In honor of Pride Month, let’s remember the trans women lost to violence

Lights out are at midnight, Father- you know that.

LINK....[bold] This is the president of the HRC. Does she/them look like she represents YOU? [/bold] She also loves Dylan Mulvaney.

I don't even care about this tired topic at all and even I had an argument with some young little cunt who insisted that a transwoman initiated Stonewall.

Eleanor Roosevelt was the firs trans women of color to live in the White House AND be featured in a Broadway musical about a ginger orphan with a dog.

Several years ago, after they started the weird yearly countdown of "TRANS WOMEN LOST TO VIOLENCE!" sickass nonsense, I went and started looking up the names of the victims and their stories.

Pretty much every single one was a sex worker on the street and usually drugs were involved. Which doesn't mean their deaths weren't terrible but it's not quite the same as what was being projected...of trans women being murdered left and right walking down the street coming home from a hard day of social justice warrioring.

My nomination is Jenny Swift who was the victim of carceral feminism after being cruelly banged up in a men's prison after murdering a man by stabbing him in the head and neck and beating him with a shovel when high on crack cocaine.

Jenny took her own life after 6 weeks in prison but was ultimately the victim of transphobia.

#protectthedolls

Do you know who else is lost to violence every single day? "Cis" women in current or former relationships with "cis" men.

This thread is gross. Most people who are sex workers (trans or not) are doing so for survival and it does not justify them being murdered.

Some of you are really evil people.

The use of “Shaniqua” here — also racist!

Why are there so many anti-trans Nazis on DL? Don’t you all have some Truth Social threads to contribute to?

R8, I think the point is that they were killed because sex work is dangerous, not because of transphobia.

I think this thread is in extremely poor taste. Not all murdered transgendered people were sex workers. Here's some poor young person who fell in love, left everything to be with some evil woman, and was tortured and killed by her and her posse.

Just sayin'.

R10 I think you missed my point that people do dangerous work because they need to survive. And again, IT DOES NOT MEAN IT IS THEIR FAULT IF THEY ARE MURDERED. Excusing murder because of the work someone does to feed themselves is insane and evil.

Do you take actions in your life to support transgender people getting a good education, employment (other than sex work), housing, and the basic resources people need to live? If not then you are part of the problem.

R12, of course it isn't their fault. No one deserves to die for being a sex worker. But the point is TRAs are claiming that there's a high rate of murders that are transphobic hate crimes. And there isn't. Trans people aren't murdered at a higher rate than any other group. Most people's reaction to seeing a trans person is to think, "Well, that's a bit weird" and then carry on with their day - not attack them.

What I dislike about this is they are just listing deaths and making it sound like they were all murdered.

"San tragically died in Athens, Georgia on Saturday October 19, 2024." - of what? An accident.

"Honee was killed in a hit-and-run in Rochester, New York," - hit and run - traffic accident.

"Liara Tsai, a 35-year-old white transgender woman, was found dead in a vehicle" - she was killed by her transgendered partner (!!)

This is what turns people off. They are not being truthful and taking the majority of these deaths as premeditated murder on trans people - or just listing people who died and got into accidents.

It's cherry-picking and so transparent. This is the problem time and time again - they want you to believe what they tell you, despite the facts or what you can see with your own eyes.

This article is emblematic of what's wrong - you can't go around misleading or distorting things without people calling you out on your bullshit.

The first time I saw an article like this was on jezebel when someone wrote an article that was titled “THE FIRST TRANSGENDER WOMAN MURDERED IN 2016” the headline making you think they were murdered because they were trans, it tuned out they breaking in to a home and were shot to death by the homeowner. Tragic, but misleading.

So true r14. And on top of how fucking annoying it is, does anybody think this strategy of delusion and lying about everything is actually working? Does anybody in the trans rights movement think they're winning with this shit? Cause, bitches, you ain't.

R2 gee I wonder why they picked her….maybe to shut down the criticisms towards HRC’s elitism and tone deafness. 🧏🏾‍♀️

It’s going to take more than making a dynamic looking black woman, complete with cornrows, to fix that. I’m sure she’s more than qualified for the job. But still…

At least she’ll be better than the previous one who ran up expenses for traveling and hotels…

By the same logic, then make a list of all the biological women killed by their partners or from predatory men (even strangers) and call it premeditated anti-woman violence.

