether it's just for show or diversion, I hope they both legally incriminate each other to the point of no return.

I am not sure. It may be Trump fired the first shot, but time stamps on their tweets - yes, this is all by tweet - are almost identical. It's hard to tell. '

This is almost enough to get me to reactivate my Twitter account, just to watch it play out in real time.

That's why I asked you r39. I can't figure it out.

My money's on the African-American! 😂

TACO! It's what's for dinner.

TRUSKGATE

This is like having to decide whether to root for Satan or Chtulhu.

I look at it from the standpoint, that Musk was one of few who didn't play Trump. He stood his ground and that is going to be partly to the Beautiful Big Bill going down.

Didn’t even last 6 months. Couldn’t have happened to a nicer couple. Hope they both rot in hell.

What'd I ever do to you, R46?!

Has this become a bigger feud than Vicki Lawrence and Air Supply? (previously this years biggest story).

Trump and Elmo should fight this out MMA style in a cage.

This seems very performative to try and make us cocky.

I’ll believe it when this lasts beyond an end of the week news cycle.

Hey Elmo, tell us about the diapers

"Alexis, I didn't thank you for your present."

R48, this is new to me....

Call me silly, but I'm not buying it - yet. It could all be a big show to cause another distraction.

(Off-topic: I'd forgotten this was another month of April casualty!)

Elon just dropped the "E" bomb!!!

The “E” bomb means this is real.

Even the most intense, purest love in the world doesn't last! Here's Elon's tweet from February 2025:

[quote] I love Donald Trump as much as a straight man can love another man.

😭😭😭😭😭😭

[quote] Elon just dropped the "E" bomb!!!

I don't know what that means. Would you please be more explicit?

Now the NYTimes has reported KANYE has weighed in--crying like a child watching his parents bickering!

[quote] Kanye West, the performer and Trump supporter who has a history of anti-Semitic and other controversial comments, is now encouraging Trump and Musk to end their quarrel.

[quote]“Broooos please noooooo,” he wrote on X, Musk’s platform, with an emoji of two individuals hugging one another. “We love you both so much.”

EPSTEIN, r59.

He says Trump is in the Epstein files. Well, no fucking shit.

R59 it’s fucking Epstein.

Also from the NYTimes site:

[quote]Stephen K. Bannon, who has been one of the most vocal critics of Musk for months, said he is advising the president to cancel all of Musk’s contracts and launch several investigations into the world’s richest man.

[quote]“They should initiate a formal investigation of his immigration status because I am of the strong belief that he is an illegal alien, and he should be deported from the country immediately,” he said in a phone interview with me.

[quote]Bannon said the Trump administration should also investigate Musk’s drug use, as reported by The Times, and his effort to get a classified briefing on China from the Pentagon, which was also reported by The Times. Bannon said Musk’s security clearance should be suspended during these investigations.

"My name's Bennett and I ain't in it."

I don’t buy the distraction argument for anything Trump does because he’s all Id and impulse.

"Without me, there wouldn't be any Paramount Studios."

Elon Desmond!

Oh I hope that makes Elmo even angrier r64

Mind your business and keep out of it, Steve Bannon; we know your ways.

Musk just re-tweeted and agreed with call for Trump to be impeached and replaced by Vance.

This got serious so quickly.

And will this ever contribute to a national consensus on how crazy and unstable these kooks are??

I'm good with Dump taking away all of Elmo's government largesse.

I'm waiting to hear how Azaelia Banks feels about this in order to know which side to take.

I think they will kiss and make up. Too much money at stake and they both love money more than themselves.

I'm good with it, and even better with Elmo's retaliation

Or maybe this was the Vance plan all along and they're just now pulling the trigger?

[quote]It could never happen because voting machines are not connected to the internet and ballots are physical objects. We’re not stupid enough to conduct elections online.

This is correct. but there are other ways to interfere with a free and fair election, apart from tampering with voting or the counting of votes. Just ask Russia as the Republican led Senate intelligence report found conclusively that Russia interfered in the 2016 election with soft techniques like manipulation of dumb voters via social media.

There was a story circulating late in the campaign that allegedly "would have completely broken trump" was being shopped to the media. Maybe it wasn't sourced well enough or maybe Elon made it go away.. also maybe one of the assassination attempts was staged.. there are other ways..

