She's so adorable and so cute here. Sinatra makes a joke about Chakiris not being so tough- maybe he sucked Sinatra's cock during a gay tryst.
Angel Lansbury looks as ruthless as her character here.
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She's so adorable and so cute here. Sinatra makes a joke about Chakiris not being so tough- maybe he sucked Sinatra's cock during a gay tryst.
Angel Lansbury looks as ruthless as her character here.
by Anonymous | reply 307 | May 29, 2025 3:15 AM |
Looking like pussy, looking like Cunt
by Anonymous | reply 1 | May 16, 2025 3:44 PM |
Toni* Home Perm
by Anonymous | reply 2 | May 16, 2025 4:11 PM |
Is Angel Lansbury Angela's illegitimate Puerto Rican son?
by Anonymous | reply 3 | May 16, 2025 4:26 PM |
Angela looked "ruthless as Fuck"& I believe she wanted that Oscar!
She stole the movie in The Manchurian Candidate!!
by Anonymous | reply 4 | May 16, 2025 5:04 PM |
The only two nominees present, Angela and Patty were the only ones who deserved a nomination
by Anonymous | reply 5 | May 16, 2025 5:04 PM |
Angela Lansbury got unlucky with her timing here, and confessed her Oscar losses were terrible disappointments. I think she would have won in many years, but Patty Duke was also wonderful and deserving.
by Anonymous | reply 6 | May 16, 2025 5:33 PM |
Angela had the last laugh. Patty got "Valley Of The Dolls" and mental problems- and she got a long and distinguished career in movies, stage and TV.
by Anonymous | reply 7 | May 16, 2025 6:01 PM |
[quote]Sinatra makes a joke about Chakiris not being so tough- maybe he sucked Sinatra's cock during a gay tryst.
He was referring to his performance in WEST SIDE STORY, which inexplicably won him the Oscar the previous year.
Chakiris was not convincing at all as the leader of a Puerto Rican street gang.
by Anonymous | reply 8 | May 16, 2025 6:03 PM |
That's because Miss Chakiris was a "FAGGOT"
A Pussy Boy Bottom Bitch, she was meant to serve the leader.
by Anonymous | reply 9 | May 16, 2025 6:09 PM |
Patty Duke's dress was half finished. Ethel Ross, her handler and abuser, was too drunk to finish it, so the top is the inner lining while the bottom is a full gown.
by Anonymous | reply 10 | May 16, 2025 6:26 PM |
And here she is, at another award ceremony, just seven years late.
by Anonymous | reply 11 | May 16, 2025 9:41 PM |
I wonder if Patty’s asshole managers hadn’t cornered her into her TV show, albeit fondly remembered by some of that era’s viewers, if she’d have found momentum doing more follow-up memorable films and Broadway projects, instead of just “Billie,” “Dolls,” and then becoming a TV series guest and movies-of-the-week staple? She deserved that and I miss her.
by Anonymous | reply 12 | May 17, 2025 2:00 AM |
Patty caught a break with the juvenile category being eliminated in 1961, it wasn’t awarded regularly but it was an excuse not to give the award to minors.
by Anonymous | reply 13 | May 17, 2025 2:22 AM |
r12, I actually think Patty did pretty well, considering she was a remarkable child star who grew up not to be as striking as an adult actress as she was as a child (though she was usually decent, and sometimes very very good). But she wasn't pretty, and she didn't have a commanding presence, and she wasn't that good with comic timing. by the late 60s and early 70s, she was good at playing very ordinary young women in jeopardy. But then as she grew older she aged out of those roles, and there are far fewer roles for very ordinary middle-aged women in jeopardy.
by Anonymous | reply 14 | May 17, 2025 3:59 AM |
Why'd they play the Mockingbird song. Did they think Mary Badham won or was that song somehow connected to the film?
by Anonymous | reply 15 | May 17, 2025 4:16 AM |
that song was in The Miracle Worker.
by Anonymous | reply 16 | May 17, 2025 4:20 AM |
Gee Thelma Ritter and Shirley Knight didn't even attend.
by Anonymous | reply 17 | May 17, 2025 4:22 AM |
r15, "Listen to the Mockingbird" features into THE MIRACLE WORKER.
by Anonymous | reply 18 | May 17, 2025 4:22 AM |
Sinatra makes a joke about Chakiris not being so tough-
Frank's joke is that George has a hard handgrip and Frank tries to save face from his pain.
by Anonymous | reply 19 | May 17, 2025 4:24 AM |
I have to laugh that the camera tracks Patty's long walk to the stage for her just to say thank you and then she exits.
by Anonymous | reply 20 | May 17, 2025 4:26 AM |
I always love Bosley Crowther's bizarre one-sentence review of Patty's performance in TMW in the NYTimes: "And little Miss Duke, in those moments when she frantically pantomimes her bewilderment and desperate groping, is both gruesome and pitiable."
by Anonymous | reply 21 | May 17, 2025 4:27 AM |
R5 Actually, I think it was a very strong year for BSA. A case could easily be made for all but Mary Badham, whose entire performance had to be refunded because of her natural, but unintelligible southern accent. Her performance ultimately works, thanks to Kim Stanley’s off-screen work as adult, narrating Scout and Mulligan’s ability to get naturalistic work from all the children
by Anonymous | reply 22 | May 17, 2025 4:39 AM |
Patty Duke Astin on What's My Line? @ 9:20 was a good mystery guest; she's funny and she stumped the panel
by Anonymous | reply 23 | May 17, 2025 5:31 AM |
I have read that that year’s lead acting Oscars were considered unusually up-for-grabs with best actor between Jack Lemmon (the greenhouse scene, though I think the restrained final scene is the real gem), Peter O’Toole (great—but, at the time, is it all David Lean’s doing?) and Peck. Meanwhile, best actress was a four-way with Bancroft, Bette Davis, K. Hepburn and Geraldine Page all given a shot, and only Lee Remick (also excellent) out of the running. By contrast, the supporting awards were thought to be set in stone—Omar Sharif and Angela Lansbury. So, like another, more recent sure-thing Angela, it is no wonder Lansbury would still talk about her disappointment years later. (I feel both she and Sharif would have been strong winners, but Duke and Ed Begley were better still.)
by Anonymous | reply 24 | May 17, 2025 6:34 AM |
Angela Lansbury should have won -- it was by far the most memorable role of those nominated in the Supporting Actress category that year. Luckily she would go on to have a huge career so it didn't hurt her. Meanwhile, Patty Duke is forgotten today.
by Anonymous | reply 25 | May 17, 2025 6:44 AM |
[quote]R7 Angela had the last laugh. Patty got "Valley Of The Dolls" and mental problems- and she got a long and distinguished career in movies, stage and TV.
Your precious Angela also had to FLEE HOLLYWOOD when her kids started doing DRUGS at Spahn Ranch with the goddamn MANSON FAMILY!
by Anonymous | reply 26 | May 17, 2025 7:25 AM |
I don’t think Patty Duke is forgotten by anyone who actually saw The Miracle Worker. (And who is or isn’t remembered 60 years later has more to do with overall careers than the two performances of 1962 that were under consideration.)
by Anonymous | reply 27 | May 17, 2025 8:04 AM |
[Quote] don’t think Patty Duke is forgotten by anyone who actually saw The Miracle Worker.
Or by anyone who saw a Valley of the Dolls
by Anonymous | reply 28 | May 17, 2025 8:25 AM |
LOVE Angie in "Manchurian Candidate." One reason that Lansbury got cast older all the time is because she LOOKED older. She's only 37 here! Luckily, the mega success of "Murder, She Wrote" made selective plastic surgery over the next 20 years a necessity...
by Anonymous | reply 29 | May 17, 2025 12:02 PM |
Has George Chakiris ever come out of the closet?
by Anonymous | reply 30 | May 17, 2025 12:38 PM |
[quote]Has George Chakiris ever come out of the closet?
No.
by Anonymous | reply 31 | May 17, 2025 12:47 PM |
R22 is crazy—refunded? You don’t know what you’re talking about.
