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More Than 500 Broadway Artists Release Open Letter Reprimanding Patti LuPone

The letter also called on the American Theatre Wing and Broadway League to disinvite LuPone from the Tony Awards.

Patti LuPone's recent comments in the New Yorker, about her fellow actors Kecia Lewis and Audra McDonald, has continued to send shockwaves throughout the theatrical community. After individual Broadway artists, and even McDonald herself, responded, an open letter has now been circulating throughout the industry. The letter has received over 500 signatures, including from Tony winners James Monroe Iglehart, Maleah Joi Moon, and Wendell Pierce. Even Courtney Love has signed the letter, which can be read in full here (any artist who wishes to provide their name to the letter can click here).

The letter, which was provided to Playbill, addresses the Broadway League, the American Theatre Wing, and "the greater theatre community." It characterizes LuPone's comments about Lewis and McDonald as "degrading and misogynistic—it is a blatant act of racialized disrespect. It constitutes bullying. It constitutes harassment. It is emblematic of the microaggressions and abuse that people in this industry have endured for far too long, too often without consequence."

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by Anonymousreply 142June 2, 2025 2:56 AM

The letter also says that LuPone's comments are part of a pattern in the theatre industry, which has "a persistent failure to hold people accountable for violent, disrespectful, or harmful behavior—especially when they are powerful or well-known."

It then calls for the League and the Wing to disinvite LuPone (and anyone else "who use[s] their platform to publicly demean, harass, or disparage fellow artists") from industry events, including the Tony Awards. And it also asks those disinvited individuals, if they want to continue to engage with the community, to complete "comprehensive anti-bias or restorative justice programs." The letter also asks for "clear, transparent policies for addressing harmful behavior."

by Anonymousreply 1May 31, 2025 1:16 AM

In a CBS interview, Gayle King asked McDonald to respond to LuPone's comments, to which the six-time Tony winner said: "If there is a rift between us, I don't know what it is. That's something you would have to ask Patti about. I haven't seen her in about 11 years just because we've been busy, just with life and stuff. So I don't know what rift she's talking about, but you'd have to ask her."

by Anonymousreply 2May 31, 2025 1:16 AM

Restorative justice…oh God the nonsense continues. I thought dealing with a monster like Trump would calm this shit down.

by Anonymousreply 3May 31, 2025 1:31 AM

Although it seems like none of the people involved are very high profile except for Broadway legend Courtney Love.

by Anonymousreply 4May 31, 2025 1:33 AM

I hope she continues to be a cunt and tells them all to go fuck themselves.

by Anonymousreply 5May 31, 2025 1:34 AM

Team Patti

by Anonymousreply 6May 31, 2025 1:35 AM

The theater is made up of radical "woke" progressives who worship black women like goddesses, so this isn't surprising.

The rest of America is like 🙄

by Anonymousreply 7May 31, 2025 1:37 AM

I was indifferent because I don't really know who she is, but now I'm firmly on her side.

by Anonymousreply 8May 31, 2025 1:37 AM

A bunch of nobodies.

Tell me when Bernadette Peters or Christine Ebersole calls her out.

by Anonymousreply 9May 31, 2025 1:38 AM

Well, Kecia is a bitch and she's the one who racialized the noise issue, which Patti seemed to have managed graciously, or attempted to.

by Anonymousreply 10May 31, 2025 1:40 AM

500 nobodies who wouldn’t be invited to the Tonys themselves.

by Anonymousreply 11May 31, 2025 1:41 AM

Kecia started it all, Patti respondedimpatiently.

by Anonymousreply 12May 31, 2025 1:49 AM

Patti could use a chill pill at times, but this response wouldn’t be happening if she’d only sounded off against white performers.

by Anonymousreply 13May 31, 2025 1:57 AM

Patti presenting an award onstage at the Tony's will be great for ratings

You'd think the producers will play this out till awards night

Will she show up?

by Anonymousreply 14May 31, 2025 2:49 AM

That letter is one of the stupidest things I have ever read. They need to get the fuck over it.

by Anonymousreply 15May 31, 2025 2:52 AM

[quote] Even Courtney Love has signed the letter

I actually laughed out loud at this part.

by Anonymousreply 16May 31, 2025 2:53 AM

Can TV people sign?

by Anonymousreply 17May 31, 2025 3:00 AM

500 people signed in a display of macroagression

by Anonymousreply 18May 31, 2025 3:11 AM

Oh please. Fucking soft ass sensitive cunts. Patti wouldn’t have said what she said if that big mouth didn’t make it about race. How is that racial. Another show with sound bleed? How the fuck is that racial? I’m so sick of this shit. And then people feel offended when white people talk that shit and clap back. Shit wasn’t racial to begin with.