This is all so very tawdry. I'm out of here; you'll find me on the Fourth Official Post of Naked Men of 2025 thread.

This is all designed to get the Patti/Audra feud off the front page.

R75: "Maybe it's Maybelline!" hmmm

It's going to get juicy.

Maybe Elmo will now turn on some of the secret weapons in all the Starlin satellites!

"Crazy with all the money in the world" trumps "Crazy with bit coins."

Elon is all out of fucks and is channeling his inner Lex Luthor.

I doubt this is a pre-planned distraction. If anything, it's bringing a lot more attention to the bill. This is about two incomprehensibly sized egos -- like two black holes who want everything in the universe to revolve around them and realize that it can't be possible for both of them.

or another possibility is that Thiel and Musk have planned this, and eventually after Epstein files show Trump was a child rapist, and the pee tape comes out, and there is "proof" that Trump is a Russian an asset... he's impeached and Vance is President and the TechnoFascist when and take over the world.

Musk pretty much has the tech industry bros behind him and, well, we already know how incompetent most of the GOP is with navigating the tech world so, at this point, I'm thinking Musk will gain ground. Also, Musk is rich and Trump is fake rich. The rich always stick together. I could be wrong, but in the meantime, I'm moving the battle of the government mean girls!

grrr loving not "moving"

Hahahahahaha!

Ah! I love this so much for both of those motherfucking cunts!

May they utterly destroy each other!

If only the incontinence problems will come up in this feud...

Trump used to be fake rich. Because of presidential corruption he's probably truly rich now.

Has Susan Dey commented yet?

Apparently Trump started this by making a disparaging remark about Elon to the German chancellor during a state visit! Trump is such a little bitch. Elon then responded. This information is from the NYTIMES. I'm rooting for Elon, but am afraid Trump will win after coaching from his Russian handler, Putin.

By threatening Musk’s companies with cancellations of contracts and subsidies, Trump has done himself no favors. Now what has been clear to his opposition—that much of his attacks on institutions like universities and law firms have been motivated by personal pique— is staring MAGA in the face.

When he turns his wrath on one of them, he begins to plant the idea that maybe a dictatorship is not such a great idea. At least not with a petulant man-child in charge.

Musk has already called for Vance to replace Trump. I think this is an idea that will have legs.

Trump “started it” by firing Musk.

[quote]I'm waiting to hear how Azaelia Banks feels about this in order to know which side to take.

Yeah, let's add yet another crazy Gemini to the mix!

[Quote] Steven Miller has a WIFE? He is the single most repellant person on earth, in every way.

Um, the Dildo Beach killer was married. Case closed.

^^^ GILGO

[quote]Trump used to be fake rich. Because of presidential corruption he's probably truly rich now.

Wasn’t it reported that the Trump family is 3 billion dollars richer since January because of all of the contracts with governments looking to get on Don’s good side?

Can you imagine how many times R95 must type DILDO for his phone to autocorrect to it?

“Without me, YOU’D BE NOTHING!”

R98 Mike Waltz just added it to his dictionary, apparently he knows how to use a phone after all.

Waiting for Chumps Twitter account to get frozen. These guys are masters of petty, so that'll be an inevitability.

I love this so much for us.

I love a bitch fight and I'm hoping there will be hair pulling and bra twisting.

Plump’s account won’t be frozen. Musk needs all the revenue he can get on Twitter.

I'm no fan of Elmo's, but anything he does to retaliate against Trump in this catfight will be delicious to watch.

Between the Diddy trial and Musk's insane Hitler cosplay , I am starting to think that ketamine is one of the most dangerous drugs on the planet - when abused.

Anyhow I hope that all these motherfuckers die in a grease fire & soon.

Elmo is now calling for Trump to be impeached and replaced with JD Vance. That was the techno oligarchs' endgame all along. Jaydine is unelectable as a dog catcher in his own right.

I'd love for JD "Vivian" Vance to be given a chance at star billing. She would fuck it up in so many ways.

... and NOT have the unwavering support of Trump followers

Anyone here following the feud on Truth Social? Or Free Republic? These man-babies are going for the jugular with each other, but I do give the edge to Musk because of all the data he's been able to collect legally and illegally. He likely has oodles of stuff he could release on Trump and his toadies. God I need a cigarette, and I don't even smoke.

