My Sister and her MAGA Mind

MAGA appeals to many women because it is an external validation of their interior state

The negation of reason and accountability

Punch and delete, OP.

I have family members that a very MAGA and ones that a very liberal. As someone who is in the middle, I have decided to not bring it up because you are not going to change theirs minds. Do you really want to lose a family member over a some politician that only care about themselves and their wallets?

Now, if you two can discuss policy in a civil and fun way, that is different. But bashing politicians and just jumping to "they are corrupt Hitlers," etc. is not doing anybody any good.

[quote] As someone who is in the middle

In 2025, a statement like that portrays as either wilfully ignorant or an uninformed idiot.

R4 no, both parties are going too far on things.

Oh god, you again. Shut the fuck up.

Never look a mad dog in the eye.

One shouldn't push too hard on emerging fascism. It's just unseemly.

Your sister is a shit smearing traitor

[quote] As someone who is in the middle

He IS someone who is in the middle!

My sister is in sales in a deep red state and says that she could never publicly admit to not being a Republican. She would lose clients. Lots of these MAGA ppl probably can’t conceive of thinking otherwise. They have to go with what the apartheid party wants.

R3 As I said in my original post, I had agreed to never discuss politics with her and it was her who brought up Biden's cancer, not me. When she seemed so giddy about his diagnosis, I couldn't let it go at that point. And not once did I ever call Trump "Hitler" in my discussion with her. I simply poked holes in all of her outlandish tales, factually and calmly.

Being MAGA means never having to say you’re sorry.

R1 One of the most hilarious (and terrifying) parts of my last conversation with my sister was when she said she thinks women deserve more rights. I reminded her that she voted for the party that is working actively to deny women their equal rights, which lead down the abortion and Roe v. Wade rabbit hole. During that nightmare rant, she said she thinks fathers of pregnant women should have more rights when it comes to a woman deciding to have an abortion, since the child is part his, too.

"But you think women should have more rights. Explain to me how your view of abortion and men's rights contributes to giving women more rights in that case." Of course, she had no response to that, other than to pivot to how she thinks Planned Parenthood is an evil organization that deserves defunding.

My friend who isn’t MAGA but hates the Dems go into a big fight with her progressive son. Now he’s not talking to her which is sad. Just don’t talk politics if no minds are going to change and you’ll end up hating each other.

R15 Again, as I stated before, my sister agreed to never talk politics. But I couldn't be silent when SHE brought up Biden and her happiness over his prognosis.

Those people are in a cult, they need to be deprogrammed. Trying to discuss thing with them in a regular manner will never work.

These people are in cult, they deserve a Jonestown ending.

[quote] R4] no, both parties are going too far on things.

There are extremists on both sides, but the key difference is they are in charge on the right and are a minority fringe on the left.

When I’m with people I disagree with I just say I disagree. But I’m not going to argue with you because it’s pointless. Arguing with sane people is fine but arguing with zealots is a waste of time.

Curious how Joe Biden “went too far.” What specifically?

There are lots of people on the left who can’t be talked to. If you’re not with them 100% you’re the enemy. But the MAGA crowd is more insane.

OP?

Sure, Jan.

People like your sister cannot be helped, OP. You’ll have to put her down.

At one point during our conversation, my sister said a friend told her about a school in Texas where parents opted out of having their kids participate in sex education class, but the kids were forced to participate anyway. That story sounded fishy to me, so while I was on the phone with her, I did an online search to find that story.

Turns out a school district in Texas had a policy of having parents "opting in" on sex education class. The parents would get a memo from the school detailing what was included in the class, and the parents had to sign the memo to allow their kids to participate. If the signed memo wasn't returned, the kids couldn't participate. That policy was recently changed to an "opt out" process, which was similar. However, the memo the parents receive now requires them to sign and return the memo only if they DON'T want their kids to participate. If they don't sign and return the memo, the kids get sex education training. This confused some parents (mainly the ones who couldn't be bothered to read the memo), and they claimed their kids were "forced" into sex education.

I explained it to my sister and told her that her friend had the facts wrong. I then asked my sister if she ever bothered to look into the facts about that story or if she just accepted her friend's tale without question. My sister said she always trusts what her friend tells her because she's "very intelligent."

Big mistake, obviously. Ah, the power of simple research.

My older sister was one of my best friends and most ardent supporters until 2008. We were playing blackjack during our annual week in Vegas and she asked me what I thought about McCain v Obama. I said that I did not mind McCain, but I would be voting for Obama since we'd had eight years of Bush Jr. and we needed a big change. She replied that Obama was the Antichrist. Say, what?!?!