So Alicia Keys’ Broadway musical was suppose to just be as is because of the legacy of chattel slavery? Fuck outta here.

It’s why it won’t ever end. It takes both sides to be real.

by Anonymousreply 19May 31, 2025 3:16 AM

The most liberal open minded white cunts in America feet held to fire?

This is why the fuck Trump won. I said what I said.

by Anonymousreply 20May 31, 2025 3:17 AM

Much ado about nothing. Courtney Love signing this sort of surprises me given all the drama she's had over the years (i.e. getting banned from airlines, punching journalists in the face, going on insane internet tirades, etc.) She's also never been on Broadway obviously, though I did see her perform in a Todd Almond song showcase at Lincoln Center about 8 or 9 years ago (she had don a musical play with him called "Kansas City Choir Boy" prior to that). I thought she did quite well actually, in her own Courtney Love fashion.

by Anonymousreply 21May 31, 2025 3:44 AM

Honey, Patti doesn't do "micro" aggression. When she gets aggressive, you'll know you've been aggressed!

by Anonymousreply 22May 31, 2025 3:48 AM

[quote] Tell me when Bernadette Peters or Christine Ebersole calls her out.

No one will mourn Lupone's fall from grace, least of all Bernadette.

by Anonymousreply 23May 31, 2025 3:49 AM

[quote] Patti could use a chill pill at times, but this response wouldn’t be happening if she’d only sounded off against white performers.

It wouldn't have happened if she didn't sound off against Audra McDonald. Lupone is a legend and the foul insult toward Kecia Lewis could have been overlooked. But Lupone should not have had Audra McDonald's name in her mouth. Audra is beloved in a way Lupone will never be.

I predict we will next see Audra in 'Evita.'

by Anonymousreply 24May 31, 2025 3:56 AM

Catch a falling star...

by Anonymousreply 25May 31, 2025 4:01 AM

Yes, Patti can get a bit full of herself. But supposedly she called another actress a bitch. Big fucking deal. Bitch is not racially charged or in any way a micro aggression. LuPone is not The Industry, and it's inappropriate for people to sign a letter like that, as if she is personally responsible for the racism or indignities that people have experienced in their careers. I think it's telling that no big names have signed on to this crap. It reminds me of when Natasha, Pierre, and the Great Comet was scuttled by accusations of racism against the producers/director for wanting to cast Mandy Patinkin in a role previously filled by a black actor.

As for the rift with Audra McDonald, Audra herself handled it perfectly. She said she knew nothing about it and then shut up. She knows there's nothing to be gained here, and much to be lost.

by Anonymousreply 26May 31, 2025 4:02 AM

R21 Courtney Love signed this shit 😂

It deserves the biggest BITCH PLEASE of all time.

by Anonymousreply 27May 31, 2025 4:02 AM

Oh no—microaggression Stamp it out!

by Anonymousreply 28May 31, 2025 4:03 AM

You know, who the fuck cares? Patti LuPone is one of the biggest witches to walk the lights of Broadway, everyone whines, and people still think petitions are actually doing something.

Sit down, shut the fuck up, and grow up. All of you.

by Anonymousreply 29May 31, 2025 4:10 AM

Fuck the fuck off Patti. A miserable old cunt. Patti is NOT as good as she thinks she is. Fuck off.

by Anonymousreply 30May 31, 2025 4:17 AM

R30 What does that have to do with the situation at hand? Log off. Take some critical thinking classes. Come back. If you come back in 3 months, you haven’t taken enough. And then proceed to discuss this story.

You’re welcome in advanced.

by Anonymousreply 31May 31, 2025 4:19 AM

This entire insane episode should be a Broadway musical.

Who plays Patti Lupone?

by Anonymousreply 32May 31, 2025 4:21 AM

That's such a long, wordy petition just to say "Patti, you're an insufferable cunt!"

by Anonymousreply 33May 31, 2025 4:24 AM

I can’t wait until Rick & Morty parodies the shit out of this.

by Anonymousreply 34May 31, 2025 4:25 AM

HOW DARE THEY! JUST WHO DO THEY THINK THEY ARE?!

by Anonymousreply 35May 31, 2025 4:27 AM

Celia Rubenstein was a friend to all mankind…..

WHO???!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 36May 31, 2025 4:32 AM

[quote]Audra is beloved in a way Lupone will never be.

Audra is only beloved by the "woke" people running Broadway/Tonys.

The general public doesn't much care for her. She's not a box-office draw.

Her shows usually flop.

