The Funeral of Pope Francis

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Melanoma looks like a Black Widow. How will TFG last 3 hours at the service?

An Olympic style French alphabetical seating plan gives Argentina and Italy pole position, at the front, Etats-Uni in the middle, Ukraine bringing up the rear.

[quote] Melanoma looks like a Black Widow. How will TFG last 3 hours at the service?

I worry for Prince William’s shining pate.

At John Paul II’s funeral, Prince Charles was forced to shake hands with Catholic Robert Mugabe when he was offered a Sign Of Peace.

You just know Trump will wave off his seatmates.

I wonder if the Pope's funeral will get as much TV viewership as the Queen's funeral?

The outfits are better than the Queen's funeral.

Don’t know why it would r6, this is the third Papal funeral in recent memory.

It’s one of the few opportunities women have into wear a lace mantilla in modern life.

Trump wore a blue suit.

Are we surprised r10?

R4, I wish a lightening bolt to smite TFG. Work shy Willie will be fine.

And, of course, that fucker Trump is breaking protocol by wearing blue to a funeral. What a fat, slobby pig. Americans are disgusting.

How many times will he fall asleep?

Is he ever truly awake?

I hope Francis is canonized, but interestingly, that means there will be two Saint Francises. And the original Siant Francis is among the most popular of Catholics saints.

I guess he could be Saint Francis of Flores or Saint Francis of Buenos Aires.

There was one shot on CNN of the regular priests at the funeral in the hot sun with all manner of hats - a baseball cap, a bucket hat, one of those Chinese communist/baker boy style hats (minus red star) and a purple durag.

R12 TFG = The Fat Guy?

I use Fat Orange Fuck, myself.

Let's get this fucking over with already and get to the juicy conclave, please.

I could swear a couple of times I saw a gay pride flag way in the background to left of the Argentinian flag.

I wonder how many popes I have left in me. Will the upcoming one be my last one?

So far the brain trust commentating on NBC have referred to Former President Trump being in attendance, mistook the Popemobile for a custom-built pickup truck and the enormous Monument to Victor Emmanuel II for the Italian Supreme Court building.

R22 Shades of Channel 9 in Australia mistaking the King of Tonga for Mohammed Al Fayed at a British Royal Wedding.

There was a Zelenskyy/Trump meeting at St Peter’s. An excitable Argentinian journalist on CNN insisted Trump was “in confession”.

[quote]Pope Francis will be the first pontiff in more than a century to be buried outside the Vatican Grottoes.

r23 And here I thought Benedict was a special snowflake.

[quote]Pope Francis told Mackrikas, who is the coadjutor archpriest of the Basilica of St. Mary Major, that the Virgin Mary appeared before him, requesting that he be laid to rest in her church.

Fucking nuts, I thought Francis was more grounded than that.

Some of those pallbearers look like they're really struggling.

Comments on tacky T-Rump's blue suit. Didn't at least one of his aids know better?

[quote]one of his aids

Oh, dear!

[quote] Fucking nuts, I thought Francis was more grounded than that.

He was a literal Catholic r26. I mean, it comes with the territory.

What is it with Catholics and Mary, anyway? Is it a suppressed homo thing? Like our diva worship?

Sunbathing.

Shit, Dump is getting huge

r32 Mussolini's back in Rome.

r26 - he had to give an acceptable cover story for wanting to be buried away from the Basilica and centuries of crooked popes.

[quote]I wonder how many popes I have left in me.

You haven't checked back there recently?

His posture was never good, but it's gone to absolute hell. Making matters worse, he was right nearby the always dapper Felipe of Spain.

Why is that so interesting? I’m named after one of a dozen or more saints who share the same well-known first name.

For R16^

My mom's always been more into the magical aspects of the Bible, so I'm named after one of the magi. 😇🤡

You just know Dump is taking note of all those in attendance, the pageantry, etc and expecting his own funeral to be that same way. HUGE!

R38 - St. Francis of Assisi is very is probably the most beloved saint.

Javier Millei looks like an idiot, as usual.

Kwisatz, Haderach or Abednego, r40?

"St. Francis" is synonymous with "St. Francis of Assisi" for Catholics.

Other saints with this name are usually distinguished in some way, eg, "St. Francis de Sales," "St. Francis Xavier"

I was simply musing on how Pope Francis might be distinguished

^ scratch the "very" at r42.

r41 Doubt it, necrotic narcissists like him don't tend to ponder their own mortality very often (if at all) because they just can't imagine a world without them.