I distanced myself from her after that comment, which had to have been something she heard – not something she thought up. Eight years later, she went full-on MAGA. I'll admit that I was not truly appalled by Trump at the time of his first election, but within weeks, it became clear to me that Trump was unhinged. Over the course of Trump's first term, our parents, brother, and nearly all of our family cut ties with her completely. She and her son stormed out of Thanksgiving dinner in 2017 and we haven't seen or spoken to her since.

She has left several voicemails over the years, begging to reconcile, crying about "family" etc. Our brother's son is getting married in July and she is not invited. She asked some of her friends that the rest of us are friends with on Facebook to post a long screed on her behalf when she learned about the wedding. It served only to affirm how off the rails and brainwashed she still is. I have no regrets.

R26 I would reach out and be kind to her, but make clear you do not want to discuss politics.

You can't reason with hyper-partisans, just doesn't work. True for those who cried replacing the shuffling, mentally meandering Biden was "stabbing MY JOE in the back!"

I don't believe in that "family first" nonsense, I didn't hesitate to cut out MAGA family members.

I started cutting MAGA out of my life back in 2015. No exceptions.

I’m the mother of a gay man. It took me all of 30 seconds to understand that Trump was pandering to rightwing lunatics and those people are a direct threat to my son and his partner.

Fuck them. No MAGA in my life ever. No exceptions.

R26 Unfortunately, the Tea Party/MAGA racists were really starting to percolate in 2008. John McCain was appalled by how nasty and vile by some of the comments about Obama.

The Tea Party/MAGA later refused to vote for Mitt Romney because he was a "cultist, not a Christian."

[quote]People like your sister cannot be helped, OP. You’ll have to put her down.

Yep, R24, I think her illness is more profound and terminal than Biden's.

R16. No, I understand the impulse (and what may feel like ethical obligation) not to stay silent in the presence of such ugliness. I wonder if another approach might be simply not to engage—walk away, end the interaction, tell her she needs to leave, if she’s at your place. If you are out in a public place, have an exit strategy (separate cars, separate checks, whatever). She will, no doubt, continue to froth at the mouth like the rabid bitch she appears to be, but you just don’t engage. (Like passive resistance in the civil rights protests). She’ll probably be so astonished that you actually absent yourself that she’ll either go no contact, or flood you with texts, FB postings—again, just act like these don’t exist. That is your best review and if it means you aren’t in touch until such time as regains some sanity and/or decency, so be it. My b-in-law is a lifelong Republican and voted for Trump three times, though I think by the last time it was in spite of Trump—he might have done well not to vote at all, given what he says about Trump. We’ve found common ground in agreeing that both parties are disasters at the moment. We don’t get into which is more of a disaster.

I had a grad school/professional friend who moved, in his late fifties and after three decades of living in Georgia (he grew up on Ling Island) from being a moderate liberal (he came out after ten years of marriage and a son with whom he has a chilly relationship) , but now politically is a MAGAt and, around the election, posted what were apparently vicious comments about liberals, to the point where mutual friends from grad school and professional circles, wrote me to ask if he had had some kind of mental breakdown. No, just general resentment towards women (he did not do well with some female colleagues), bitterness about being deposed as chair when his colleagues couldn’t take it any more, and a general sense that he would have had a more illustrious career were it not for all the DEI or Affirmative Actoons that kept him (and me, he would add) from getting jobs at R-1 institutions. We typically speak once a year and FB and email other times. I’ve unfriended him and we’re not in email contact. I have no idea if he’ll try the annual call (he almost always initiates it) end of the summer. If he does, it will just go to voicemail—guess I’m ghosting him. Perhaps some would say I’m being cowardly by evading him rather that confronting him. We’re both retired—I don’t have the energy to engage in dialogue with someone who won’t or can’t listen. He’s never been rude to me, but it makes me sad that we are so split at this time of life.

To continue on the R25 story, my sister then said she believes sex education should be taught at home by the parents, not in schools. I reminded her that her grandson got his girlfriend pregnant at age 18 and is now, at 21, the father of a 3-year-old son.

"Obviously, that didn't work out too well, did it?" I couldn't resist.

Next time don’t be a weak cunt and stick to your stated position. No politics. This “ I couldn’t let go” is the sign of the weak minded

Be stronger next time.

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The biggest/craziest MAGA pastor I knew got arrested for hiring a male escort.

Cultists gotta Cult dear

R33 My sister lives in another state, so I rarely see her and our interactions are only over the phone. I can't tell you how many times she's tried to bait me with stories of "illegals" and "trans people" during our conversations, and I have consistently remained completely silent when she brings these subjects, never even commenting with a single word. I have absolutely refused to engage.

But I couldn't let the Biden comment go. What made it worse is that I'm currently undergoing treatment for the same type of cancer that Biden has, so for her to express happiness over Biden's ill health, when she knows that I also have prostate cancer, to me was unconscionable. I couldn't remain silent.

