What’s the deal with men who date trans women?

Baby Reindeer explained it well. The guy was bisexual, had had abusive and destructive experiences with men and sought out trans women. Nava Mau was cast perfectly because "she" is obviously male, even Helen Keller could tell this is someone who is male, but someone who is so stereotypically effeminate it allowed the guy to be with a "man" who didn't pose a threat.

And some guys just like chicks with dicks.

You can actually fall in love with someone. I had a trans coworker, full transitioned. She was married for many years to her husband. They ended up getting divorced over the same basic things most couples get divorced over - financial issues.

They love cock

They love dick and tits, OP. It’s a fetish.

There’s a pot for every cover OP.

R4 yes and I know a couple of straight men who would never let a man anywhere near their asshole unless the man was doing a health exam and they love to have sex with truly stunning looking MtF trans and they enjoy getting the trannies dick up their ass.

It’s a kink it’s a preference it’s a fetish

I have seen a few so stunningly beautiful that it was very difficult to believe they were people with a penis. My info on the stunning lady-man’s penis is all 2nd hand info.

In so many cultures it seems men think as long as they receive and not give then they arent "gay" . I long ago quit worrying about labels . Its your thing,do what you wanna do !

They're attracted to men and in denial. Like your friend who calls herself vegetarian and you caught her one day biting into a McRibs with lust.

Nope, unless you are speaking from your own personal first hand experience . I know them I totally believe them the only dick other than their own they care about are those attached to model like stunning trannies. And they pay a shit load for the opportunity.. Their red lights are blue in color.

They are all homos, Rose.

Ask Eddie Murphy

I could get 3 titties grafted to my chest I'd still be a man. If these 'straight' men are picking between partners and choosing the option with a dick I got news for you. They ain't straight.

You like what you like. Not my bread, not my circus.

R12 And following your logic if someone likes men who wear women’s sexy nightwear and bra they are not really totally gay men. At least a secret Bi.

And don’t get me started on men who are saying they are going to fuck their little boy. You know what these men will be doing in no time?

But it’s possible it’s just kinK

So I guess post-op transexuals aren't a thing anymore? They all have huge throbbing cocks?

Yes, man made vaginas on males are TOTALLY like female vaginas and straight men can never tell the difference when they're slipping in.

I think there is a difference between dating and just having sex, especially in this scenario.

When a trans lady has bottom surgery does that make anal sex dangerous? If the dude goes at it hammer and tongs might it break through to the new front hole?

Trolldar OP

That’s not the point r16. I am just pointing out that everyone has been saying men date trans for their cocks when there are men dating and marrying post-op trans as well - even if feels nothing like a vagina.

So what would be the reason for that?

[quote]So what would be the reason for that?

Different people are into different things, r20. *That* is the reason. But you're going to keep asking "why", aren't you?

YOU KEEP MY WIFE'S NAME

OUTA YO FUCKING MOUF!

It seems like the trend is away from bottom surgery. Is that correct?

R21, I am just going along with the theme of the thread. The entire thread is a, “why?” Yes people are into different things but the question is WHY are straight men into trans women.

I already know the answer. I was just surprised with everyone who associated trans women’s appeal to having a cock, when that is not always the case. That’s what I popped in to clear up.

I don't think they 'date' them: just fuck buddies. He'd never take Jadin out to a restaurant, or introduce them to his family or colleagues.

I have a controversial theory that everyone starts out gay and has to be conditioned by society to turn straight. Little boys loathe anything girly or sissy. Homophobia helps them get on the straight 'n narrow.

R25 - I agree.

I'd have to think trans are easier to get. The guys get a girlfriend experience, get to fuck an ass, no worries about pregnancy - and many trans are DTF. So no long courtships, drama, where is this relationship going?, etc.

They're like a straight man's cheat code. You want free sex with a hot chick and fuck her in the ass? The only downside is the dick - but for some, that can be a plus or not a big deal.

Sure relationships can happen - but I'm not thinking it's that common. They're being used as sex toys - that's my take on it.

I don't think men who date/fuck trans women are necessarily gay, but rather somewhere in the middle. I am basing this only on the fact that I, a 100%, Kinsey 6 gay, have zero sexual interest in trans women because they register as feminine, even when they have a dick. I'm attracted to masculinity, end of story. A biological male presenting as a woman is a turn-off to me. I would guess that the guys who are into "intact" trans women are somewhere near quintessential bisexuality, where they can get off to both the feminine presentation AND the cock in the same person. Some of them claim to be straight and have a "cock fetish", which I don't fully understand.

