Bill Maher BLASTS Cassie, other "abused" women and #METOO

Yes because abused people can just pick up and leave. Maher is a fucking tool and probably an abuser. Abusers don't just wake up one day and punch you in the face, It is a systematic process. I remember Traci Bingham, who was on baywatch, dating Maher. She went on Howard Stern to tell the story of how Bill Maher broke up with her. He took her out to a nice dinner and then drove by and stopped in front of a hopsital emergency room to make sure she knew where it was before be broke up with her that night. She laughed saying "as if I would kill myself because Bill broke up with me." she laughed.

Maher has emerged these past few years as an unrepentant piece of shit.

Dems not being able to grapple with – let alone defeat – MAGAlism has broken something in him, as it has in me.

He's right to some extent however low self-esteem can cause a woman to stay with a man even through the abuse.

No, he’s not right at any extent.

What I've learned from #metoo:

Women will put up with anything for money and/or an entertainment career.

Women rarely care about other women and will stay silent and allow bad men to continue to do bad things to other women, as long as the checks don't bounce or the career is going okay.

All that pain, abuse, and humiliation can be fixed, years after the fact, with a big, fat settlement check.

[quote] Women rarely care about other women

Honestly, that's the saddest thing that I've talen away from this case. Some of Cassie's biggest detractors are other women. That's mind-boggling.

All men are pigs, all women are whores, money is the root of all evil.

Wasn't it rumored he likes to choke out black prozzis?

Maher's viewership has to consist of nothing but zonked out boomers, the "In Crowd" at The Villages.

How many of these fossils are there? They alone can't get be giving asshole Maher the ratings he needs to keep his show on the air.

No wonder he likes Trump. Both ugly, old bloviating misogynists

Expect the baby oiled soaked yarmulke he wore to the freak offs to protect him.

What he’s saying here has merit. I think people are letting their personal dislike of Maher cloud their thinking.

I agree with him. I remember my ex cheated and once attacked me and then I left. If I had stayed it would have been my own fault. The texts also show that Cassie enjoyed the freak-offs and only does this trial because her career never took off, which is also her fault because it sounds like she never took vocal lessons.

It doesn’t have merit. You’re ignorant of the psychology of abusive relationships. Woefully.

Don't go for second best baby! Put your love to the test!

He’s absolutely right. 100%. Enough already.

Leave it to Maher to insist he's not victim blaming and proceed to do just that. It's Cassie's fault if Diddy goes free.

Maher is such a dumb fuck that he doesn't know that 'in the past' (he's an expert) when he says women have an 'excuse' for staying in an abusive relationship it was also still a fucking CRIME to beat the shit out of your wife or girlfriend, even if the victims didn't press charges. In the past was when Cassie and Diddy started seeing each other you dumb fuck.

But Maher's predictably shitty take on the charges against Diddy, that go way beyond Cassie, are that women should leave toxic relationships. Really Billy? You're a fucking mansplaining genius. No woman has EVER done that!

You're the toxic shit-stirrer, and you're a fucking careerist whore yourself.

Sometimes leaving an abusive man puts you in more danger than staying. Ask Nicole Brown Simpson

What r19 said.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

In one breath we’re told women can and do and should be able to do anything. Don’t question their ability. They’re strong and powerful and rule the world.

In the next, we’re told not to dare question a woman who claims brutal sexual abuse, years after the fact, after the fame is washed up or once the hush payments stop. They are by default required to be acknowledged as current, helpless victims who were just too afraid, meek and mild to get out, get away or call the police when it happened. You were raped in a department store dressing room 30 years ago and nobody heard? You never reported it until now? Here’s a hundred million for you! You were forced to sleep with a powerful Hollywood producer 10-20 years ago, and never told anyone until, ironically, the movie roles stopped coming and the perp seemed vulnerable and all those other women were getting interviews by telling their stories? Call a publicist and get out there! You showed up to red carpet events around the world for years, rubbed elbows with the elite and powerful, were bold and proud in striking vampy poses at the MET Gala, wrapped yourself in diamonds and furs and publicly clung to the arm of the alleged abuser you somehow just couldn’t escape from, and even your mother knew and somehow forgot to report it or rescue you until you were kicked to the curb? No problem! You’re America’s sweetheart beyond reproach, you’re the victim of the month! You’ll be given A-list green rooms, media honorariums and accolades for bravery as you clutch your tissue and weep into the camera!