Trump’s funeral plan was established at his first term. Every president pre-plans.

I'll admit that's a striking pic of Trump and Zelensky, made all the more so because Trump needs it more than Zelensky.

Somehow, despite the physical reality that Zelensky is slighter than Trump, still, he makes Trump look small.

I'm sure Mussolini had pre-plans too

R45 there are many, many saints named Francis already …there’s nothing new under the sun.

Is it true that Biden and Obama were seated in the first row and Dump in the 3rd?

Canonised popes are referred to as "Saint Pope [insert papal name]". There is no conflict here.

St. Francis of Assisi was the first Catholic saint named "Francis," and by far the most famous.

r52 You can clearly see in the photo at r28 that that was not the case.

I briefly attended St Francis Borgia School.

R49, Zelenskyy looks so dignified compared to that other thing. And the fact he couldn’t even put on a black tie. The utter disrespect. He disgusts me.

A navy suit is fine, right? It’s just that Trump’s suit is a too bright, especially with his ridiculous hair?

I’m under the impression that men wearing black to a funeral is a more recent thing (as opposed to the second half of the 21st century) and arose as more and more men just didn’t have an appropriate dark suit and as more men had cheap fast fashion-type suits that came in black. Did men own black suits in 1990 if they weren’t undertakers or if they weren’t tuxedos or other evening wear? I

Pre WWII, did men wear black suits in daytime? It’s hard to tell from black and white photos.

A black tie would be the very least or in days when people were too poor to own things like that a black arm band. Trump’s suit should have been dark navy at the very least but if not he could have put on a black or very dark grey tie.

Very true R37. The Spanish King is one of the best dressed men in the world.

During his first term Donald was always either ditching funerals and memorial services he should have attended or looking very jittery at them. The fact that he's started showing up at them in his second term is either a measure of how desperate he is for attention after four years out of office or that he's far enough into dementia that his death phobia isn't bothering him so much.

[quote] Did men own black suits in 1990 if they weren’t undertakers or if they weren’t tuxedos or other evening wear?

People would be more likely to own a black suit than a tuxedo.

r58 It goes back to the Middle Ages for royalty and aristocracy, which the assembled here could count as being. As for the regular folk, they needed to wait for the ready-to-wear clothing of the 19th century to be able to afford special attire just for funerals.

I’m willing to be wrong, but I think there is a generational divide in the opinions on this. I think for Trump’s generation what he is wearing is appropriate except his suit isn’t dark enough. It looks like it’s not even in the navy range. And it seems like he tried to match the suit with a solid tie (appropriate), but since the suit is too light the tie is light and comes off as a little shiny, which is not good.

My father would never have worn a black tie to a funeral, because who owns a black tie? That would have been cos-playing, especially for a a non-family member.

Don’t get me wrong, I think Trump is inappropriately dressed. I just think the issue is the brightness of the suit, not anything else.

R58

Sorry, R63, but what goes back to the Middle Ages?

[quote] Trump’s suit should have been dark navy at the very least but if not he could have put on a black or very dark grey tie.

Exactly. All dignitaries own a black suit. It’s part of the job. Journalists who travel will often have a dark tie packed in their luggage for propriety; ditto a black top for women. My best friend works for News UK; since the late Queen turned 90 he kept a black suit shoved in the boot of his car. They knew they would be criticised for posting copy in a loud pink shirt so they all knew to be prepared.

For regular folks a sombre dark blue or charcoal suit with a dark or black tie is fine at a formal, religious ceremony. This was a formal, religious ceremony. Trump didn’t wear one because he’s a shit.

At first I thought it was an orangutan hunched over and filling up that chair interacting with Zelenskyy.

r65 Men wearing black for funerals...

Obama and Clinton both wore blue suits with blue ties to John McCain’s funeral.

r69 Al Gore, too. So much for that talking point.

Word for word with r66.

John McCain wasn't the bishop of Rome and the head of the worldwide Catholic Church, r69.

Trump is pathological. He can't even restrain his attention addiction at a Pope's funeral.

Trump hated Pope Francis but that isn't stopping him from riding his dead coattails. The least that POS Trump could've done is look appropriate by wearing black.

Where did they stick Prince William in the seating chart? I'm trying to catch up but haven't spotted him yet.

[quote] I’m willing to be wrong, but I think there is a generational divide in the opinions

I think it's even more cultural than generational. Catholics, but particularly Italians wear black.