BTW, Badham was at the ceremony—poor camerawork failed to catch her.
by Anonymous | reply 32 | May 18, 2025 12:27 AM |
[quote] "Listen to the Mockingbird" features into THE MIRACLE WORKER.
No it doesn't, r18.
by Anonymous | reply 33 | May 18, 2025 12:44 AM |
[quote]Luckily she would go on to have a huge career so it didn't hurt her. Meanwhile, Patty Duke is forgotten today.
First, turn in your gay card because you don't know Valley of the Dolls.
Number two, Angela is remembered because of Murder She Wrote and maybe Beauty and the Beast. Her movie work and theater work is largely forgotten as well. (The only Mame that is talked about anymore is Lucy's).
by Anonymous | reply 34 | May 18, 2025 12:57 AM |
[Quote] "Listen to the Mockingbird" features into THE MIRACLE WORKER.
[Quote] No it doesn't, [R18]
But Mockingbird does
by Anonymous | reply 35 | May 18, 2025 1:23 AM |
Angela Lansbury became a national treasure in the U.S., which is in large part due to Beauty and the Beast and Murder, She Wrote it's a level of fame that transcends a particular show or role. Everybody loved her because she was Angela Lansbury, as such, her entire body of work is referenced in conversation to discuss her diversity as an actor including her early career supporting Oscar nominations, her stage success in Sweeney Todd and Mame, and The Manchurian Candidate because it was so antithetical to her beloved persona. It's the same with Maggie Smith who was a National Treasure in GB (and beloved in the U.S, as well), she's best remembered for Downton Abbey and Harry Potter but her fame goes beyond that and those roles are usually only conversation starters. Beloved figures like those two move past particular roles.
by Anonymous | reply 36 | May 18, 2025 1:30 AM |
[quote]referenced in conversation to discuss her diversity as an actor including her early career supporting Oscar nominations, her stage success in Sweeney Todd and Mame
Yes, Mame and Sweeney Todd are all the rage at dinner parties everywhere! Especially among twenty and thirty year olds!
by Anonymous | reply 37 | May 18, 2025 1:35 AM |
To R18, funny how I never made that connection, despite having seen both movies.
Near the end of The Miracle Worker, Annie sings "Mama's gonna by you a mockingbird" to Helen. Which is the song they played.
Mary Badham was nominated for To Kill a Mockingbird. So when she wasn't announced the winner, one watching could assume they were playing the wrong song when Patty got up to accept.
by Anonymous | reply 38 | May 18, 2025 1:52 AM |
I think by the time Thelma Ritter did Birdman of Alcatraz she was a known familiar quantity, always brilliant and beloved as....Thelma Ritter. Had that been her first nomination, she might have even won that year.
by Anonymous | reply 39 | May 18, 2025 2:04 AM |
No—they wouldn’t have played it if Mary had won. They would have played part of Elmer’s score, as they did for the three Oscars it did win.
by Anonymous | reply 40 | May 18, 2025 2:26 AM |
The Miracle Worker has been performed yearly by High School and College Theatre programs for over 60 years, no one is going to forget Patty Duke and her performance in the film.
Arthur Penn told Patty to pretend she was constipated when she said “wa wa” after recognizing water.
by Anonymous | reply 41 | May 18, 2025 2:40 AM |
She plenty of practice, playing it for several hundred performances on Broadway.
by Anonymous | reply 42 | May 18, 2025 3:08 AM |
R38 no one assumed that except some dimwits here.
by Anonymous | reply 43 | May 18, 2025 3:09 AM |
R22 are you trying to say Mary Badham was dubbed in To Kill a Mockingbird?
by Anonymous | reply 44 | May 18, 2025 3:16 AM |
He’s an idiot.
If we give him any benefit of the doubt it is that he’s mixed up things. Her performance in the final Twilight Zone episode was partially dubbed by June Foray due to the fact that outdoor scenes had defective sound recording.
by Anonymous | reply 45 | May 18, 2025 3:20 AM |
R44 Wasn't it Mercedes McCambridge?
by Anonymous | reply 46 | May 18, 2025 3:27 AM |
No one was dubbed in that film.
by Anonymous | reply 47 | May 18, 2025 3:38 AM |
Poor Patty. Worst stylist ever. Dressed her like a 40 year old miniature Joan Crawford.
by Anonymous | reply 49 | May 18, 2025 4:37 AM |
The movie gave me the creeps when Patty spits out her eggs. I never got over it. I could not watch it again.
by Anonymous | reply 50 | May 18, 2025 4:42 AM |
Angela Lansbury in a pivotal scene with Laurence Harvey in "The Manchurian Candidate" -- this is what got her the Oscar nomination:
by Anonymous | reply 51 | May 18, 2025 7:19 AM |
And the key turning point for Helen (Patty) in The Miracle Worker.
by Anonymous | reply 52 | May 18, 2025 9:46 AM |
Mary Badham’s best work—her scenes directly with Greg Peck were what stood out.
by Anonymous | reply 53 | May 18, 2025 9:48 AM |
when Patty spits out her eggs. I never got over it
This made me laugh. At R50, not at Patty.
by Anonymous | reply 54 | May 18, 2025 10:00 AM |
R55 R52!
by Anonymous | reply 56 | May 18, 2025 10:58 AM |
That was the year Joan Crawford accepted Anne Bancroft's Oscar, and then posed with the other acting Oscar winners as if she herself had won it. I love that.
by Anonymous | reply 57 | May 18, 2025 12:15 PM |
That’s a pic taken every year—nothing out of place there.
by Anonymous | reply 58 | May 18, 2025 12:18 PM |
Usually the person who accepted the Oscar in the actor's pace isn't included, or are they?
by Anonymous | reply 59 | May 18, 2025 12:28 PM |
There are photos from that night of the post-Oscar party with Bette Davis enjoying a chat with Patty so I guess Davis, in the moment, was able to get over her disappointment at losing.
But she made it very clear in several interviews throughout the rest of her life, that she felt she was unjustly deprived of that Oscar, blamed Joan for campaigning against her, and also said that a stage actor (Anne Bancroft) who had played the same role on stage for many performances should not be competing with anyone else.
by Anonymous | reply 60 | May 18, 2025 12:41 PM |
They were. They are.
by Anonymous | reply 61 | May 18, 2025 12:44 PM |
If I remember correctly regarding the egg scene. Patty says she enjoyed matinee days, as those shows were filled with lots of school children who APPLAUDED and clapped when she threw the plates and eggs.
by Anonymous | reply 62 | May 18, 2025 12:50 PM |
R22. Either she was dubbed or they had to go back and re-record all her dialogue—I don’t remember which
by Anonymous | reply 63 | May 18, 2025 12:55 PM |
You don’t remember because it didn’t happen. You made it up.
by Anonymous | reply 64 | May 18, 2025 12:59 PM |
Thelma Ritter always had a come over and watch me lose again party in the latter year she was nominated. I’m guessing after the first three or so nominations, she probably stopped attending and the party she gave herself was her reward instead of winning.
by Anonymous | reply 65 | May 18, 2025 1:39 PM |
Bette should've won the Oscar. Baby Jane could've been a cartoon, but Davis found real pathos in the character. And no other actress of that era would've dared to look so grotesque. Davis didn't give a fuck how she looked, as long as it was true to the character.
by Anonymous | reply 66 | May 18, 2025 1:58 PM |
R66 hag horror films like Baby Jane didn’t win major Oscars back over 60 years ago (also the reason why Agnes went home empty handed two years later for Charlotte). I totally agree with your assessment of Davis. But in the end she wasn’t even close to taking down Bancroft I believe. You had a child like woman losing her mind and torturing her invalid sister, or the teacher who taught a blind, deaf Helen Keller how to communicate. Guess who the loser is going to be here.
by Anonymous | reply 67 | May 18, 2025 2:24 PM |
Bancroft was a clear favorite that year.
by Anonymous | reply 68 | May 18, 2025 2:29 PM |
Yes, R67, “The Miracle Worker” wasn’t just the famous Battle-of-Wills scene in the dining room. It was the ending when suddenly Helen realizes that the sign language Annie has been teaching her is actually a tool that connects to objects and even abstract concepts that will finally rescue Helen from alienated silence, connecting her to the greater world.