R7 Why is it mind boggling?

What environment do you think is more toxic? A barber shop full of men or a hair salon full of women?

R21, let me take a wild guess -- you also judge all trans people based on a shrieking few, right?

The misogyny on this site is truly repulsive.

[quote]Sometimes leaving an abusive man puts you in more danger than staying. Ask Nicole Brown Simpson

This is the sentiment throughout the Youtube comments of the video. But what is the solution? Leave and wait to be killed or stay and wait to be killed? No one can predict or control an abuser's action and, sadly, there are abusers who won't quit until they kill their victim, but I don't see why saying abuse victims should leave is such a provocative statement. Yes, it's nuanced and there's a lot that goes into the psychology of abuse, but he also suggests as soon as it happens, don't stay, which is sound advice.

There's a woman in one the Youtube comments who pushed back and said how it's not easy and she was brainwashed and manipulated. She goes on to talk about how her abuser had her arrested for abuse and weeks earlier she had been hospitalized and when asked what happened she didn't know how to say that everywhere she goes people hurt her. It's terribly, terribly sad. But in the reading of that I think how she went back to him after being hospitalized and back after he had her arrested, so other than kidnapping the person and taking them out of the situation; what is there to be done? Which is why telling people that as soon as abuse happen get out of the relationship is perfectly sound advice.

Nobody cares about me too/cancel culture anymore. This isn't 2018.

There's all kinds of "sound advice" out there, R24, and of course it would be good to advise anyone in an abused relationship to get out -- especially if you could support them in doing so, given the many real-life obstacles they're likely to be facing.

That's scarcely the tone of Maher's rant, however. As usual, he's offering "rules" for things that just annoy him, without giving a fuck about the nuances of a situation.

There is a difference between Becky Sue in East Bumfucke, Flyover living in a trailer and getting the shit beat out of her every night and can't leave versus some actress, more than happy to trade her pussy for a walkon, who gets mad when no one is casting her any longer, because no one wants her pussy any longer.

Everybody knew about Harvey Weinstein; they made jokes about it, but it continued for years. Then, some switch flipped and now he's evil. It's the height of hypocrisy. He was always evil.

No one is pro-abuser, but women need to step up and own their role in this.

Instead of forming a committee to figure out how to attract males, Democrats could do worse than to heed Bill Maher’s advice.

[quote] You’re ignorant of the psychology of abusive relationships. Woefully.

The psychology of abusive relationships has two sides. If the abused party gets excused for staying and pretending to like it, perhaps the abuser should also get excused for thinking it was consensual.

What he has to say has zero merit #metoo, abusers...it is about control and power. Weinstien, Combs people like that use their power and influence to get what they want. Have you not seen the video where Cassie tried to leave and Diddy come out in a hotel hallway and beats and drags her back??

Conservative men: Women aren’t responsible enough to make decisions about their own healthcare, but they’re totally responsible for being raped and beaten. Yeah, that’s totally on them.

[quote] Have you not seen the video where Cassie tried to leave and Diddy come out in a hotel hallway and beats and drags her back??

And then what happened?

[quote] Everybody knew about Harvey Weinstein; they made jokes about it, but it continued for years. Then, some switch flipped and now he's evil. It's the height of hypocrisy. He was always evil.

There's a video of Courtney Love from way back in 2004 warning young girls on the red carpet to stay away from Harvey. He was well-known for his sick activities for decades. I also agree that it was the height of hypocrisy seeing all those celebrities at the Golden Globes pretending to be "in solidarity" with the victims. Especially Oprah, who you can find in several photos from the past, smiling next to Weinstein.

The thing is nothing in Hollywood is going to change regardless if Diddy is convicted or not. Underneath all this pearl clutching and moralizing, people really just want to know all the freaky details for the gossip not to help any abuse victims. Most of the public will continue to support Hollywood and put money into the pockets of all the behind the scenes abusers we don't yet know about. Anyone who thinks the abuse will stop with Weinstein and Sean Diddy Combs is a moron. You have to dismantle the whole system.

