Columbus Day is back, baby!!!

Sorry, forgot the link.

Isn't that the same day he's attempting to take away the right of all American indigenous citizens?

(I'm not joking).

I knew I saw it somewhere.

He wants us to celebrate another syphilic fool with delusions of grandeur that get people dead?

Hmmmm. It's holiday with no history before the 1960s that was created as result of immigrant-group lobbying and that honors immigrants and a man who wasn't American and never set foot in America and whose greatest achievement was an accident.

The only thing that makes this holiday a great American tradition in Trump's eyes is that many people claim it whitewashes out treatment of brown people. It's the stupidest holiday on the US calendar. It's no surprise it's beloved of our stupidest president.

They’re not sending their best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with them

R5 President Franklin D. Roosevelt designated it as a federal holiday in 1934.

It's been celebrated in America by various groups (you seem to dislike) since the 1800s.

You're talking out your ass and it's not pretty.

I think Italian-Americans have took it on in cities where they have large numbers back in the 70s. There might even be a parade in NYC or Philly, but I've seen less interest in it from anyone during the last 10-15 years.

I think by "rules" he means the U.S. Post Office won't be delivering any mail five days that week instead of four, and public libraries won't be open at all that day instead of the two hours they normally are.

r7 Seek help, and do some reading.

[quote]You're talking out your ass and it's not pretty.

In 1966, Mariano A. Lucca, from Buffalo, New York, founded the National Columbus Day Committee, which lobbied to make Columbus Day a federal holiday.[21] These efforts were successful and legislation to create Columbus Day as a federal holiday was signed by President Lyndon Johnson on June 28, 1968, to be effective beginning in 1971.[22][23]

Attention, people—please understand there is a difference between a holiday, a market holiday, a state holiday and a federal holiday. Some or all may overlap, or not.

Will he be bringing back slavery and lynchings?

r12 Yes, dear - what prompted your odd ramble?

The veneration of Columbus began in the late 1800s as part of the orchestrated campaign by Italians and other Mediterranean immigrants to be seen as 'white' and not as other. It reached its peak in 1892 with the 400th anniversary of the 'discovery' and the Columbian exposition in Chicago.

Aren't eggs still like $800 a carton?

Locations? Does Trump know that Columbus never set foot in what is now the United States of America?

I thought Trump was anti-DEI?

[quote]You're talking out your ass and it's not pretty

The Datalounge will need to see said ass before we can sign on to that assertion.

R10 Are you threatened by facts? Are these words violence?

That is a proclamation of Columbus Day. It does not declare a Columbus Day holiday., which, as the original post.correctiy stated, did not pre-date the 60s What Trump is going on about is the public holiday. If secretary's day becomes a holiday, we will date it from the day or became a holiday, not the first time someone recognized a secretary's day

R14 see R21 that’s what prompted it: different posters’ understanding of “holiday.”

[Quote] Does Trump know that Columbus never set foot in what is now the United States of America?

Are you kidding? Trump probably thinks Columbus is still alive, like he did with Frederick Douglass.

[Quote] If secretary's day becomes a holiday, we will date it from the day or became a holiday, not the first time someone recognized a secretary's day

Sorry but that’s just wrong. The day has been an important day in the workplace for decades. People in discussing it wouldn’t ignore all those decades and claim “it started in 2025.” That would be silly.

Actually this whole argument about when it started is a bit silly. It’s not relevant. What’s relevant here is that Trump is rabble-rousing and full of shit, as usual. Columbus Day doesn’t need to “come back,” and it’s not “in ashes.” It’s a fucking FEDERAL HOLIDAY. It’s fine. It sends its love.

Can we ignore these stupid things he says? It’s a distraction from the dumpster fire that is Trump 2.

If I recall correctly, Mariano Lucca, after obtaining one silly holiday as a sop to Italian-Americans, campaigned at the end of his life for another silly holiday in honor Italian-Americans.

Cool. I hope anti- woke feeds us when store shelves are empty soon.

It's coming. All chains are warning it's days away.

Secretary's Day is not an important day. It won't be unless it becomes a holiday. Probably every day on the calendar has been designated something by multiple interest groups---grandparent's day, etc. They are important to the people who designate them and their special interest groups but not to the general population. Most are viewed as sily.

Even the official holidays aren't important in themselves in most cases. They generally become just another day off to the general public.

This is purported to be Columbus. Can't see his ass but he has very nice hands. He seems to know it too.

I forgot that he made several voyages to the western hemisphere and never stopped believing he had found Asia. The man wasn't too bright. When I was a kid during the Jurassic age a joke going around was "What's the shortest book in the library?" Answer: "The book of Italian heroes".