Like your former friend, it's easier for me to ghosts friends I used to speak to who have gone full MAGA. I simply cut them out of my life. It's not as simple with family.

MAGA women dig there heals in deep for reasons such as R1 stated and the mentality validates their life of being nothing more than a wife and mother. They hold great contempt for career women who don't worship men as a lifestyle.

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OP the only reason you said anything is because it was a girl and a sister. If you were somewhere where some truck driver looking kind of guy or lesbian was saying worse you would have been as quiet as the church mouse who is supposed to be really quiet.

R35 It's the "weak minded" who let Trump take over again.

Currently, the ONLY thing important to me is the FAFO movement proceeding briskly and literally destroying the MAGAts entirely.

I'm waiting for farmers to end up in the gutter and committing suicide, decades-long family businesses going bankrupt, forced births for MAGA women, all of it.

I'm mean as a snake and I. Can't. Wait.

I simply could not have a relationship with her OP or anyone who is MAGA. They are destroying our nation- I hope not permanently.

Defenestration is my preferred method of dealing with MAGA former friends and family.

My brother turned full on maggot after dump was installed the first time.

We were able to remain civil to each other until Covid. Then he just went totally psycho. He ended up in the hospital with a ruptured appendix- it was bad. The asshole threw a hissy fit about having to wear a mask. I mean, he was full Karen.

I had to take off work and fly down to Floriduh to take care of his dog while he was in the hospital and have him discharged to me.

He did nothing but scream and rant about Covid was a hoax and nobody is going to tell him what he can and can’t do - on and on.

It’s exhausting listening to that bullshit. And it is CONSTANT SCREAMING at the top of his lungs about “illegals” and “mah gunz!!!!!”

I made the mistake of asking him how he was coming along rebuilding his truck and he started screaming-literally- about how he can’t afford or find part because of Joe Biden.

You simply cannot have a conversation with fucked up cultists.

We underestimate the power of propaganda. While the mainstream media has been criticized as having a liberal bias, that is very different from a conscious policy of persuasion without concern for facts that exists on the right. Even MSNBC, which on occasion crosses the line, is journalism with a definite point of view more than propaganda. The distinction is, I think, ultimately whether truth is respected as an end in itself. The right subordinates truth to other objectives. The left is science while the right is religion. The left has universal aspirations while the right is tribal.

The two sides are psychologically different. There is something addictive about experiencing fear and disgust for many conservatives. It traces to the tribal foundations of their identity . So when they turn to right wing propaganda they get hooked. Anger, fear and disgust are a form of entertainment.

I don’t think the same applies to the left. I think most people on the left are inclined to turn away from the news when it makes them afraid or disgusted. At the very least they are going to view watching the news as a civic duty to be endured, not as entertainment. They may tune in for a while, but they will not wallow in it. So those on the left are not temperamentally suited to propaganda. That doesn’t mean they are immune, but they don’t crave it.

Of course this is a generalization. There are people in both sides who don’t fit the pattern

Like you wouldn't be cheering if Trump got some incurable fatal illness.

R47 Really great observation there.

I agree with you; conservatives almost seem to "get off" on outrage and fear, while liberals tend to want to find ways to make it all end.

I love when a MAGA dumbo uses the "no one is going to tell me what to do" but then they allow and expect others to do what Trumps says. Both sides of the mouth always. Antifa, FBI, bad actors then patriots at Jan 6. Planted documents then had the right to take them. I recently commented to MAGA family member that it was quite lovely how Trump graciously pardoned all those Antifa, bad actors and FBI undercover agents for Jan 6.

R38. I understand that it is harder with family. My husband has mid-stage Alzheimer’s, so all the Schadenfreude over Biden’s cognitive decline hits too close to home (and I think Biden should not have gone as far into the campaign—from my observation, the person with dementia often is either in denial or part of the illness is not being able to recognize the decline in the self). I think my b-in-law is less inclined to take strong political stances these days because almost every waking moment is dedicated to caring for my sister, who has been living with glioblastoma for five years (decided aphasia and mobility issues, but otherwise in surprisingly good health with no evidence of remaining or new tumors in the MRIs she has every two months)—he’s too exhausted to get worked up and has had his own health challenges (gallbladder removal in February).

Ironically, the no-longer friend had prostate cancer 10 or 12 years ago and had successful surgery. I doubt in his case that would make him more sympathetic to Mr. Biden.

R48 demonstrates the "yeah, but..." signature response of the MAGA cult.

What I get really bummed about is how they have successfully created this fictional version of Biden as some deeply corrupt criminal who is to blame for everything bad. Never mind there are no facts, evidence or proof.

How does it may them feel that a half-dead "Sleepy" Joe Biden did this?

R48 Trump IS an incurable fatal illness.

R54 According to my sister, Biden destroyed the economy and Trump brought it back.

