Palm Springs Explosion

I know.. I have seen conflicting reports so I am curious what happened.

Sounds like at least one person has died..

Very scary. Seems intentional.

Heard that the person in the car was blown out of the car and that part of their torso was laying in the middle of the road.

I hope no Eldergays were affected.

President Trump is working on pardons for those responsible who were undoubtedly doing God’s work.

Just talked to someone I know who works in a building about half a mile down the street - that place was shut down because every window in their building was blown out.

(You can imagine how strong the blast was for that to happen)

PS news org on the ground

Hopefully the only fatality came from the person driving the bomb-laden car.

But in PALM SPRINGS? Seriously? A reproductive center that does IVF?

R8 That reproductive center did a lot of IVF for gays and lesbians. Which, if it was targeted, is likely the reason why.

I went onto BlueSky to see what would come up when I searched "Palm Springs" and it was a lot of NSFW photos of cocks.

A friend who lives in PS said it was about a mile from his house and the explosion scared the shit out of him.

He said the gays are being told to be cautious when going out tonight, because they don't know yet if there are other targets in the area.

I'd be staying home.

Live video from the excitable Steve Lookner.

Updated - 5 people were injured.

Next week, on a very special episode of Mid-Century Modern...

R9 - I doubt the gays and lesbians in Palm Springs or the area were of the age as to be doing IVF for kids.

For a handful, sure - but let's not make it sound like this was a gay and lesbian reproductive center. It wasn't.

R15 has never been to Palm Springs.

R16 - Lived in Palm Springs for 7 years, so I think I know it pretty well.

R17 From 1978 - 1983?

R12 lol He really is.

Fuck. Stay safe out there, FL peeps.

R20 Palm Springs is in California.

R18 - I moved last year asshole.

R22 I thought things smelled better in town this year.

R23 - considering you don't even live there - your nose must be as big as your ass.

Thousands of daddies explode Palm Springs everyday, but the lamestream media won’t cover it.

It sounds like the IVF center serves a very large area, not just Palm Springs.

Can't wait to hear about the suspect. Mentally addled ex-military like the Vegas Tesla bomber?

[QUOTE]“In front of the building [the car] was blown clear across four lanes into the parking lot of [Desert Regional Medical Center],” Spencer said. “I could see the back of the car still on fire and the rims, that was the only thing that distinguishes it as a car.”

Well thank Lordy they're only coming for TRANS!

Why would anyone bomb a fertility clinic?!

It would be hard to justify from a "Right to Life" perspective if the blast could have harmed embryos. But movements often attract mental illness.

So it seems like R26 may be right. It appears the suspect lives in 29 Palms, a town in the high desert adjacent to a military base.

MAGA men want women to have more babies and Muslim men want women stuck at home with kids and no education. So who did this?!

R30 - well, also a lot of weirdos in the high desert. Lot of drug addicts too.

People who perpetuate religion

R31, they want a high white, Christian birthrate through Bible-based mandatory, birth-control-free hetero fucking and good old-fashioned rape, not science. Didn't you read about Project 2025? It's anti-IVF.

[quote] I hope no Eldergays were affected.

We can only pray Tom Bianchi and his various soulmates are safe.

r28 To prevent those heathen disgusting homosexuals from spreading their spreading their perverted seed!

Buck never would've bombed a gay IVF clinic!

This twat:

“let me be clear, the Trump administration understands that women and mothers are the heartbeat of America. Violence against a fertility clinic is unforgivable.”

I'm glad that the suspect is dead and nobody else is.

I hope his useless life was worth it, cunt.

Thank God it was a car bomb and not a plane or helicopter!

Why can't we ever get a southern Evangelical church bombing?

R41 - there was a brief time of leftist terrorism in the 60s and 70s - but outside of that, it's always been Republicans and right-wingers who threaten, kill and destroy.

Violence against churches is usually committed against black congregations. There was a particular bad period in the 90s.