It takes a heart of stone to keep from crying at that scene, and Patty Duke’s expression of sudden awareness at that moment, as much as anything else she did, got her that Oscar. Also the two women’s performances were so in tune, so on the same level of excellence and so dependent one on the other, that you could have hardly awarded one and not the other. And yes, they had years to develop that rapport, so Bette Davis had a point that it gave both actors an advantage over the other nominees.
But this movie also embodies liberal values of the post war years about the importance of education in bringing everyone into enlightenment. It lionizes the teacher as a tool of civilization. Seems naive now, but also wonderfully idealistic in a way almost no one dares to be now.
by Anonymous | reply 69 | May 18, 2025 2:49 PM |
Mommo and Poppo must have been so proud.
by Anonymous | reply 70 | May 18, 2025 3:03 PM |
Andrew Prine had a big dick…don’t forget that.
He played her dick of a brother.
by Anonymous | reply 71 | May 18, 2025 3:11 PM |
Beautiful post, r69!
by Anonymous | reply 73 | May 18, 2025 5:56 PM |
What do you all make of Anne Bancroft granting Joan's wish that she pick up her Oscar for her? Did Anne realize how it would look?
by Anonymous | reply 74 | May 18, 2025 5:57 PM |
I don't think Bancroft ever discussed that decision in an interview but I'd love to know if she did.
by Anonymous | reply 75 | May 18, 2025 5:58 PM |
Anne wanted Patty to accept initially, but since Patty was a nominee, and no one else connected to the film was due to show, the Academy nixed it citing it would “confuse the press coverage” (lame). I seem to recall reading that Anne said Joan called her, and offered to accept in her absence, so she thought why not, a big, glamorous movie star accepting for me.
by Anonymous | reply 76 | May 18, 2025 6:17 PM |
The Gospel According to Murphy?
by Anonymous | reply 78 | May 18, 2025 6:27 PM |
Bullshit! Both Arthur Penn The Miracle Worker's director and William Gibson the screenwriter were nominated for Oscars and surely would have been there at the ceremony and could have accepted for Bancroft..
by Anonymous | reply 79 | May 18, 2025 7:48 PM |
3 questions about that ridiculous Ryan Murphy FEUD clip: 1) Why does the theater exterior and marquee look like a cheap movie theater on Hollywood Boulevard? 2) Why is Joan Crawford the only person evidently arriving at the theater that night? and 3) Why is Anne Bancroft putting on all that makeup after the performance?
by Anonymous | reply 80 | May 18, 2025 7:55 PM |
Drama! That’s why
by Anonymous | reply 81 | May 18, 2025 7:57 PM |
Arthur Penn was not there. As a serious New York theater director, the Oscars were Hollywood silliness and not worth making a cross-country trip—to inevitably lose to David Lean. I don’t know about William Gibson.
by Anonymous | reply 82 | May 18, 2025 9:16 PM |
He knew he was likely to lose to Horton Foote, which he did. Foote was not in attendance either.
by Anonymous | reply 83 | May 18, 2025 9:18 PM |
Do you mean the Arthur Penn who came west and built an entire career in the movies with help from Warren Beatty.. Or a different Arthur Penn.
by Anonymous | reply 84 | May 18, 2025 9:19 PM |
R76 this is from the book Inside Oscar. It only stands to reason that if they didn’t allow Duke to accept, Anne would have turned to Gibson. Obviously Penn and Gibson didn’t have plans to show up, which explains her allowing Joan to accept.
by Anonymous | reply 85 | May 18, 2025 9:22 PM |
Penn’s first film with Beatty was the inscrutable Mickey One and even Bonnie and Clyde was written for Truffaut. I didn’t suggest Penn didn’t want to make movies but he didn’t want to make Hollywood product (Promise Her Anything, Kaleidoscope, to stick with Beatty).
by Anonymous | reply 86 | May 18, 2025 9:38 PM |
But he did Blanche, he did.
by Anonymous | reply 87 | May 18, 2025 9:40 PM |
Name one standard Hollywood Arthur Penn film—at least before 1985, when his career, stage and film, was on the wane.
by Anonymous | reply 88 | May 18, 2025 9:51 PM |
"Baby Jane could've been a cartoon, but Davis found real pathos in the character. And no other actress of that era would've dared to look so grotesque. Davis didn't give a fuck how she looked, as long as it was true to the character"
This description could also be applied to Demi Moore's performance in "The Substance". She should have won.
by Anonymous | reply 89 | May 18, 2025 9:55 PM |
R88 you can chill out …he ended up doing Law & Order.
But, to take your bait: by definition Bonnie & Clyde was the Hollywood standard from the time time it was released.
by Anonymous | reply 90 | May 18, 2025 10:10 PM |
R49. Her stylists were drunken child abusers. Mr. Blackwell they weren't!
by Anonymous | reply 91 | May 18, 2025 10:45 PM |
Mary Badham was partially dubbed by June Foray in The Twilight Zone ep. "The Bewitchin' Pool". It was the last of the initial series.
by Anonymous | reply 92 | May 18, 2025 10:52 PM |
Yes r92 which has nothing to do with Scout Finch or her Oscar nod. Please see r47…way ahead of you.
by Anonymous | reply 93 | May 18, 2025 11:00 PM |
And R45 ^
by Anonymous | reply 94 | May 18, 2025 11:00 PM |
[quote]R80 1) Why does the theater exterior and marquee look like a cheap movie theater on Hollywood Boulevard? 2) Why is Joan Crawford the only person evidently arriving at the theater that night? and 3) Why is Anne Bancroft putting on all that makeup after the performance?
Why do you live in the most beautiful house in Brentwood and you don’t care about crease marks from wire hangers, and your room looks like some two dollar unfurnished room in some two-bit backstreet town in Oklahoma ? ! ?
by Anonymous | reply 95 | May 18, 2025 11:24 PM |
R80. Calm down, Lucille.
by Anonymous | reply 96 | May 18, 2025 11:29 PM |
While Joan went over the top with her reaction, I can get why she upset over being snubbed for a nomination. Baby Jane works well because the two play so good off of each other. Joan has the less flashy role, but that doesn't mean she isn't as good.
by Anonymous | reply 97 | May 18, 2025 11:41 PM |
Perhaps the first time the word “standard” was applied to Bonnie and Clyde. The usual adjectives are “groundbreaking,” “landmark,” “influential,” etc.
by Anonymous | reply 98 | May 18, 2025 11:50 PM |
…by which it set a new standard. Get it?
by Anonymous | reply 99 | May 18, 2025 11:57 PM |
If Truffault had directed "Bonnie and Clyde," it would've been tame, violence-wise, because Europeans are shocked by graphic violence, and it wouldn't have been as impactful.
by Anonymous | reply 100 | May 19, 2025 12:12 AM |
I meant "shocked by guns."
by Anonymous | reply 101 | May 19, 2025 12:17 AM |
[quote]R100 If Truffault had directed "Bonnie and Clyde," it would've been tame, violence-wise
And we’d likely have Jean Seberg as Bonnie.
by Anonymous | reply 102 | May 19, 2025 12:27 AM |
Katharine Hepburn quietly campaigned that year as she thought her performance in long days journey into night was one of the best of her career. It may have been the only or one of the few times she actually campaigned for it.
1962 is considered one of the strongest years for best actress in Oscar history. However, the next year is considered one of the weakest ever.
by Anonymous | reply 103 | May 19, 2025 12:32 AM |
[Quote] Name one standard Hollywood Arthur Penn film—at least before 1985, when his career, stage and film, was on the wane.