In the musical, Eva Peron ages from 15 to 33, when she died.

by Anonymousreply 37May 31, 2025 6:19 AM

Sorry, the last sentence was in response to this:

[quote]I predict we will next see Audra in 'Evita.'

by Anonymousreply 38May 31, 2025 6:20 AM

I'm literally shaking.

by Anonymousreply 39May 31, 2025 6:42 AM

What a bunch of f****** retards.

by Anonymousreply 40May 31, 2025 6:43 AM

The video that Kecia made is far and away more offensive and insulting than what Patti said.

by Anonymousreply 41May 31, 2025 6:47 AM

Kecia is a bitch!

by Anonymousreply 42May 31, 2025 6:53 AM

[quote]Honey, Patti doesn't do "micro" aggression. When she gets aggressive, you'll know you've been aggressed!

R22. Great comment and oh so true.

by Anonymousreply 43May 31, 2025 8:55 AM

Mickey Jo thinks Kecia fairly called out Patti or at least thinks what Kecia said was fair. One of those woke all for calling out microaggressions people who love all things theater. He's got a podcast and I can't imagine how he manages to see everything both in London and NY. Do podcasters make that much money? Or does he just pretend not to have a trust fund?

Kecia saying Patti was a racist for complaining about the noise because she was in a drama for two people and the sound was bleeding through when the people who built these theaters could never imagine how loud shows would get should get playing a black victim card NAACP award. Audra supporting her was remarkably stupid. And how beloved can she be when her show is limping into oblivion. Which means the tourists are not even going in any great numbers. All the believers who think Gypsy is the greatest thing that ever happened in the history of mankind far greater than the Sistine Chapel or Don Giovanni or the Magna Carta have already seen it.

I've been going to Broadway for decades and I've never seen anything so stupid in its history as this letter. Well maybe Chorus Line winning over Pacific Overtures. The Tonys should have Patti give out best actress or best musical award. An actress calling another actress a bitch publicly I'm amazed the world didn't stop spinning. If she called her a cunt(which she was) the universe would implode. La Lupone was being nice for once. Now if she got up on stage during a performance of Gypsy and slapped the shit out of Audra just for her Rose then that might be somewhat questionable.

by Anonymousreply 44May 31, 2025 10:19 AM

r32 I'm available!!

by Anonymousreply 45May 31, 2025 10:20 AM

Tean Patti.

by Anonymousreply 46May 31, 2025 10:39 AM

tee hee

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by Anonymousreply 47May 31, 2025 10:46 AM

Kecia made it into a racial thing, which it is not a all.

by Anonymousreply 48May 31, 2025 11:23 AM

[quote]Kecia made it into a racial thing, which it is not a all.

Who would do such a thing?

by Anonymousreply 49May 31, 2025 12:17 PM

Controversy aside, there's something rather quaint and charming about the idea of an "open letter."

by Anonymousreply 50May 31, 2025 12:20 PM

Thanks for the link, R41.

by Anonymousreply 51May 31, 2025 12:21 PM

This is the mother of all cancel culture letters. I hope it gets its own course at Harvard for self-reflection to see how far down the rabbit hole so many have gone.

by Anonymousreply 52May 31, 2025 12:32 PM

Oh, what a circus, oh, what a show.

Some of Broadway has lost their minds over the words of an actress called Patti LuPone.

They’ve all gone crazy, ranting all day and posting all night, falling over themselves to get all of the outrage just right.

by Anonymousreply 53May 31, 2025 12:37 PM

I think it's a solid idea. Patti doesn't give a fuck what anyone in the theater community thinks of her, so getting banned from the Tonys won't hurt her, but it'll spare the rest of them from having to smell her.

by Anonymousreply 54May 31, 2025 12:38 PM

The linguistic ignorance is astounding. She did not say this woman is a bitch. The phrase was something like, "You are not a veteran, bitch" using a vernacular style that we all know from Drag Race etc. How can people who call themselves artists lack so much nuance? If he have an issue with the vernacular so be it but anyone can see the difference. I've had to sign letters I didn't always support because of pressure. I feel bad for the performers who signed and were on the fence, but felt they had to save face.

by Anonymousreply 55May 31, 2025 12:46 PM

If you want to see a really interesting and influential bunch of signatures, start circulating a letter asserting that ANYONE who refuses to join AEA should not be permitted to perform on or off Broadway.

by Anonymousreply 56May 31, 2025 1:11 PM

Subsequent feuding aside, sound bleeding through theater walls be a valid concern at showtime, and the problem was addressed.

by Anonymousreply 57May 31, 2025 1:17 PM

^misfire in editing.

by Anonymousreply 58May 31, 2025 1:19 PM

I don’t want to live in a world where one can’t call out a bitch without it being made into a progressive cause complete with all the progressive labels and where you can’t decline to praise someone playing a role you have played if they’re Black

The ideology of privilege/oppression has become “it’s our turn to be the oppressors now until we say otherwise.” No wonder the backlash is so powerful.

by Anonymousreply 59May 31, 2025 1:34 PM

Patti's response: "Broadway doesn't go in for boos! And dopes!"

by Anonymousreply 60May 31, 2025 1:40 PM

[quote] it is a blatant act of racialized disrespect. It constitutes bullying.