Being too scared of leaving an abusive partner is one thing. Even if there are so many resources for women to be protected, if someone is inside your head, psychologically it's just hard to let go of fear.

That said, especially when it comes to "Me too" like scenarios, questioning women that are only now coming out with stuff that happened years ago with a person they haven't had contact with in years is fair. Because if you were complicit in your own abuse because it got you money or furthered your career, you were essentially an accomplice and helped in allowing that person to abuse other women.

Has old Billy boy spoken to JDVance about forcing women to stay with their abuser?

Because that’s his position, too.

If banks don't want to be robbed, they shouldn't keep money in them.

Maher is so old and out of touch, he needs to just retire. But instead of allowing his mind to deteriorate in private , he will continue to embarrass himself in public with these out of touch rants.

[quote]The psychology of abusive relationships has two sides. If the abused party gets excused for staying and pretending to like it, perhaps the abuser should also get excused for thinking it was consensual.

Our resident MRA has entered the chat

The truth is "straight" black men's issues with women are far more interesting than anything women do. But no one wants to talk about that, because it touches on race. Cassie was starting off trying to further her career, and then turned into a scared animal. There's not much psychology there. Diddy on the other hand. Issues for days.

He REALLY hates blue!

This cements Maher's descent into MAGA level mentality. "Seems to [italic]me[/italic] like you'd want to leave an abusive relationship; therefore, if you don't it's your fault! It's just common sense!" Never mind what a worldwide consensus of mental health experts might have to say about it, and if you're ever faced with that reality, you've got that all-purpose stupidity reinforcer "Do your own research!" to fall back on.

Hoping he gets wished into the cornfield sooner than later.

It was an odd show. Jake Tapper looked pretty uncomfortable, almost wincing at some points.

Maher is having trouble stitching the show’s elements together. There is a quiet tension when he tries to segue into his prepared jokes and slides. When the cameras focus on guest panelists, we often see pained expressions of creeping discomfort.

Maher certainly has the face he deserves.

Fug.

He most definitely is victim blaming, but he knows he's doing it and intends to do it no matter what he says.

I doubt if Jake Tapper was uncomfortable. He loves kicking people when they're down.

Shashie Abushed

Wonder what he had to say about all of R Kelly's victims. Everybody jumps to Weinstein, totally skipping the mess Kelly made with his 'followers' and that those two mens (Combs, Kelly) behavior was much more similar than anyone is acknowledging.

I don’t agree with Maher’s mentality but it’s the mentality people have about men who are mentally or sexually abuse that probably contributes to the high suicide male rate.

It’s not that he’s wrong and people disagree with his logic, they don’t agree with it when he applies it to women.

If you want to watch someone moving to Magatville in real time, watch Maher in Real Time.

He's been targeting the left and woke for years. His shifting of responsibility to Cassie (women) is just one of the signs. It's the woman's fault because women keep reporting this shit (crimes), eventually, but not in real time. Things were bad for women in the past but not now, in real time.

He had dinner with Trump and found him to be a real mensch in Real Time. The real victim in real time is Maher and his anguish over the sins of the left, happening in perpetuity on Real Time.

[quote]Jake Tapper looked pretty uncomfortable, almost wincing at some points.

Tapper has a permanent wince...like Jim Dial.

The argument against holding a woman responsible for staying in an abusive relationship boils down to this:

[quote] Maher is all about new rules. But a new one for him and other men expressing hurtful misogyny should be that if you acknowledge that a man is sick and violent, you don’t get to question the choices victims under his control made.

Really? A jury being asked to send a man to prison for the rest of his life doesn’t get to question the choices “victims under his control” make?

Bullshit.

When it comes to compassion for someone who stays in an abusive relationship, I can understand the argument that the victim’s personal weaknesses (yes, “weaknesses”) may explain their poor choices and that we should not be quick to judge their behavior.

But when it comes to legal liability or criminal liability, we should not let our compassion be confused with justice. Do we really want the law to criminalize all consensual relationships that include violence and degradation? If so, we can draw a red line and say anything that involves physical violence is per se prohibited. If not, we are on very shaky ground when it comes to judging a particular relationship.