How do these meetings go? Do they all just nod in agreement - yes, let's make this list - just include anyone who is trans who died in the past year.

Underlying all of this is the sentiment that trans people do absolutely nothing wrong in these situations and that they are just perpetual victims. They HAD to deal drugs, they HAD to do sex work, etc.

All illegal activity or consorting with criminals is supposedly NEVER their choice and they only had to do it because life is so hard for trans.

Nobody is buying that - including all of the people in economically depressed communities who do NOT engage in illegal activities.

When Brianna / Brett Ghey was murdered in 2023 there was a level of excitement amongst many trans activists that finally there was a blameless victim they could get behind.

Despite the two teenage murderers having made plans to kill several other students at their school the TRAs argued that Brianna was killed solely because of transphobia.

The reality was that Brianna had suffered multiple mental health problems which led to physical health issues, including being groomed online by older men who loved the "t-girl in school uniform" content and Brianna was addicted to social media validation. It was because of this Brianna was out into a special class with one of the killers.

[quote]By the same logic, then make a list of all the biological women killed by their partners or from predatory men (even strangers) and call it premeditated anti-woman violence.

Yes, there is a femicide project called Counting Dead Women.

R20 - hmmm....funny how we don't hear about it though. And how is it that trans people dying in the same situations have different motivations and is only based in bigotry and hatred?

The HRC website is a mess. It's just a collection of buzz words and not much practical or real information. It's like they even know they're not doing shit about anything but fundraising.

R18 Um…most women killed by partners or strangers IS because of misogyny 🙄

This is a dumb, bigoted & unnecessary thread.

[bold] Honest question = [/bold] Do ANY of these people look like they represent GAY MEN? Honestly? Did HRC Lady "forget" to have any gay MEN on stage?

They did the same thing with Nex/Dagny Benedict. The story started out that she was beat to death in a girls bathroom by anti trans girls who were bullying her, then it changed to she didn’t die in the bathroom but as a result of her injuries, then it was she took her life because these girls were bullying her because she was trans or non binary.

The real story was that she was in a in school suspension program with other girls and they made some comment about how her and her friends laughed weird. Dagny and her friends followed the girls into the bathroom where Dagny poured water on one girl and pushed another into a paper towel dispenser. A brief altercation followed and teachers intervened to break up the fight. Later Dagny was taken to the emergency room to be checked out and interviewed by a school resource officer.

She didn’t know the other girls and had just met them through the in school suspension program. When Dagny told her story to the officer he let her know that she would be in trouble as well since she had initiated the fight. Later a friend of Dagnys checked in on her and Dagny told them she was okay other than a few scratches.

"We love LGB....but mostly TEEEEEEEE...We must praise the TEEEEE....So brave"

[quote] The reality was that Brianna had suffered multiple mental health problems which led to physical health issues, including being groomed online by older men who loved the "t-girl in school uniform" content and Brianna was addicted to social media validation. It was because of this Brianna was out into a special class with one of the killers.

R19 this is a really odd way to talk about a murdered teenager. Transphobia was a compounding factor in at least one of the murderers sentencing, so the judge did record transphobia as a factor in her murder. I suggest you take some time away from the internet.

"Transphobia" had nothing to do with why Ghey was killed, r26. The plotter of his murder was very pro-trans. The story of Brett Ghey is not the win the trans activists were hoping for when they first discovered a trans-identified kid had been killed and were joyous because they thought they could bang on about transphobia. All this story has revealed - aside from there being a bunch of messed-up kids whose parents know very little about what they're getting up to - is how many trans-identified kids have serious mental health issues, the role of social media in driving the acquisition of a trans identity and the grooming and sexualising aspects of online trans groups.

[quote][R19] this is a really odd way to talk about a murdered teenager. Transphobia was a compounding factor in at least one of the murderers sentencing, so the judge did record transphobia as a factor in her murder. I suggest you take some time away from the internet.