These people are morons.

by Anonymousreply 61May 31, 2025 2:03 PM

[quote] She did not say this woman is a bitch. The phrase was something like, "You are not a veteran, bitch" using a vernacular style that we all know from Drag Race etc

I think that’s a tough argument. You can say that calling someone you are dissing “bitch” is pretty common and pretty tame and is not meant literally and is certainly no great insult. But she did it.

by Anonymousreply 62May 31, 2025 2:19 PM

Audra is a box office draw. Why lie?

by Anonymousreply 63May 31, 2025 2:22 PM

Calling a rival “bitch” is pretty standard diva behavior and unlike 99.99% of the people who play the diva, Patti actually is one.

by Anonymousreply 64May 31, 2025 2:22 PM

R24 But what did she say that was racist or truly denigrating. Can entertainers be entertainers? They aren’t regular people. Freedom of speech is everything. When are these fake liberals going to wake up and stop being hypocrites. It’s fucking sickening.

by Anonymousreply 65May 31, 2025 2:27 PM

They are not “fake liberals.” They are genuine progressives. While both liberals and progressives are considered “left” in our current politics, the two ideologies are distinct and often at odds.

by Anonymousreply 66May 31, 2025 2:32 PM

[quote]the two ideologies are distinct and often at odds.

Says you. Who appointed you the arbiter of what the terms "progressive" and "liberal" mean in absolute terms? I consider myself both liberal and progressive, but I also have a solid background in dealing with bullies. Yes Patti is a well known bully. This screed is just another attempt at her form of bullying. This letter is a poorly thought out, completely disingenuous attempt to command people accept the fantasy that LuPone's use of the word "Bitch" was "racialized" when it is clear to see she was using it in the traditional "puncuational" diva colloquial of emphatically saying "so there"

Dictionary Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more dis·in·gen·u·ous /ˌdisənˈjenyəwəs/ adjective not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.

by Anonymousreply 67May 31, 2025 2:49 PM

Dear Broadway. In case you haven't noticed the world loves a huge fucking cunt who spills.

by Anonymousreply 68May 31, 2025 2:51 PM

If Patti’s complaint was so racist, why did HK agree to adjust the sound?

by Anonymousreply 69May 31, 2025 3:03 PM

This is why the Dems lose elections. Giving this story any life is not helping to win anything, just woke cancel culture at its very worst.

by Anonymousreply 70May 31, 2025 3:03 PM

[quote] Says you. Who appointed you the arbiter of what the terms "progressive" and "liberal" mean in absolute terms?

Words have meaning. Liberals believe in freedom of speech and in equality under the law. Progressives believe that there must be an accounting for past injustices and that freedom of speech takes a back seat to social justice and that it is not enough to declare that from now on we are all equal when some people have been oppressed and others have been privileged. The scales must be re-balanced.

People who enjoy saying liberals are hypocrites are often confused by lumping all of the left into a single bucket and pointing to the inconsistency as hypocrisy.

If you have a different understanding of, spell it out, but I must say that your attitude (“who appointed you the arbiter?” ) clearly demonstrates the progressive mindset which to me is all about bullying, just with the tables turned.

by Anonymousreply 71May 31, 2025 3:06 PM

[quote] it is a blatant act of racialized disrespect.

Cherchez la disrepectin!

by Anonymousreply 72May 31, 2025 3:09 PM

[quote]Words have meaning. Liberals believe in freedom of speech and in equality under the law. Progressives believe that there must be an accounting for past injustices and that freedom of speech takes a back seat to social justice and that it is not enough to declare that from now on we are all equal when some people have been oppressed and others have been privileged. The scales must be re-balanced.

r71, this is r70 replying. I'll start by apologizing for my flippant tone at the top of my post. I believe in freedom of speech and equality under the law and I believe in redressing institutional inequities VIA the law (affirmative action and I am open to some form of reparations for US citizens whose descendants were abused and exploited and whose labor was stolen "legally" at the time. I would like laws that are data driven and based on facts and there are plenty of people in our country who deserve this compensation because of they way their descendants were abused and used.

