My HR rant this morning
I have a very good employee who is in her late 20s. I’m trying to promote her to lead a small team of five people. The small team reaches out to her informally for direction and seems to acknowledge her as effectively their leader (their former boss quit to go to another company).
She has never formally managed people though and HR is telling me in an email just now that I cannot promote her because she doesn’t have experience managing people.
This is the same HR team that is constantly telling me that I need to find opportunities so that people on my team can grow.
But how in the world am I ever going to get somebody new to manage people if the rule is only people who have managed people can manage people.
I hate HR
by Anonymous | reply 10 | May 19, 2025 1:58 PM
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I feel you, OP. I also get pissed when HR won't allow me to delegate all of my management responsibility to a direct report. Particularly when mid-year reviews are due.
by Anonymous | reply 1 | May 19, 2025 12:52 PM
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Just go over their heads, OP.
by Anonymous | reply 2 | May 19, 2025 12:55 PM
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Start allowing her to "informally " manage people. Maybe on a project by project basis. Then when they say she has no experience you can say, that is not correct. She has experience and you want to acknowledge it.
by Anonymous | reply 3 | May 19, 2025 12:58 PM
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HR is always such a pain in the ass.
by Anonymous | reply 4 | May 19, 2025 12:59 PM
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The worst job experience I ever had was when I briefly worked for an NYU graduate school that offered a program of study with the ridiculous title of Human Capital Management. That is, they were supposedly teaching people how to be good managers of others in business situations. Except these people themselves were completely incompetent in that regard, which is why I only lasted three weeks there.
by Anonymous | reply 5 | May 19, 2025 1:04 PM
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You'll just have to find someone else to man the French frier, OP.
Now get off DL. There's a queue of customers wanting their McBreakfasts.
by Anonymous | reply 6 | May 19, 2025 1:07 PM
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I had this same problem and this is how I fixed it. However, it is assuming you don't have to promote someone to leader immediately. What I did was to remain leader of the team, however, I chose someone to be the team captain. I made this person second in command even though I remained leader. The team reported to the captain and the captain reported to me. After three months of documentation what my captain did, I was able to successfully prove she had leadership abilities and potential and was able to promote them to leader.
by Anonymous | reply 7 | May 19, 2025 1:08 PM
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You need to fix your writing skills. Yeesh.
by Anonymous | reply 8 | May 19, 2025 1:15 PM
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According to your post, OP: "The small team reaches out to her informally for direction and seems to acknowledge her as effectively their leader." Go with that and TELL HR you are moving forward.
by Anonymous | reply 9 | May 19, 2025 1:28 PM
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Are you speaking to the director of HR or some lower level functionary?
Either way, drop the ball back into their court and ask them the same question you whined about here - "how do you propose we continue to develop our people with progressively greater responsibilities if they are ineligible for roles which provide them progressively greater responsibilities?" Then, point out that this person has already informally demonstrated leadership and management skills by stepping into the role for which you are currently contemplating acknowledging and rewarding her for doing.
Ask for specific and actionable steps on this matter. Put the ball back into their court to figure out - that's what they're doing right now with you.
You got to speak HR nonsense to communicate with them. It's like trying to speak German with someone who only speaking Chinese.
by Anonymous | reply 10 | May 19, 2025 1:58 PM
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