I read somewhere that Columbus day was first suggested in response to the lynching of 18 Italian-Americans in 1891. The murderers were never punished. At the time Italians were subject to the typical welcome most 'huddled masses yearning to be free' received in Amurica:

"...the worst classes of Europe: Southern Italians and Sicilians...the most idle, vicious, and worthless people among us." He claimed they were "filthy in their persons and homes" and blamed them for the spread of disease, concluding that they were "without courage, honor, truth, pride, religion, or any quality that goes to make a good citizen."[7]

(Mayor of New Orleans where the lynchings took place)

3 ... 2 ... 1 ...

Mt. McKinley!

Isn’t in Columbus Day in October. This cunt is always t trying to deflect and create wedge issues. What the fuck does Columbus/Indigenous people day which is celebrated in October have to do with the economy in April. Oh that’s right. Cause trannies.

Will any journalist from the MSM call him out in this obvious deflection?

[quote]Can we ignore these stupid things he says? It’s a distraction from the dumpster fire that is Trump 2.

Would you be so kind as to provide a list of what is worthy of discussion so that we can behave accordingly?

He was Italian but sailed under the flag of Portugal.

Why would Italians want to honor a traitor?

Portugal??

[Quote] Secretary's Day is not an important day.

Yes it is. Well, assuming you work in an office.

Actually it would become less so if made into a holiday. If everyone is home from work, nobody would be gifting the secretaries or taking them to lunch. It would just be a meaningless day off like Labor Day. What the fuck even is Labor Day? It has zero significance.

Spain, R32, Spain

Italian-Americans don't see him as a traitor, but a famous explorer.

Galileo would be a much more worthy Italian

I have worked in an office for 30 years. I have no clue when secretary's day is or what it has been renamed.

For one thing secretaries are increasingly rare in the age of word processing and email. Possibly the people who have designated assistants do make a big deal if it.

He married Portuguese noblewoman Filipa Moniz Perestrelo, who bore a son, Diego, and was based in Lisbon for several years.

"Will any journalist from the MSM call him out in this obvious deflection?"

It's all part of the con and the grift. It's what Trump does best: lie and steal.

I get emails from "Trump" all the time. He really is peddling that DOGE rebate check thing now, working it for all its worth. "If you give me money now. I promise I will continue to work to make sure you get your 5K rebate check." The implication being no money now, no check later.

R32 you see this is why the left stays taking Ls. Columbus is a hero to Italian-Americans. This new age shit of trying to right the sins of accomplished but flawed human beings is stupid. All holidays would collapse on themselves. Colonialism profoundly changed our world. Are we just going to ignore the great societal achievements made because of human exploration and sea travel.

[Quote] I have worked in an office for 30 years. I have no clue when secretary's day is or what it has been renamed.

Well, maybe the retiree working in the mail room is not included in the celebrations. They don’t wasn’t to put you on the spot by asking you to contribute to the gift.

He was was from Genoa. Italy as we know it wasn’t a thing back then and they certainly were not financing expeditions so he had to look to Spain and Portugal for funding. He ruined his own reputation. He was too brutal even for 1500 standards. He got brought back to Spain in shackles.

[Quote] [R32] you see this is why the left stays taking Ls.

Stays taking? What was your first language?

^^^ they don’t want

R38 and yet he never got past the Canaries, as Portugal refused to pay for his planned exploration. He “sailed” for Spain.

[quote]Well, maybe the retiree working in the mail room is not included in the celebrations. They don’t wasn’t to put you on the spot by asking you to contribute to the gift.

How interesting that you would attempt to defend Secretary's Day by disparaging mailroom employees. Your selective snobbery is remarkable,

Well I’ve never heard of Mailroom Day.

[quote] It's the stupidest holiday on the US calendar.

Excuse me?

[Quote] How interesting that you would attempt to defend Secretary's Day by disparaging mailroom employees.

I’m not “defending” it, I’m explaining why it matters in corporate culture. Anyone who doesn’t know that is obviously in the mailroom.

By the way, mailroom =/= secretaries. You tried.

[quote] I think Italian-Americans have took it on in cities

Oh dear, R8.

[quote]By the way, mailroom =/= secretaries. You tried.

What is this in reference to? What relevance does it have to what I posted.

I am well aware it has a place in corporate culture. I just have no idea when it is or how it has been renamed.

A lot of things may have changed since you were in the office. You can have quite a senior position and not have a secretary. We don't use dictation or postal mail very much anymore.

You didn't try. But, then, you coudln't.

Gotta confess I think it's funny how Dump gets back from Italy and immediately babbles about restoring Columbus Day. He'll forget about the whole thing in a few days.

"Hey, I was just in Italy and it's a very good place, lots of very fine people, good buildings, the Pope is there, the new one hasn't been picked yet, very respectful funeral, I was in the front so I could see everything up close, it was very good. I want to put Columbus Day back on the calendar, it should never have been destroyed, that's terrible, an insult to the Italian people. Some very fine Italians in this country too."