I told her to check her 401K from a year ago, then check it again today and get back to me.

They're allowed to just say whatever they feel, not think. Forbes has no incentive to fabricate this

Anti-vaxxer brother who rants about the Covid vaccine. He loves Joe Rogan, too.

Sigh

When President Biden was in office, he was held directly responsible for the high cost of groceries and gasoline. As soon as their effort to install orange in office again was achieved, the president is not responsible for inflation?

[quote] What made it worse is that I'm currently undergoing treatment for the same type of cancer that Biden has,

Good Lord, man. You kinda buried the lead here. I'm sorry you're having to deal with that on top of a cultist.

Wishing you the best, OP.

Another aspect of the right’s tribal and faith-based orientation is that the more “extreme” the ideology gets in dividing society into the tribe and the outsiders, (good and evil) the more appealing it becomes to those with a tribal mindset. There is no pull toward the center, which is accommodation and mutual respect. Rather there is a pull toward extremism. Ultimately, what is best for the tribe is the highest value and concepts like the rule of law, truth and respect for differences are tossed aside.

It’s fascism’s secret weapon.

We can only wait for them to self-destruct because faith in a strongman and a “chosen people” is not a good guidepost in a complex, international world, and because fascism’s leaders are always corrupt and out for themselves, not the people.

Sending you love and good luck, OP, from a fellow member of the cancer club.

[quote] She even claimed that racism had ended in the U.S. until Obama got into office and stirred everything up again.

Kinda, but she has it backwards. People who kept their racism quiet felt activated by Obama’s presidency and haven’t shut up for 17 years.

I have a close relative who is intelligent and well off. He knows what an imbecile that man is in the White House. But he despises the Clintons, the Obamas, the Bidens, and the Democrats. For all intents and purposes, he is full blown MAGA. He posts absolute right wing crap on Facebook. I ignore it and do not discuss politics with him. A few days ago, he posted a meme of Jill Biden with the question "Which Doctor do you trust more than Dr. Jill?" imposed on the picture. One of his friends -- another well-off, respected professional -- replied, "Dr. Josef Mengele." WTF????

I have come to the conclusion that the MAGA crowd cannot be reasoned with. It's a waste of time. Their leader gives voice to their hatreds, fears, and bigotry. They have completely dehumanized and demonized their perceived enemies. And it says a lot about who and what they are.

"The left is science while the right is religion. The left has universal aspirations while the right is tribal"

Yes, until the "men get pregnant and women have penises" groupthink of the past few years. And if you don't think that, you'd better OR ELSE.

Huh?

R3 is a piece of shit in Susan Collins’ panties.

Short video on what happened during the American Civil War:

"How the Civil War Split Families Apart"

R64, seems like the groupthink is coming from people like you who are obsessed with picking on a minority group that makes up .6% of the population.

None of you cared about trans people before you fell for the right-wing culture war

Look. I feel that most white MAGAs thrive in a grievance mentality that characterizes the whole movement. It’s not about educational achievement, but a more basic sense of entitlement they think they deserve more than “others.” Lots of white people believe that they are superior to black and brown people just because and they feel seen and appreciated by Trump and his minions. Propaganda just reinforces this. Blame people of color, immigrants, non-Christians, LGBTs, highly educated elites, and so on. It’s not based on science or facts, but it makes them feel better about themselves. This is how MAGAs and rightwing media have successfully taken over the political and social landscape.

Every group that voted for Trump 2 has similar irrational grievances. Blacks demonize immigrants. Hispanics demonize illegal immigrants. Evangelical Bible beaters demonize gays and trans. There is always some class of people who are their enemies. MAGA encourages and catalyzes the current class warfare. The concept that a rising tide lifts all boats has been replaced by I’ve got my boat, get the fuck away from it. Oh, and I’ll sink yours so you drown.

At this point, it’s irrelevant how or when this cultural shift began. It is here and it is pervasive. I’m not sure when it will pass either.

This is sad. She seems like a hopeless case, a moron lost to a cult. I don't know what you can tell her that would make any difference at all. I think I'd just be blunt and say that her opinions all seem stupid, she never seems to think anything through, and if she wants to keep sounding like a dumb cunt she should keep praising Trump, the shittiest and most worthless president ever and a man who clearly intends to be a dictator if we let him.. But I'm mean that way.

I’d be done with her, OP, especially with your health update/context at R38. Full estrangement is justified, though i understand the reluctance to go so absolute. But I would. I’m sorry it has gotten like this.

Fox News steals the brains and souls of stupid relatives. Usually it is parents.

r47 - It has to do with a tribal/authoritarian mindset and an unconscious desire to be angry.

