Die at 65 or at 80?

Why not just be a little moderate, still enjoy, and then not die in a mere 5 years? Is an entire plate of food actually more delicious than 1/2? Some vegan foods enjoyed occasionally are delicious by the way. Not fighting your hypothetical, OP, but also not buying into this being a binary decision.

You adjust things a little and prove the doc wrong. But R1 has a point. Giving up food and drink you enjoy but not, say, risky sex or summiting Mt Everest? Your hypothetical lives in a world where family and friends, work, money, and any interests other than drinking and the “gourmet lifestyle” have no influence.

BTW, I’d shitcan any doc who used the phrase “gourmet lifestyle” in my presence.

A life of water, a vegan diet, green tea 🍵 light teas is worth 15 years. It’s worth 5 yrs, even 1 year.

For some, no, it just isn't r3. Mere years aren't necessarily worth it. Why would they be?

R3- I only eat Brown rice 🍚 and vegetables 🥗 .

I don't eat meat or drink alcohol now, so no problem.

Eat, drink, be merry and die happy at 65. To lie to 80 you have to take all the joy out of your life. Where's the glory in that?

80 of course.

I’m in similar predicament. I have been told I have to make major lifestyle choices bot my liver and kidneys are enlarged but food and wine are one of my few pleasures in life. I still haven’t decided what path to take

65 is an exceedingly long life.

[quote] BTW, I’d shitcan any doc who used the phrase “gourmet lifestyle” in my presence.

Now, Chrissy, you know what I meant!

More than one whole Cornish game hen drowned in whiskey and cream sauce per day IS a "gourmet lifestyle."

No alcohol and a vegan diet? Fuck that. I'd kick off at 65.

Too late for 65, but please gods, before 80.

OP - Can I please die right now?

'You can live forever if you give up everything that makes you want to live forever.'

-- Woody Allen

I already gave up meat and alcohol. Being a vegan would be challenging but I could do it.

I suspect a lot of the people who can't even comprehend the question are natural puritans who don't particularly like most things anyway, so why not give them up and live longer. And I admit I'm a little jealous of that. If you are a natural puritan and live to be 100 in whatever joy puritans can manage, great. You are, in your way, a lucky human being. For some of us, though, an extra five years or ten years of boredom and abstention just aren't really worth it.

oops, that should be abstinence, not abstention. see, now I'm losing my ability to remember the right word. another reason to leave this vale of tears.

If rich food and alcohol are the primary joys in your life, that sounds like a kinda sad shitty life to me, just saying.

My mom is in her 90s. She takes meds for cholesterol and blood pressure and 10 other things. She never smoked or drank. She can't drive anymore and has to use a walker. Her life is basically medical appointments.

No thanks. I'd rather go at 75.

LOL. Honey. I’m only 57 and I already have to eat that way. I don’t miss alcohol. Taste buds adapt. I love the subtlety of taste in fresh and healthy eating.

OP - enjoy your gourmet, sybaritic lifestyle. Instead of focusing on a long life, concentrate on a "good death" as you define it.

[quote] A “good death” encompasses the notion of honor, self-mastery, and the creation of meaning in an otherwise meaningless universe. A death aligned with one’s chasmic sense of purpose and that serves as the final affirmation of one’s life and self-created values is a death that eclipses mere biological cessation and becomes something noble and lasting. Heidegger’s concept of “being toward death” emphasizes that our awareness of mortality fundamentally shapes our existence and further builds this understanding of a “good death” as one that reflects the culmination of an authentically lived life.

Besides, OP - your doctor can be wrong! I know many people who drank, smoked enormous cigars, ate whatever they wanted, and lived outrageously long lives. The "can't believe he's still alive" set.

R20

[quote] My mom is in her 90s. She takes meds for cholesterol and blood pressure and 10 other things. She never smoked or drank. She can't drive anymore and has to use a walker. Her life is basically medical appointments.

Totally agree, this is not worth it. Given science at the moment, anything past 80 is more trouble than it is worth.

“Vibrant senior” sounds good enough but it’s just 10 more decent years and then, inevitably, you’re sliding toward R20’s mom’s situation. Which makes me want to score a lethal-level dose of fentanyl and keep it in my freezer.

80 years old? Pfft. I'm not planning on dying until I'm 150.

65.... 80....?

Months????

OP is unfamiliar with language structure, logic, and efficient communication.

You're already dead if you're stuck in a rut of considering specific thisses or thats as being the only things that make life worth living.

Tedious OP and thread. Demands we stick to his dumbass hypothetical.

Natural puritan? Try cancer survivor.

Five more years? If I hit it a bit harder, can we close out in two maybe?

Which way is the more painful way to die? If you die at 65 from pancreatitis or a failing liver, and you’re on dialysis for your kidneys because you’re an alcoholic. . . or do you simply die in your sleep? I would take the least painful death!

Meanwhile, you could die from being hit by a car simply crossing the street while you’re leaving.

You don't have to go vegan to be healthy although you do have to get five a day--beans count, potatoes don't. Walk for 30-40 minutes a day. with a weighted vest. Ditch processed meat and soft drinks, and lower intake of red meat and high fat dairy. Decrease alcohol as much as you can.

This is all your doctors will expect you to do. See them regularly.