If they had actually lived together, stayed in the same room or were on speaking terms, as a Catholic, Melania surely would have told him to get changed.

[quote]John McCain wasn't the bishop of Rome and the head of the worldwide Catholic Church

It's still a bit weird to wear a blue suit to a funeral, though. Like, just put on a black one. They're fucking loaded, so I know they have one in the closet somewhere. There's just no excuse other than intentionally wanting to stand out.

Again, I’m not arguing that he looks good or appropriate. The suit is too light. I’m arguing the hypothetical that a navy suit would have been OK. There are other men there in navy.

This is the POPE for fuck sake, navy would NOT have been OK!

What color has Dump worn to other important funerals?

The most recent was Jimmy Carter's funeral, R77.

Not sure what he wore to that event.

Somebody should have told prince William.

And they also could have let Joe Biden know!

This is how you dress for a papal funeral.

Okay, enough of this morbid foolishness now. When's the conclave start, bitches?

How you homos like da black drass? I imagine I wear it for Donolt’s funeral when I poot on, or Putin!! Ha ha I make funny!

R53. Really?!

r84 He was the first (apocryphal) pope and an actual disciple of Jesus.

So 53 is in fact wrong. Thank you.

Melanoma looks like she’s due for another face lift. Prepare for more kidney surgery, folks.

r86 Not wrong, Peter is literally the only exception. And he is the exception because he was one of the apostles.

He was also never actually the pope, he's only traditionally claimed as such.

The things you bitches argue about!

John the XXIII is St. John the XIII, not St. Pope John the XXIII.

There are dozens of parish churches named St.John the XXIII

Why was that fat orange tub of shit even there? And honestly, the fact that he doesn’t go up in flames when he enters a church is proof that the sky fairy isn’t real.

R88 the Vatican itself emphatically states he was the first pope. Keep digging …

r88 Interesting. Immediately after Peter there was another Pope, Pope Linus who died in 80AD. Linus is mentioned in 2 Timothy. So it seems there was an established papacy. And there is a continuous line from there.

[quote] I hope Francis is canonized

I hope Trump is ”canonized” too.

“Countries who build walls are evil and not Christian!”

I just got up but the first news I read was that Trump made a disrespectful blunder by stepping on the rug the pope's coffin was on. It's considered holy ground.

A slimming black suit would have taken pounds off Trump's body. Like, 5, maybe.

Wow.

[quote] The final honor guard for Pope Francis included migrants, prisoners, transgender people, the homeless and others selected by the Vicariate of Rome as a symbol of the late pope’s mission of inclusion and outreach.

Like the Church or not -- and I understand why many do not -- you cannot deny that Francis tried to be as Christ-like as he could, within the confines of his culture and his position.

I know he's gotten a lot of grief for seeing Vance just before his death, but Christ also associated with tax collectors.

Amazing, R98!

R95 he didn’t live in a palace; he lived in a rooming house.

If many of you knew the mission of the Jesuits, this wouldn’t be any real surprise. No “wow” required.

However after meeting Vance, the pope lost all will to live. It's happening to many people in my admin

tRump at the funeral on his phone and napping while not wearing a dark suit. He just totally sucks.

[quote] Trump wore a blue suit.

At least it wasn't a tan suit.

I'm shocked Trump's fat ass could fit into a made-in-Europe chair. And that the whole thing didn't collapse.

Trump is trash.

I can't help but be saddened by Franesco's passing. And I have a TON of problems with the Catholic church. Watching the funeral had me choked up. MARY! But between the simple, cheap casket and getting buried in a poor neighborhood of Rome with prisoners and migrants offering flowers before his final goodbye, as he instructed. Lovely.

True Story = I always wonder how many times David Muir and James Longman hook up when they are in the same city?

Whorelania's mantilla is fucking hideous.

Our jackass, disrespectful president alone in electric blue in a sea of somber black.

Joe had to be told by Jill that it wasn't his funeral.

Francis’s thoughts during his final hospitalization are very worth reading.

[Quote] Joe had to be told by Jill that it wasn't his funeral.

And yet he didn’t singlehandedly wreck the US economy in three months. So how much worse is Trump — amirite Defacto?

[quote]If many of you knew the mission of the Jesuits, this wouldn’t be any real surprise. No “wow” required.

I graduated from a Jesuit hs, college, and taught in Jesuit schools for 41 yrs and I still say, " Wow," not because it IS so Jesuit mission-forward, but because it demonstrated how he changed the usual image of Pope. Not the showy man in the luxurious cars and elegant lifestyle, but the humble man who elevated the marginalized people above himself. And to see they did this in front of the world's most powerful leaders... Wow.