[bold]We have never been subjected to real left-wing propaganda during our lifetimes, except for expanding rights to marginalized groups. [/bold]Early in the 20th century, there were the muckrakers, and writers such as Sinclair Lewis and Upton Sinclair turned a keen critical eye on America's economic foundations.

But we haven't seen that in a while. Not since the environmental movement took off.

Real leftwing propaganda would make short work of all the billionaires, muckrakers would photograph their wealth and contrast it to the poverty of their workers. Books would be written on widespread fraud and overtreatment in medicine, dentistry, and the veterinary fields. Again, contrasted with the greed of insurance companies and the unserved poor. Spreading to other industries.

There would be an entire media ecosystem whose basic message -- these plutocrats are stealing from YOU!

The MAGAs would be the first to start hating the rich!

Real left wing propaganda would be Luigi murals.

[quote] People like your sister cannot be helped, OP. You’ll have to put her down.

I'm available!

It might be fun to try and put down a human.

It should be the overriding theme both next year and in 2028 r73. The Democrats have got to stop having inane arguments with ourselves about whether woke or anti-woke is the real way to go, and wage a full on, Fuck the Rich campaign. Enough dicking around. This shitty stupid fuck everyone who isn't a billionaire budget should be 99% of what all Democrats are talking about these days. They're not hiding their belief that the average American is a useless fucking loser who should just roll over and die. Acknowledge that, and use it.

Your sister needs a kick in the cuntbone!

Most MAGAts I've encountered are bitter old bitches, pissed that their life didn't turn out like they wanted. Trump gives them someone to blame for their lot in life.

Is your sister a bitter old bitch OP?

My sister and her husband sent their hard-earned money to Trump. I asked her why she would finance a multi-billionaire. How much did he contribute to his own campaign?

Most Americans are terrible people.

If someone told me 10 years ago that the world was going to look like it does now, absolutely nothing would have convinced me to believe it.

On one hand, I want to say it is the human mind facing its limits and starting to unravel with a reality that is being manipulated by ever smarter technology. Yet, MAGA is something that is really overwhelmingly affecting the US. Other countries, while facing similar forces, are still holding their own in terms of sanity. So far.

Were I religious, I would seriously wonder if Trump is the actual Antichrist. As an outsider, the case really seems convincing.

R69 Right. It's a play on the old Nazi strategy famously enunciated by Pastor Martin Niemöller when he himself became a prisoner at Dachau.

"First they came for...".

r82 - I see your Martin Niemöller and raise you Dietrich Bonhoeffer.

[quote]The theologian who said killing Hitler was justifiable and not a sin, while grappling with the implications, was Dietrich Bonhoeffer. Bonhoeffer, a German pastor and anti-Nazi dissident, was executed by the Nazis in 1945. He participated in plots to assassinate Hitler, recognizing it as an evil that needed to be stopped, though he struggled with the idea of betraying his calling as a minister.

R78 She has no reason to be bitter. She had a long and successful career and made good money. She owns her own home in a nice neighborhood and retired about 15 years ago. She could - and should - be enjoying her life, but when I talk to her on the phone, it's a constant barrage of grievances, usually about the dumbest, most insignificant things.

A friend of a friend of mine is an older guy whose wife recently died from Alzheimer’s. They were very well off “corporate MAGAt”s. They watched Fox News all the time like so many we know. As her condition worsened, ALL she did was sit glued in front of the TV watching Fox News. Like every moment she wasn’t asleep, she was glued to it. She got even more lost into the spiral and started accusing the husband of being in cahoots with Hillary Clinton and Obama, etc. She would hurl horrible comments at him, clearly forgetting who he even was. She did the same thing to their son when he came to visit. Literally her entire Alzheimer’s induced world was a Fox News conspiracy and she was the victim.

I wish this were not a true story. Everyone was relieved when she passed. But just imagine the nightmare they lived through… thanks Fox News.

Thank you, R60!

[quote]Fox News steals the brains and souls of stupid relatives. Usually it is parents.

Funny you should post that, R72, because just yesterday I told my sister it'd be interesting to have neuroscientists do comprehensive longitudinal studies of MAGAs' brains--PET and CAT scans, MRIs, etc to see if their brains (or certain areas thereof) show the same or similar kinds of (for lack of a better word) damage caused by toxoplasmosis.

Have you tried a shovel to her head? And with the shovel you can then dig a hole.

My dyke sister was always a freak conservative hoping that daddy wouldn’t beat her and finally love her so she is full MAGA MAGAT

I have a cousin that was basically the town prostitute, big drinker/drugged, and had multiple abortions. Then she found Jesus and now loves Trump move than her own children.

I have people in my life who are Trumpers. We don't discuss politics or anything Trump. I refuse to allow Trump to ruin my personal relationships.

Just leave the 25% dead-enders alone. It's the self-declared independents, along with some registered Rs who count.