A person who stays in an abusive relationship has agency. To paint them as so traumatized by the abuse they endured that they cease to bear any responsibility for staying is demeaning. To hold the partner accused of abuse criminally responsible should require very high bar. It should be very difficult to reach that bar beyond a reasonable doubt.

The line is VIOLENCE. Those who commit violence should be criminally liable.

R50, why should society go out of its way to protect men who attack women? Why protect domestic violence? What is it, an art form? Many people have written about declining birthrates in the U.S. and how younger people are less likely to develop romantic relationships. If the message to people is that no one will help you get out of a violent relationship and that the violence is your fault, it's probably is better to avoid getting involved in the first place.

Women have been taught that they should defer to men, change their names when they get married, be the homemaker while the husband brings home the money.

And then you blame the women because they don’t just get up and leave, even in the middle of abuse.

Lots of consensual relationships include violence. The line cannot be “violence.” It has to be “consent.” And the issue of consent is not something that can be waved away with the argument that “victims” cannot consent. If you are trying, years after the fact, to determine whether or not there was consent, it is unfair to the person charged to argue that staying in the relationship and pretending to like it has no meaning.

[quote] why should society go out of its way to protect men who attack women?

Curious that you assume “women’ are the victims when I have been very careful to make no assumptions about the genders of the parties.

Indeed, I think your assumption that the victim will be female says a lot about the true nature of your argument which is gender-based and ultimately implies that women are not responsible for their choices.

R54, consent is just another issue of fact to be decided by the court or the judge. A defendant is always free to argue that the facts show consent. It’s not a special problem.

Maher has always been a creep. The last Real Time I watched he was bitching about people working from home because how else are men going to meet women? And he was serious. He was upset because he said it was easy for women to meet men but men were limited in the spaces in which they could meet women and that is why people needed to return to the office.

I think people forget Cassie was trying to get away when she was beat, kicked, dragged back in.

People forget that women who leave get hunted down and killed. Where is that discussion?

[Quote] The last Real Time I watched he was bitching about people working from home because how else are men going to meet women?

Turns out all the people demanding that people return to the office full time also were major landlords of downtown office buildings. I wonder how many he owns

Basically.

I think Mahler is addressing the issue of personal responsibility as opposed to the idea of being and remaining a perennial victim which doesn't help anyone.

He's wrong to be criticizing Cassie Ventura. She was afraid of leaving Diddy because he's a violent person who threatened her physical safety. Diddy blew up Kid Cudi's car for fuck's sake, simply for having dated Cassie. Diddy wouldn't let her go, threatened her severely if she did, and threatened the men that she dated. It's not simple or easy to leave an abusive relationship with a violent person.

Old dusty white guy wags his finger at black women as he directs them how to behave after being raped and abused.

I would argue he is is right, but in some cases, not all. Cassie probably was willing to endure abuse for the money it brought her, as is the case with many hangers-on and golddiggers. But it's definitely not easy to leave if the person being abused doesn't have a place to go and money to support them. In Cassie's case, the abuse she received has no excuse, and Diddy should be punished for his animalistic behavior, but she could have left. The money, fame, etc. was too good to give up, even if the cost of staying was very high.

[quote]R18 Maher's predictably shitty take on the charges against Diddy, that go way beyond Cassie…

Yes. I thought the main focus was RICO charges at this point.

Wasn’t the Cassie Ventura lawsuit immediately settled out of court the day after she filed it, one year ago?

[quote]R64 she could have left. The money, fame, etc. was too good to give up, even if the cost of staying was very high.

When she went on a date with another guy in 2012, Kid Cudi, Mr. Combs said he’d blow up his car. Shortly afterwards, a Molotov cocktail caused Mr. Cudi’s car to explode in his driveway.

It’s not always as easy as “just walking away” when you’re dating (and under a ten year contract to) someone who’s essentially a mob boss.

There is no such thing as legal consent for assault resulting in serious bodily injury--PERIOD. Battery is a crime, and you cannot consent to being the victim of a crime. The only exception to this is [legal] sporting matches, which are heavily regulated.