Excellent point^. I’m sure there was some leading Italian-American supporter on board AF One to urge him on this point.

R52 Right, which makes me sometimes wonder if Trump is autistic too. Maybe it’s these drugs making these people brains seem like high functioning autistics.

None of the Italian-Americans I know could give a shit about Columbus Day. They don't celebrate it or take the day off of work or anything like that.

Irish-Americans still love St. Patrick's Day because it's an excuse to get drunk all day but Italian-Americans are just "whatever" about Columbus Day, from my experience.

Well, there’s that parade in Manhattan every October that still gets *a lot* of local tv coverage. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[quote] None of the Italian-Americans I know could give a shit about Columbus Day.

That talk can get you killed.

r57 they're all fully assimilated and 100% American, at least the ones I know. They're indistinguishable from other white people.

Thanks for including “white” —just to clarify things, eh?

That Sopranos episode was probably Dump's favorite. The goombahs cracked heads at the anti-Columbus protest.

Well r59 WTF else would you say? They're just like any other group of whites. Everybody's 100% American now.

To think that was all 20 years ago. Wow. The passage of time.

R61 it was my sarcasm, in the context of DL’s historic “issues.” Read the room!

I can't stop.

Just another example of our patriotic president focused on the wellbeing of the American people 24/7. Look at how much greatness has happened within 100 days of him taking office.

Luigi for Grand Marshal!

r22 A post after that prompted something? is r12 psychic?

You’re fucked up —get some sleep^

All of Trump’s cultural references are from the ‘60s, ‘70s, ‘80s, and he still thinks Italian American families are all just like they were depicted in “The Godfather” and “The Sopranos.”

It’s like the last 20 years of change have never happened for him, nor to his mind have they happened for his followers.

In my liberal Northeast city everyone wants the name changed to Indigenous People/First Nations/Native American Day. Like all of Trump’s idiocy, there is no “taking back” or “reclaiming” Columbus Day — that is the name of the federal holiday. Local naming can be seen, but it’s not the name of the holiday.

My problem (if you will) is that by calling it Indigenous People/First Nations/Native American Day you are saying that October 12 was the day that Americans’ existence was validated by being seen by Europeans, as if they weren’t here for 20,000 years already.

As posters above have explained, Columbus Day was a response to anti-Italian violence and general bigotry in a period when there hadn't been a lot of Italian-Americans around yet. He was the most visible Italian with a connection to America, and a notable one—"Columbia" had already been a poetic term for America since the 1700s. Nowadays there have been lots of distinguished Italian-Americans, and instead of this barbaric continent-thief we could recognize their achievements by naming a holiday for, e.g., Anne Bancroft, Tony Bennett, or Luigi Mangione.

Also coming back, hot squaws in margarine commercials.

Motherfucker can issue all the executive orders his tiny hands can sign, it's still Indigenous Peoples Day and the Gulf of Mexico, and the Tuskegee Airmen still rule.

R69 Right. I said that too. There are like so many ways the democrats could have had a running gag about this fool. But they just constantly allowed him to bully them.

Just like the Village People obsession. That shit is so outdated and corny. We should have frat boys laughing at him not with him.

R70 really? “In my liberal Northeast city everyone wants the name changed to Indigenous People/First Nations/Native American Day.”

Your town is at 30-40 years behind the times, for liberal towns.

R73 No baby sometimes things you don't like are real. Columbus Day is a real federal holiday. Nothing has changed.

R76 your right but many states if not most, now call it Columbus/Indigenous People D which is almost as wild as when all the southern states celebrated King/Robert E. Lee Day. ALMOST.

I love Columbus Day 🛳️ 🇮🇹 🌎

R77 Most states do not observe Indigenous Peoples Day.

R79 oh ok. Guess I have just always lived in blue states lol.

R75, to clarify, many have indeed been referring to it as such for 30 years or so but it’s always just sort of there without anything overtly changing (with exceptions here and there).

Why can't it be called Italian Day or something like that?

I know Home Alone was a big hit but is the director really worthy of a federal holiday?

R80 Columbus Day is usually celebrated in blue states with Italian populations.

States that have traditionally observed Columbus Day include:

Northeastern states:

New York

Massachusetts

Connecticut

Rhode Island

New Jersey

Pennsylvania

Midwestern states:

Illinois

Ohio

Michigan

Wisconsin

Indiana

Western states:

Colorado (the first state to make it an official holiday in 1907)

California (although it's now less formally observed)

Nevada (observed but not as a state holiday)

Arizona (originally observed but now also recognizes Indigenous Peoples' Day alongside)

Southern states:

Alabama (observes both Columbus Day and American Indian Heritage Day)

Georgia

Louisiana

Florida (widely celebrated, especially in Italian-American communities)

Other states:

Maryland

Virginia

Delaware

What's the difference between St. Patrick's Day and Martin Luther King Day?

