Israel plans to capture all of Gaza

So there it is.

This was the plan all along.

The officials said Israel was in touch with several countries about President Donald Trump's plan to take over Gaza and relocate its population, under what Israel has termed “voluntary emigration" yet which has sparked condemnations from Israel's allies in Europe and the Arab world.

One of the officials said the plan would be implemented gradually. Both officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were discussing military plans.

Aid workers say the plan to centralize aid, rather than delivering it to Palestinians where they are, will forcibly displace people.

The fighting has displaced more than 90% of Gaza’s population, often multiple times, and turned Gaza into an uninhabitable moonscape.

The UN accuses Israel of wanting to control aid as a ‘pressure tactic’

The U.N. said the plan would leave large parts of the population, including the most vulnerable, without supplies. It said the plan “appears designed to reinforce control over life-sustaining items as a pressure tactic – as part of a military strategy.”

The memo says that the U.S. government has voiced clear support for Israel's plan, but it’s unclear who would provide funding for the private military companies or the aid.

If only Hamas just released all the hostages. but I guess Israel won't let them.

This was predictable from the moment 1,200 children, women and men were slaughtered barbarically by Hamas on Oct 7. That was no mere incident. It’s war.

I wonder what Hamas leaders now think of starting that war on October 7. Did it give them the results they wanted?

You’re a naive little thing aren’t you r5?

Hamas are currently torturing and murdering Palestinian civilians protesting against them.

But Palestine needs to be freed from Israel.

maybe, r6?

I will never have sympathy for Israel or the Jewish people, ever again.

They have lost the goodwill of many, many people around the world.

Israel needs its "lebensraum," too.

R9, this is on the Israelis. Many in the Jewish diaspora can no longer support a country based on ultra-nationalism, racism, grievance and revenge. And I don't think that Israel can stop. They are already seizing land in Lebanon and Syria and expanding further into the West Bank.

Apocalypse now

[quote] I will never have sympathy for Israel or the Jewish people, ever again.

Thank you for being honest about how your feelings are toward both Israel and the Jews. As you know, there are many people who blatantly lie, saying they are only anti-Israel and not anti-Jew.

It’s probably all for the best that my visible reply count in this thread leaps from R8 to R12.

R9 stop conflating Jews with Israel. Every Jew I'm friends with is horrified by Israel right now, they aren't Zionists. What you wrote is deeply anti-semitic and not helpful.

Shocking how the world keeps allowing this genocide to unfold and enter a higher gear with so little political pushback.

R16 - are you referring to the genocide of the Uyghurs in China, what's happening in Sudan, or the genocide in Ukraine?

Because what is happening in Gaza right now is not genocide it's war.

R17 what’s happening in Gaza is a genocide. The resurgence of genocide denialism is a depressing development.

Nah R18, it's war.

When Hamas releases the hostages and stops trying to attack Israel the war will end.

It will probably be a lot safer

[quote] It will probably be a lot safer

There's sure an up side to violently herding other people and shipping them into tight spaces!

R19 read this, and if it doesn’t give you pause or make you reconsider, then you are a broken person.

It's absolutely genocide and you've been indoctrinated, R19. The whole world hates Russia, the US and Israel right now. All three are the same: genocidal authoritarian regimes.

R22, you take Amnesty International seriously? Seriously?

[quote]It's absolutely genocide and you've been indoctrinated, [R19]. The whole world hates Russia, the US and Israel right now. All three are the same: genocidal authoritarian regimes.

Where do you stand on Iran, who are providing Russia with the drones to attack Ukraine, and providing Lebanon, Gaza and Yemen the weapons to attack Israel?

Nice whaboutism, R25.

Most people take Amnesty International seriously. How far out of the mainstream are you to post something so moronic? This is like "conservatives" calling the SCLC a hate group - you just give yourself away as another far right ideologue.

I asked where you stood on Iran R24/R26.

Are you a white supremacist? Do you hold Jews and Europeans to a higher level of accountability than Arabs/Muslims?

[quote]When Hamas releases the hostages and stops trying to attack Israel the war will end.

Will it? The goal posts seem to keep moving, so much that I'm beginning to think the goal posts were built on wheels.

[quote]Most people take Amnesty International seriously. How far out of the mainstream are you to post something so moronic? This is like "conservatives" calling the SCLC a hate group - you just give yourself away as another far right ideologue.