“It’s an expl-OH-sion…”

Excuse me, R42?

- Osama Bin Laden from the grave.

R45 - Osama was a leftist? Ultra conservative othodox Islam follower is anywhere on the left?

Let's not jump to conclusions. We'll just have to wait until law enforcement reveals whatever insane reason this latest violent motherfucker left behind.

I thought it was Palm Beach, Florida-by rump’s house!

An explosion of color dear! You look divine!

[Quote] [R28] To prevent those heathen disgusting homosexuals from spreading their spreading their perverted seed!

Yes we can’t have can’t have that!

R46, Defacto considers anyone he doesn’t personally like a “leftist.”

A lot of extreme right wingers don’t like IVF because it goes against gods plan and “snow flake” babies…

Very scary. I have a second home 1.5 miles from the blast. Two good friends a mile away thought a plane had crashed (the center is also about 1.5 miles from the airport). Windows were blown out in the regional hospital across the street.

NY Times says they have a suspect- nothing more in the article.

r7 - Your update states "weapons and out-of-country vehicle" found. Is there any new information?

I haven’t seen any related updates R54.

horrifying

At least the perp took himself out.

The suspect has been identified on social media as Guy Edward Bartkus but I haven’t seen anything from officials.

Of course, he had a manifesto. There's always a new twist.

[QUOTE]The suspect is Guy Edward Bartkus, a 25-year-old man from Twentynine Palms, a small city about 35 miles northeast of Palm Springs. He left a 30-minute audio recording in which he explained his motive for the attack.

[QUOTE]“I figured I would just make a recording explaining why I’ve decided to bomb an IVF building, or clinic,” he said at the beginning of the recording. “Basically, it just comes down to I’m angry that I exist and that, you know, nobody got my consent to bring me here.”

[QUOTE]In a FAQ section of his website, he further explains that his best friend Sophie shared similar views and recently died after convincing her boyfriend to shoot her as she slept. “IIRC we had agreed that if one of us died, the other would probably soon follow,” Bartkus wrote.

[QUOTE]His description seemed to match the death of 27-year-old Sophie Tinney in Fox Island, Washington on April 22. Police arrested her boyfriend, 29-year-old Lars Eugene Nelson, and believe Tinney convinced Nelson to shoot her in the head as she slept. Nelson was charged with second-degree murder.

Do they perform abortions?

Whoa - so just an incel pissed at being born? Presumably he was conceived via IVF or just didn't like the concept?

So WEIRD. Did not see that coming.

Not a Christian, not a pro-lifer (that we know of) - just some guy pissed that he was alive?

That threw me, too, r62. I could not have anticipated it in a million years. I mentioned upthread maybe former military with PTSD/mental problems, still possible, but I doubt now. I don't think this guy needed the stress of combat to crack.

No they don't perform abortions, r61.

Conservatives hate surrogacy. (In Italy the right-wing government has banned it.) They especially dislike the idea of surrogates having children for gay couples - hence the Palm Springs clinic. It's pretty simple.

Palm Schrpings Exploshion

A republican incel

R64 - that's not the reason - read what they found out about the perp.

He hated that he was alive - that's it. No political agenda identified - yet. It's weird.

r50 Marjorie Taylor Greene is a cyborg, she had a glitch.

How long ago did it happen r67?

From Twentynine Palms, eh? Was he a marine?

So he was just plain cuckoo for cocoa puffs, then.

Probably a redditor.

[quote]"I’m angry that I exist and that, you know, nobody got my consent to bring me here.”

How could anyone consent to being born? So bizarre.

Mormon spirit babies I suppose

Yes angry that he’s alive AND against IVF.

Twenty-something young incel.

R24 is very upset that no one cares about her.

R15 You know, there are neighboring cities in the Palm Springs area. There are also residents who aren't over 65 living in the area.

Obviously, the clinic is successful, so it seems that younger people do exist in Riverside County.