On St. Patrick's Day everybody wants to be Irish.

I was beginning to wonder if Columbus Day only happened in NY and NJ. Thanks 🙏 r84. I’m from NJ. Mi piacciono gli Italiani.

I would not mind, as someone suggested upthread, celebrating the birthday of Galileo, or DaVinci. Or Carmela Soprano, for that matter. But this is what we’ve got.

And yes, Free Luigi.

Wasnt it still a holiday in many states?

It’s a national holiday—jeezus you people are fucked in the head.

The flyover mouth breathers LOVE this shit.

This thread is a textbook case in how people simply talk past each other.

Which to be fair, is an Italian American trait, since it is a universal human one.

From the OP’s linked article - “Though Mr. Trump has long objected to telling the country's history through a lens of diversity and oppression, the holiday he seeks to restore to its primacy was added to the calendar as a nod to the country's growing diversity.

Columbus' expeditions never touched the North American continent, let alone any land that is now part of the United States. But the native of Genoa became increasingly commemorated in the United States as Italian immigrants flocked to the country and politicians sought to win their support.

Indeed, it was the lynching of 11 Italian-American immigrants in New Orleans in 1891 that led to the first Columbus Day celebration in the United States, led the following year by President Benjamin Harrison. President Franklin D. Roosevelt designated Columbus Day as a national holiday in 1934.

He’s such a fucking idiot. All of this would be laughable if he wasn’t hell bent on destroying the world.

But…as an Italian American—thank you, President Trump!

Columbus was so bad Ferdinand and Isabella had this man removed from power and imprisoned.

Isabella explicitly said the Indians were not to be mistreated. This fucker was raping them, letting his men saw them in half, killing babies, condoning child brides and pretty much the worst evils imaginable.

He did not set one foot in any part of land known as The USA.

So get this. Columbus was pretty shitty in 1492 to the Taino people of Hispaniola. He leaves 39 men on the island and goes to Spain. He returns a year later and finds them all dead and then he just goes off. He says they were dead because Indian payback.

Then he sends 500 Taino people to Spain as slaves and evidence. Isabella is like yo wtf Columbus? These are my subjects, don't do them like that. The Spanish colonizers complain that Columbus is shit boss from hell, starvation, cruel all that, so Isabella sends...

Francisco de Bobadilla on a misstro observe his ass (along back with the 500 Taino). He arrests Columbus for abuses but the damage is done, the Indian way of living is lost, the Europeans took the land and continued to enslave the people on encomiendas.

Thank you for your 4th grade-level book report.

[quote] letting his men saw them in half

Even I draw the line there. Right there, over the stomach.

R88 right I thought everyone understood that. I think people are pointing out states where it’s only Columbia day not the shared Columbus/indigenous people day. Many states share the holidays at the state level.

Francisco de Bobadilla is my new Grindr name.

96 making zero sense at this hour

Can you imagine the mountains of rage mail the Repug Congressmen, etc. were getting? Now that Turd is in office he has to fulfill all their demands to end DEI, Woke, LGBTQ+, Illegals...

I hope Veterans Day comes back too! I’ve missed it so much!!

Now I can say Merry Christmas and Happy Columbus Day. God bless you, Donald Trump!

Breaking— Trump to bring back Kwanza

R5 wow your first paragraph is spot on. So very true when you think about it.

R6 😂. Very clever.

The Simpson's had their own variation.

R7 you are mistaken. Noticed I used the word mistaken and not lying because no way you would be lying about something that we can all quickly google for ourselves.

I really hope Trump brings back New Year’s Day!! The libs have tried so hard to kill it.

R89 Them crazy eye-talians.

Turtle Island Indigenous People: Fighting Illegal Immigration Since 1492

And lol, r6.

All laughter aside, of course the now known as North American continent wasn't going to be geographically isolated in perpetuity and I write this a card-carrying, official, tribally recognized member of my Native American tribe.

I observe, however, how Trumpers love to throw around slurs on "political correctness" and "woke". They've supported those notions with "I'm being cancelled because nobody wants to hear the truth about Blacks, Gays, trans...".

And yet, suddenly, it disturbs Trumper's delicate sensibilities to accept facts, accuracy and truth about American history.

Then it's "Clear the shelves of books! How dare anybody disturb my comfortable, fairy-tale "American Exceptionalism" devoid-of-truth-and-facts "feel good" notions of America?".

And then Trumpers wonder why I look down on them. Guess what. I do. You have it coming.

R106 Put the pipe down, babe.

R110 That person comment was not factual. It’s not heard to Google when Columbus Day became a federal holiday. It was in 1971 by Lyndon B Johnson.

What about "Fuck Kreezmis" Day?