Virginia Giuffre is dead to me

Oh, shit. She committed suicide?

Wait, was she the one who recently posted in Instagram about having days to live?

Yes, this one is sad.

Sad. I guess she knew she was going to do it. Yet another victim of Epstein's evil deeds.

May she rest in peace.

Sad but not shocking. She was clearly mentally ill, not at all psychologically fit to be in the public fishbowl she was in.

Doesn’t mean her Epstein accusations weren’t true.

R5. Huh?.

Very sad. I hope she is finally at peace.

I wonder if Dump/MAGA will have anything to say, since they're always screaming for justice for dead white girls?

Whatever clandestine nastiness is said about her will eventually be echoed in this thread r9. It is the beginning of the weekend afterall. They all think alike.

I wonder if the truth comes out now she's gone too. Which isn't to say the truth isn't what we know, but is it? This was a bizarre story and I always wondered if everybody was as they appeared.

I’ve never understood the relationship between Ghislane and Jefferey.

[quote]Oh, shit.

I said this out loud when I saw this thread.

How terrible for her children. RIP

I guess I'm shallow. If I got my hands on millions of dollars, I'd be the happiest boy in the world. No matter WHAT happened to me in the past. I'd split my time between NYC and LA. I'd have sex with hot boys, see Broadway shows every night, eat out for every meal.

Why kill yourself with millions in the bank??

She didn't lie. The picture had a stamp on the back of it that showed it was processed at a Walgreens store in 2004 or whatever year it was. The picture she had of herself and Andrew was 100% legitimate.

R15

She has gone through years of public and private trauma and depression doesn’t care about a bank balance,

[r12] Watch some of the documentaries about Ghislaine's father and his connections and stuff might start making more sense.

[quote]How terrible for her children. RIP

As the parent of a teenager, I can confidently say they probably drove her to suicide.

well put r17

Oh no. How sad.

You don't have to say "dead to me" for every death, OP. It's best used for unserious people imo.

Horrible!

If someone had her taken out (which doesn't seem impossible) they probably timed it so that the Pope's funeral would drown the coverage out.

Indeed r19 how sharper than a serpent's tooth it is to have a thankless child

That's strange because a couple years ago when the story broke she said hey everyone, I'm healthy if I die it wasn't because of suicide.

There's no way she could have been poisoned with some sort of drugs to make her act crazy? And so her rants about dying soon... Nah

She was getting divorced and seemed to be having mental issues. She had been restricted from seeing her children recently and had breached that order.

She eloped with her husband 10 days after meeting and that was the bridge away from Epstein. Her family had kind of been her rock all along. Losing contact with her kids seemed to put her in a state of despair in recent weeks.

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Does anyone remember how much her settlement was from the Queen?

Drama worthy of a DL gay!

[quote] Giuffre abruptly returned to social media in April, sharing odd Instagram stories with her 21,000 followers that left many concerned over their confusing contents, including a screenshot of the song, Somebody That I Used To Know, followed by a black screen

You don't repeatedly use and abuse a teenage girl and expect her to walk away unscathed. I don't why people think young sex workers are all fine with it and just in it for the money. They pay, boy do they pay. Anyway, I hope she's found some peace.

I wonder if her daughter becoming a teen triggered repressed trauma, among other things. She had been with her husband since she was a teen herself. Losing her family seemed to accelerate her downward spiral. Very sad.

Foul play?

R19 I have a cliche asshole teen, I know it was a joke but stop it. You are diminishing people in real psychic pain. My freinds say mine will come back to me, I hope so.

Also may her memory be a blessing.

Hard to say, R35. Recent marital split, restraining order against her, restricted visits with kids, spiraling dramatic socials posts, could have offed herself.

Best of luck r36.

Being used as a teen sex slave for a foreign intelligence honeypot operation blackmailing politicians and wealthy elite can really fuck you up. Don't do it

She seemed like such a nice girl.

little green worms live underneath my pendulous breasts and my crotch smells like vomit.

R15 I will not be surprised if the reason she committed suicide becomes clear in the next few weeks. We already know she disregarded a restraining order (restraining order because of her violence) and that she wasn't permitted to even see her adult child which would have to have been that child's choice. We may find out that she was a pathological liar. We will have to wait and see how it plays out.