If you have the joy of no MAGATs among your immediate family members, read this thread and remember just how lucky you really are.

I do understand that r91. I get that people do not want to let politics infest every part of their lives. But really, no kidding, no exaggeration, Trump is a real danger to democracy itself. It is so beyond, well, we disagree about tax policy or law and order or immigration. He is an actual danger to all of us. Yes, I know, MARY! But really he is. He hates this country's traditions and he hates this country's constitution. You have to deal with that when you deal with Trump. You can't pretend it's just some typical disagreement about left and right, or Republican and Democrat. It's much more than that.

[quote]I have people in my life who are Trumpers. We don't discuss politics or anything Trump. I refuse to allow Trump to ruin my personal relationships.

Replace "Trumpers" with racists. Or pedophiles. Or Nazis. Have you stated your boundaries?

[quote]Replace "Trumpers" with racists. Or pedophiles. Or Nazis. Have you stated your boundaries?

Even though we don't discuss politics, my friends know who I am and where I stand on specific issues. I can't know what's in the hearts and minds of my friends who are Trumpers. I don't know what they say or do when I'm not in the room. I do know that some of them are the types who just won't vote democratic no matter who is on the ballot.

I am totally in favor of cutting people out of my life who no longer bring me joy. I'm not in favor of removing people based on who they vote for.

Maybe my way of thinking is naive, but I'm tired of the overanalysis and constant focus on the Trump voters. Personally, I don't blame them for Trump; I blame the 8 million Biden voters who decided to stay at home this time.

[quote] Personally, I don't blame them for Trump; I blame the 8 million Biden voters who decided to stay at home this time.

hmmm, this really doesn't make you seem very honest or real. Seems like you are doing absolutely everything you can to make your Trumpista friends absolutely innocent and faultless and everything somebody else's fault. You need to think about that.

Interesting.

I didn’t LIKE most republicans 10 years ago. But unlike today, I didn’t HATE them either.

Going back to Reagan with AIDS spinning more out of control than it needed to and disbanding mental institutions leading to the homeless crisis we are left with today, or objection to literally any changes to the health care disaster of today where the “efficient private sector” has made us the model of bureaucratic inefficiency in health care, or tax cuts and the conversion to “financial responsibility” when needed to hypocritically use as an issue they use to punish democrats who try to fix the nightmare deficits they created, to stealing an election from Al Gore, who when faced with the same 9/11 that would have still happened, would have used it as a call to move to electric vehicles to address climate change and kill oil overlords so Middle East nations don’t get to be as rich and powerful as they are today - that was probably the last good chance we had to really address global warming,, to….

They have gotten pretty much EVERY big issue wrong.

And all that was BEFORE Trump. With all that, I only didn’t LIKE them. Today, I truly HATE them. I hope we as a country can survive them, but I honestly don’t know these days.

Ok 2020 and in March SARS Covid 19 hit us hard. I"m a ECMO Specialist Perfusion. We had six Covid ICUs and the one at the top(16th floor) was called the "Last Resort". Because that's where the ECMO patients were. Death after death and so ill prepared for the thousands coming to our ER. I have severe PTSD. When the vaccine was given to the frontliners first it was such a relief. We all celebrated the vaccine. Finally a breakthrough and less Covid death etc.

And then in 2021 Delta hit us. And we honestly thought that the anti vaxxers would get vaccinated. NOPE.

I took care of a young man with 3 children who got Covid. And he never got the Covid vaccine. I work nightshift and the nurse gave his wife a call to tell her what was going on and update. Nurse asks her if she had gotten the Covid vaccine? And the wife says NO and her husband doesnt have Covid and he's dying from the flu. Are you kidding me?? WTF. And he died. For what? Own the Libs? YOUR DEAD.

I don't give a flying fuck about MAGATS and will not have them in my life. You think Covid is fake and vaccines kill you and not Covid? Die in a grease fire!!!! Please take horse wormer, Ivermectin. Please take vitamins and inject alcohol. And bow down to IQ45/47 and RFK Jr. Please don't come to ER when sick.

The most unfortunate thing was making politics into entertainment. Most people have less to talk about as their free time is split between partisan tv news, social media partisans and podcast pundits.

OP I bet your sis listens to the Meghan Kelly show. She says stuff like that delivered like a bitchy cheerleader.

So is mine. We don't speak.

She has no idea that she's shit on a couple hundred thousand dollars when I die.

No humble brag. I would have taken care of her.

Magats are just stupid people, they have to be. My Trump loving neighbor asked me why I didn't take Ivermectin when I caught Covid in February. I said "because I'm not a fucking idiot". Three days later she leaves me a voice mail stating " I need a ride ". I never responded so a couple of days later she gets all assertive and asks me why I didn't give her a ride and I said " Because I'm not your personal Uber and the neighbors who have given you a ride say that you don't even offer them gas money". She just stood there trying to think of a response, these are dumb people. If your car is in the shop and you need transportation call your orange god.