R88 Producer Sam Spiegel's The Chase starring Jane Fonda, Marlon Brando, Robert Redford, Angie Dickinson, James Fox and Robert Duvall
by Anonymous | reply 104 | May 19, 2025 12:32 AM |
I can get why she upset over being snubbed for a nomination
R97 - particularly as she's the one who got the party started.
by Anonymous | reply 105 | May 19, 2025 12:40 AM |
I am perhaps one of the few who hate Baby Jane and think both Joan and Bette are slumming. I can see that Bette might have viewed it as a comeback vehicle after she had such a hard time getting films in the 1950s. But I think Bancroft had the better narrative. This was the film version of her stage triumph after she had reinvented herself as a stage actress. And for Bette to say she was just repeating her stage performance is just sour grapes.
by Anonymous | reply 106 | May 19, 2025 12:44 AM |
Anne had a Bette-like batch of nominations in that period. She was jealous.
by Anonymous | reply 107 | May 19, 2025 12:47 AM |
Ms. Angie Dickinson for ALL the Oscars! She's one of our finest actresses, you put Ms. Maggie Smith in Police Woman and see how well she'd do!
by Anonymous | reply 108 | May 19, 2025 12:48 AM |
[Quote] Angela had the last laugh. Patty got "Valley Of The Dolls" and mental problems- and she got a long and distinguished career in movies, stage and TV.
Well at least she never married a fag!
by Anonymous | reply 109 | May 19, 2025 12:49 AM |
Why is Anne Bancroft putting on all that makeup after the performance?
R80 - she has a date with Mel Brooks.
by Anonymous | reply 110 | May 19, 2025 12:54 AM |
R98
Buy the new memoir “The Golden Hour” Read it—Chapter 2 in particular will have something to say to you. A good read—less literal than your take on Hollywood.
by Anonymous | reply 111 | May 19, 2025 2:45 AM |
R104 I thought of The Chase when I asked the question. It is overwrought and borderline ludicrous (though worth watching at least once), but with its Lillian Hellman screenplay tackling promiscuity, racism, vigilantism, corruption, and ending in a replay of the shooting of Lee Harvey Oswald, it may not be good, it may be pretentious, but it is still nothing standard. What I have never understood is how it is based on a play by (the above mentioned) Horton Foote, usually the least melodramatic of playwrights. It does however make a case for Bonnie and Clyde, particularly in its comedy, being as much the work of its screenwriters, including the just departed Robert Benton, and producer Beatty as Arthur Penn—still, enough credit to go around for all.
by Anonymous | reply 114 | May 19, 2025 3:04 AM |
I grew up watching "The Patty Duke Show." Little did I know that years later I would become friends with the actress.
I was working in Spokane, Washington, when she moved to nearby Coeur d'Alene, Idaho. I had been doing some acting at the Spokane Civic Theatre and Duke had seen my work.
When NBC asked her to lead a show called "Amazing Grace," she agreed, provided the production was moved to Idaho. She told the artistic director of the Civic to make sure I auditioned for her show.
I was cast as a reporter, not a stretch since I had been working as an anchor and reporter at a Spokane TV station.
Duke couldn't have been kinder. She helped me navigate through the prep (makeup, craft services, table read) so I could be up to speed. Thought I was a lowly extra, she arranged for me to have my own trailer.
That experience led to me being cast in a subsequent TV movie.
She and I often met for coffee and I considered her a friend. After she died, her widower texted me to say she "adored" me. I was blown away, since I had no idea she felt that way about me. Duke forgotten? Not by me.
by Anonymous | reply 115 | May 19, 2025 3:26 AM |
[quote]Mary Badham was partially dubbed by June Foray in The Twilight Zone ep. "The Bewitchin' Pool". It was the last of the initial series.
Which explains why Mary suddenly sounds like Rocky the Flying Squirrel.
by Anonymous | reply 116 | May 19, 2025 3:42 AM |
R114 Basically it's Peyton Place in a small Texas town.
by Anonymous | reply 117 | May 19, 2025 6:52 AM |
What a lovely memory, r115. She must have really admired you!
by Anonymous | reply 118 | May 19, 2025 7:47 AM |
One of the things I noticed about Arthur Penn's The Chase R114 was that Robert Redford playing an escaped convict on the run always had perfectly coiffed hair. And why would an escaped convict be returning to his hometown where people would recognize him and the police would be looking for him?
by Anonymous | reply 119 | May 19, 2025 9:21 PM |
Yes R116. What a piddling way to end its run.
by Anonymous | reply 120 | May 20, 2025 12:28 AM |
It wasn’t the last one filmed, but yes, the last shown—intentional, as Rod wasn’t much satisfied by the final product.
The sound team really screwed the pooch.
by Anonymous | reply 121 | May 20, 2025 1:06 AM |
There’s this: I absolutely loved the big swimming pool and it’s shown up in other TV episodes, but where was it? I couldn’t find any info about it and it looked so removed from a lot.
by Anonymous | reply 122 | May 20, 2025 3:21 AM |
OK that makes want to see The Chase for the first time. I love to hate Lillian. I think I got it mixed up with that other stinker from that time Hurry Sundown.
by Anonymous | reply 123 | May 20, 2025 3:29 AM |
My guess was that it was a backlot of the Warner Ranch, not so realistic as to be an actual location (in a neighborhood). All of the lines spoken in the swimming pool scenes sound “off” IIRC somewhere they said construction sounds nearby created issues.
Wiki repeats the story of nearby outdoor noise causing the problem. More below
by Anonymous | reply 124 | May 20, 2025 3:33 AM |
Arthur Penn said Sam Spiegel, who produced "The Chase," assured him he could edit it while working on a play in New York, but reneged on the agreement as soon as production finished. Penn said the studio edit ruined the movie; years later a Columbia exec asked Penn if he would be interested in trying to re-edit the film, but he decided it would be too painful.
by Anonymous | reply 125 | May 20, 2025 3:50 AM |
Based on what made it to the screen, it’s hard to believe a simple re-edit would have saved The Chase, beyond removing its most ludicrous moments. Re-shooting and re-editing—maybe.
by Anonymous | reply 126 | May 20, 2025 4:00 AM |
[quote]r123 I think I got it mixed up with that other stinker from that time Hurry Sundown.
John Phillip Law and Faye Dunaway run a farm in that movie. Apparently they raise berries or something that give you fabulous bone structure.
by Anonymous | reply 127 | May 20, 2025 4:04 AM |
Otto Preminger's wife Hope said Miss Dunaway behaved very badly during the production of "Hurry Sundown":
[quote]She took over an air-conditioned trailer and banished dear Diahann Carroll who was to have shared the trailer with her. She made Diahann learn her lines outside the trailer, in the heat. She was insolent to the crew. She was incredibly slovenly about her personal appearance. She wasn't even nice to John Law, when everybody else loved him—he is a wonderful man, so friendly, and he was terrific with our twins boys. Ms. Dunaway was even rude to them. She tried to have an affair with Michael Caine, because he was the biggest star on the set.
by Anonymous | reply 128 | May 20, 2025 4:31 AM |
^^ my goodness!
by Anonymous | reply 129 | May 20, 2025 5:05 AM |
Brando's makeup in The Chase is ridiculous as is most of the film
by Anonymous | reply 130 | May 20, 2025 5:47 AM |
“Twin boys” should be “twins” in Hope Preminger’s quote. One was a girl.
by Anonymous | reply 131 | May 20, 2025 3:06 PM |
I remember seeing The Chase and I liked it but I was in high school and was pretty much liked every movie I watched.
by Anonymous | reply 132 | May 20, 2025 6:04 PM |
Horton Foote could spin a fine tale out of small-town America, but he didn’t have final approval.
by Anonymous | reply 133 | May 20, 2025 6:14 PM |
He may not have had approval, but the movie, lurid and hyperbolic, is so far from the plays and other screenplays of his I’ve seen that I wonder if Lillian Hellman did a complete re-write. Does anyone know the play it is based on? Did Foote change his usual barely-dramatized style for it—or this all Hellman or maybe producer Spiegel?
by Anonymous | reply 134 | May 20, 2025 8:24 PM |
He’s content in the grave with a Pulitzer Prize and two Oscars.
by Anonymous | reply 135 | May 20, 2025 8:26 PM |
[quote]R128 Otto Preminger's wife Hope said Miss Dunaway behaved very badly during the production of "Hurry Sundown"
Faye began her unholy cuntery at an early age. My friend’s dad went to school with her in Germany (junior high, I think) and said she was a bully. Another friend of mine became close to her when they worked out at the same gym (1990s? Early 2000s?) and she seriously thinks Dunaway is on the spectrum. Like, she cannot read other people’s emotions, so is often having these weirdly skewed conflicts.