No, it wasn't. The teenagers drew up a kill list and Brianna was one of several school pupils on it. There were "transphobic" comments made about Brianna but Brianna was not targeted or killed because he/she was trans.

The female murderer Scarlett was able to get to know Brianna because Brianna was in special classes after a long period of severe mental health problems and eating disorders, a lot of that linked to social media use and being groomed by older men who encouraged this 14 year old boy to dress like a slutty girl.

The ITV documentary covers Brianna's grooming and how his/her mental health improved there was no access to social media.

That absolve the killers of any responsibility but it does change the false narrative of THEY KILLED HER BECAUSE SHE WAS TRANS.

R28 you’re wrong.

[quote] Mrs Justice Yip said Jenkinson, who was given a minimum term of 22 years, was motivated by a "deep desire to kill" while Ratcliffe's motivation was in part hostility to Brianna's transgender identity.

The sentencing video by the judge (around 20 mins) is available to watch online and the judge discusses explicitly how transphobia in the events affected his sentencing.

They made kill lists of other students, but Brianna’s identify was part of the reason they chose her. Therefore there was a transphobic component to the murder.

R29, Ratcliffe wasn't even the ringleader who played the biggest role in choosing Brianna - that was pro-trans Scarlett - and his so-called "transphobia" entailed a couple of dumb teenager comments on WhatsApp. I'd say his father being a perv who takes porn pics of underage kids had more of an influence on Radcliffe's addled mindset, but the judge declined to consider that.

The reason Brianna was eventually chosen as the victim was because he was the one available on that day.

The ideologically captured Crown Prosecution Service pushed hard to try to spin this as a murder motivated by transphobia and the best they got was Yip's equivocal comment, which is pretty weak, especially in the full context of her reasoning.

There's a reason why the trans activists in the UK have completely dropped any mention of Brianna, and it's because they realised that his murder and its context open up a can of worms for them.

Here’s the sentencing video I mentioned before. Justice Yip details Ratcliffe’s transphobia in detail, and also mentions homophobic messages he sent in the lead up to the murder. “I want to see if it screams like a man or a girl” is undeniably transphobic, and the judge factored these comments (and others) into the sentencing, and forgive me if I take the judge more seriously than a couple of anti trans freaks on datalounge.

This is not OP hating trans so much, she revels in their murder. Because OP is a very stable individual.

R32 is a typical trans supporter response - not looking at the fact that there are deaths included that were accidents or even one murdered by their also trans partner.

Nobody is denying the real violence and threats that trans people get - because as gays and lesbians, we've been dealing with that shit too our WHOLE LIVES.

But instead R32 twists is around that any criticism is from unstable people who revel in murder.

You're sick R32.

[Quote] is a typical trans supporter response

No, you deranged person, it’s not “trans support” to think it’s weird you’re celebrating the murder of trans people.

R34 twisting words again, like a typical trans activist. No one is celebrating anyone's murder.

R34 - deranged takes on a new meaning when you're accusing people of 'celebrating' murder when no one has done any of that in this thread.

But logic, fairness and common sense aren't common among you knee-jerk supporters.

Next up - queue the insult brigade - NAZI! FASCIST! CONSERVATIVE! REPUBLICAN! TERF!

[quote]Pretty much every single one was a sex worker on the street and usually drugs were involved.

I saw one of these lists a few years ago and most of the deaths were either 1. at the hands of a boyfriend or 2. in an argument with a roommate over money or drugs. Situations that could and do happen to anyone, no matter their identity. But HRC et al. try to make every death a hate crime.

Obviously nobody should be getting murdered but it's just a weirdly dishonest narrative.

R37 - a dishonest narrative that destroys credibility and support. It's all histrionics and drama.

But you're not supposed to question it! THAT is your problem.

Stop thinking so much and just believe.

Gay men built HRC. Now it is run by women. And I don't feel their agenda gives a damn about gay men. LINK....Did they "forget" to give GAY MEN a page?

Not a single RESOURCE PAGE for GAY MEN. Even Bisexuals get one. Not gay men. Has anyone asked the WOMEN running HRC?