A guy I know is a stereotypical scrawny, autistic, nerdy incel. I truly believe he isn't able to score a relationship with a cis woman. His new girlfriend is trans and doesn't even come close to passing. Tall and muscular, in fact. They're the most bizarre couple I've ever seen.

Weird

Beats us.

I saw a couple the other day at Publix of all places and the guy was lumberjack hot and the tranny was obviously a guy,but soft and pretty . Im in N Fla so that gives you an indication of why they stood out. The lumberjack had his hand in her back pocket of her cut offs the entire way into the store . He absolutely looked like someone you did not want to fuck with . She was soft looking,pretty,longish hair,a tad pudgy but still a man . I wont lie,I was seething with envy of her ! He was so fucking hot .

R20 Then why don’t you fuck trans women if it’s so gay?

Men are attracted and obsessed with penis.

Go into any gas station or public bathroom and there are penises drawn everywhere.

Straight porn has blowjobs and penetration which means men enjoy watching penises fuck.

So a chick with a dick being a thing for non-gay men isn’t that far fetched.

Masculinity is a box most men don’t fit in. Straight men can enjoy pegging, prostate play, or watching penetration in porn without being gay—but they’re told otherwise, because anything that challenges dominance is seen as “unmanly.”

Meanwhile, women have more freedom to explore their sexuality without their identity being questioned. Even gay men are judged by how masculine they are. Masculinity isn’t just a label—it’s a performance, and most men fall short of its impossible standards.

The truth is, a lot of men don’t emotionally, physically, or sexually align with the myths of radical masculinity. And until that’s accepted, men will keep repressing what they actually like… just to be seen as “real men.”

Everyone used to casually use the term "Tra**y chasers", but now you can't.

As stated above, a friend of mine is trans. She fully transitioned in her early twenties in the 90s. She’s been a trans woman longer than she was a boy/man. Very pretty,. She was married for eleven years, now divorced. Trans women aren’t just fuck-toys. They do get married. They do have real relationships.

But having gone out with her to bars and clubs, straight guys are attracted to her like bees to honey. Straight guys love trans women. A lot of the guys are uber masculine, hot and like someone who wants them/needs them to be the Man because it validates their femininity. Trans women are usually ultra femme, and really play the female role. And if you are turned on by women you’re gonna be turned of my this exaggerated presentation.

I guess trans women let men live out their “being a man” fantasy.

R32 Why don't you forgive your Papa for transitioning an leave Gay men the fuck alone?

Seeing all the Hunter Schafer photos at the Met Gala, a lot of straight men would fuck him regardless of the cock and balls. Whether a lot of men would fuck him without the hours of make up and styling is another question.

R23 If a boy is given puberty blockers it will result in an undeveloped penis and there will not be enough tissue to invert into an adult sized vagina. I believe this is what happened to Jazz Jennings.

I read OP’s title in Jerry Seinfeld’s voice.

R39 I don’t understand that since they manage to create full size vagina for intersex infants.

Are they R41 ? Nothing is "full size" when you're a baby. Correcting a physical birth defect of the genitals isn't the same as a biological male undergoing a vaginoplasty which requires a penis to be inverted. If an infant is intersex there might not be a penis, so that is probably a different type of surgery.

I would not be surprised to see some level of buyers remorse after having one’s healthy penis removed by choice.

Between a quarter and third of "trans women" experience incontinence after their testicles are removed penis is turned into a vagina.

Not surprising really when you think about the amount of surgical changes in the gusset area.

That’s my understanding R42.

R36 Bingo. In these complicated times straight dudes yearn for simplicity 1955. Trans give it to them.

A problem has arisen especially for those who are aware that there are men out there larping as trans in order to score drugs, money and cock. The current trans movement claims anybody is trans due to their innate identification as the opposite sex, which is evidenced by their willingness to put on women's clothing. But for many of them, it's just a way to score some dick and drugs. This is the same problem that psychology had/has in identifying people who are trans due to gender dysphoria, and people who are trans due to histronic and/or fetishistic impulses.

The notion of men dating trans women suffers from some problems of definition. Namely, "trans women" and "dating." Any one who spends time on dating/fuck apps these days is familiar with the onslaught of men dressed in varying amounts of women's clothing, accessories and makeup, looking for men to have sex with them and to do drugs with them - and not in that order (It's my birThday! Let's geT crazeee!). I'm not sure what to call these people. A sizable portion of these people have gone full sex worker and sell their services as an erstwhile girlfriend (gen only! no freeloaders!)

