Stock market was up 4% today

Un huh

What do you want us to comment on? That this was inevitable because the fundamentals are sound, and the American markets are flexible and were bound to adapt and recover eventually? Barring a banking crisis or a global pandemic, it would be highly unusual for the US to have a protracted recession, even with the tariffs in place.

Only 152 points away from S&P 500 being back to where it was before Inauguration Day, which is a good thing, considering all that has happened.

OP = trump looking for some glory for "solving" a SELF GENERATED problem that never fucking existed in the first place.

This is the kind of shit that makes me embarrassed to be a human being.

I wonder what all the idiots who pulled all their money out of the stock market are thinking now.

illegal market manipulation for nefarious gains

R7 has never invested and has no idea about how stock markets work or react.

I'm buying-up all these Tesla shares for peanuts. Elon is fixin to buy GM!

R5, or at least an American human being.

When you rebuild your neighbor's house after you burn it down do you expect a lot of glory? Geez

And which index was up 4 percent?

Op thinks NASDAQ is the “stock market.” That’s how dumb she is.

OP thinks "the stock market" = the economy.

I remember this from Trump's first term, it's a common fallback for Cons when the stock market is doing moderately well for whatever fleeting moment, they focus on that above all else and say "See? You Libs never say anything when we're doing okay." Meanwhile groceries, housing, heathcare, education and a lot of the other necessities of life are increasingly out of reach for average people who generate the majority of their wealth from their labor, not from investments, but the Cons don't care about actual working class problems.

And, to be clear, the .”stock market” wasn’t up 4 percent

R13, all politicians point to the stock market as a success when it’s up.

People on DL talk about the market because we’re old and the comfort of our retirement depends on it, so you can dial down the hysteria.

[quote] What do you want us to comment on?

Well, when it's down you have a lot to say.

But it’s stupid for any politician to point to market moves and successes. Presidents don’t control the stick market And presidents before Trump have been cautious of boasting about day-to-day movements.

And to reiterate the market was not up 4 percent

Inflation report indicates four-year low in April, but DJIA is down while S&P 500 and NASDAQ are up. The largest chunk of my 401k money is in VOO, so I just look at S&P 500.

I never remember Biden, Obama, Clinton etc. pointing to the stock market to deflect from the mounting economic pressures on the middle class. R15 is a both sides idiot AKA a Trumper troll. Calling the economic crisis facing the poor and working class "hysteria" is a huge tell.

And the S&P 500 was not up 4 percent

Agreed that if we're (headed) back where we were, this has all been a huge, unnecessary, negative distraction.

Gotta love how R15 makes it all about himself and his retirement. Anyone else who's suffering or just anxious about their future is all "hysteria" to R15.

R15 got his. Fuck the rest of us. We need to pipe down because R15 is doing just fine. He doesn't want to hear from anyone doing differently.

This is what we're up against. Old wealthy people hoarding their wealth while laughing at the rest of us. It's so blatant, and fucking disgusting to see.

[quote] Well, when it's down you have a lot to say

Because lately it has been down because a filthy moron has been doing unbelievably stupid things to destroy the market. Why would be impressed that he’s partially undone the damage by retreating from his previous moronic decisions?

And the market’s not up 4 percent.

R18, I am very, very heavy in VOO. (Vanguard's S&P 500 - ETF). This fund, along with VTI (Vanguards - DOW), and FTEC (Fidelity's - Nasdaq), are the gold standards. Been in these funds over 35years. I've taken beatings, sure, but also reaped decent rewards.

R4

So the stock market has rebounded, and the MAGAs relish crowing about it.

But this also means that, in order for the market to rebound, Trump has caved to China and kicked the can down the road on what we were told were absolutely necessary structural changes to the American economy for longterm health and sustainability of America’s place at the top of the heap.

So which is it? It seems like a defeat of the platform on which he ran solely to keep market indices bobbing along.

But the price of my made-in-China caftans and turbans went up 145%, so I’m still falling behind!

R24, I’ve had money in other categories, chasing after whatever was up, but eventually I realized that S&P 500 ETF was the best course, and the low expense rate is good too. I have a little in QQQ, but I hate the risk and it’s low swings. I’ve also been keeping a little cash in the settlement fund in my Roth IRA because the interest rate is good and so I’m in no hurry to move it out.

[quote] I wonder what all the idiots who pulled all their money out of the stock market are thinking now.

It always goes back up, and now it doesn’t take years to do so like it did after 1929.

We haven’t had a drop of the magnitude of1929 since 1929 so I don’t know how you know how it will respond to a drop of that magnitude.

Just to emphasise. The market lost 80 percent of its value from 1929 to 1932. Your prediction that it wouldn’t take years to recover from that is as moronic as everything else you have posted in this thread. No wonder you are impressed by our moron president. Birds of a feather.