Dataloungers - this thread is in very poor taste period. I am not a huge fan of how trans was rolled out but I nonetheless see a group of folks in pain much like the gay community. But to post stuff like this? Tasteless. WE are all GOd's creatures. And if you don't believe in GOd at the very least you should believe in HUMAN RIGHTS. SO posting stuff like this? It's awful. Stop. Do better you evil f---ers. Seriously, this self hatred is showing a bit too much in some of these writings.

R41 = You type drunk. You aren't the Moral Authority of Datalounge. We don't need your bible thumping. Maybe you should talk about organizations who raise money in the name of Gay Men and then post endless praise on social media about ONE PART of the LGB+TEEEEEEEE.

R41 is a hall monitor who doesn't like anything about trans or, in this case, precisely a press release about trans 'murders' some of which aren't actually murders but accidents or killed by their partners.

R41 doesn't want you to say or do anything except support everything trans and to question nothing.

R41 IS the problem in our community. Equating discourse and questioning issues to violence and not wanting human rights for people. That's not at all what is being said here and once again, they twist words or call us out for doing something that we are NOT doing.

R43 here - typo - 'anything discussed about trans' not doesn't like anything trans.

[quote] some of which aren't actually murders but accidents or killed by their partners.

R43 I think if you get killed by your partner that counts as murder babe.

R45 - yes - but it doesn't mean they were killed because they were trans - which is what the article and press release wants you to believe.

Including one who was killed by their trans partner - both trans. So why list it? (They don't mention the specifics in these blurbs at all - on purpose).

The intent was to say X many trans are killed for being who they are and specifically for being trans. That's what they want you to believe.

The reality is much different when you read the stories - and it's insulting and purposefully misleading.

Pay it no mind!

Glub, glub, glub.

[quote] but it doesn't mean they were killed because they were trans

But that’s not what you said. You’re talking about people twisting words and then you’re not even making sense yourself.

[quote]I think if you get killed by your partner that counts as murder babe.

[bold] In case you don't know [/bold] the word "BABE" is a common TransSpeak word. They like to refer to themselves and each other as "babe"......So, now you know who THAT is.

[quote] In case you don't know the word "BABE" is a common TransSpeak word. They like to refer to themselves and each other as "babe"......So, now you know who THAT is.

@grok is this satire?

R50 = Nope. That's how they talk to each other. For some reason it makes them feel MORE like a woman, no matter how many testicles they have between their legs.

I hate the emphasis on trans to the exclusion of actual women, but I hate the racism of OP even more. So FF this bullshit.

R51 get help.

Let me add - when things like this are put out into the press and they are easily debunked and stated as hyperbole - but it's by the HRC, which covers LGBTQI+ - it hurts EVERYONE.

How can you trust an organization that is clearly cherry picking or misleading with their information.

It's right-wing click bait. And unfortunately - because everyone thinks of it as a gay and lesbian organization - guess who has to pay for it? Gays and lesbians.

[Quote] you're accusing people of 'celebrating' murder when no one has done any of that in this thread.

🤡

“they weren’t murdered for being trans they were murdered by romantic partners or sex work clients”

Um…because they were trans

This thread is insane and if you’re spending one second of your life typing that it’s someone’s own fault that they were murdered it’s one second too many

The cruelty is the point!

Why would people who'd chosen to be with trans murder them for being trans, r56?

Some people have no lives. Sad.

Op the next time you troll. Proofread your first paragraph.

This is from a few years back so things have probably changed, but this article was pretty interesting.

After trans activists declared there was an 'epidemic of violence against trans people', it was found they're the safest demographic of all (in the UK, at least).

[quote] it was found they're the safest demographic of all (in the UK, at least).

That’s not what your own link says at all actually R60.

R61

[quote]The limited data we’re working with suggests that in the UK at least, a trans person is less likely to be murdered than the average person. But it’s worth bearing in mind that the recorded number of trans murder victims is so small that it would only take one or two more murder cases every year for the UK “trans murder rate” to double or triple.