R78 - yes - and in other breaking news - water is wet.

Still doesn't make it out to be a G&L IVF center - and we know that G/L had nothing to do with the bomber's motivations.

Nobody said that young people don't exist in Coachella Valley. Not sure why you thought you had to mention this.

Definitely weird motivation for the bomber.

But it *is* apparently a clinic that does have a lot of LGBT clients, so I can understand why, as people tried to make sense of the event, that was contemplated as a possible motive.

IVF in general is a sore point with some extremists, who see it as even worse that abortion. (This clinic did NOT provide abortion services, but when/if embryos or eggs are discarded, some of those loons see it as the same thing.)

It's terrible that it happened but I am somewhat relieved that it *wasn't* motivated by the bomber's hatred of anyone but himself.

It's also very lucky that the area where the clinic is located is a bit north of the central area of PS. Not that there's no one there, but the foot traffic is much lighter than if that had happened in a more central area. More people would have been hurt and possibly killed.

R79 You know nothing of the sort.

Actually, I could have cut out the "of the sort" part.

Maybe he was one of the victims of the lady from Twentynine Palms.

R80 - you're just assuming there are a lot of G/L clients because it's in Palm Springs - there's no proof of that, at all.

You all jumped to conclusions because it's a known area with a lot of G/L residents.

[quote] Heard that the person in the car was blown out of the car and that part of their torso was laying in the middle of the road.

Where did you hear this?

The high desert is a weird place. It doesn't surprise me that the bomber is from there. It is an island of its own.

R83 Can't wait 'til we find out who the bomber was.

I'm guessing they'll find a few red hats in his/her trailer.

R84 A witness who was nearby after the explosion said they saw what looked like a torso in the street.

R86 We do know. Look upthread.

I was mayor of Palm Springs.

An article from a local news source that mentions remains in the middle of the street.

I remember reading yesterday that someone found a torso in one section of the street and what appeared to be intestines in another section.

R88 The FBI is looking at a "person of interest," but they've revealed no details about who that person may be.

The comments on the thread are just speculation at this point.

Mentally ill person who needed to be in a mental institution, which the liberals closed down.

R92 is the bomber's toothless MAGA mom.

R91 - what? We have a name, an age - he claims to be a mortalist - we have an audio recording of the reason why he did it. Did you just not read anything in this thread?

R92 knows that Reagan shut down the mental institutions - but that won't stop him spewing nonsense.

R92 is definitely MAGA. Brainless.

R92 Yet you link to nothing...

He’s somehow related to his “best friend” Sophie Tinney referenced in R60. His mother Dianne has or had the surname Tinney.

R98 No news outlets are reporting that this is the alleged bomber.

I didn’t say that they were R99.

But CBS is.

R101 Sound like some military nutjob who's been listening to anti-IVF propaganda. Probably a "Christian," too.

Is 25-year-old Guy Edward Bartkus hot though evil, as is sometimes the case? (Cf. Atlanta and abortion-clinic bomber Eric Rudolph.)

Was at a wedding at the Ace Hotel last night. Two of the attendees couldn’t check into their hotel, due to the street closure, so had to find other lodging. I was talking to 2 Spaniards who couldn’t fathom why someone would bomb a fertility clinic. But if the real reason is because the guy didn’t want to exist, then I can’t fathom that too.

THANK GOD Kate Ballard didn't live to see this!

*KAYE

R15 Oh.

R107 - yes, it is listed as one service among many. Still doesn't make it a primarily G&L fertility clinic. Jeesh.

R9 says it did a LOT of IVF for gays and lesbians which is probably why it was targeted. No it wasn't.

My grocery store has a lot of gays and lesbian customers - doesn't mean that it caters to the G/L community.

R108 You really just can't accept defeat, can you?

It's all so...MAGA.

R109 - defeat? Somebody states something incorrect that it's the reason why it was attacked - and it wasn't - and I'm in the wrong?