R15- it doesn’t matter how much money you have if you’re mentally ill.

She and her husband both sound messy.

When I die, I expect a DL thread called “C-list is dead to me!”

Andrew came out of hiding for Easter only days ago. He knew what was coming.

[quote] I feel a little sad using the DL format.

DON'T!!! The Datalounge honorific is the very best we can offer this poor, tragic young woman. May God rest her soul.

Her daughter is still a young teen, now her life is also shaped by early trauma.

And her dad, driving too fast, with poorly stored guns, doesn’t sound too stable either. Hopefully there are people in the extended family who can support the kids.

Many victims of trafficking never fully recover, and yes, they can develop personality/behavior disorders, including being abusive to people that they love.

People aren’t all bad or all good, they’re usually a messy mix of both. Her story is incredibly tragic to me, even more so that her children clearly did not want to see her right now. It just sounds like she really struggled and never stopped struggling. And perhaps she exaggerated her injuries from the bus accident — it doesn’t diminish the fact that she was still trafficked as a youth.

She said her husband was abusive

Well put, R50. Virginia Giuffre was reportedly placed in foster care because of sexual abuse in her home, and was pimped out by an older man when she was still a young teen. Returned to the custody of a father who worked at Mar A Largo, Virginia was spotted on the grounds by Ghislaine Maxwell and invited to take a job as Jeffrey Epstein’s “masseuse”. She was then pressured to have sex with other men, believing it was part of her job.

At the time all of this was happening, Giuffre was 15 - 18 years old, and had been groomed early in life to accept sexual abuse was normal. She wasn’t a 28-year old deciding to do some yachting while her boobs were still perky. She was a child who didn’t receive the right care and attention, and who was targeted for exploitation because she was already fucked up and eager to please.

That she kept her shit together for so long before cracking up (and frankly, I’m suspicious of the timing because people who want her dead are now in power) show that Giuffre had an incredible amount of strength, whatever other flaws she might have had. I wish she was able to find peace here on the earth, for her kids’ sake:

I lament the fact that the poor lady is dead, because I really want to have a laugh over the obvious use of that settlement money to buy herself an eye lift (at the very least).

I wish predators/abusers truly understood how profoundly their actions affect their victims, however, they’re sociopaths, so they haven’t the capacity to feel anything about it one way or another, even though they might intellectually understand it. They just DGAF, & will almost always choose predation over ethics & morality.

I’m really sad she succumbed. Some people just cannot see it straight, right in the eye, & actually defend & protect themselves long term. What happened to her as a child/teen, set her up to become a magnet to REALLY shitty people. And it’s difficult to get to a place where one can actually trust others again, because one can finally trust one’s guts, and due to so much nuance, a lot of people who were once victimized, become victims once again, to other shitty predators.

The alternative is to trust no one, & anyone with a modicum of decent mental & emotional health understands that this option is NO way to live.

So what do you do?

Do you become a non predatory, lone wolf? Do you become a punching bag? Or do you become realistic, & acknowledge that you were quite unfortunately exposed to HORRIBLE people, however, that doesn’t discount purpose, & a genuine desire to live, hope, & possibly FINALLY trust & love?

I did not experience what this woman experienced, but I easily could have. I, however, have experienced equally devastating shit, & I don’t know why, but I still have HOPE that in the end? We are inherently GOOD, & will do the right thing. Perhaps I’m delusional, but I do not think so. I stay alive because I have seen true beauty, & I genuinely see it every fucking single day, regardless of what or how other do/behave, in order to disavow me from that.

FUCK her parents, Trump’s Florida golf course, Epstein, Maxwell, Prince Andrew, miscellaneous men/women, Florida law enforcement/judiciary, the Daily Mail, & ALL who attempted to publicly pummel this woman for being a REAL VICTIM.

This place is RIDDLED with Murdoch & Company lackeys, as is the entire internet, & these men & women who are employed by these rags are some of the filthiest, BIGGEST pieces of human excrement one could ever step upon. THEY really & truly helped & hastened in this woman’s suicide, & if you in any way support these pieces of evil filth? Then you TOO, have unwittingly and/or knowingly lent your hand in her fucked up mental health, & death.