That is my form of liberalism. I am not sympathetic to anyone trying to gain leverage over another person because they have ascribed an unsavory or biased motivation to someones speech. In this case with Patti LuPoine, I don't believe her use of the world "BITCH" can reasonably be construed as racially motivated and I don't like the pressure be brought to buy into this theory of her motivation.

by Anonymousreply 73May 31, 2025 3:38 PM

Patti is playing Anthony's Italian boyfriend's mother on 'And Just Like That'. I hope SJP gets asked over and over if she agrees with this letter and if she will cancel Patti like she did with Chris Noth? I am sure they are writing a scene where Patti is run over by a Citibike to make this woke drama go away.

by Anonymousreply 74May 31, 2025 3:41 PM

Literal Violence!!!

by Anonymousreply 75May 31, 2025 3:42 PM

[quote]the world loves a huge fucking cunt

Pics please.

by Anonymousreply 76May 31, 2025 3:44 PM

DISRESPECC

by Anonymousreply 77May 31, 2025 3:55 PM

And by taking a stand against Patti the ATW and BL are definitely turning this into a race issue, caving in to Kecia's lunacy, because this wouldn't have happened if Patti had spoken about white performers, as she has frequently done.

by Anonymousreply 78May 31, 2025 3:58 PM

I appreciate the apology, r73.

You can be both a liberal and a progressive until they pull you in different directions. Then you have to choose. The idea that some people today are entitled to payments from other people because of how their ancestors were treated, is not consistent with classical liberalism which says we are entitled to equal rights under law. In the case of reparations, you are favoring your progressive ideals over liberal ones when they come into conflict.

In the case of Lupone it sounds like you are rejecting the progressive take not because you don’t believe that people should be punished for their speech, but because you don’t interpret the word “bitch” the same way the letter writers do. But your words suggest to me that if you had been convinced that she was, in fact, being racially malicious and misogynistic, you would be prepared to sign. Again, to me a progressive attitude, not a liberal one.

I’d say you are sensitive to the excesses that often arise from conventional progressive ideology which has an element of bullying in it. In my experience, that sensitivity is often the beginning of the recognition that there is sometimes a conflict between liberalism and conventional progressivism. Perhaps over time, like me, this recognition will may you more skeptical of the foundations of progressive ideology. Perhaps not.

by Anonymousreply 79May 31, 2025 3:59 PM

FREE PALESTINE!

by Anonymousreply 80May 31, 2025 4:05 PM

Will SJP cancel Patti from 'And Just Like That' since she will be on later this season as Anthony's boyfriend's mother? She rolled Chris Noth under the bus when cancel culture went after him. The woke and old-time liberals seem to be eating their own. It's no wonder so many are apathetic to things now a days.

by Anonymousreply 81May 31, 2025 4:12 PM

Bitch, please.

by Anonymousreply 82May 31, 2025 4:22 PM

[quote] The woke and old-time liberals seem to be eating their own. It's no wonder so many are apathetic to things now a days.

Another person using your own confusion of liberalism and progressivism as an excuse to throw up your hands and say “Whatever.” This is a tool of the fascist right, not an actual analysis

Progressives are not liberals. In many ways they are anti-liberals. Cancel culture is anti-liberal. We can and should reject the excesses of the extreme left without abandoning the actual liberalism upon which our country was founded.

by Anonymousreply 83May 31, 2025 4:28 PM

If throwing up your hands to say whatever when the theater world attacks Patti Lupone and then being told it is a tool of the fascist right to point out that old time liberals and the woke are eating their own, I guess the best thing to say is whatever. I do agree that the fascist right is probably laughing at this letter and what it is trying to do.

by Anonymousreply 84May 31, 2025 4:36 PM

Liberalism takes credit for the actual progressive victories of the 1900s labor movements and portrays itself as the most pleasant way into the future via nobody being accountable to anyone else. Brilliant. Liberalism in 2025 will stay seated in front of the TV while fascists sell off the American government and replace it with a technofeudal hellscape.

by Anonymousreply 85May 31, 2025 4:41 PM

[QUOTE] Patti is playing Anthony's Italian boyfriend's mother on 'And Just Like That'.

We’re supposed to believe that Patti birthed that beautiful man? Okay then LOL!

by Anonymousreply 86May 31, 2025 4:44 PM

Well now, this letter must be really important if Billy Porter signed it!

by Anonymousreply 87May 31, 2025 4:46 PM

r83 All that you are saying is also exactly what the liberals and progressives do to people who don't agree with them on everything exactly the way they want. Look at how JK Rowling has been villified by the left over the years just because she doesn't give in to the transgender politics.