R8 not only am I an investor I also worked at the SEC inside the NYSE for a year. The market has been manipulated by Trump and his cronies several times in the last few months,.

Start with this, R8. And then go fuck yourself.

Fair point, we tend to give more attention to disaster and to turns of events that are “bad for Trump”.

The capacity for major trouble in the US economy is far from over, though.

[quote] but DJIA is down while S&P 500 and NASDAQ are up

I see that the DJIA is down because of a drop in UHC’s stock. That’s a problem with using DJIA, that a stock can have such an effect on an index.

Aside from the fact that was a month ago, r32, you're referring to a politician who is just spouting any old rubbish to try to get some political points, regardless of how baseless his claims are. Did Schiff even follow through on this, or has he forgotten he even said it?

Whether you agree with it or not, it's quite clear that Trump's tariff policy is a tactic to get concessions from trade partners, and not some kind of "insider trading" (the term doesn't even apply here) ruse.

[quote] Fair point, we tend to give more attention to disaster and to turns of events that are “bad for Trump”.

We do because Trump causes those disasters. In general, presidents don’t boost or depress stock market returns day-to-day. One big exception to that rule is when the president is a total moron and proposes one of the stupidest and most disastrous economic policies in a century.

[quote] Whether you agree with it or not, it's quite clear that Trump's tariff policy is a tactic to get concessions from trade partners, and not some kind of "insider trading" (the term doesn't even apply here) ruse.

Trump himself is too stupid to know what his stupid policy is intended to do.

R35 back pedalling. It could be political messaging but it could be investigated by the SEC. Mind you, that investigation won't happen because the SEC is corrupt.

Not sure what you mean by back pedalling, r38, but what's Adam Schiff been saying lately? Or has he forgotten all about it?

Tesla stock is definitely being manipulated. Many others likely, too.

How is Tesla stock being manipulated, r40? It's always had wild swings and its stock price movement is fully in keeping with the kind of news coming out now.

You're good R27. Buy quality investments, and stay invested. That's all.

The market was up yesterday because Trump capitulated to China on tariffs. Strictly speaking a 90-day "pause," but it's transparently a climb-down mechanism. As someone put it on Bluesky, in return for nothing from the Chinese we've agreed to not shoot ourselves in the head, but still have the gun aimed at our foot.

Check the markets today, OP. Down again.

The Trump administration's ridiculous "we're imposing tariffs, but we're not!" games are mere market manipulations.

So OP expects us to congratulate Trump for an economy that he's trying hard to wreck for his own personal gain?

And why are there so many right-wingers on this board?

Lax moderation and low cost authentication, r45. For 2 dollars a month DL is practically a steal if you're a right wing troll looking for a new playground for your games.

Not to mention the incredible return on investment, r46.

Not manipulation, R44, but stumbling around not knowing what he's doing.

Scottie B. is a fool. But not as an enormous a fool as Trump. So it's some consolation that Trump is finally listening to his advice over that of the biggest moron, Navarro.

Miller is the biggest (and the most evil) moron

Miller is most evil, yes, but no one is more imbecilic than Peter "Ron Vara" Navarro. Not even Trump.

At the end of the day, I’m back in the black YTD. It’s only 0.1%, but at least above zero.

R44, the markets are up and down every day for various reasons, one of which is a response to political developments. That doesn't mean politicians are manipulating the markets.

OP is a market manipulator. Don't buy ut,

[quote] Don't buy ut,

Is that a stock?

r55 It's not a stock, it's a state.

After setting fire to most of my life savings, I won a scratch card ticket from 7-11! The 200 dollar prize was the single biggest rise in my total net worth ever! And fools still say I don’t know how to manage money!

R53 no, but telling your friends to buy the market 20 minutes before announcing tariff rollbacks is. Fuck off

R53, did you actually read what you wrote? And who are the people who are responsible for political developments like, say, implementing stupid tariffs. Hint: it’s not the fry boy at McDonalds.

Why are people saying the stock market is up? From what I see it's about recovered from the April 2 drop, but still isn't anywhere near where it was at the end of Biden's term. On Monday morning it seemed to rebound when Trump announced a reduction in tariffs on China, but within a half hour or so it leveled off and hasn't regained momentum—I assume all the traders quickly realized that the "deal" didn't get us anything and there were still 30% tariffs on China. Is that plausible?

But Trump was responsible for the high return during the Biden administration!

[Quote] Why are people saying the stock market is up? From what I see it's about recovered from the April 2 drop, but still isn't anywhere near where it was at the end of Biden's term.

It’s still down over 2000 points from its highest point during November of last year. Trump’s inability to manage anything with an adult level of capability has caused huge market fluctuation and that’s not going to change until he’s gone.