[quote]The right subordinates truth to other objectives. The left is science while the right is religion.

Exactly. Despite scores of scientific studies, nothing will convince people on the right that a male individual who has jizzed fountains of sperm from his real testicles, can actually become a woman.

I think the whole Trans rights movement is way off base on everything they do and say. But anybody who voted for a cunt like Trump because they don't like trans people is a motherfucking moron and needs a dick punch and a cunt punch and an ass punch and every other punch that anybody can deliver.

and I should clarify at r105. I think Trans people have the same right as any other people to live their lives, but they seem to be doing everything they can to alienate everyone who isn't Trans. They need a new strategy. But nothing, absolutely nothing justifies voting for a shitweasel like Trump. Nothing.

I beg of all… please don’t turn this into another trans thread…

R26, I think you should reconsider your family’s treatment of your sister. She should be invited to the family wedding. just don’t talk politics with her. Everyday it becomes more apparent that Trump is a conman whose only real goal is to make money (and screw his enemies along the way.) It ‘s sad to destroy a family over a con artist. Trump is not Hitler and it’s just crazy to act like he is. He is not worth destroying families and friendships for.

Kill her! Kill her mommie!

You do seem like you are reveling a little in the bitterness r26. You don't really seem like the hero you think you are here. Kind of a cunt actually, even if your sister isn't great.

This thread (and countless others on the other side) are doing Putin’s work for him.

The weaponizing of FOX and various “-isms” to turn Americans against each other are the enemy.

Everybody should hate Trump, yes, hate Trump. That actually should unite us. Everything else is relatively trivial. But hatred of Trump should be the default setting at this point. There is obviously nothing good that cunt is ever going to do about anything. If you don't get that, you don't get anything.

Pam Voorhees at R109, you would've been MAGA. That is, if you hadn't lost your head.

"Personally, I don't blame Hitler for frying the Jews. I blame the people who aren't doing anything about it."

R103 I have a friend whose next door neighbor was a MAGAt and refused to get vaccinated or wear a mask in public. She would leave leaflets in his and his neighbors' mailboxes that said things like "COVID is a liberal lie" and "Fauci for prison." Then she died of COVID.

After her death, her son sent him an invitation to her memorial service. At the bottom of the invite, it said "No masks allowed."

My friend sent the invite back with the words "Fuck you, you fucking idiot" written on it.

I know I'm kind of all over the place on this thread, but honestly r115 not loving that. Yes, she was stupid and in a weird way kind of killed herself. But I'm not loving that reaction. I would even say it would be okay to write something like, hey, not masking killed your mother. But something about that fuck you, idiot seems like just cunting for the sake of cunting, like loving the fact that she is dead, which is actually a shitty way to go through life.

Can we seriously not find a way to call out Trump and the trumpista cult without actually making ourselves the biggest cunts in cuntville?

R116 His response was 100% correct and appropriate.

The dude's mother was a COVID denier who harassed her neighbors with anti-vax bullshit and who ultimately died from what she denied. Then her stupid son has the nerve to actually print "no masks allowed" on a memorial service invitation to remember a woman known to be an anti-masker who died from being an anti-masker.

"Fuck you, you fucking idiot" was the kindest response the idiot should have received.

you don't believe that r117. You don't. You know that was cunty, and we should all admit that.

R118 Nope. I completely believe it, and I completely support it.

COVID deniers are fucking idiots and deserve to be called out for it. Zero tolerance or sympathy for them.

Well okay then. I think he was being a cunt, but okay, what can anyone do about it? cunts gotta cunt and people gotta say what they say. So let it be written, so let it be done.

R120 The cunt in this story is the COVID denying, neighbor harassing cunt who died of COVID.

well, one of the cunts was that r121. Sorry, we're just never going to agree on this.

R122 Fine. But keep this in mind - if it wasn't for these COVID denying cunts, countless lives could have been saved.

Good point R101, politics is our bread and circuses. The monoculture is dead, everyone has their own niche music, TV and movies which they consume solo. Politics unites the tribes

. . . and is (intentionally, I believe) seeking to destroy the Union

R116 No. we can’t. I wish we could, but we can’t.

I’ve never had a problem with forgiveness. I’ve been the first person to help someone who treated me like shit. I wish no harm to anyone.

But this MAGA disease is something different. It’s like weeds taking over the garden. If we don’t treat it ruthlessly it will overwhelm and destroy us.

We can’t be like the Jews of 1930s Germany. We can’t deny the danger and we can’t offer understanding to those who would destroy us.

I don’t advocate violence, but I do advocate absolute shaming, disrespecting and shunning.