[quote]Our jackass, disrespectful president alone in electric blue in a sea of somber black.

Trump HATES attending anything honoring someone other than him, so he wore the suit so people would be talking about him, making him the centerpiece of the funeral. Also, it showed his disrespect for a man who was the total opposite of him and espoused values that he finds abhorrent.

For me, my favorite image of Pope Francis is him riding the Buenos Aires subway. On a shallow level, he was quite handsome, even into old-ish age. But also, you can see, IMO, that his mission to be with the people was real.

Thanatopraxis should be a process funeral homes everywhere she offer, rather than the much more intrusive full embalming process. I'm sure it would be considerably cheaper. Unfortunately a lot of people are under the false belief that embalming will keep their loved one's body looking good for a very long time, and that's just not so. Embalmed bodies rot just like unembalmed bodies, just slower. I once asked an old friend of mine who grew up in a funeral home owning family what an embalmed corpse would look like after 20 years or more and he said "with a few exceptions it would be nothing but skeletal". At times the soil in which a body is buried may be so dry that it may help to mummify a body which may keep it from full deterioration, but not something anyone would want to look at years down the road.

But we all know how funeral homes operate. Anything to beef up the charges.

Francis was tired. I really believe he chose to go on the day after Easter.

Am I the first queen to comment on what a handsome daddy King Felipe of Spain is??

Not even

R114 Wow, that's actually surprising to me. Has Macron run out of fucks to give? Or was the stench of Trump just too overwhelming. He should have shook his hand. Eek.

I'm sure Trump's diaper was overflowing and at full stench.

This is Francis at his best, consoling a young boy who asked him if his non-believing father is in heaven.

He also knew how to work the levers of power…as needed.

r126 I had completely forgotten about that moment. It made me cry (again). Thanks for sharing.

It's been reported that 250,000 attended, I wonder how they all found lodging.

1/2 walked home 🤷🏻‍♂️

[quote]I worry for Prince William’s shining pate.

As he gets older, he looks more like Prince Philip. But he always looks so dapper. The whole thing looks like a long hot day sitting in the sun, so no wonder King Chuck skipped it.

Was anyone there representing Canada?

Do you think these guys are celibate?

Only with each other…

I wonder if Fox News is trotting out Father Jazzhands for the funeral; during Pope JP's funeral, he made Bill Hemmer look butch!

Probably the Governor General r132.

He was there with the Chief Justice

Don’t you Canadians know anything about your own diplomacy?

Has that pope ever once said thank you to the US? Well?

^"And why are you always wearing a dress? Why don't you ever wear a suit? Are you poor? In the USA, our men don't wear dresses (in public) and don't wear a little beanie hat - unless of course they're jews"

R114, that was beautiful. Thank you.

AI covered the funeral and the meeting with Trump and Zelensky.

I will admit that I cried after watching the video at R126.

The dress code was for men to wear black. Trump wore a royal blue suit. Always the Asshole.

[quote It's been reported that 250,000 attended, I wonder how they all found lodging.

The canonization of Carlo Acutis was scheduled for April 27th and then cancelled after the Pope's death. The people who had lodging reservations for the canonization probably just decided to keep their reservations and attend the Pope's funeral and other events. But, probably others had trouble finding reservations or lodging.

Kind of sad that he's gone, though I know that's hypocritical of me given that I despise the Catholic Church. He seemed to have more humanity about him than previous popes.

[quote]Do you think these guys are celibate?

A few years ago I asked a young priest friend of mine what they do whenever they get sexual urges. He made a fist and vigorously moved it up and down. I got my answer.

Trump should've worn a black suit, but I think it's funny nobody cares if Zelensky wouldn't put on a suit and tie.

"The choice did not grossly violate the dress code for the event (which reportedly called for a dark suit with a black tie for men). Prince William also appeared to be wearing blue, though a shade closer to navy, and former President Joseph R. Biden Jr. wore a blue tie." (NY Times)

and the PTV video award goes to...

It would never occur to me to hear that the pope has died and then fly halfway around the world to Rome just to be there.

I don't get it.

What was on his iPod?

NPR has the answer

An Edith Piaf fan, eh?

R151 You don't get what? The Pope is considered a global leader. There are more than a billion Catholics in the world. Also Vatican City is an independent state and he's the head of state.