And it doesn't matter if there is evidence that Cassie occassionally consented to participating in the freakoffs--if she at any point revoked her consent or was forced to do things during said freakoffs that she didn't want to do and verbalized as much (and there is overwhelming evidence that both occurred countless times with many eyewitnesses confirming it), THAT IS A SEX CRIME. There's no such thing as irrevocable, blanket sexual consent. If she was not permitted to use prophylactic measures to protect her health during these sex acts, THAT IS A SEX CRIME. And again, if she was forced to incur any serious bodily injuries during these sex acts, even if she initially consented to them, THAT IS A SEX CRIME.

[It’s not victim-shaming to expect women to have the agency to leave toxic relationships]

Yes, it is. It's victim shaming, regardless of gender. Not everyone has the agency, the means or mental fortitude it takes to leave a toxic relationship. Abusers use isolation tactics, codependency and the systematic erosion of their victim's self worth and world (other than them, the abuser) to leave their target as support free and despairing as possible.

Diddy is unhinged and extremely violent. Of course she had to play along, is Cassie even suing him?

Testifying against Diddy in a criminal trial is totally different then suing for money years after.

R68 Exactly. Which is why state's attorneys no longer leave it up to the victims of domestic violence to decide whether or not to press charges--because it has been well-documented that chronic intimate partner violence breaks victims down to a point where they have been brainwashed into not even believing they are capable of being victims. Not to mention the fact that even when they are somehow able to gather the strength and support to finally get out, it often results in their death.

So the state prosecutes the abuser, whether or not the victim has the ability to participate. It is a crime whether or not they have the agency or mental fortitude to admit it.

He's right.

R71 No, creep. He's not.

Bill Maher is never right, he’s a relic from another century.

What do you expect from the guy whose most meaningful relationships were with expensive Russian escorts over lines of coke?

Is Mr. Maher inviting all abused women (many with children) to come live with him while their lives get back on track?

Perhaps he would like to start a charity to help such women (and men.)

R75, MR? In this country we address other adults by their first names.

^^ after we’ve been introduced.

R4

The problem is not just physical inequity but financial and social. Often, men take over the woman’s finances, manipulate her into quitting her job, and isolate her from her loved ones, until she is virtually a slave.

[quote] People forget that women who leave get hunted down and killed. Where is that discussion?

What percentage of women who leave abusive relationships are “hunted down and killed?”

Are you really suggesting it’s safer for them to stay?

Either women are strong and powerful and can do anything, or they're weak, helpless victims who need to be coddled and protected from big, bad, nasty men.

Pick a lane and stay in it.

This is what I know about women: if they wanted to, they could rule the world. They had two chances to put one of their own at the top of the food chain, and both times, nada. No one wants women hurt, abused, or in danger, but stop treating them like children who aren't responsible for some of the choices they made that put them in these awful situations.

I am female. I grew up doing a lot of theater. I was actually pretty sheltered and didn’t realize some of the things going on around me. When I was 15 a couple started doing shows where I was doing them . The guy Don was nearing 40. Sherry was 17 and they were living together. WTF??? That was in the early 80s - WHY was that ok? Why didn’t that freak me out? Don was very handsome. He played Lancelot and Lt Cable in South Pacific. Old matinee ladies called him a Young Don Ameche. … Don started waiting outside my High School and Persuing me. My dad would have killed him if he knew. ….. There was no way in hell — but I remember Don’s relationship was tempestuous - she was really sweet but vapid. Beautiful / she looked like a young Stefanie Powers. I feel so guilty years later - she told me how awful her step father was and she and her mother supported themselves cleaning office buildings at night. We ran into each other in our 20s - she had become a hardcore party girl. Bad Coke problem and continuously name dropped Bruce and Demi. BUT she whipped out a bracelet from BILL MAHER!! She had gone with him for a few years and he didn’t treat her well and had been verbally abusive. We lost touched. Looking her up online she on Major hardcore MAGA Born again Christian. ……. Poor dumb Sherry picked crummy guys. But they have her a little boost to what she thought would be better at the time. Bill Maher loved Hugh Hefner also. He is turning into a “Last Century Man.”

[quote] Yes, it is. It's victim shaming, regardless of gender. Not everyone has the agency, the means or mental fortitude it takes to leave a toxic relationship.