This, off Bluesky: "As a Musk biographer, my view—based on the available evidence—is that if Trump and his team get their hands on Elon Musk’s federal citizenship application and compare it to the public acknowledgment by Kimbal Musk that he and his brother knowingly violated their student visas, Musk can be deported."

🎵 Just like Jesse Jaooooomeeess 🔥

Elon's starlink satellites were used to collect the voting information for tabulating. This would be like if they loaded ballots into a Tupperware container and put it in George Soros' trunk to drive it to a counting house. It's not normal.

Randomly bringing up George Soros is not normal.

I mean Elon is the right's billionaire boogyman. It's not a far stretch to make.

If TFG kills the Space X contracts, Musk stops production on Dragon. This essentially strands folks on the ISS for quite a while and prevents the ISS from deorbiting gracefully.

Not even Katie Perry or Gayle King can save it.

Get a Shitbra, Elon!

[quote]if Trump and his team get their hands on Elon Musk’s federal citizenship application and compare it to the public acknowledgment by Kimbal Musk that he and his brother knowingly violated their student visas, Musk can be deported."

Well, then they'd have to deal with the inconvenient fact that Trump accepted hundreds of millions of dollars from an illegal immigrant to win the presidential election.

R118, Dump would say he never knew about it.

Apologies for the X post but this is too good to pass up:

Now I'm starting to truly believe that technology is starting to approach human intelligence!

R121, I no longer believe that that’s a difficult task.

Was just wading through the cesspool of X.

All the dudebro accounts are siding with Musk and attacking Trump and his minions eventhough they voted for him. Loomer is still smoking Trump's lil sausage but pedo Dom Lucre, Ian Miles Chong, etc... are full on Muskies.

Poso and Mariano (however the fuck you spell it) are torn while Roseanne is 100% Trump and now receiving antisemitic attacks cause she wants Israel protected.

It is fucking nuts over there!

R123 - it's a beautiful mess! I unblocked Elon so I could read his insanity in real time. Won't do the same for Trump though, that's a bridge too far.

R124, I actually unblocked him as well. LOL

[quote]He says Trump is in the Epstein files. Well, no fucking shit.

Kaitlin Collins: The White House responds to Musk saying the Epstein files haven't been made public because Trump is in them, with press secretary Karoline Leavitt telling @Sam_Waldenberg, “This is an unfortunate episode from Elon, who is unhappy with the One Big Beautiful Bill because it does not include the policies he wanted. The President is focused on passing this historic piece of legislation and making our country great again."

I don't see a denial anywhere in there.

When I get to the bottom I go back to the top of the slide,

Where I stop and I turn and I go for a ride,

Till I get to the bottom, and I see you again,

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah!

I should have moved to NYC back in 1969.

Lots of piggies there.

[quote] All the dudebro accounts are siding with Musk and attacking Trump and his minions eventhough they voted for him.

I'm slightly surprised by that. I'd have predicted they'd pick Trump over Musk. Maybe they relate to Musk more because he's nerdy.

Musk is not a nerd, he’s more of a dink.

Who gets MAGA in the divorce?

I told you not to trust that loudmouth shitbag, Daddy!

What has this fight done to decrease egg prices? That’s all I voted for.

We all knew that Leon

Musk just told the world The President of the United States is a child molestor and the world goes "meh"

The sane part of the world already knew that, R135.

Please, like MAGATs would care if Trump fucked a fifteen-year-old.

Trump fucking an underaged girl would only endear Trump to the 80 million sick fucks who voted for him in November even more.

true r137 but what else can Elmo leak?

I'm a technologist.

R131 Trump will keep the older hillbilly/redneck/funniest and Musk will get the aspirational dude bros and incels.

^ fundies

Ultimately, Musk is the loser in this. Musk's future depends on government subsidies and his commercial success with people with significant disposable incomes. Trump's success depends on appealing for the votes of the stupidest third or so of the country. Nothing Musk says about Trump is going to offend those stupid people

Spill the bean & reciept Elon, you can rly cunt him over after what he did to you

I asked ChatGPT to hearken back to the days of yore…

Damnit!

OK, it’s not as funny as I had hoped, but here you go:

r143: Elon is hurt worse than Trump, especially in the short term; but this is good for neither of them. Trump now looks like he hires people he shouldn't have trusted for important jobs.

Whitney Cummings, champion against pedophiles, has sided with .... pedophile Trump.