This is not dating in any traditional sense. It's men hooking up with men/hustlers dressed as women, usually to do meth and other hard drugs, and maybe have sex. Some of men dressing up might say they're trans because it makes them appear more interesting, and it avoids having to explain the more complicated and probably embarrassing reasons why one engages in this behavior.

As for the men hooking up with the cosplayers? They're horny. They're high stimulation types. They like drugs and the rush of taboo situations. These gurls are easy. Repeat, because this is one of the most important points, the gurls are easy. A guy dressing as a woman looking for men is shouting "fuck me" from the rooftops. This is not female-coded behavior. The men are secure enough in their identities - or so deep in their addictions - that they don't care what others think, much like the example told in R31. The man is so masculine that he's beyond reproach in that regard. He's merely horny and kinky.

Sure, some sort of friendship might develop based on these associations, but it rarely rises to the level of an intimate ongoing relationship. And the person dressing as a woman probably only does so when high and horny, or planning to make some money.

R47 Gladys Kravitz in 1984 staring through the curtains of her rent stabilized Christopher St. studio over at the peer, scandalized by the shenanigans.

EVERYONE who dares to disagree with r48 must be some villain, because who else would dare!

The ageism and smearing is all he has in lieu of facts and reason.

I'm gonna continue with my blog here. Of the five trans women I've known personally, four of them were profoundly lonely. They felt nobody understood their issues deeply and did not respect their gender journey. Their dating lives were frustrating because too often men fetishized them, even when claiming they were not. One was in what appeared to be a solid relationship. And that relationship was as traditional and low-key as any other het relationship. Not stereotyped, just ordinary. These people did not assert their sexuality or gender identity to strangers, on apps or elsewhere. They wanted sincere affection and intimacy. They would never pose for butthole selfies wearing striped thigh-high stockings.

Autogynephiles (straight men aroused by the idea of being a woman) are also aroused by other men wearing women’s clothing. So some of the men who are into trannies also want to be trannies themselves, and sometimes you will see trannies dating each other. A lot of tranny chasers have jerked off thinking about themselves as women.

R48 and R49 are both Poo Shoes / D@@@@vida (both previously blocked for making racist statements), being pissy because she doesn't like me because I'm good at identifying her and getting her accounts canceled for TOS violations; and because she hates when she is not the center of attention. Note that she has nothing intelligent to add to the conversation, only more of her cliched ad hominems that she justifies as pointless bitchery. The wild irony of her comments here is that she is the troll who posts nonstop anti-trans content on DL and is only making defending statements in this thread in order to be contrarian. Since PS is not LGBT+ herself, she really has no idea what's going on in the lives of LGBT+ people. I neither condemned nor endorsed any of this behavior. My comments are meant to help people understand the nuances of these groups of people, and to put a more human face on them.

R51= just finishing watching episode 5 of Season 3 White Lotus.

R52, for someone who purports to know so much - SO confidently, you actually know so little. I am r48 and I'm not Poo Shoes, or whoever.

It has nothing to do with ageism. It had everything to do with your banal, armchair psychologist breakdowns, like this:

[quote]The men are secure enough in their identities - or so deep in their addictions - that they don't care what others think, much like the example told in [r31]. The man is so masculine that he's beyond reproach in that regard. He's merely horny and kinky.

and almost offensive descriptions like "And the person dressing as a woman probably only does so when high and horny, or planning to make some money." AS IF you are the prisspot staring out your window, watching trannies turning tricks on the peer in 1984. We have evolved past your "Facts and Reasons..."

I dated two drag queens, 1 in the 80s another in the 90s. For shits and giggles we would go to tranny bars and clubs on the West Side. There is no "deal" of the trans and the men who date them. There are all varieties of both. I will say that the men who date trans are a separate category - I wouldn't say they seem straight, gay, or bi. They are fetishists mostly. But I just know it from the clubs. Apparently some straight guys do fall in love with a trans woman and just go with it. I never spent much time with such men. They are not figures in the murky late night demimondaine.

[quote]R41 I don’t understand that since they manage to create full size vagina for intersex infants.

We don’t talk about Lady Collin Campbell’s “fused labia” enough. Why is she so uptight about discussing that?

Jamie Lee Curtis, too - both in denial about their own trans status.

Nobody’s into that.

R47 has put so much thought into this!