No - you all jumped to incorrect conclusions early on because it is known to be a G/L area.

That link only shows one service - among 10 services identified. You're just trying to find anything because you know you're wrong and can't admit it. THAT is MAGA.

R110 Honey, go finish your Lego project and let the adults have their quality time this Sunday morning.

I was actually there, I was on my way into the building to get some gay fertilization.

As I opened the door I heard a disturbance and there was a man I could clearly see was Guy Edward Bartkus, wearing a MAGA hat and shouting whooo-weeee I’m a rightwinger and I hate gay fertilization.

The people inside gasped and said, shut the door quickly! We are primarily a gay and lesbian fertilization clinic and this is a bias attack!

I closed the door and there was an explosion. I clearly saw a torso and, elsewhere, a length of intestines.

R112 How many drinks have you had today, dear?

is this poster real?

R111 - grow up - you've got nothing - you're on this thread talking about a place where you don't live, throwing insults around and now that you've got nothing, you screach and call everyone MAGA repeatedly in this thread.

I think it's time to put your toys away and take a nap - somebody is awfully cranky. And generally stupid.

R112 seems very uncomfortable with the idea of gay people and IVF.

R115 has had sufficient.

The issue isn't whether it actually *is* a clinic that serves gays and lesbians. The issue is whether it was *perceived* as a clinic that probably serves gays and lesbians by someone who doesn't like gays and lesbians, or surrogacy, or lord knows what.

R118 - perceived by a poster in this thread only - the suspect hasn't mentioned anything about it. He was a mortalist and didn't like IVF or being alive.

So it wasn't a motivator or an issue - someone just jumped to conclusions. The issue is jumping to conclusions based on no evidence and a thought bubble that isn't even true.

I hope Bobby Trendy and his Palm Spring home (paid for by Anna Nicole Smith) are okay!

How weird, R82, I happened to look up the Andrews Sisters on Wikipedia this morning for reasons I don't remember. Two fun facts: they had a Greek father and a Norwegian mother and Maxine was a lesbian.

The dead bomber.

^^^Didn't he play a banjo in Deliverance?

[Quote] [R112] seems very uncomfortable with the idea of gay people and IVF.

🙄

This whole thread is a catfight between the two most exhausting nellies in the solar system

He has an incredibly symmetrical face.

Kelly Ripa and Mark Consuelos spend just about every weekend in Palm Springs. If they were there yesterday, Kelly may have blown away and landed on the Vegas strip.

I’m somewhat torn if the bomber is hot.

Not sure he’s a guy with guts.

It's a clinic that serves many LGBT clients.

Some miserable gelatinous jigglypuff of a festering cunt wound is really stomping her fucking fat hooves insisting that it does not, but for those of us who ACTUALLY FUCKING LIVE HERE, we know what's happening.

And in ANY case, it's clear now that the bomber's only motivation was that he felt IVF babies didn't ask to be born. Which is irrational as fuck, so he was just a crazy fuck without any particular animus toward others, it would appear.

What are your show dates, and what street corner are you playing on, R127?

An abortion activist explained to me many years ago why the radical right hates Planned Parenthood and any and all medical services provided with any regard to family planning, whether it's performing just routine physical checkups on women through abortion: the radical right believes that life is, essentially, supposed to be random. Or, as they put it, man should not interfere in god's plan. They couch it as being anti-abortion because this is the most visible least-defensible form of birth control (her words, not mine so don't attack me), but it includes access to birth control and, as we've seen coming out of the Southern Baptist conference, access to IVF treatment. The SBC is working to limit, if not outright ban, IVF treatment; ie, if a couple can't conceive the old-fashioned way, it's god's plan.

The lights-flashing-look-here clue that this bombing/suspect is related to the rightwing religious nuts is the mention of consent. He specifically said in the recording "nobody got my consent to bring me here". Part of religious loon thinking is that god provides the consent for a human to be born, and it is man who looks to usurp that authority by claiming that anything to do with conception interferes with god's consensual authority.