No one should take Amnesty seriously after their pro Russia stance following the invasion of Ukraine.

They're a disgraced ideological organisation who can't be trusted.

I fully support it because now the muslims will know how it is to be thrown off a roof.

Any of our genocide deniers can also have a read through this.

R26: “ Nice whaboutism, [R25].”

This whole thread is whataboutism. OP is asking “what about Gaza”.

R33 wow you’re dumb lol.

r34 ok boomer

For years we heard trans people were being "genocided" and "holocausted".

Now the Irish government is trying to redefine what genocide means so "genocide" means what is happening in Gaza.

And what is happening in Gaza is dreadful - war crimes have undoubtedly been committed by the IDF as they have been by Ukrainian forces. But again, Hamas could release the hostages any time and surrender and the fighting would stop. Hamas are instead murdering Palestinian civilians who are protesting against them.

"I will never have sympathy for Israel or the Jewish people, ever again."

I love how people reveal their true colors with comments like this. Hint: You're supposed to disguise your hatred by saying "Zionists", not "the Jewish people". That's the way the smarter anti-Semites do it.

R36 Israel has thousands upon thousands of Palestinians held hostage, and has had for decades, why is it you only care about the Israeli ones 🤔

[quote]thousands of Palestinians held hostage

Yeah they are "hostages" or "political prisoners" in the same way the January 6th people who stormed the Capitol were "hostages" when they were sentenced for their crime.

R39 pffft the way you freaks will twist the truth for your Israeli overlords is truly bizarre to watch. 25000 kids murdered, outlined plans to move 2million people from their homes and never allow them to return and it’s always “no bc the hostages” give me a fucking break.

R40, you don't seem to give the Palestinians any agency. Do you think they are primitive basic sub human species unable to take any responsibility for their actions?

To be honest a lot of people who consider themselves liberal and "decent" look down on Muslims and "aaaaah" at them as if they can't help themselves and don't know any better.

And of course the Jews SHOULD know better. I mean didn't they learn anything from the Holocaust?

In order to argue whether or not this is genocide, we’d first need to define clearly what a genocide is (and what it isn’t).

That alone may be irreconcilable between the two camps of arguing parties here.

R41 of course I do. None of you people seem to give any agency to the Israelis, it’s always “oh the kids are being murdered by Hamas” even though it’s Israeli rockets killing them. Or it’s “human shields” with absolutely zero evidence. Or “unfortunately these things happen in war” when Israeli soldiers shoot children in the chest. The subject matter of this thread is Israel’s outright declaration thay they are going to seize control of the Gaza Strip and forcibly move 2m people from their homes and all you can do is talk about hostages. Bibi had ample opportunity to recover all of the hostages, but he doesn’t want them, bc his plan the whole time has been to wipe the Palestinians in Gaza from the face of the earth and destroy their society. Deal with that.

[quote]Bibi had ample opportunity to recover all of the hostages, but he doesn’t want them,

So why don't THE PALESTINIANS call Bibi's bluff and just release them all?

If Israel have an evil plan, why are THE PALESTINIANS doing everything that is required of them to allow this planned genocide?

I've been reading about billionaires who are behind the gutting of Gaza to build trump's dream of luxury development on the Strip.

Here's one who is being sued for aiding Hamas to spur the upheaval there to enable their redevelopment the area. Masri is also known to be a secret consultant to trump.

It's all about the billionaires enriching themselves at the expense of those without power.

So again R45 - why don't Hamas release the hostages and lay down their arms so these greedy developers have no claim to Gaza?

Maybe because of the payoff from billionaires?

Why do you assume that if Hamas did that, the greedy developers wouldn't simply do exactly what they want to do with the blessing of the Israeli government, r46? Right now, this all still looks like a massive retaliation, which really means a massive revenge, that may never actually be satisfied. That may be justified because of October 7, but there is absolutely no reason to assume that Israel is ready to end all this crap if Hamas would just lay down arms and release hostages. Israel has said what it wants: the total destruction of Hamas and, now apparently, re-occupation of Gaza where the Gazans will be a permanent subject population which will be governed entirely by Israel, mainly by the IDF probably for years. In other words, only the government of Israel will have real agency going forward, no matter who did or did not have it for the past year or 20 years or 100 years or whatever.

R48 - if Hamas released the hostages and laid down their weapons then the UN could move in to Gaza.

