Braveheart (1995)

Highly homophobic scene

I remember it being extremely violent and gory. And it was before Mel Gibson revealed himself as a disgusting person. I have no interest whatsoever in seeing him in anything.

Extremely homophobic and historically wrong.

The homophobic scene being referenced has him throwing a 12 year old (if they actually followed a historical timeline, and that was thrown out the window, too) out a window ... wow, that's really courageous.

Historically, this is a typical Hollywood giant pile of steaming turds.

I enjoyed the Mel Gibson disembowelment scene. So light and heartwarming.

Not buying or watching any movies from this anti-semitic homophobe.

I thought Paul Scofield was in this

He didn’t throw the gay lover of the kings son out of the window. It was Edward Longshanks himself. And it never happened.

Mel Gibson made the whole film just so he could throw a fag out the window.

Well, it does seem like that.

The audience where I saw it cheered the homo-defenestration. Happily and loudly.

Stewart Lee on the complete and utter horseshit that is Braveheart.

I was rooting for Sense and Sensibility to win Best Picture that year. I've never watched Braveheart and don't intend to.

My dad liked historical movies and he liked Mel Gibson so we watched Braveheart a couple of times. Then he died. it was the cancer. Anyway, the homophobic scene being referred to was King Edward the Longshanks' son, who married some French Princess. He was Gay and very effeminate and his father was a cruel POS bastard. So at one point, the King had to leave town for a while and left his son in charge. While his son was in charge, William Wallace, (Braveheart) sacked the city of York, and killed the King's nephew, sent his head back to the king in a basket. In the movie, the king arrives back from his trip in time to receive this gift and boy was he pissed off. He was already upset because Wallace had sacked York, and his son was telling him what measures he had already taken to respond. His son had a "military adviser" who was actually his lover, and also obviously Gay. So the two of them were telling the king what measures they were taking to go after Wallace. And the King, pretending to listen to the "Military Adviser" walked with him to the window high up in the castle and then flung him out of it! Splat! His son was distraught and took out his knife planning to attack Papa, but Papa liiterally kicked the shit out of him. That is, I believe the scene your referring to. But Mel Gibson was not involved. He was sacking York. In real life the son was Gay and had a companion who was tortured and murdered. Don't remember names.

When I was a kid and saw it it seemed scary and real. I felt it more.

I rewatched it again recently and it was so boring I couldn't finish it. It seemed stupid.

This scene was horrifying to me and people found it funny.

r14 Oh, my. You don't see teef like that in (big) movies anymore.

[quote]The audience where I saw it cheered the homo-defenestration. Happily and loudly.

Well if his name was George Santos I would too.

So this movie plus The Passion of the Christ means Mel likes playing the martyr? I think he directed both, too.

A lot of straight guys I talked to back when that movie came out LOVED that movie. Many went dressed up as Mel for Halloween. I never got the fascination.

The lower-level straight guys, i.e. the rubes, love this exhilarating balls to the wall fuck yeah displays of (toxic) masculinity. You can see it at soccer games or when riots take off, it's the same energy. In war often, too.

You a bigoted, homophobe too, OP?

The Best Actress category at the Oscars that year was really something.

R21. I would have given it to Elisabeth Shue

Homophobic shite.

Braveheart beat out Babe for Best Picture.

Well I hear they're trying to rehabilitate Nixons' legacy.

Why not Mel and this gory work of fiction.

My go-to choice for worst Best Picture. At least there is nothing actually offensive about, oh, say. The Greatest Show on Earth or Cavalcade (and I suppose even Crash means well).

I can’t defend the narrative, but James Horner’s score is magnificent, and was frankly robbed of an Oscar.

Around the time this was out, there as a similar-type movie i much more preferred -- Rob Roy, starring Liam Neeson snd Jessica Lange. Highly recommended.

Neeson in a period-appropriate kilt, unlike Gibson.

At the peak of his hotness, too.

[quote]Mel Gibson was not involved. He was sacking York.

R12 - Mel Gibson as the character William Wallace was not involved, but Mel Gibson as the producer and director of the movie was completely involved.

That entire scene you described from the movie was fabricated and not historically based, and clearly was designed solely to make fun of this fictional effeminate prince.

And for that you have Mel Gibson to thank.

I don't think guys laughed in theatre because of homophobia, they laughed because it's a bonkers scene, straight out of Monty Python. And I don't mean that in a good way, it obviously should have been cut because it's tonally so jarring. But Gibson is one crazy mofo, so it tracks that it was kept in.