[quote] She took over an air-conditioned trailer and banished dear Diahann Carroll who was to have shared the trailer with her. She made Diahann learn her lines outside the trailer, in the heat.
Diahann Carroll should have thrown all of Miss Dunaway’s crap out the door, opining she ‘d be happier somewhere quieter.
by Anonymous | reply 137 | May 20, 2025 8:58 PM |
Actually, Diahann Carroll was a real cunt too. RIP.
by Anonymous | reply 138 | May 20, 2025 10:05 PM |
I imagine Faye had the upper hand, though, being a white woman in 1966.
Which is also pretty crappy of her - considering she was raised primarily in the south. She was well aware of the dynamic in play.
by Anonymous | reply 139 | May 20, 2025 11:07 PM |
Why would the director and producers stand for that? They could just get another trailer for Diahann, at the very least.
by Anonymous | reply 140 | May 21, 2025 12:03 AM |
Dunaway was under personal contract to Preminger at the time, so that gave her more power.
by Anonymous | reply 141 | May 21, 2025 12:06 AM |
Faye was bipolar, and most likely unmedicated during that time. She must have been a mess.
by Anonymous | reply 142 | May 21, 2025 12:08 AM |
In her autobiography Faye wrote that her weight goes up and down in that film, from scene to scene, because she initially showed up thin but then the set was so tense she started eating.
by Anonymous | reply 143 | May 21, 2025 12:10 AM |
Duke's post-Miracle Worker film output was sad. Bad management? TV guest star roles; the disappointing "Billie"; that weird sitcom; then the final nail: VOTD.
She redeemed herself in later years, but the 60s were mostly a tragic loss.
by Anonymous | reply 144 | May 21, 2025 12:32 AM |
Well, true, but I think that had more to do with her mental illness than anything. Poor Anna!
I just noticed that her real name was Anna Marie and Anne Bancroft's was Anna Maria. <3
by Anonymous | reply 145 | May 21, 2025 8:04 PM |
Anna Maria Italiano, from Christopher Columbus HS in the Bronx.
Now that’s Italian!
by Anonymous | reply 146 | May 21, 2025 8:14 PM |
They are no Anna Maria Horsford!
by Anonymous | reply 147 | May 21, 2025 8:23 PM |
Really kind of incredible how Anne Bancroft understood how she had to reinvent herself and really did.
by Anonymous | reply 148 | May 22, 2025 12:17 AM |
Just like every ethnic actor, actress or studio executive did until the late 20th c.
SOP
by Anonymous | reply 149 | May 22, 2025 12:54 AM |
Patty presents the best supporting actor at the 1964 Academy Awards Brandon deWilde accepts the award for Melvyn Douglas
by Anonymous | reply 150 | May 22, 2025 2:38 AM |
Brandon at his finest.
by Anonymous | reply 151 | May 22, 2025 2:43 AM |
Anna Maria Alberghetti in a taxi, Honey.
by Anonymous | reply 152 | May 22, 2025 2:45 AM |
A glam Patty makes up for the prior year’s fiasco
by Anonymous | reply 153 | May 22, 2025 2:51 AM |
Patty was so oddly proportioned as evidenced in that clip at r150. A huge head on a tiny torso with stubby legs. Brandon seemed like he wanted nothing to do with her.
by Anonymous | reply 154 | May 22, 2025 2:57 AM |
Patty Duke also won three Emmys.
Surprisingly, Angela Lansbury had 18 Emmy nominations, but never won.
by Anonymous | reply 155 | May 22, 2025 3:06 AM |
I have to laugh at that biddy reading the paper in front of Nick Adams in R150.
by Anonymous | reply 156 | May 22, 2025 3:07 AM |
Brandon seemed like he wanted nothing to do with her.
He still had a hardon for Alan Ladd.
by Anonymous | reply 157 | May 22, 2025 3:09 AM |
Could you blame him?
by Anonymous | reply 158 | May 22, 2025 3:13 AM |
R154 they had a lot in common. Both were outerborough kids who played key roles in Broadway smash hits at a very young age, and shortly thereafter had Oscar nominations. IIRC he was the youngest nominee ever until Mary Badham beat him to it.
by Anonymous | reply 159 | May 22, 2025 3:14 AM |
She’s reading the program’s list of nominees, silly.
by Anonymous | reply 160 | May 22, 2025 3:20 AM |
R156 That old biddy was Edith Evans a nominee that year for best supporting actress in Tom Jones, She was reading the program apparently
by Anonymous | reply 161 | May 22, 2025 3:21 AM |
Dame Edith Evan’s to you!
by Anonymous | reply 162 | May 22, 2025 3:31 AM |
Oops. Evans
by Anonymous | reply 163 | May 22, 2025 3:32 AM |
I have to laugh when Patty says, "And now" after an uncomfortable pause.
by Anonymous | reply 164 | May 22, 2025 3:46 AM |
Liza got to accept when Melvyn didn't show up to accept his second Oscar.
by Anonymous | reply 165 | May 22, 2025 3:52 AM |
in a Supporting Role.
by Anonymous | reply 167 | May 22, 2025 4:14 AM |
Big wig
…on Rita’s head
by Anonymous | reply 168 | May 22, 2025 4:18 AM |
I would have thought "America" would have been a better choice for her than "Tonight".
by Anonymous | reply 169 | May 22, 2025 4:20 AM |
Sandra Dee is sitting next to Bobby Darin looking tense, her career on the wane. I wonder if she is envious of fellow thespian Patty at that point: Broadway star, Oscar winner, her own TV show, recording artist, etc.?
by Anonymous | reply 170 | May 22, 2025 4:27 AM |
Hey R170, Patty Duke never had a hit song written about her and sung by Stockard Channing!
by Anonymous | reply 171 | May 22, 2025 4:33 AM |
[quote]Faye began her unholy cuntery at an early age. My friend’s dad went to school with her in Germany (junior high, I think) and said she was a bully.
Well, she was an army brat.
by Anonymous | reply 172 | May 22, 2025 4:57 AM |
[quote]Dame Edith Evans to you!
So wonderful as Lady Bracknell in the 1952 movie adaptation of "The Importance of Being Earnest." She manages to turn "handbag" into a 12-syllable word.
by Anonymous | reply 174 | May 22, 2025 9:08 AM |
Hey, Atticus!
That year’s Best Actor—Greg Peck even thanked the press for their words! How often do you hear that in an Oscar speech?!
by Anonymous | reply 175 | May 22, 2025 10:05 AM |
Bette Davis at the same Oscars, just before she lost to Anne.
Horton Foote wins over William Gibson (and Robert Bolt).
by Anonymous | reply 176 | May 22, 2025 10:14 AM |
Is Bette wearing her All About Eve party dress?
by Anonymous | reply 177 | May 22, 2025 11:21 AM |
[quote]Angela had the last laugh. Patty got "Valley Of The Dolls" and mental problems- and she got a long and distinguished career in movies, stage and TV.
Patty had an Oscar and 3 Emmys on 10 nominations. Angela had no Oscar and no Emmys on 18 nominations. The Academy threw Angie a bone with an Honorary, the same award they gave Steve Martin and Tyler Perry.
by Anonymous | reply 178 | May 22, 2025 1:21 PM |
You don’t know your Oscar history at all. Perry received the JH Humanitarian Award, which is not the same as an honorary Oscar.
by Anonymous | reply 179 | May 22, 2025 1:23 PM |
R179 it's still an Oscar statuette.
It's the Irving G. Thalberg Memorial Award that's a bust of the man.
by Anonymous | reply 180 | May 22, 2025 1:32 PM |
It’s not an honorary Oscar. Look it up.
by Anonymous | reply 181 | May 22, 2025 1:48 PM |
Poor Bette was so nervous presenting those screenwriting Oscars, in anticipation of her loss.
by Anonymous | reply 182 | May 22, 2025 2:31 PM |
I wonder if Bette knew in advance that Joan would be accepting for Bancroft? If not, it must have hurt even more.