Encouraging people to have the fortitude to leave abusive relationships is not the same as victim shaming but even if it is, shame can sometimes kick a person's ass into gear to get what they need. Shame is not always a dirty word and has a function that is sometimes moral and sometimes practical. We don't need to treat every "victim" as a poor butterfly that has no agency and no ability to rise above their challenges.

Bill MAGA

Jesus Christ, he really has sunken into the abyss of assholism. Fuck Bill Maher.

I’m on it!

He’s an imbecile.

Yes r69, she sued him last November. He didn’t think she had the guts to do it, but she filed.He settled THE NEXT DAY for 20 million dollars.

[quote] Are you really suggesting it’s safer for them to stay?

R79 I am pointing out how flippant Bill was in his comments - as if an abused person can just get up and leave. And there are times when they do manage to escape an abusive relationship only to be hunted down and killed. So that has to be taken into account as to why it’s not easy to JUST leave.

How many times have you heard about a woman who has filed a restraining order against an abuser, only to have it broken? I am not saying women should stay. But there are many reasons why they do that Maher isn’t taking into account.

I am sure Cassie felt there is absolutely nowhere in the world she could go where Didi couldn’t reach her, wouldn’t teach her - he was obsessed with her.

^ And Diddy had already proven he was above the law in cases that Cassie knew of. And never mind the fact that his other long term girlfriend at the time ended up dead. I am sure Cassie was terrified. Who knows how many times he said he could easily kill her. She didn’t stay for the money (because she left it all behind the first chance she felt it was safe enough to do so) She probably stayed because she was terrified to leave.

He’s not necessarily wrong. And I’m a woman.

One of his points is that women should tell police right away. Police can do nothing except issue a meaningless piece of paper. Even men of little means find it easy enough to escape charges. Leaving such a man means having the wherewithal to completely dissappear, which is next to impossible to do regardless of what movies would have you believe, especially if you have kids. It also assumes you have a support system, which most don't.

R90 he is wrong. And let’s stop conflating the victim with being a female - just as Bill does below. He immediately conflates the victim with what it means to be a woman. I think that is where people are getting tripped up with their need to defend a women’s agency - because the last thing you want to be in America is a victim, because that denotes failure. Abuse can happen to a man or a woman.

[quote] , if you’re being abused, you gotta leave right away,” he continued. “Now, I completely understand why, in the past, women often did not do that.”

By the time abuse starts happening, the victim is usually in a place where they just can’t get up and leave. It’s not like it starts on the first date. And often times victims feel that physically getting away from their abuser is not the same as escaping. Most abusers are not going to let their victims walk away. And most police forces don’t have the manpower to fully protect a victim from an abuser. So R90 Bill is wrong to not take all of these factors into account and yes - Victim Shame. It’s not about being a woman, it’s about being an abuse survivor. And you have to figure out how you’re going to survive (separate yourself completely from your abuser) before you even begin to leave.

This young woman had the agency to get away. I am sure she had family to lean on too.

Another victim brave enough to leave her boyfriend.

And it goes On and On. It is disgusting to even suggest that if someone doesn’t immediately leave than any further abuse is on them as Bill. And he even doesn’t take into account the extreme danger a lot of people are in IF they leave, as we see from these accounts.

What he is doing is just society washing its hands of need to come up with real solutions that help victims of abuse, real laws.

r91/r92 I have a friend who was in a physically abusive marriage for decades. She called the police on him twice. At neither time was anything done, beyond "You need to work this out yourselves." He used to mock her about calling the police. He was also not arrested or charged after a particularly violent incident that landed her in the ER (they both lied). He was a very successful attorney, always seemed reasonable, and knew how to put on a good face. A friend of theirs cautioned her against seeking a restraining order because it would jeopardize his job. After he left her, he continued to harass her and went to her apartment one night to threaten her. By that point, she figured that calling the police wouldn't do any good. He was the one who ended up contacting the authorities a few days later to arrange an involuntary (and unwarranted) psych hold.

They have been divorced for six or seven years now, but he continues to harass her with intermittent cruelty, financial threats, and by using proxies to do his bidding.

The other thing that cannot be overstated is the psychological toll of being told and/or treated as if you are utterly worthless, day in, day out, for decades. This is a woman who holds a PhD in a natural science from a top American university, too.

I assume Maher would say anything for ratings and apparently he has. He's a pathetic excuse for a human being.