Nobody in today's times make a distinction betwewn liberals and progressives. They overlap and make a full circle now. Try disagreeing on one issue, no matter big or small, and you'll be kicked out of that circle.

by Anonymousreply 88May 31, 2025 4:51 PM

[quote] the fascist right is probably laughing at this letter and what it is trying to do

While posting in these threads

by Anonymousreply 89May 31, 2025 4:53 PM

Did any white people sign this letter?

by Anonymousreply 90May 31, 2025 4:53 PM

If you've ever had black neighbors, you know exactly where Patti was coming from.

by Anonymousreply 92May 31, 2025 4:58 PM

r91 can you turn your fucking music down? Some people have to work in the morning.

by Anonymousreply 93May 31, 2025 4:58 PM

R4, surely you misspoke and meant to say, Courtney Love, Broadway VETERAN!

by Anonymousreply 94May 31, 2025 5:06 PM

And here I thought it was going be a slow news weekend.

by Anonymousreply 95May 31, 2025 5:09 PM

Patti is Broadway's version of Karla Sofia Gascon.

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by Anonymousreply 96May 31, 2025 5:19 PM

This whole thing is ridiculous. Nothing Patti said about the loud neighboring theater was racist. The actress in the neighboring show took it there, because she knows she can use that as a cancel culture weapon. I am not a fan of Patti's bitterness and vendettas, but this should have gone nowhere. Audra didn't need to applaud a performative, race-baiting social media post, but she did. Patti didn't need to call that out, but since she was essentially labeled a racist "micro-aggressor," she had every right to be pissed and defend herself (which is hard to do, and the race baiters know it, which is why they take it there to begin with). Patti's dismissive attitude toward Audra's Gypsy performance is also catty but warranted. Audra is not a great fit for that role, although she is a good singer and actress, but let's be real.

by Anonymousreply 97May 31, 2025 5:21 PM

When all is said and done, I hope they make a musical about this little fiasco.

by Anonymousreply 98May 31, 2025 5:27 PM

R98 One has already been done. Fiasco (Coco/1970 Original Broadway Cast/Remastered) sung by the lovely René Auberjonois !!

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by Anonymousreply 99May 31, 2025 5:34 PM

Fools rush in

by Anonymousreply 100May 31, 2025 6:30 PM

r62. I understand but would argue that it's the difference between saying. "I got you, bro" vs. "You are my bro." These phrases suggest different things with different connotations. So to say Patti called her a bitch is technically correct and in the letter of the law but not in the spirit.

by Anonymousreply 101May 31, 2025 6:39 PM

[quote] Nobody in today's times make a distinction betwewn liberals and progressives

Bullshit. Anyone who has the slightest knowledge of political ideology knows the difference. Granted that is a tiny fraction of the people who talk about politics. People use “liberals” as a synonym for Democrats or the left, but liberalism is a set of values that is reflected in the Bill of Rights. Freedom of Speech (the actual policy, not the MAGA perversion) is a key component of liberalism, but not of progressivism.

In this instance, it’s quite simple. Liberals are not demanding that Patty Lupone be banned from the Tony’s because calling another actress a bitch is a reflection of some kind of systemic evil on Broadway that must be STAMPED OUT. . That’s a progressive effort.

by Anonymousreply 102May 31, 2025 6:56 PM

Dear god the klan grannie troll is back. We had hopped you had been run down by a high speed train somewhere in Japan.

by Anonymousreply 103May 31, 2025 6:59 PM

Patti should double down and say

“The bitch should thank me for getting her name known outside of Harlem”

I said what I said.

by Anonymousreply 104May 31, 2025 7:13 PM

Vilifying JK Rowling is another example of progressive politics at work.

Someone who is a liberal but not a progressive may not agree with her, but they do not want her cancelled for saying that women need spaces that are penis-free.

It gets confusing because the left in inclined to support the left, and advocates for trans rights are going to call any distinction between a trans woman and a cis woman “discrimination” (which liberals oppose).

But the purely liberal position is to respect individual rights and individual choices up to the point where other people’s rights are infringed, but not beyond.

You have the right to identify as a woman with a penis and the law should respect your freedom of choice, but you do not have the right to insist that everyone else must believe that you are a woman in all circumstances. If some women want to exclude people with penises from certain private spaces for valid reasons, the law must accommodate them too.

The progressive position is (as I understand it) “Trans women are women. Period.” They must ALWAYS be treated exactly the same. Period. No dissent will be tolerated. Anyone else’s feelings are irrelevant.

That is not liberal.

It is certainly not liberal to punish (indeed to destroy) Rowling for disagreeing. Reasonable disagreement is respected in liberalism. In many cases it is reviled in progressivism, where there is an officially correct opinion.

by Anonymousreply 105May 31, 2025 7:13 PM

This is why the Dems have no real leader right now. Nobody is willing to tell these people to sit down and stop it. Cancel culture killed the progressive party.

by Anonymousreply 106May 31, 2025 7:25 PM

[quote]Bullshit. Anyone who has the slightest knowledge of political ideology knows the difference. Granted that is a tiny fraction of the people who talk about politics

r102 A "tiny fraction" is exactly that. A tiny fraction. You're making my point for me. The vast majority (the opposite of tiny fraction) of people don't see that distinction. If someone claims to be liberal, the progressive gets attached to them by default. In fact, you would have to go out of your way to inform that you are a liberal but there are certain ideas of the left that you don't agree with. Usually progressive ideologies and policies. And the irony is that, such person often gets attacked as a right-winger/fascist/MAGA etc.

by Anonymousreply 107May 31, 2025 7:40 PM

So the definition of what is true is what the “vast majority of people” believe?