One of the most deranged best pic wins ever (over Apollo 13, Babe, Sense and Sensibility, and the Postman, all superior films over this tripe). Paramount released it multiple times at theaters in 1995, and still couldn’t make it a hit. I can understand, to a degree, Gibson winning for director, since the Academy has a hard on for actors turned directors, but the film itself winning is appalling. Hell, even the golden globes, went with Sense and Sensibility, over this, for their best pic. Ron Howard was left out of the director line up. Apollo 13, especially, seemed to be the type of film, custom made to win best pic. I chalk it up to lazy voters who check marked Gibson and Braveheart in tandem too much on their ballots.

It’s absurd tosh.

Sir William Wallace was a noblemen and would have acted that way. He would have worn full mail armour and a surcoat. It’s also pretty likely he would have fought on a horse that would have (possibly) had a caparison. He may have worn a great helm but as a commander, may have worn a steel cap with mail coif (leaving his face visible).

He wouldn’t have dressed like he was cruising a goth club.

The “Battle of Stirling Bridge,” so called because it was fought at a bridge, isn’t fought at a bridge in the movie. The bridge was the key to the battle. The English were squeezing their army across a very narrow bridge. When about a quarter of their army was across, the Scottish spearmen attacked that portion and destroyed it. The movie battle has no resemblance to the real battle at all.

It’s not history, it’s Mel-story, just like “The Patriot.”

[quote]It’s not history, it’s Mel-story, just like “The Patriot.”

He takes that even further in The Passion of The Christ, which includes stuff not in the gospels, but also "visions" of the passion hallucinated by various saints in later centuries, canonical only in the Catholic Church.

Truthfully, the online film elite will scoff, but it's one of my favorite movies. Yes I fucking know 80% is bullshit. I DON'T CARE. It's a great story with a very rootable hero, a terrible villain, flawed but ultimately good characters with good character arcs like Robert the Bruce, 2 love stories, a greatly satisfying, if bittersweet ending, beautiful music and great landscapes. Ultimately it really is just a really well written epic.

As far as the homophobia, it could be there, or not. The only gay character in the film being a bit of a prick might be agenda driven, or it might not. To me, it's not necessarily so, especially in a film full of people much worse than he.

But again, it's Mel Gibson so who knows.

I'm sorry but people are saying the homophobia is the king throwing his son's gay lover out the window? Wasn't that more about showing the king as a ruthless evil piece of shit?

I always considered it more homophobic how the prince was written, just a rather ineffectual prick,and suck up. Not that window scene. The king was the ultimate villain in it, after all.

[Quote] He takes that even further in The Passion of The Christ, which includes stuff not in the gospels, but also "visions" of the passion hallucinated by various saints in later centuries, canonical only in the Catholic Church.

I actually don’t mind that. It’s not as if the gospels are rigorously footnoted and peer reviewed. They’re probably mostly fable too.

All the apocryphal Catholic stuff at least makes for a more interesting story.

It does make it for more interesting, it just makes non-Catholics cringe, that's all.

[quote]It’s not as if the gospels are rigorously footnoted and peer reviewed.

Literally none of the ancient sources are, but we still treat most of it as history because it's the best we have. And the fact that we have three separate accounts – John's is too different, so I'm leaving it out – only a couple of decades later is as good as an eyewitness account for that time period.

I always took the throwing out the window scene to show just how awful the King Longshanks was. I saw the movie in a theater too and everyone gasped because it is so out of nowhere.

Mel Gibson's support for Donald Trump is more offensive to me than that scene in Braveheart.

The character of Edward Longshanks in Mel's movie was villainous. He was brutal. He was the epitome of toxic masculinity. So having a "gentle" son was an affront to him and throwing that guy out the window was an expression of his brutality. I didn't look at it as an expression of Mel's homophobia. Now I would probably agree that it was, but at the time I saw it as a young 13 yr old I just saw it as the King being a cruel, vicious bastard. The fact is his son and his military adviser were competent in doing what they thought was needed to respond to the situation, but they lacked the cunning and ruthlessness of the King.

Ben Willbond's a much better William Wallace.

Mel Gibson looked ridiculous.

Hate hate hate hate hate hate hate this foul movie.

Did not want it to win Best Picture. Not sure how that even happened, even now. I would have voted for BABE.

It certainly gets my vote for WORST BEST PICTURE ever.

It seemed like the king didn't like the boyfriend, had enough of him, and threw him out the window.

Seconded on the score

Mel Gibson wears a dress in this movie. Wouldn't it be considered "woke" by today's standards?