[quote] Trump Refuses to Give Biden Air Force One Ride to Pope’s Funeral

Not even the death of Pope Francis could bring President Donald Trump to make nice and ride with former President Joe Biden.

Sitting President George W. Bush rode with former presidents George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton on Air Force One to the funeral Mass of Pope John Paul II’s in 2005. Yet when Trump was told that Biden would also be attending the Saturday ceremony, he didn’t give his political rival much thought.

“Oh he is? I didn’t know,” Trump told reporters aboard Air Force One on Friday, The Daily Mail reported. Trump said that a meeting with Biden during the trip to Italy was “not high on my list.”

“It’s really not,” he added.

The MAGA president doubled down on that sentiment during the ceremony as he sat with First Lady Melania Trump and ignored Biden and former First Lady Jill Biden—despite them clearly being within his line of sight, The Daily Mail reported.

Yet even after his sweeping second election win, Trump has kept Biden front and center as a scapegoat. The New York Times reported that Trump mentioned Biden more than 300 times in the first 50 days of his presidency, regularly blaming him for manufactured chaos at the border and attacking him as “the worst president in American history.”

However, Trump did make time to sit down with political frenemy Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, reported NYT.

sweeping second election win…?

In which alternate universe did this occur🤔

Between "Sleepy" Joe Biden and Daddy Trump, only one of them managed to stay awake during the funeral of the pope.

R155, It's a long ride, so the plane must have really stunk. Also, I doubt the Bidens would have accepted.

No surprise. We all agreed Trump would attempt to upstage Pope Francis funeral.

Oh, please. Biden would have every right to just laugh in Trump’s face after the mess he’s made of the country in less than 100 days.

History will be much kinder to President Biden than it will be to Donald Trump.

And to Pope Francis for that matter, r161

Trump is a coward, he doesn't want to face the people he bullies like Biden

R147 Priest-friend said "Chastity? I thought it was Charity. I've been giving it away all these years."

There will be no history after Trump-he’s taking us with him.

Just as I suspected, DL is chock-a-block full of cossacked-monks squirrelling off to the dark corners of the chapel to pull their iphone 3's out for a quick hit of Pointless Bitchery!

Jill and Joe looked great

R167 Jill was wearing her official funeral suit. She wore it to Queen Elizabeth's funeral, and Jimmy Carter's.

Jill looked better than Whorelania.

Melania looked like a mob widow

[quote] Vatican Caves and Gives Trump Front-Row Seat for Pope’s Funeral

President Donald Trump, wearing a blue suit in a sea of black, was seated in a prized front-row seat for the funeral of Pope Francis.

The seating location will likely be a source of great satisfaction for the famously thin-skinned president, who mercilessly mocked Joe Biden after he was seated in the 14th row at Queen Elizabeth’s funeral in 2022.

Based on precedent, Trump was expected to have been seated in the third row, behind anointed monarchs.

In the end, however, he and Melania were seated in the front row, along with Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky, whose appearance triggered a spontaneous outburst of applause from the assembled crowds.

Vatican sources told Sky News that Trump met with Zelensky before the ceremony, just hours after the president talked up a peace deal between Ukraine and Russia.

The controversy over Trump’s seating would doubtless have prompted a wry reaction from the overtly humble Pope Francis, who dedicated considerable political capital to confronting Trump, denouncing his immigration policy as “un-Christian” and schooling his minion JD Vance on the issue in his final hours.

Cardinal Vincent Nichols, the Archbishop of Westminster, previously told the Telegraph the ceremony would be a “masterpiece of stage management when you consider those state leaders who have high opinions of their importance.”

“They’ve been doing it since the emperors ruled Rome—they know how to deal with big egos. And I think every leader of a nation that comes here on Saturday will go home reasonably content,” he added.

The concession on Trump’s seating arrangement represents a significant break from the precedent last employed at Pope John Paul II’s 2005 funeral.

On that occasion, Catholic royals took the front row, followed by non-Catholic royals. Non-royal heads of state were then seated behind them in alphabetical order based on the spelling of their countries’ names in French, the official language of Vatican diplomacy.

Trump publicly mocked then-President Joe Biden in 2022 for being placed in the 14th row during Queen Elizabeth II’s funeral, claiming it was proof that “there’s no respect for the United States anymore.”

He suggested that, were he still president, he would have received a front-row seat.

Biden did attend the pope’s funeral Saturday, he was seated much further back.

Imagine all the pasta they’ll be eating

Are you implying that the Cardinals of the Conclave are fat whores, r172?