Israel would have no justification for being there.

They did pull out of Gaza back in the 00s if you recall.

Genocide is exterminating a race of people for being of that race. This (and Ukraine) is a war. War is ugly. But Israel does all it can to avoid civilian casualties. It issues them warnings. It tries not to target them. But it’s hard to do when they let Hamas set up its infrastructure of death in, around, and below civilian facilities.

Hamas, alone, has the ability to end this tomorrow. Everyone else can fuck off.

R48, I'm not assuming anything. There is no simple explanation for what's happening in Israel, but we're clearly seeing the trump and his cadre of billionaires are intent on grabbing world resources for themselves at the expense of the planet and all who reside here.

This has always been Israel’s aim, of course.

It just now says it’s doing it to get rid of Hamas.

Once it does get rid of Hamas, will Israel suddenly withdraw? Doubtful

[Quote] But Israel does all it can to avoid civilian casualties. It issues them warnings

Yes, it herds Palestinians into camps, bombs everywhere around the camps, and then says it will bomb the camps.

[Quote] why don't Hamas release the hostages and lay down their arms so these greedy developers have no claim to Gaza?

Israel and Hamas agreed that the fighting would stop once Hamas released the hostages on a specific schedule. Hamas did what was agreed to but then Israel just ignored it and started up the bombing again

[Quote] This was predictable from the moment 1,200 children, women and men were slaughtered barbarically by Hamas on Oct 7. That was no mere incident. It’s war.

This started way before Oct 7

It should also be noted that if Israel truly wanted to commit genocide, that is kill every Gazan, this would have all been over a LONG time ago.

The use of the word genocide to describe this would be laughable, were it not so decidedly unfunny.

I'll post this again:

The Israelis won't stop until all the Palestinians are dead.

And we are not only letting them, we are helping them.

I don't find this particularly laughable.

[quote][R40], you don't seem to give the Palestinians any agency. Do you think they are primitive basic sub human species unable to take any responsibility for their actions?

This troll loves to deflect by putting words in the mouths of anyone who criticizes Israel. Just ignore this person, they don't engage in good faith. Also, the projection can be seen from low orbit.

Congratulations, Uncommitted Movement

R57 is a known troll, the same one who tried to claim Texas was a moderate paradise on earth last week.

[quote]Shut the fuck up, Jew

The pro-Palestinian, anti-Israel people always, always, reveal their antisemitism. They can't help themselves and can only hold it in for so long.

[quote] But Israel does all it can to avoid civilian casualties.

This is the most dishonest thing I've maybe ever read.

Indeed. It specifically targets journalists and academics, for one.

Yes, like the journalists and academics who took part in October 7th.

[quote]you don't seem to give the Palestinians any agency. Do you think they are primitive basic sub human species unable to take any responsibility for their actions?

This is what happens when Palestinians exercise their "agency" ...

R66 I think you’ve misunderstood that the pro Palestinian commenters (me included) are not Hamas supporters. You think the IDF are a good force?

They sure know how to make mass murder, mass destruction and genocide fun!

"Israeli soldiers filmed themselves blowing up a building in Gaza as part of a “gender reveal” celebration."

Hamas started it, slaughtered people and took hostages. Their entire doctrine is about destroying Israel and not stopping until they succeed. Why should Israel give them any mercy? At this point, Israel would be insane to do anything but destroy Hamas after being attacked. It would just be a matter of time until the next attempt if they didn't. Unfortunately Hamas also hides amongst the civilian population and/or has tainted their society to the extent that it's hard to differentiate who is hostile and who isn't. But people in Gaza have voted repeatedly for Hamas, and elections have consequences.

R66 doesn't seen to understand, pro Palestinian IS pro Hamas. Palestinians voted for them and support them and their children grow up to be fighters. The doctrine of the two are quite inseparable now. They are for the killing of all Jews. So given the choice of two warring factions, yes, I pick IDF. I'd pick IDF all day long.

Also, how were the leaders of Hezbollah so much easier to take out? Because they go out in the open and DON’T use civilians as shields.

Lots of genocide supporting Zionists in this thread. It's wild. Murderous cult logic.

Anyone who is killing in the name of a god in 2025 is absolutely insane. Period.

[quote]The Israelis won't stop until all the Palestinians are dead.

The Arabs won't stop until all the Jews are dead.