Of course, at that point, no one had ever won 3 Oscars (except for Walter Brennan) so maybe that soothed Bette somewhat.
by Anonymous | reply 183 | May 22, 2025 2:36 PM |
In terms of last-laugh, The DataLounge seems equally-obsessed with "Murder She Wrote" and "Valley of the Dolls."
by Anonymous | reply 184 | May 22, 2025 8:08 PM |
Bette said numerous times and interviews that she wanted to be the first to win three in lead. After “Miss Hepburn” beat her to it she seemed gracious about it, but I’m sure it bugged her.
I’ve never heard her comment on Hepburn’s fourth and I’ve read all of the books.
by Anonymous | reply 186 | May 22, 2025 8:17 PM |
I would imagine NOT acknowledging the 4th Oscar was Bette pretending it never happened. Obviously she knew by then she'd never catch up, much less surpass Kate.
by Anonymous | reply 187 | May 22, 2025 8:29 PM |
R178 [quote]Patty had an Oscar and 3 Emmys on 10 nominations.
You add 1 Oscar and 3 Emmys, you get 4!
Angela Lansbury won 5 TONYS!!!! How many did Miss Duke win? ZERO !!!
So Angela WINS !!!!!!!!!!
by Anonymous | reply 188 | May 23, 2025 12:08 AM |
Patty didn't get at Tony for The Miracle Worker?
Bette Davis was very respectful of Katharine Hepburn, though Kate was rather dismissive of Bette, but I think both sides speak to Kate's petty competetiveness and Bette's appreciation and reverence for all things New England Yankee
by Anonymous | reply 189 | May 23, 2025 12:17 AM |
No she did not.
by Anonymous | reply 190 | May 23, 2025 12:22 AM |
Patty wasn't even nominated for a Tony for The Miracle Worker.
by Anonymous | reply 191 | May 23, 2025 12:26 AM |
Kids didn’t get awards on Broadway much…
by Anonymous | reply 192 | May 23, 2025 12:36 AM |
To the best of my knowledge, Katharine Hepburn never had much to say about her female Hollywood contemporaries except Greta Garbo.
by Anonymous | reply 193 | May 23, 2025 12:36 AM |
Yes, as I remember Dick Cavett tries to get Kate to talk about Bette but she just won't take the bait. Whereas in her Cavett interview, Bette was very complimentary of Kate.
by Anonymous | reply 194 | May 23, 2025 12:46 AM |
Anne Revere won that 1960 Tony for "Toys in the Attic," in the role Wendy Hiller played in the 1963 movie adaptation. Revere had been blacklisted in Hollywood through most of the 1950s, but found some work in the theater.
by Anonymous | reply 195 | May 23, 2025 12:58 AM |
Anne Revere was the embodiment of the term 'handsome woman'
by Anonymous | reply 196 | May 23, 2025 2:38 AM |
Anne’s Oscar win at :40. She had three nominations in 5 years…
by Anonymous | reply 197 | May 23, 2025 2:54 AM |
Revere always reminded me a bit of Flora Robson; they were about the same age and had long careers. Both were very talented. Sorry for the unexpected tangent on YOUR thread, Patty.
by Anonymous | reply 198 | May 23, 2025 4:01 AM |
^^ cane face alert
by Anonymous | reply 199 | May 23, 2025 4:15 AM |
There's a Wendy Hiller movie I didn't know about! 😀
by Anonymous | reply 200 | May 23, 2025 1:34 PM |
I remember seeing Anna Italiano in the old Tales Of Tommorrow tv show.
by Anonymous | reply 201 | May 24, 2025 1:46 AM |
R10 Couldn't they have bought her a dress?
by Anonymous | reply 202 | May 24, 2025 1:49 AM |
I forget where I read it, but Bette apparently called Kate after Tracy died to offer condolences, and talked to her about how much they both loved him. This really annoyed Hepburn, since she had devoted her life to Tracy while Bette was merely one of the many women Spencer had been involved with in his life.
by Anonymous | reply 203 | May 24, 2025 1:58 AM |
I'm not necessarily doubting that , r203, but I'm wondering how an incident like that could have been made known to anyone. Can't imagine Kate would have talked about it with anyone who who have blabbed.
by Anonymous | reply 205 | May 24, 2025 2:11 AM |
[quote]This really annoyed Hepburn, since she had devoted her life to Tracy
Kate didn't "devote her life" to Spencer, r203.
by Anonymous | reply 206 | May 24, 2025 2:13 AM |
R206 She gave up her film career for several years after he had a heart attack (he had it when he was with her, at the beach. I think it was Trancas Beach). She spent a good amount of time taking care of him. Anyway are you going to say that she wasn't close to him for years, and devoted to him, vs. Bette Davis?
R205 Well, she could have told somebody, it's not out of the question, and that person may have spoken after her death. Or for that matter, Bette may have told someone that she called and said what she said. It sounds like something Bette would have said. I guess the point is, why would anyone make that up? Where would the even get the idea? I don't have the source, unfortunately.
by Anonymous | reply 207 | May 24, 2025 2:22 AM |
What were these several years she didn’t work? Does not compute.
by Anonymous | reply 208 | May 24, 2025 2:25 AM |
There were definitely a few years in the 1950s when Hepburn didn't make any films but I'm not so sure she wasn't doing stage work at those times.
by Anonymous | reply 209 | May 24, 2025 2:29 AM |
She made 7 films and had 3 Oscar nods in that decade alone. She was in 5 plays in NY and London and toured Australia, all in that decade.
…next
by Anonymous | reply 210 | May 24, 2025 2:35 AM |
[quote]What were these several years she didn’t work? Does not compute.
Katharine Hepburn definitely didn't work playing a Chinese peasant woman in "Dragonseed."
by Anonymous | reply 211 | May 24, 2025 2:39 AM |
Was Kate's lowest career point playing straight man to Bob Hope in 1956's The Iron Petticoat? Did she ever speak of that experience? Has anyone??
by Anonymous | reply 212 | May 24, 2025 2:41 AM |
She didn't work in films for several years in the 60s.
by Anonymous | reply 213 | May 24, 2025 2:43 AM |
R213 try again
by Anonymous | reply 214 | May 24, 2025 2:45 AM |
[quote]Anyway are you going to say that she wasn't close to him for years, and devoted to him, vs. Bette Davis?
If I was going to say that, r207, I would have.
by Anonymous | reply 215 | May 24, 2025 2:46 AM |
Ignore that— sorry.
She did have a break between Long Day’s and Lion.
by Anonymous | reply 216 | May 24, 2025 2:46 AM |
For R213^
by Anonymous | reply 217 | May 24, 2025 2:48 AM |
She had a five year gap between Long Day's and Guess Who's Coming.
by Anonymous | reply 218 | May 24, 2025 2:48 AM |
And those are precisely the years when Spencer was at his worst health-wise.
by Anonymous | reply 219 | May 24, 2025 2:54 AM |
Why are we dishing Hepburn and Davis on Patty's thread when they each have active threads of their own?
by Anonymous | reply 220 | May 24, 2025 2:54 AM |
Because this fits better 60s films and Oscar nominations
by Anonymous | reply 221 | May 24, 2025 2:56 AM |
Here's an interesting Patty Duke tidbit that OP might love.
Producers of Knots Landing were extremely interested in casting Patty in the Laura Avery role that Constance McCashin ended up making iconic (DL iconic, that is). But Knots writer/producer David Jacobs insisted on going with the unknown McCashin because he had worked with her on a previous series and claimed he created the character with her in mind.
by Anonymous | reply 222 | May 24, 2025 4:46 AM |
[quote]r203 I forget where I read it, but Bette apparently called Kate after Tracy died to offer condolences, and talked to her about how much they both loved him. This really annoyed Hepburn, since she had devoted her life to Tracy while Bette was merely one of the many women Spencer had been involved with in his life.
OMG - that's the funniest thing I've read in this thread!! What if ALL the old drunk's lovers, male and female, called to commiserate and cry on her shoulder??