Again r148, he has ALWAYS looked that way.

[quote]Trump fucking an underaged girl would only endear Trump to the 80 million sick fucks who voted for him in November even more.

Exactly, it's like those people who think the Apprentice tapes of Trump saying the n-word are going to be the nail in his coffin - have those people not been paying attention all these years? His voters don't care.

Putin needs to take power away from Trump. After what Zelenski accomplished, Trump is now useless to Putin. It has always been about Ukraine. Musk is working for/with Putin. They now need to get JD Vance in there. Drumpf was taken in by criminals smarter than him.

Cheri pretty much nails it!

Their relationship soared like a SpaceX rocket... only to experience a rapid unscheduled disassembly.

Yes r148, it's almost like the guy that hired RFK Jr, Pete Hegseth, Tulsi Gabbard, dingbat bitch wrestler lady, spokeswhore press secretary, child he just put in charge of fighting terrorism, dog killing bitch, and on and on and on isn't the best judge of character.

The thing is, though, r154, is that he has not yet fired any of the people you name.

This is the first really big person he's broken with in thia term with whom he had been friends before. The pattern of the first term has finally re-started.

R152: 2016 was all about Putin and Trump's mutual hatred of Hillary. I think by now that's not enough, Trump is considered a bratty pain by Putin, with Orange One lashing out recently in frustration/rejection over it.

MOAR!

Fucking cunts

I think it was highly suspicious that Elons company tabulated the votes - all from his satellite that conveniently had orbital decay and a crash right after the election. Ass boil orange dumpster fire was the only Repug in the history of the USA to win EVERY swing state, and the only one in decades to win the popular vote......come on...really - one of the most hated men in American history? I smell something fishy, and it's not Melania.

What I wanna know...did Ivanka just happen to fall down that spiral staircase to her death all by her lonesome??

The story, along with her body, was buried very quickly. It always looked extremely suspicious to me.

R160 I'm sorry, I meant Ivana. NOT wishful thinking.

[quote]Trump now looks like he hires people he shouldn't have trusted for important jobs.

NOW he looks that way???

If Musk was holding evidence of Epsteinism over Trump it would explain letting Elon eclipse him early in the term

Cummings is garbage, r149

[quote] Musk pretty much has the tech industry bros behind him ...

Only one of them can be criminally prosecuted by the federal government and it is not Trump. Musk loses.

Even if Musk loses the contracts for his space stuff, he's still the richest man in the world. He can weather the storm no matter what Trump wants to throw at him. Yes, it may cost him half his fortune but look at it the other way, Trump and MAGA have a lot more to lose. If Elon holds his grudge like he usually does, it will fester and by the time midterms come, he will be financially backing all the never-trump politicians he can find. Imagine if he offers 1 million to each Republican congressman who votes to impeach Trump. It would be a drop in the bucket and very tempting for the MTGs an Boberts of the world not to take it.

Plus, dont forget he still owns TwitterX and he loves tinkering with the algorithm to push what he wants with that. And that's full of mostly rabid MAGA these days 4chan bros. He could possibly turn them.

Meanwhile Jake Tapper is still trying to push his book about Biden's age.

Thanks for the crack reporting Jack. Good think nothing important is happening.

Won’t someone even spare a thought for Karina Jean-Pierres’s book?

She wants us all to know that Democrats are mean!

[quote]Meanwhile Jake Tapper is still trying to push his book about Biden's age.

Quite as vital to where we are now as Clinton and Monica.

Signs of a truce are emerging in the increasingly bitter clash between two of the world’s most powerful men.

White House aides, after working to persuade the president to temper his public criticism of Musk to avoid escalation, scheduled a call Friday with the billionaire CEO of Tesla to broker a peace.

[quote]White House aides, after working to persuade the president to temper his public criticism of Musk to avoid escalation, scheduled a call Friday with the billionaire CEO of Tesla to broker a peace.

Translation: It was fake after all.

ABC's Jonathan Karl:

In a phone conversation this morning, @realDonaldTrump told me @elonmusk is “the man who has lost his mind.” Trump did not, however, seem angry or even concerned about the feud. As for reports that there is going to be a Trump/Musk call scheduled for today, Trump told me he is “not particularly“ interested in talking to Musk although he says Musk wants to talk to him.

R171, anyone who thinks that this administration is playacting is a hopeless optimist. No, all of this chaos is real.