FIFY

Supposedly it was supposed to be a coordinated pogrom, hamas in the south and hezbollah in the north. For reason I am not sure of, hamas didn't stick to the plan and launched their pogrom on October 7th, followed by palestinian civilians who furthered the initial massacre.

Israel's brilliantly cunning beeper bombings did an wonderful job of taking out many in hezbollah.

I don't give a fuck about gazans at this point. Also, if you think all of this is about the eradication of Israel, you are very mistaken. Israel is facing the tip of the spear at this point but the objective of the war, in all its forms, is a global caliphate.

R67 Damn right I think the IDF are a good force. If there is an abuse by a soldier, which FYI there will ALWAYS be in wartime, they will take care of it and punish those that deserve it. Hamas on the other hand TEACHES its soldiers to behave that way and celebrates them for it. Repugnant evil creatures.

So yeah, as R70 says, I'd pick IDF all day long.

R76 the IDF rape prisoners, shoot children in the chest purposefully, throw Palestinians off buildings, attach Palestinians to the front of vehicles and drive them around, murder journalist, shot 15 aid workers in cold blood and buried them in shallow graves, destroyed aid trucks and murdered the aid workers, block food entry to a country experiencing famine etc etc etc. they are perverse, and the fact that you freaks will sign off on this behaviour is truly one of the most bizarre social or cultural things I’ve ever experienced. And let me guess, you’d describe yourself as a “liberal” 😂

[quote]Hamas started it, slaughtered people and took hostages.

This didn't start on Oct 7. I guess all the Palestinians killed by IDF don't matter. You know, because they're Palestinians

Who knew all you had to do was deny there was a genocide happening?

Everything the Israelis claim about the Palestinians is what Israelis do.

Israelis say the Palestinian demand for right of return is impossible. Yet, This is exactly what Jews demanded in the creation if Israeli.

"River to the Sea" means Palestinians want to kill all Jews. It was also the motto of the Israeli Likud Party--so killing all Palestinians is a-ok.

Palestinians support terrorism. Pre-Israeli terrorist groups like Hagana and Irgun also killed lots of people but they're called freedom fighters because they won.

We can agree, surely, that Netanyahu is a great decision maker and is not doing this for corrupt, self-serving reasons. Right?

That's why the corrupt, disgraced Bibi was shoehorned back into power.

From the river to the sea,

Israel entirely

[quote]This has always been Israel’s aim, of course.

No, Israel left Gaza completely in 2005. It forcibly removed Israeli citizens at huge cost, financial and political.

[quote]the IDF rape prisoners,

And the IDF punishes soldiers who rape prisoners. How many Palestinians has Hamas punished for raping Israelis?

[quote] And the IDF punishes soldiers who rape prisoners.

No R85, they were investigated, but not punished. And Israelis were so incensed by the investigation that they rioted and stormed public buildings in support of the rapists. There is something deeply wrong with their society.

Idk if there’s any data on Hamas punishing its members or not. Do you have any?

R84, Israel pulled out the settlers from Gaza (who had no right to be there in the first place) because it was too expensive to protect them. They wanted to focus their efforts on the West Bank. The PA on the West Bank had disarmed and agreed to cooperate with Israel. It got them worse than nothing: the settlers and the soldiers just kept coming and taking more land. Settlers committed many crimes, including murder, and were never even arrested.

[quote]Israel pulled out the settlers from Gaza (who had no right to be there in the first place) because it was too expensive to protect them)

Even if that were true, it still negates the premise that Israel has always wanted to control Gaza. Israel already has had control of Gaza and voluntarily relinquished that control.

R86, in your specific case the IDF might not have punished the perpetrators. But the IDF has indeed punished soldiers for committing rape and other sexual abuses. Can you say the same for Hamas?

[quote] But the IDF has indeed punished soldiers for committing rape and other sexual abuses.

You show me some figures and examples on this R89.

[quote]But the IDF has indeed punished soldiers for committing rape and other sexual abuses.

R89 won't be able to do that because it never happened R90. It also never happened for the 15 paramedics and rescue workers the IDF [bold]deliberately[/bold] killed and then buried to cover it up either.

U cant take another countrys land and it be seen as ok. How can anyone convince themselves thats ok? Its basicly parenting rule number one, dont take whats not yours. We all know this. So, id love to hear the other side of this debate.

[quote]R67 I think you’ve misunderstood that the pro Palestinian commenters (me included) are not Hamas supporters.