I want some sort of forensic accounting research done on stock market manipulation by the Trump administration, and if any sort of gains have been made by members of the Trump organization as a result.

AI hype was mostly responsible for the highs that were hit during the second half of the Biden administration (in the first half of the Biden administration the stock market was plunging), but the DeepSeek paper published in December 2024, indicating its AI models could operate faster and cheaper than American AI models burst the hype bubble and American tech firms have been somewhat under pressure since then.

The stock market hit a peak in November 2024 precisely because of Trump's election, and reached crazy heights in February 2025 due to expectations of the Trump administration, even though he had always signalled his tariff policy. As the policy is refined more, tariffs reduced and as his trade deals are fleshed out then the stock market should become less volatile.

In what way do you think Trump has "manipulated" the stock market, r64? There is no indication of that at all. Aside from simply being shareholders, as many Americans are, in what way do you think Trump organisation members could have benefitted from what are fairly normal market responses to policy announcements?

The right wing trolling here is off the charts lately.

Trump's attack on the Fed and his tariff announcements have created great swings the markets. Great swings are called uncertainty.

We are one announcement away from a recession.

[quote]It’s still down over 2000 points from its highest point during November of last year.

Which stock market are you referring to, r62?

How do you define a recession, r67? It's not really related to "uncertainty".

R69, We have one Trump quarter with a contraction of GDP. If we gave two...

Trump's bullshit handling of the government will have impacts.

[quote] After setting fire to most of my life savings

The typical profligate DLer who has a meltdown over any mention of those who have made good choices and have invested for their retirement wouldn’t have any life savings to do anything with.

[quote] AI hype was mostly responsible for the highs that were hit during the second half of the Biden administration (in the first half of the Biden administration the stock market was plunging), but the DeepSeek paper published in December 2024, indicating its AI models could operate faster and cheaper than American AI models burst the hype bubble and American tech firms have been somewhat under pressure since then.

The stock market hit a peak in November 2024 precisely because of Trump's election, and reached crazy heights in February 2025 due to expectations of the Trump administration, even though he had always signalled his tariff policy. As the policy is refined more, tariffs reduced and as his trade deals are fleshed out then the stock market should become less volatile.

You’re a genius!!!

Keep up the hourly updates, OP- we need you.

Tesla is a toxic brand headed by a Nazi compulsive liar with almost as many obvious addictions as he has nit-so-obvious kids, all their cars have reputations for being expensive lemons, and they can't offload their moronic cybertrucks. Somehow their stock is surging, a month after the sitting President held a live Tesla commercial on the white house lawn.

And we have trolls on this thread claiming this is all normal and the stock price is perfectly in line with market forces.

GTFOOH

IP doesn't have a posting history outside of this thread.

^ OP

Likely a bot R75

[quote] do you think Trump organisation members could have benefitted from what are fairly normal market responses to policy announcements?

Um, yeah. Organization members, administration members, family members, friends, and insiders who get wind of announcements before they happen. Case in point, MTG, not that she'll ever be investigated.

And these announcements have fuck all to do with actual policy.

Which announcements, r78, and what would they be able to do with knowledge of such announcements?

It's not as though Trump even made any surprising announcements. "Liberation Day" had been declared weeks before, his tariff policy was well known, talks with different countries are publicly stated.

R79 you can literally see the market charts spike massively after these announcements, you can also see the 20-40 minutes of insider buying or sell offs each time.

R79 What are you talking about? Both announcements of the 90 day suspensions, in April and May, if acted upon by people with privileged foreknowledge, constitute insider trading. A crime.

Merely coincidence, I'm sure:

"Attorney General Pam Bondi sold between $1 million and $5 million worth of shares of Trump Media the same day that President Donald Trump unveiled bruising new tariffs that caused the stock market to plummet, according to records obtained Wednesday by ProPublica."

It was known before “Liberation Day” that that day was going to be an announcement of tariffs. Anyone who watched the news could have acted upon it before the day. Stock prices dropped, but that was foreseeable.

The trolls here are so obvious.

R79 when and to whom were the reversals announced?

Well, the big reversal on tariffs on China was announced last weekend after the talks in Geneva, when the markets would have been closed, so anybody could have guessed that markets would jump on Monday opening, as they did.

How is that "insider trading", r82? What news that no one else knew about did Bondi have on Trump Media?

The insider trading would, of course, come before any announcement

R87 That its share value - not its worth, because it is inherently a financial black hole - is based entirely on public sentiment wrt Trump. And his actions on tariffs are universally unpopular. Bondi's a tool, but even she could make that prediction.

People can be such idiots. The DJ was 45000 in January, it's still around 42000 today.

That's like saying you lost $12,000 last week at the casino, but this week you won $6,000.

Who is ahead? The house.

The S&P 500 is now 4.1% off of its 52 week high and .82% positive YTD.