R171 is one of the flat earthers who stubbornly persist in illogical thinking because they like to dig their heals in and babble their inanities.

OK, so suppose Musk gets mad enough that he provides absolute proof that he somehow manipulated the election leading to the Trump win. What happens? Does that lead to impeachment and removal from office? Does Vance go with Trump since the win was for the ticket? Does that make Mike Johnson president if both Trump and Vance are impeached together? (Be careful what you wish for.)

The TV Movie writes itself!

Two words, R175: nothing happens.

Moscow offers Elon asylum. Time to go scorched earth!

He is soooo getting deported!

Yes, please, Elon--go to Russia!

I'm not R171, nor am I a flat earther, but Trump is a reality show star and troll, and Elon is also a troll. Everyone has been predicting for months that Trump and Elon would have some kind of fabulous falling out. I wouldn't put it past either of them to stage a falling out as a distraction from whatever Legion of Doom plot they're cooking up next.

I'm not jumping on the bandwagon. If that leaves me with egg on my face, then so be it. No offense, but sometimes you guys jump on everything too quickly, and it turns into a big nothing. Just wait and see.

How many times have we done this "is this the end of Trump plotline?" It's like those old-school Saturday matinee serials from the 1930s and 1940s.

[quote] OK, so suppose Musk gets mad enough that he provides absolute proof that he somehow manipulated the election leading to the Trump win. What happens?

Musk will have implicated himself in a very serious crime. Yes seriously stupid and unstable, but I doubt he would do that

Trump nursed at Roy Cohen and Vince McMahon's tits. Who knows what he's up to other than evil

[quote] sometimes you guys jump on everything too quickly, and it turns into a big nothing. Just wait and see.

R180, saying something is staged is not merely reserving judgment. It's an opinion and a naive one at that, considering who these two people are. Again, not one valid reason to support why they would go to such lengths to stage this has been offered.

[quote]Trump nursed at Roy Cohen and Vince McMahon's tits

Pics please.

[quote]saying something is staged is not merely reserving judgment.

I didn't say it was staged. I said that I wouldn't put it past them to stage something like this.

[quote]not one valid reason to support why they would go to such lengths to stage this has been offered.

Give me a valid reason for anything that Trump does other than to grift and line his pockets.

[quote] Give me a valid reason for anything that Trump does other than to grift and line his pockets.

You just answered your own question, R185.

Trump didn’t go at him 100%, but Musk crossed the line with the Epstein stuff. The NYT had a little display where you could swipe through all of the tweets BUT that one.

By this morning there’ll be a truce.

Not likely given the South African white genocide is a lie tweet by mango Mussolini this morning.

Exactly, ElderLez.

Unfortunately R188 is correct- Its already rumored that they are working on a truce. Two cunts.

[quote]How many times have we done this "is this the end of Trump plotline?" It's like those old-school Saturday matinee serials from the 1930s and 1940s.

Who here has said this feud is the "end of Trump"?

NPR called it a “contretemps” this morning, twice, two separate hosts. Seems like more than a contretemps. Maybe a kerfuffle. They aren’t dignified enough for French terms.

Musk is not strong enough to fight Trump; he's the lesser party in this relationship. Everyone is. Trump's life story is a graveyard of "smart" guys in business and politics who thought that they could control him.

They both know too much and know too much about the illegal shit they did, which will implicate too many rich, powerful people. Of course there will be quid pro quo behind closed doors and they’ll silently walk away from each other.

[quote]Trump didn’t go at him 100%, but Musk crossed the line with the Epstein stuff

t-rump didn't go after Musk 100% for the same reason he doesn't go after Putin at even 20% : He knows both could do substantial damage to him, his wealth and his power. Putin has humiliated dump multiple times on the world stage and dump has only mustered the very mildest of criticisms in return. The Epstein accusation isn't the biggest drop Elon can make on him, not by far. It's a warning shot. Most of Dumps cult members have already been vaxxed against ANY accusation regardless of facts. Elon has information that could make dump politically toxic for his slaves in congress.

The very impulse to survive at all costs that motivate those low life bottom feeders in Congress to support this monster, will be the same impulse that will drive them to turn on him when he becomes politically toxic to white mid to upper class whites, blacks and Hispanics who are under the delusion dump is a good steward for their wealth and prosperity. Nobody gives a shit about his cult members, they are dwarfed in number by the voters that elected dump because they thought he would expand their wealth.