The logical question to come out of the Diddy prosecution is not why did Cassie stay, but what the hell is wrong with Diddy? I don't see the point of generalizing from Cassie's situation to all women.

Who’s the dad who shot his three young sons on the lawn in front of his wife, because she was leaving him? Was that recent?

Here you go r98

Chad Doerman. Ohio. The boys were ages 7,4, and 3.

He’s 100% correct.

“Cassie couldn’t just leave.”

Why not??

R14 Did your ex have more money than God and continaully threaten to kill you or your family if you leave? Did your ex have round-the-clock bodyguards and staff who are willing to break the law at the drop of a dime? Probably not.

Jesus Christ, I will NEVER understand how people are unable to look at things objectively. It's confounding and FUCKNG dumb.

R90 ANY woman who doesn't understand the dynamics in these situations should really be ashamed.

Testosterone is the root of all evil.

I love how much this has captured DL's imagination. Just goes to show he might not be completely wrong in what he said.

No, r105, it actually goes to show how deeply misogyny penetrates our culture.

[quote]I love how much this has captured DL's imagination.

What a bizarre thing to say. "Captured DL's imagination?" Sounds like AI gibberish. It's DL's typical obsession with misogyny and you sound idiotic.

"This got a lot of posts so that means Bill Maher is right. I am very smart."

R105 The fuck are you babblin' about?

R79, a high percentage of domestic violence deaths occur after the victim leaves. Why? The perpetrator cannot accept loss of control.

I know abused men and women staying in abusive relationships because they've been broken down by their abusers. They will do anything to make the relationship continue but without the abuse. They're in denial. Look up narcissists and how their victims go into fawn mode.

I know people who stayed until the abusers discarded them. Abusers are the scum of the earth.

[quote] And it goes On and On. It is disgusting to even suggest that if someone doesn’t immediately leave than any further abuse is on them

More bullshit.

No one is saying the abuse is “on” the victim. What he is saying is you should not be able to bring the law into the relationship years after it’s over and claim compensation or seek imprisonment for your partner.

Do you not see the difference?

R112, if that is what he is saying, it is worse. He’s saying that laws should be rewritten to enable abusers to get away with their abuse. There are, right now, statutes of limitations for various criminal and civil claims. There’s a whole legal system in.place. No one can simply file a police report and get their ex-partner sent to prison. Frankly, most people who commit crimes of any sort have nothing to fear, given how poorly the process works. I don’t see why special consideration should be given to abusers.

Abusers maybe the scum of the earth, but the partners who choose to stay with them are also participants in the relationship. Both the abuser and the victim are acting out as the result of some kind of emotional/psychological damage. I think the argument that staying in the relationship is at least some evidence of consent is proper in assessing legal responsibility. It’s not the end of the analysis, but it’s fair to consider.

No. He’s saying not every bad relationship should invoke legal consequences. The cases like this that wind up in court are, of course, a very tiny fraction of abusive relationships. People are confusing their moral or psychological reactions as observers with whether or not the courts should get involved.

The only law that I would like to see revised is the anonymity of accusers. I think if you're going to accuse someone of a crime, you need to be willing to come forward and not hide your identity.

Studies have also shown that 1 in 4 police officers beat their wives/girlfriends...and that's just what gets reported/charged. And each one of those cops has a partner that covers for them.

Most of the time in these situations, cops don't do shit. They identify with the abusers because they're abusers themselves.

R101 because she was under the impression that he would kill her if she left. He was insanely jealous of her. He had beaten her for even talking to other men at parties. He smashed her face in so bad one time he had to send her to recover in Hawaii of out of the public eye. He blew up her boyfriend’s car. We know she tried to leave once on camera and he beat the shit out of her, stomped on her and dragged her back.

So what don’t you understand r101?

R115, but we already know, as you point out, that the courts rarely get involved in these cases. Virtually everyone who has ever been involved in an abusive relationship can sleep soundly. The only reason Maher is talking about this is that he is concerned about the rights of wealthy, famous men. They're the only ones worth suing for financial damages and the only ones with the resources to indulge in Diddy-level depravity.

DON'T POP THE HEAD CASSIE!!!!

R87 20 million is not bad for 11 years' work.