Those of us who see MAGA for what it is are still the majority. We must band together and show the minority how absolutely unacceptable and deplorable they are.

We can’t win them over. We can’t change them. They’re too far gone in their hatred, ignorance and delusion.

We have to show them through shunning that their cult has no place in an enlightened and decent society and we will not allow them to drag the rest of us into the muck in which they wallow.

I have no pity, understanding or compassion for any of the MAGATS I cut out of my life.

[quote]Those of us who see MAGA for what it is are still the majority. We must band together and show the minority how absolutely unacceptable and deplorable they are.

That's all fine and good, but 75 million dumb dumbs voted for him, and the vast majority of Trump voters kept it to themselves. The people who go to his rallies, put the Trump flags in their front yards, and storm the Capitol are the minority. Most Trump voters are not bold and in-your-face with it.

I think there are three types of Trump voters. 1) The crazies; 2) The Social Media (Mostly Facebook)/Message Board Trumpers; and 3) The ones who never say a word about it (the biggest group).

R126 This is the kind of gentle kindness we need to see more of. Let’s not act like those anti war civil rights protestors in the. 1960s or maga might act if they had a chance.

no violence and shunning the majority of voters in America and those that now run our national government, I can almost smell the victory that is coming..

First, if the parents are alive, take them out.

R127 We have to keep in mind that Trump's 2024 victory wasn't all that phenomenal. He received 49.81% of the popular vote, just over 3% more than Harris, who got 48.34% of the vote. It wasn't a landslide by any means. Also keep in mind that only 64% of the population voted in the 2024 election.

If Democrats can convince more people to vote, MAGA can be crushed.

[quote] I can't know what's in the hearts and minds of my friends who are Trumpers

Yes, you can. In fact, it’s pretty obvious.

You can delude yourself about them, but that’s your choice.

r130 You do realize, of course, that the popular vote means absolutely nothing.

R132 Wrong.

r133 Oh, really?

R130 a great uplifting summary. No mention however of how we lost all 7 battle ground states, the House, the Senate , and the White House. And 3+ more years to strengthen their hold on the courts.

No mention how the democrats are losing support from their own normally strong base.

Good luck in that voter turn out thing for 2028. I have a bad feeling it’s going to be harder to pull off not easier. They have 3 years to make voting harder or less dem leaning.

For the Democratic Party 2028 could look a lot like 1968 .

Tuning in after a day or two.. how come OP got greyed out?

[Quote] no, both parties are going too far on things.

No, no they’re not.

You’re making a false equivalency argument here.

Trumpism/MAGA is extreme and has gone too far. Trumpism/MAGA is mainstream in the Republican Party. Trump was their candidate THREE TIMES.

Poseur progressivism is definitely a problem for the democrats, but it’s a fringe. It’s not mainstream. Neo-progs run for the nomination and always lose. A centrist Democrat always wins.

R136 I am wondering the same thing.

R135 Didn’t lose the house in that we didn’t have it to begin with and actually gained seats… even against the MAGA tsunami.

But just wait till the thugs get the Supremes to let them remove illegals from the next census, which they will. That will shift a good 10m population base further to red districts and translate into more R seats and less electoral college votes for blue states.

R136 Not greyed out for my asbestos eyeballs.

it is grey and when its greyed out, all participants get placed on a time out

R141 OP here. The thread's not greyed out for me, and I continue to post on it with no problem.

People need to adjust their settings. Put “asbestos eyeballs” and it will come back to life.

If the thread is greyed out, it's likely the work of MAGA troll Hortense. She hates threads that call out her cult.

Look, the heads in the sand crowd are so butt hurt they killed this thread.

r115

[quote]My friend sent the invite back with the words "Fuck you, you fucking idiot" written on it.

That is the only response when invited to a no-mask super spreader event.

You all saying this is a propaganda war are not wrong. And you know who is behind it. Putin and his bitches starting with traitor Flynn and spreading like the Black Death across the country.

All the brocasting incels paid by Tenant media. FACTS.

Roger Stone and his domestic terrorist buddies.

It's a fucking plague.

R147 is a fool.

As I've said here many times before, you cannot argue logic with a maggot. Maggots are CULTISTS. I have no relationship with a family member because of this.

They are indoctrinated, angry and dumb. The very definition of pointless.

Hit a nerve, r148?

R150 Yes, it's obvious you did. Notice no comeback from R148 other than calling you a "fool."

The intellect of the MAGA cult is truly off the charts.

Does anyone else here watch Sully Dawg on Instagram?

Te guy hilariously rips apart all the MAGA bullshit by using SOLO cops in his arguments. Simple and effective. He's a real gem.

Your sister will not be able to say she didn't know, it's all out in the open

[quote] it's all out in the open

...and they're proud of that.

I fear Speaker Mikey getting the job far more than Vance taking over.