For months as Kate entered the house, Phyllis Wilbourn would be all, "There's some more messages for you, Miss Hepburn."
by Anonymous | reply 223 | May 24, 2025 5:05 AM |
Was Spencer Tracy really bi or is that just rumor?
by Anonymous | reply 224 | May 24, 2025 11:45 AM |
Pleased to see Joan was ahead of her time and didn't call David Lean the "winner" but simply trumpeted his name.
True class!
by Anonymous | reply 226 | May 24, 2025 1:48 PM |
R208 Encyclopedia Britannica:
[quote] Hepburn had suspended her own career for nearly five years to nurse Tracy through what turned out to be his final illness.
This was in the '60s. She made no films between Long Day's Journey into Night (1962) and Guess Who's Coming to Dinner (1967). Before that, she had made movies every year, more or less. Sometimes more than one a year. Tracy made movies during that period, she didn't. She traveled with him and basically was in the position of a wife who took care of him.
A few years prior to that, she reduced her commitments or made commitments that ensured she could be near Tracy or costar with him.
Too bad you people never read.
by Anonymous | reply 227 | May 24, 2025 2:34 PM |
To R224, not Bi, just really " closeted married drunken Gay man who felt guilty about getting fucked by men".
He lived on Billy Wilder's estate in Beverly Hills in his guest house!!
by Anonymous | reply 228 | May 24, 2025 2:45 PM |
R226 nothing special. Lots of presenters did the same before her, as there was no specific phrase required. You can see for yourself in hundreds of old clips.
by Anonymous | reply 229 | May 24, 2025 2:50 PM |
R227 too bad you didn’t read, yourself. This issue (which originally referenced the 50s) was addressed, and moved on, before you decided to chime in late.
by Anonymous | reply 230 | May 24, 2025 2:52 PM |
R228 Tracy lived in the gardener's cottage on George Cukor's property, in the Hollywood Hills.
by Anonymous | reply 231 | May 24, 2025 2:53 PM |
R230 You don't know what you're talking about. I was part of that discussion. Came back to the thread today and saw a lot of misinformation which I attemped to clear up.
by Anonymous | reply 232 | May 24, 2025 2:57 PM |
It was cleared up well before you came back today. Bye👋🏼
by Anonymous | reply 233 | May 24, 2025 3:00 PM |
Sorry to see you go (not really). Nothing was cleared up until I did so.
by Anonymous | reply 234 | May 24, 2025 3:05 PM |
See r218 which came last night, well before your r227. Please stop.
by Anonymous | reply 235 | May 24, 2025 3:06 PM |
Including clearing up that Tracy didn't live on Billy Wilder's estate.
by Anonymous | reply 236 | May 24, 2025 3:07 PM |
R235 Yeah someone disputed it--so I quoted Britannica. If what I wrote bothered you so much just block me or just ignore what I wrote. Simple.
by Anonymous | reply 237 | May 24, 2025 3:10 PM |
No one disputed r218–it’s all in your head
by Anonymous | reply 238 | May 24, 2025 3:23 PM |
Quite big tits.
by Anonymous | reply 240 | May 25, 2025 12:22 AM |
R238 See R208
by Anonymous | reply 241 | May 25, 2025 12:25 AM |
quite big tits
by Anonymous | reply 242 | May 25, 2025 12:25 AM |
R241. That was before 218. Go away
by Anonymous | reply 243 | May 25, 2025 2:08 AM |
R243 You make it easy to go away.
by Anonymous | reply 244 | May 25, 2025 6:25 PM |
Related to theme music I recognize the theme from Sweet Bird of Youth as the song "Ebb Tide". I had seen the film a long time ago but never connected the song that I had heard on a Sinatra album.
by Anonymous | reply 245 | May 26, 2025 12:13 AM |
Edith Head was a two-time loser that night! You can be sure her acceptance speech would have been longer than the two winners.
by Anonymous | reply 247 | May 26, 2025 2:15 AM |
PHAEDRA is a trip and DataLounge would love it to pieces.
Loony, visually striking with a major diva turn by Melina Mercouri, and a lot of simpering from Tony Perkins. It’s really a film that should be better known and ought to be part of the Criterion Collection.
by Anonymous | reply 249 | May 26, 2025 2:45 AM |
Did Melina's duds deserve their Oscar nom, r249?
by Anonymous | reply 250 | May 26, 2025 2:53 AM |
YES!
For that white outfit with the turban and sunglasses alone (which you can glimpse in the trailer).
by Anonymous | reply 251 | May 26, 2025 3:00 AM |
[quote]that white outfit with the turban
Old news.
by Anonymous | reply 252 | May 26, 2025 3:09 AM |
The production design for Mockingbird is famous for the fact that the Finches’ street used real houses that had been relocated, saved from demolition for freeway right of ways and (allegedly) Dodger Stadium. The Radley house still exists on the Universal back lot, near “Cabot Cove.”
by Anonymous | reply 254 | May 26, 2025 12:09 PM |
[quote]Edith Head was a two-time loser that night! You can be sure her acceptance speech would have been longer than the two winners.
She must have been inconsolable.
by Anonymous | reply 255 | May 26, 2025 12:26 PM |
Does anyone else remember those stories of how Edith Head was hired by the Oscars to patrol the cleavage of the lady presenters before they showed up on camera? I believe she said she had have bits of tulle and lace that she could sew or pin on their exposed chests as a last minute cover up.
by Anonymous | reply 256 | May 26, 2025 1:13 PM |
Seeing Gene Kelly reminded me that The Academy Awards were produced by Arthur Freed in 1963. The Oscars were a classy affair when Freed produced them (and later, his MGM colleague, Joe Pasternak).
by Anonymous | reply 257 | May 26, 2025 4:26 PM |
Ah Shirley Knight WAS there. She is seen sitting behind Omar Shariff at the end of ^ clip.
by Anonymous | reply 259 | May 27, 2025 1:29 AM |
If I were Shirley I'd have sat on Omar's lap.
by Anonymous | reply 260 | May 27, 2025 1:54 AM |
I remember a s a child watching Oscar telecasts like this one from the early 1960s when they'd bring out big stars from Hollywood' past like those we've seen in these clips from 1963: Fred Astaire, Ginger Rogers, Olivia de Havilland, Joan Crawford, Gene Kelly, host Frank Sinatra, et. al.
I mean, they were all still working but they were no longer the box office draw they once were, yet the Oscars respected the history those old timers brought to the event. Sadly, this is no longer a thing at the Oscars.
by Anonymous | reply 261 | May 27, 2025 2:41 AM |
Poor Wendell Corey (or Curry, as pronounced by Miss Bergman) appeared to be suffering from extreme constipation. Or perhaps diarrhea.
by Anonymous | reply 264 | May 27, 2025 3:05 AM |
Curry will do that to a fella.
by Anonymous | reply 265 | May 27, 2025 3:35 AM |
He was a an Oscar-caliber alcoholic according to Wiki.
He also was elected to the Santa Monica City Council, as a Goldwater Republican…pretty funny to think about that, if you know more recent Santa Monica politics.
by Anonymous | reply 267 | May 27, 2025 3:46 AM |
[quote]Poor Wendell Corey (or Curry, as pronounced by Miss Bergman)
She's Swedish, r264, be glad she didn't say "Duh doo duh doo duh doo duh."
by Anonymous | reply 268 | May 27, 2025 3:51 AM |
Feud showed is that little Patty Duke had a dog in her purse but you can't see it on the red carpet.
by Anonymous | reply 270 | May 27, 2025 10:03 AM |
It wasn't her dog, it was her keeper's and apparently treated better than Anna.
by Anonymous | reply 271 | May 27, 2025 12:12 PM |
It looks empty.
by Anonymous | reply 272 | May 28, 2025 12:44 AM |
Joan's wearing a different dress on the red carpet to her beaded one on the show.
by Anonymous | reply 273 | May 28, 2025 12:47 AM |
[quote]Joan's wearing a different dress on the red carpet to her beaded one on the show.