R62 yes thank you I can read. There’s a large difference between being less likely to be murdered than the average person and being the “safest demographic at all”. Nowhere in that article does it mention other specific demographics, only the average for general population.

Also R60 phrased this in relation to violence not murder (in his own comment), and the article says that trans people are more likely to be victims of violence than the average person.

There’s a real problem on this website with a lack of specificity and accuracy with wording, thats generally fine for casual commentary, but when you’re talking about statistics it gets very messy very quickly.

R63 I meant in terms of murder rather than violence, but you're correct, my wording was shit.

Trans activists talk about how so many trans are being murdered every day and of there being a "trans genocide", but it's just not true (in the UK at least). In a country of 70 million people, one trans murder a year isn't a genocide.

R64 one murder a year is not a genocide no, however your own link details how statistics with such low figures introduces a low reliability on said figures to the point that that specific statistic is kind of meaningless.

Your own link again details that trans people are victims of violence at higher rates than your average person, does this not concern you? You keep ignoring that statistic, which is much more reliable than the murder statistic since it’s a larger whole number. Do you think trans people or “trans activists” whatever the fuck that means, are being out of place for being concerned by that?

A genocide generally refers to attempts to get rid of a group of people from society. I would say the new laws and legal determinations across the world (forcing them to use birth sex passports, removing them from categories that allowed them specific protections, disallowing them from certain types of work, or membership of organizations. Banning materials in school that mention them etc., constitutes a meaningful social thrust to discourage trans people from being “out” in society. Genocide is always an incendiary word, but you can see the logic in using it if you were a trans person that was genuinely worried for their own safety and the safety of their own demographic.

R65, you might not get what I'm saying, but you don't help your argument by spouting very ironic, histrionic, manipulative nonsense.

Since you're supposedly so concerned about safety, r65, you might be interested in the trans protests in London yesterday. Transwoman Sarah Jane Baker, aka Alan Baker, who was previously imprisoned for abuse and torture and had his sentence extended for attempting to murder a fellow inmate (thankfully this was in the days when male criminals were housed in male prisons), getting his "tits" out outside Downing Street and shouting "J.K. Rowling, be very afraid" loudly for several times down a megaphone.

R66 it says in the link that trans people are at a greater risk of violence, and then you all claim that trans people are being crazy for saying that they are at a greater risk of violence, oh and I’m the manipulative one for actually reading the statistics and talking about them honestly? Give me a break.

This whole thread was set up with the intention of making fun or making light of trans people that have dealt with violence. All the irony is with you ladies unfortunately. None of you have the ability to read and understand statistics, or reproduce information properly, or understand how your social media algorithms work and how you let that affect you. We have an entire group of old cranky social media addicted men on datalounge who have no personal knowledge of trans people, and yet hate them for it. And none of you even stop for a second and think about how odd that is. It’s embarrassing.

I feel like I have to explain this to you because you didn’t understand my last comment correctly, I do not agree with the use of genocide as a terminology for the difficulties trans people face, however they are objectively facing a societal push to make their lives more difficult. Look at the quantity of new laws being enforced year on year for proof of this. See below.

R67 your comment again just indicates how lacking in any sort of ability you have to follow a subject. When talking about general society groups and statistics for those groups, bringing a single case up is not relevant. You people always fall back on your (weird) knowledge of specific trans criminals, as if that somehow counteracts a wider trend of violence against trans people. It doesn’t.

Talking about gay men who have committed murder in the past doesn’t allow my safety or gay men’s general safety in society to be impinged upon either.

"This whole thread was set up with the intention of making fun or making light of trans people that have dealt with violence."

Again with your histrionics - no the thread was to point out the fallacy in the article/press release that implies trans people are being killed because they are trans.

But of course you go off on tangents and make accusations because you can't refute it.

I don't see articles about lesbians who've been killed in 2024. Like the fire dept chief who was murdered by her wife. Why isn't there a list of those murders? Same scenario. But it's not used as a press release to highlight violence against lesbians.

It's a very selective data point for one community and it is misleading, on purpose.