But you're "pro" the same religion Hamas and all the other terrorist groups are killing in the name of. Most of the Western world does not support Islamic terrorism or its adherents.

R93 I’m not pro any religion. I’m not a religious person. I’m not big on any form of religious discrimination though, whether it be anti semitism or anti Muslim hate. It’s funny….all of you all harping on about anti semitism, will in the next sentence say something horrible, ignorant and generalized about Muslims and not realize the total hypocrisy lol.

R17 It’s crazy how selective people are with their outrage. Sudan doesn’t bother people one bit.

[quote]U cant take another countrys land and it be seen as ok.

Beyond the "oh, dear," what country? Palestine? It never existed. It was a region that consisted of city-states. Jordan was part of the British Mandate for Palestine and was recognized as a state. The remainder, called Palestine, was partitioned to create Israel and a Palestinian state. The Palestinians never recognized the partition or the right of Israel to exist. Had they, they'd have five times the area they are now bickering about. The Palestinians have been fucking around for 78 years. They will continue to find out.

Israel has as much right to exist as any of the other countries in the area. Period.

[quote]It’s crazy how selective people are with their outrage. Sudan doesn’t bother people one bit.

How do you know? In any case, the fact is that Sudan doesn't receive $26.38 billion in taxpayer-funded aid from the U.S.

I'm going to build hotels there. It's gonna be tremendous!

Muslims have been massacring Jews since mohammade himself. Jews have had enough and rightfully so. Peaceful coexistence is not possible with islam. The Israelis know this, the Hindus and Buddhist knows this and the West better fucking figure it out quick. It is probably too late for Europe. Christians and the left are in complete denial of history and the current situation.

It's so weird the Palestinian support on this board when Palestinians literally hate them and don't want their support. Palestinians will NEVER EVER stop fighting Jews, never - or stop trying to kill them. The same mentality behind people who support Palestine is the same mentality behind people who champion pit bull rescues - it doesn't matter how many children they devour, they still have a place in those people's bleeding hearts.

The West has a collective moral responsibility to prevent the Palestinians from their explicitly state goal of committing genocide against Israeli Jews and to help Israel defend itself against Palestinian terrorism. That does require a large amount of aid to Israel.

R100, the amount of ignorance, indoctrination, and lack of critical thinking is endemic on this thread in most of the supposed educated class. I think many people simply cannot deal with the horrific truth, what is happening globally and the implications of it all. There is a watch list of 45,000 people of interest in the UK, 95% muslims. Qatar and the muslim brotherhood are funding universities and campus organizations across the US. Somehow, the muslim population in the west has exploded astronomically, in the US since 2005. Everyone sees it but refuse to connect the dots.

The war is on but only the Israelis are fighting it. They have no other choice to. The West is under the lethal delusion that it has choices and we can live in peace and goodness with islam. Not possible and every shred of history for the past 1,500 shouts this at us.

I always see muslims outside malls where I live trying to convert people along with the lunatic Christians. I don’t understand how either religion would be appealing

^^^especially when in islam the penalty for leaving islam is death.

R102 I don't know how familiar you are with America, its history and its ways. I wouldn't be too concerned. They aren't going to let any brown man do too much of anything half as scary as what you think might happen. Being a black American myself, I am fully confident in the full powers of America's deep-seated racism to keep a Muslim extremism at bay. And in this case, I am thankful for that. Most good ole boys are just itchin' for a reason. You give 'em a good one and it's off to the races.

R105, I agree with you, but I have a slightly different take. The U.S. is in a different world. We're obsessed with different immigrants and different domestic terrorists. We have a different set of religious clashes here. The entire Western hemisphere has a tiny percentage of the world's Muslims. It's not an issue that's at the top of our list.

"The Western Hemisphere" already have a problem when political parties are factoring in how to appeal to "the Muslim vote".

Does anyone else care? I don’t. These niggas already had 500 chances to stop attacking Israel and they didn’t. Have any of you considered that maybe these niggas don’t DESERVE a country since they don’t know how to act sane?

Miss, with all due respect, I have my own problems. I have no time to accommodate everyone else's,

R109 Especially, ahem, people who repeatedly cause their own problems.

Good let Israel take over Gaza we don't need another Muslim shithole terrorist country in the ME...all you delicate gay pro Palestinian losers need to get over your suicidal empathy for people who want you dead.