Remember also that our (former) allies have lots of oppo and intelligence on Dump that is unknown outside of intelligence circles. There are multiple points of danger for dump now

I dunno, R196, is there really ANYTHING that could make Republicans in Congress turn against Dump?

Musk's monetary support of them, maybe, R197?

r197, the only thing that could is the potential loss of power. My point is the source of their slavish, self abasing devotion to Dump is sourced from their insane desire to hold onto power (coupled with the fact that a substantial number of republican house AND Senate members are unfit for any real job, like managing a Denny's)

IF and when dump becomes politically toxic in their states/districts, they will distance then denounce him in an effort (probably futile) to hold onto power. Musk has unlimited wealth and unlimited personality disorders. Dump has power over his minions that is based completely on them being afraid of him. Dumps people in Congress are already dipping a toe into rebellion. Rand Paul, Mike Lee and MTG have all set themselves up for a primary from dump this week. They have numbers that show it's better to distance themselves from dump on this stupid bill. This is a trend that will grow

It's not a fake argument/conflict. The Epstein stuff would not be part of any scripted scenario.

But both guys like the adrenalin and juice from such a drama. They both love chaos and disruption (which the spat fuels like gasoline thrown on fire). Trump has always judged events in one priority: does it make "good" TV? Which this does... good being defined as the amount of attention attracted, no other principle applied.

[quote] Is there really ANYTHING that could make Republicans in Congress turn against Dump?

R197 No. Trump is doing what Reagan could only dream of.

Reagan didn’t want this shit.

Reagan didn’t want to blow Gorbachev and crash the economy. I don’t know what he wanted, but it wasn’t mindless destruction.

WHY ! WHY! WHYYY!

Mindless - what's that? Jill! JILL!!! Am I eating ice cream or mashed potatoes? JILL! When do we go back to the White House?

Like Trump isn’t senile too…

R205 gleefully eats every bit of shit from Trump's diaper.

R205 with the dumbest comment of the day. Joe had extremely competent people around him, including Jill. How can he possibly be compared unfavorably to the two clowns we’re taking about today? Both of them are totally fucking bonkers.

Well, at least Biden didn't consult an astrologer.

To give Jill some credit, my Parkinsons dad was after my mother for quite a while after he totaled the car (no injuries, just property) to get his license back. The book [italic]Elizabeth is Missing[/italic], from the point of view of an Alz patient who sees herself as functional, is great at covering this.

Joe, like many of us, had faith in our institutions (including the GOP) and thought Trump would have been dealt with. Boy were we wrong. I no longer trust that people will do the right thing--unless they're forced to.

It's a 50/50 thing r211. I trust 50% of Americans to do the right thing. The 50% that voted for Kamala. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

My hunch is the STAFF at the White house are the ones trying to make this happen, not even of these two DK heads. Trump does not listen to his staff and Elon just fires them when he does not like what he hears. I would be the make a WEAK attempt to put their differences aside, but I am betting feelings are too hurt in the Bromance to get that "lovin feeling" back. I predict it will fail, no big fallout for either side since they both have a lot to lose but just constant bickering for the next 3 1/2 years. Of course that leaves us the American people the ones that have to listen to it drone on over and over like loud neighbors constantly fighting with each other with no end in sight and police who refuse to break up a lover's quarrel

The fight is cooling off but - how can it cool off when Musk said Trump was in the Epstein files? Like that is a BOMB you cannot recover from. Why is the press not all over that?

Because Biden tripped over the carpet, R214. So the press is otherwise engaged.

As has been the pattern for a long time, R214, the mainstream media will never be all over anything bad about Trump until there's a backroom agreement between the GOP and the wealthy to orchestrate bringing him down. Or a re-up and escalation of the fight with Musk that forces the decision behind-the-scenes to unload Trump. Then the knives will come out and every person who has been sucking up or biting his tongue with regard to Trump, will unleash. MAGA don't matter. They're loud, but that's about it. Or, he'll just die first and that will deflate the MAGA movement pretty significantly. No, any downfall of Trump will be a planned and schemed progression of takedowns and events, unless he dies first (here's hoping!)

[quote]Trump also is very selfish and refuses to share.

That’s why Donald makes me wear a chastity belt. Elon never had the chance for access.