Lies and distortions don't do anything to help a cause - it undermines it and calls into question the veracity of ANYTHING you say. And unfortunately, because the HRC has decided to speak for all sexual minorities - it hurts all of us in terms of credibility.

What don't you understand about that?

[quote] Again with your histrionics - no the thread was to point out the fallacy in the article/press release that implies trans people are being killed because they are trans.

While being done in a racist and transphobic tone, don’t play games like thats not true, other commenters than me have identified this too. You’re being dishonest and manipulative.

There are thousands of online resources that document violence against lesbians wtf are you talking about. It’s usually included as a subset under violence against women or against LGBT people but the info is there. Those statistics are collected and recorded.

I’ll again ask you, the information above in the link provided shows that trans people are more at risk from violence than the general population, is this acceptable? Should attention be drawn to it? Does it concern you? You keep ignoring this information for some reason.

When I said “link provided” I meant the Channel4 one from upthread btw for clarity.

R65 I've only posted twice in this thread. The channel4 article and the one where I tried to clarify my point. The people you're subsequently arguing with aren't me.

R71 - you truly are dumb. The point was the lesbian fire chief murdered by her lesbian partner is not a hate crime.

The HRC article (and prior ones that have been touted out time and again of trans murders) insinuates these murders were BECAUSE they were trans. And a few were - most were not. These were not anti-trans murders as they want you to believe.

Seriously - nobody is saying violence doesn't happen to trans - every gay and lesbian has experienced some verbal threat or violence themselves. We know that we are targets.

But what is the purpose of this singular list for trans only? I would hope HRC documents hate crimes against lesbians and gays - but they sure as FUCK would not list the fire chief's murder by her wife as being anti-lesbian hate crime.

You just cannot accept reality or any criticism of trans politics or this article.

R73 yea I know thanks. That’s why I said “your own link” when replying to you and “the link” when replying to others, since your link was subject to comments.

[quote] I don't see articles about lesbians who've been killed in 2024.

I provided you with a link to an article about violence lesbians and other gay women face, fair enough it’s from 2023 but this makes your point invalid. The above is a direct quote from you.

[quote] The HRC article (and prior ones that have been touted out time and again of trans murders) insinuates these murders were BECAUSE they were trans. And a few were - most were not. These were not anti-trans murders as they want you to believe.

The insinuation that you disagree with (but which I would agree with) is that if a trans person is murdered or a victim of violence because their identity put them in a physical or social situation where they are at risk, even if the aggressor is not necessarily, then there is some transphobia contained (indirectly) in the violent event. For instance, if a trans person is homeless because their family kicks them out, and they get attacked on the street by a stranger, then there is some transphobia contained within that violent interaction. They are victims of violence in part in these instances “because they are trans” like you say.

Trans people find regular employment more difficult to access than your average person. This puts them at housing / medical / financial risk, and people facing financial risk are more likely to face violence to access money. It’s quite straightforward.

Anyway I’m going out to enjoy the afternoon.

There goes R76 dodging the topic. Just because they wrote about violence against lesbians does not refute that the point of this article was misleading. They would not include a lesbian on lesbian murder as anti-lesbian hate crime murder - but they included a trans on trans murder in this list.

You're spinning all of this around so that ANYTHING that happens to a trans person is because they are trans. And that's the gaslighting that so many of us are sick of.

We're tired of the mistruths, the distortions, the biological fallacies of trans politics. And this article is a perfect example of that. Go enjoy your afternoon with your head in the sand.

What’s crazy is that the fire chief’s wife had also murdered her ex husband.

Who's we, r77?

You made a valiant effort to talk rational sense here R76 unfortunately the transphobic obsessives of DL have no shame and no other hobbies and cannot be reasoned with.

R80, transwomen are men.

53-year-old businessman called Paul Doyle, with a wife, three teenaged daughters and a nice house.

A former royal marine, according to the DM.

Wrong thread at r82!

R83 - how do you know that the Liverpool incident wasn't related to trans women?

Blatant lying and denial of reality are part of life in Trannyland.

Actually, r84, now that you mention it, it's possible. But I am both r82 and r83 and somehow posted r82 in the wrong thread.