Well of course, dear. What would you expect?
by Anonymous | reply 274 | May 28, 2025 1:17 AM |
Who is the man with Joan?
by Anonymous | reply 275 | May 28, 2025 1:20 AM |
Do you think Victor Buono really deserved a nomination for Baby Jane?
by Anonymous | reply 276 | May 28, 2025 1:23 AM |
I don't see why not, r276. He was good and he was very different in Charlotte.
by Anonymous | reply 277 | May 28, 2025 1:41 AM |
I think that's one of the twins next to Joan on the red carpet.
by Anonymous | reply 278 | May 28, 2025 1:43 AM |
Ah Shelley Winters presents Best Sound and Best Special Effects at the clip on R269.
by Anonymous | reply 279 | May 28, 2025 1:57 AM |
You just figured that out?
by Anonymous | reply 280 | May 28, 2025 2:00 AM |
She and Sinatra hated each other - look how quickly he drops her hand.
by Anonymous | reply 281 | May 28, 2025 6:20 AM |
From article, below
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VANITY FAIR: Shelley Winters loved a good fight—and is refreshingly honest about that. She describes her rows with gusto, giving one the distinct impression that crossing her was probably a very bad idea. But she met her mouthy match while shooting 1952’s Meet Danny Wilson. His name was Frank Sinatra.
Sinatra was then in the midst of his tortured romance with Ava Gardner, surrounded by priests and hangers-on, “impossible and so disturbed that he couldn’t hear anything that was said to him.” He and Winters immediately got on each others’ nerves, and things erupted while shooting at the Burbank Airport.
“The mildest things we called each other were ’bowlegged bitch of Brooklyn blonde’ and ‘skinny, no-talent stupid Hoboken bastard,’” Winters writes. “Around three in the morning Frank flew into a terrible rage at me…I screamed like a fishwife and I think I slugged him.”
Sinatra fled the set, and Winters went home in a rage. While shooting a hospital scene, things got physical yet again when Sinatra went off script. “When he got to his last line he said, ‘I’ll go have a cup of Jack Daniels, or I’m gonna pull that blonde broad’s hair out by its black roots.’ Before the camera could fade, I grabbed a convenient bed pan and threw it. It connected.”
Production was shut down, and only resumed when Sinatra’s estranged wife Nancy called Winters begging her to finish the picture for the sake of her children. But the chauvinistic Sinatra expressed his gratitude in a strange way. Winters writes:
That season Frank had a weekly television show…and at the end of each show…Sinatra would say, as if he were cursing, “I leave you with two words…SHELLEY WINTERS.”
by Anonymous | reply 282 | May 28, 2025 6:31 AM |
It's a pity R225 doesn't show Joan entering down that ramp.
by Anonymous | reply 283 | May 28, 2025 7:37 AM |
Sinatra was still a big box office draw in 1963, R261. He had just made The Manchurian Candidate. Still ahead were Four for Texas, Robin and the Seven Hoods, None But the Brave and Von Ryan's express were still in the future. Gene Kelly wasn't a big movie star any more but he was currently starring in a TV series in 1962-63. Olivia de Havilland starred in The Light In the Piazza in 1962. But Sinatra was the main one who was still a big movie star at the time.
by Anonymous | reply 284 | May 28, 2025 11:48 AM |
Olivia also starred in a Broadway play with Henry Fonda in '62.
by Anonymous | reply 285 | May 28, 2025 12:10 PM |
My point is - there was a respect for stars of yesteryear in those early Oscar telecasts that we rarely see now. As I said, they were all still working, just not at the brightest wattage they were at the height of their careers, Sinatra possibly excepted. There was also a gentler ribbing of the industry in the in-between patter and jokes back then as opposed to the current nastiness.
by Anonymous | reply 286 | May 28, 2025 1:19 PM |
They’re not at the Oscars because they are dead! Or in hiding.
Jane Fonda is an exception. She’s the Olivia de Havilland of the 21st c.
by Anonymous | reply 287 | May 28, 2025 1:29 PM |
Jane will be 88 this year.
by Anonymous | reply 288 | May 28, 2025 1:35 PM |
R286 I agree with your point. I think the same thing about respect for stars of yesteryear not happening now. Even in the late '70s and into the '90s there were a lot of older stars appearing on the Oscars (Greer Garson and Walter Pidgeon, Jennifer Jones presenting Best Picture). But as I thought about it I realized most of the 'classic" stars participating in this '63 Oscars were not that old. Sinatra and Olivia were still in their 40s, for example. They really weren't "stars of yesteryear" at that point.
by Anonymous | reply 289 | May 28, 2025 1:37 PM |
[quote]My point is - there was a respect for stars of yesteryear in those early Oscar telecasts that we rarely see now.
And they would give out ONE Honorary to a really deserving actor on the show. Now they toss them out like Pez at a private dinner.
by Anonymous | reply 290 | May 28, 2025 1:41 PM |
There aren’t any old stars around…how hard is that to understand.
by Anonymous | reply 291 | May 28, 2025 1:44 PM |
R276. Well, given that the winner the previous year was George Chakiris for showing up in West Side Story, when Montgomery Clift should have won for his short, but haunting work in “Judgment at Nuremberg,” I’d say Buono merited at least a nomination the next year. His competition was strong enough that he wasn’t going to win (smart money was in Sharif, but Begley, a longtime character from the Broadway stage, prevailed).
by Anonymous | reply 292 | May 28, 2025 1:50 PM |
That makes little sense.
by Anonymous | reply 293 | May 28, 2025 2:06 PM |
The thing is both Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise are in their 60s and are not considered stars of yesteryear (yet), both are currently starring in A-list summer releases. Jimmy Stewart and Henry Fonda who would have been in their mid 50s in the early 1960s and though not considered 'stars of yesteryear' were getting pretty close to it, while Spencer Tracy WAS the same age as Cruise and Pitt are now and was playing the elder statesman in Judgement at Nuremburg.
by Anonymous | reply 294 | May 28, 2025 5:02 PM |
r294 the culture changed so fast back then. By the 1960s, even stars from the 1950s seemed older and out of date.
by Anonymous | reply 295 | May 28, 2025 5:13 PM |
R294 Spence was the same age in “….Mad, Mad World” as Tommy is in the MI finale! 🫨
by Anonymous | reply 296 | May 28, 2025 5:41 PM |
[quote] My point is - there was a respect for stars of yesteryear in those early Oscar telecasts that we rarely see now.
Faye and Warren set that policy on fire.
by Anonymous | reply 297 | May 28, 2025 7:25 PM |
I was schet up in that wheelschair!!!!
by Anonymous | reply 298 | May 28, 2025 9:00 PM |
I am Team Frank in the fight between Shelley and him. Her speaking voice is so abrasive. And her saying Frank is a no-talent is ridiculous.
by Anonymous | reply 299 | May 28, 2025 11:03 PM |
I love both Frank and Shelley and find the whole incident hilarious and typical for both of them!
by Anonymous | reply 300 | May 29, 2025 12:22 AM |
Loved Shelley's autobiography, no matter who actually wrote it.
by Anonymous | reply 301 | May 29, 2025 12:45 AM |
Frank is a rather good host for the show. He is funny and charming. That opening monologue he has about the Mona Lisa is a tough one to pull off and he nearly makes it work.
by Anonymous | reply 302 | May 29, 2025 1:08 AM |
IIRC (I was only a child at the time!) this Oscar telecast was the first one, or at least one of very few, that Bob Hope didn't emcee.
by Anonymous | reply 303 | May 29, 2025 2:23 AM |
Patty Duke...a national treasure forever.
by Anonymous | reply 304 | May 29, 2025 2:34 AM |
I found her "IT'S TOO HOT!" scene in Dolls was quite well-acted and relatable. I could sympathize as, by then, I had worn my my share of stifling costumes for trick or treat. (thanks Mom. No I don't need a parka and a scarf and a ballaclava in this Devil costume)
by Anonymous | reply 305 | May 29, 2025 2:57 AM |
[quote]R300 I love both Frank and Shelley and find the whole incident hilarious and typical for both of them!
Yes. Two inner city hood rats going for each other’s throats.
I imagine it started because he never took acting seriously and she really did apply herself. The whole dust up is in her first book.
by Anonymous | reply 306 | May 29, 2025 3:08 AM |
I love that Patty defeated all the other heavyweights whom she defeated for the Oscar.
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