No thank you.

[quote] If someone claims to be liberal, the progressive gets attached to them by default

That is why it is important to explain the difference.

The liberal consensus upon which the United States was founded is under attack from the right and the left. Conflating the defense of our Constitution with progressive ideology threatens the survival of the Constitution.

If ill-informed people believe there is no difference between the liberal values in our Bill of Rights and progressive politics, of course they are going to throw up their hands and say “what difference is there between the tyranny of the right and the tyranny of the left?”

by Anonymousreply 108May 31, 2025 7:49 PM

Dammit - and Patti had just asked me to be her plus one to the Tony Awards......

by Anonymousreply 109May 31, 2025 7:56 PM

[quote] “what difference is there between the tyranny of the right and the tyranny of the left?”

I get what you're saying, here and your other posts, but I do think there is still one big difference: the right has made it very, very clear that it will use its political power, whatever power it has, to trample all over constitutional rights without the slightest care or hesitation. It is the Trump Cult in that sense, and whatever Dear Leader wants to do, the cult will fully and unequivocally support. And use whatever police powers and whatever jack-booted thugs it needs to exercise that power by force.

The progressive left's "power" is still purely social, building coalitions and usually within just a few institutions within academia, the nonprofit sector, the entertainment field, whatever. That can definitely suck for anyone of the receiving end, and it can definitely be very unfair and even insane at times, but it is still much less dangerous than the the truly fascistic, police powers that the right is claiming, and exercising. Everyone, in every part of the U.S. is subject to the whims of the fascist right whenever it feels like it.

by Anonymousreply 110May 31, 2025 8:07 PM

YES—I don’t mean to suggest that the threat to the Constitution is the same from the right and from the left. That is not true.

Extremists on the left are sometimes (foolishly, in my opinion) prepared to sacrifice certain rights to the cause of what they understand social justice to require, but they are not fundamentally hostile to freedom of expression, separation of church and state, equal justice under law and limited government.

The right has become fundamentally hostile to our Constitution. I was tempted to say “extreme right” but MAGA is no fringe.

by Anonymousreply 111May 31, 2025 8:08 PM

But to the extent that the excesses of the progressive left can be attached to all those who would defend the Constitution against the cult, there are people who might think “what difference is there between the tyranny of the right and the tyranny of the left?” And unfortunately for many of them the answer is “at least the right stands for people like me, while the left stands for people who want to oppress me today because of what happened in the past.”

by Anonymousreply 112May 31, 2025 8:23 PM

Patti has apologised on Instagram.

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by Anonymousreply 113May 31, 2025 8:23 PM

The text:

For as long as I have worked in the theatre, I have spoken my mind and never apologized. That is changing today.

I am deeply sorry for the words I used during The New Yorker interview, particularly about Kecia Lewis, which were demeaning and disrespectful. I regret my flippant and emotional responses during this interview, which were inappropriate, and I am devastated that my behavior has offended others and has run counter to what we hold dear in this community. I hope to have the chance to speak to Audra and Kecia personally to offer my sincere apologies.

I wholeheartedly agree with everything that was written in the open letter shared yesterday. From middle school drama clubs to professional stages, theatre has always been about lifting each other up and welcoming those who feel they don't belong anywhere else. I made a mistake, I take full responsibility for it, and I am committed to making this right. Our entire theatre community deserves better.

Patti LuPone

by Anonymousreply 114May 31, 2025 8:27 PM

Well, that was big of her, and perhaps wise, but such a fulsome apology only serves to justify the attack, which I think was unfair.

by Anonymousreply 115May 31, 2025 8:35 PM

I love Patti LuPone, but she is a loudmouthed crank.