Yeah, I know it's convoluted and defies reason, but isn't that religion in a nutshell?

We don't know enough yet to make any conclusions, but if I had to guess this kid was a religious (29 Palms is a typical military-adjacent low-rent religious fringe community in which every other building is a church, and the buildings between the churches are either tattoo parlors or bars) incel coming from a family with known mental issues (the "best friend" that various news sources have linked to him — mentioned in one of the sources I read — also shares the family name, and this person apparently convinced her boyfriend to shoot her in the head). He described himself as a "mortalist", a term I've never heard before, at least in this context. He's clearly self-loathing, as in the kind who wishes he had never been born: "These are people who are having kids after they’ve sat there and thought about it. How much more stupid can it get?”

The only aspect I can't quite see is that the clinic was located in gay-friendly Palm Springs and is well-known to work with gay couples. We can hope that orientation didn't figure into his thinking and planning, but my fear is that even if it didn't, the right will try to portray the clinic as supportive of gays and therefor even more deserving of the attack.

[quote] See what I did there twice

You didn’t even do it once.

Russdog sounds like the ultimate flyover MAGA trash name. So we forgive you for not getting it, “Russdog.”

[quote] And in ANY case, it's clear now

Is it? Too soon to tell, for me

[quote] it would appear

Ok. That makes more sense.

Stupid haircut stereotype checks out

The doctrine that "bringing people into the world without their consent to spare them from future suffering" (NYP) is wrong is looney-tunes. How do you get anyone's consent to be born, even if you believe in the preexistence of the personal soul? R131 makes me think that the whole idea is just a rationalization ad absurdum of some rightwing religious fanaticism.

I'm still curious about the "out-of-country" license plate. The most common non-US plates seen are Canada and Mexico; we don't see too many from other countries. But he doesn't seem to be a foreigner. Maybe they meant "out-of-STATE"?

I know someone who is looking for an IVF clinic to conceive, I bet this is a good one. I'm glad the damage was limited.

I doubt this is some religious guy. Maybe from a religious family, but that's the norm in the US. I'm going with depressed, anti-natalist redditor type. Probably atheist. Left leaning in most areas. Probably has some weird sexual interests and difficulty having those interests met. Might hate women as a result.

So a MAGA guy did it?

The suspect's father hadn't seen him in ten years.

Nutin' but us red blooded 'Mare-icans" here! Christ on a fucking cracker, people like this are free to reproduce!

[QUOTE]He described his son as having been a boy who liked tinkering with small model rockets, and said that age 9, his son lit the family house on fire while playing with matches.

[QUOTE]Mr. Bartkus, of Yucca Valley, Calif., said that as a teenager, his son would make “stink bombs” and “smoke bombs.” [bold]“Nothing major, nothing like a ‘bomb’ bomb, but he’d build rockets,[/bold]shoot them in the air,” Mr. Bartkus said.

[QUOTE]added that his son was impressionable, and had often allowed himself to be drawn in by friends who got him into trouble. Once, for example, a friend whose parents owned a wrecking yard talked his son into smashing cars there, he said.

[QUOTE][Bold]Mr. Bartkus said he had taught his son to use firearms “Guy was a pretty good shot,” he said. “If he told you he was going to hit the C on a Coke can, he’d hit the C on the Coke can. Whatever he put his mind to, he was pretty good.”[/bold]

[QUOTE]He said that when his son reached his late teens, he built computers and worked with special-needs children. “He wasn’t dumb,” Mr. Bartkus said. “But he wasn’t a leader. He was a follower.” He added: “If somebody came along and said this was a good idea, he’d probably go along with it.”

Right.

Are we sure the bomber wasn't a Datalounger? He hates breeders and children.

He was 25......about 50 years too young to be the average DLer. 😉