A better response would be to ignore her, after coming up with and stating a well thought, classy, and snappy put down. They sound like a bunch of wilting violets.

by Anonymousreply 116May 31, 2025 8:38 PM

I almost hate to see her come out with that statement, but I guess she needs to decide how much this stupid fucking nonsense is worth fighting about. If a silly statement (shit like "theater is always about lifting each other up," oh fuck off) but if that will end this inane drama, so be it. I'm not sure it will, of course, because there will always be assholes who live for this shit, but I understand she might just be bored with it all and ready to move on.

by Anonymousreply 117May 31, 2025 8:45 PM

When asked for a review of Audra’s Mama Rose, I would have simply said “I haven’t seen it.”

by Anonymousreply 118May 31, 2025 8:54 PM

Damn. She shouldn't have apologized like that. It only em powers the crazies.

by Anonymousreply 119May 31, 2025 8:56 PM

The word "microaggressions" needs to go away.

by Anonymousreply 120May 31, 2025 8:58 PM

But does she want to live the rest of her life as a martyr to resisting the crazies? She doesn’t have JK Rowling money or power.

by Anonymousreply 121May 31, 2025 9:00 PM

Nanoagressions should be a thing. "There's a vibe like I sort of feel offended."

by Anonymousreply 122May 31, 2025 9:02 PM

I wish she had said 'Kecia kindly fuck off with your 'racist microaggressions.' You're a middle aged woman who thinks like a 14 year old.' Or simply she should have said nothing at all. She is only feeding the victim monster with this.

by Anonymousreply 123May 31, 2025 9:19 PM

Looking forward to Kecia’s apology.

by Anonymousreply 124May 31, 2025 9:22 PM

r177, yeah, the whole 'lifting each other up' is such namby-pamby bullshit. Patti should have stopped after the first paragraph. That would have been plenty.

by Anonymousreply 126May 31, 2025 11:18 PM

You will get a few wrinkles waiting for Kecia to apologize I imagine....doesn't seem to have it in her.

by Anonymousreply 127June 1, 2025 12:04 AM

Lots of rage in Patti it seems

by Anonymousreply 128June 1, 2025 3:11 PM

^^^Isn't rage the fuel for all cunts?

by Anonymousreply 129June 1, 2025 3:16 PM

So in the end they made Patti genuflect.

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by Anonymousreply 130June 1, 2025 4:01 PM

How stupid. It was a completely unwanted attack she had every right to get from yourself I'm sorry she apologized.

by Anonymousreply 131June 1, 2025 6:26 PM

She’s probably tired of the nonsense, and this way she comes out looking good.

by Anonymousreply 132June 1, 2025 7:37 PM

Sure, this letter is over the top but Patti is a bitch

by Anonymousreply 133June 1, 2025 8:04 PM

Patti was smart to saying something to quell the woke screeches and screams, good for her.

by Anonymousreply 134June 1, 2025 9:22 PM

This is sort of a start, but I insist now she make significant financial restitution to the drama departments of historically black colleges and universities and undergo lengthy sensitivity and anger management training, otherwise the apology is meaningless.

by Anonymousreply 135June 1, 2025 9:26 PM

The apology is simply [bold]not good enough[/bold] for some of the commenters on Patti's instagram post!

[quote] "I mean I guess," one skeptical fan commented on the post, "but the only people who really get to say if this apology is acceptable are Kecia and Audra." Another commenter flat out poo-poo'd the apology. "The comment you made wasn't just offhand; it was a reflection of your true feelings," they wrote. "You've consistently shown disrespect towards those you consider beneath you, and this behavior isn't just a momentary lapse; it's a pattern."

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by Anonymousreply 136June 1, 2025 9:40 PM

I'm sure it's fine for Audra who probably wants to just move past it. Kecia probably not, but I don't expect her to press the issue now that an apology has been offered, but who knows. Can an apology ever be good enough for the online commentariat?

by Anonymousreply 137June 1, 2025 9:48 PM

It never will end for poor Patti until she is 100% cancelled and exiled to Greenland.

by Anonymousreply 138June 1, 2025 10:06 PM

"exiled to Greenland"? What did they ever do to deserve Patti's presence?

If she's to be exiled, it should be back to Wrong Island where was birthed. Let those other loud, vulgar, cranky broads deal with her. And Lupone does NOT get to spend her final years in the Hamptons; strand her in Merrick or Bayshore or Patchogue.

by Anonymousreply 139June 1, 2025 10:21 PM

So much Patti bashing... Yes, she's a diva and makes no bones about it. Can she be bitchy? Of course. But she is not a monster. She has always contributed her talents and her money to worthy causes, and she has mentored many younger performers. In this brouhaha she may have spoken out of turn, but she wasn't being racist. That nasty letter was over the top, and the 500 signatures are a slap in the face to someone who has put in a lot of time in the biz. Wisely or unwisely, Patti has posted a very public apology. Nothing else she can do. It's time to let it go.

by Anonymousreply 140June 2, 2025 12:05 AM

[Quote] That nasty letter was over the top, and the 500 signatures are a slap in the face to someone who has put in a lot of time in the biz.

It’s Patti who started this and slapped many veteran actors in her interview

by Anonymousreply 141June 2, 2025 12:16 AM

Kecia started it by implying that a veteran actor is racist over a noise complaint.

by Anonymousreply 142June 2, 2025 2:56 AM
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