Absolute SCUM, the lot of you who work for these rags & perpetrate internet LYNCHINGS.

Also, if you’re a celebrity or public figure? FUCK YOU for using the most abhorrent form of media/platform, to garner public exposure for whatever your case may be.

Oh I disagree, r22. DTM has become a DL institution. I’d be insulted, INSULTED, IN-SUL-TED, if I were a celeb and died and didn’t get a DTM thread on DL.

Fuck OFF to the glib comments from R22, & R55.

See?

This is what I’m referencing.

So many people never stop & question whether or not their they’re actually the problem.

Being glib is sooooo much easier than participating in accountability.

[Quote]So what do you do?

For starters, R54, you should get a blog.

That was unexpected even though she isn’t well and recently said she had a week to live.

My favorite part of this story is how no one has ever asked her about her relationship with Trump? Did she massage him? No one thought to ask? What are the labor laws about children working with nude adults in a locker room? What is the job description of a "locker room attendant" at Mar a Lago? Who interviewed her? How many other children work there? What was Trump's reaction about losing such a valuable employee to his best friend? The whole thing is sickening.

This is very sad. What a sad life.

DLers have never known when to retire a once-popular or once-funny phrase. It's invariably run into the ground. They keep using it to signal their presence as old-timers to other Stone Age DLers.

I checked the DL web traffic last week. DL is 55 percent female and the largest age demo is 38-55.

Why is everyone linking this to her early adulthood? She had recently split from her husband, whom she apparently claimed was attacking her, and wasn't permitted to see her children (who, it appears, may have chosen not to see her). She wildly exaggerated the supposed fatal crash she was in, not giving a shit shit about damaging the reputations of the people she accused (the two drivers).

There was a lot of shit going on in her life today, much of it caused by herself.

Yes, most of us OGs checked out years ago (did they leave for greener pastures?). At least VoTN and Torta are still here (the latter after a long absence).

Yes and that was all a part of her present R63 including the trafficking and abuse. You don’t get to draw a line under it

[quote]Why is everyone linking this to her early adulthood?

Because it *is* all directly related. It's textbook stuff. Her poor choices as an adult were linked to her early adulthood, which in turn was directly linked to her childhood of endless abuse, violence, being a runaway, living in foster homes, becoming a victim of childhood sex trafficking... It's probably surprising she even made it to her forties.

Some of you like r54 and r65 are much too emotionally involved in this story.

You're being irrational and overwrought.

She was in a horrific collision with a school bus earlier this month.

Is there a pleasant collision with a school bus?

She wasn't in a "horrific collision with a school bus", r68. She was in a minor scrape that no one else involved thought was particularly significant and she inflated the whole thing into something much bigger, claiming she only had four days to live as a result of fabricated images sustained. Her marriage had broken down and she was apparently banned from seeing her kids. So, yeah, she went off the rails because of that.

I for one am shocked and disappointed that she didn’t learn from her teenage trials to become a better wife and mother

There are degrees of accidents, dumbfuck.

Her phony car accident was a sign of mental illness. She was estranged from husband and children at the time. Both men who were involved with her as a teen committed suicide in prison. Only Maxwell is still standing. It’s a shame the money she won didn’t seem to help much.

R15 this is one of the most astonishingly ignorant things I've read here in a while. Some things money can't buy, make disappear, or change.

[quote]the largest age demo is 38-55.

But everyone says we look 18!

Nothing to do with me, plebs.

[Quote] DLers have never known when to retire a once-popular or once-funny phrase. It's invariably run into the ground. They keep using it to signal their presence as old-timers to other Stone Age DLers. -R61

Well done on figuring out what this site is for. It’s a balm to stressed out old queens who come here to carry on and take comfort. If you want new phrases then check out Reddit or TikTok or anywhere else on the web. Leave us hissing old queens to our ways and die in a grease fire.

Considering how many young DL boys were taken advantage of by older men for sex back in the day that might explain all the angst and mental health issues we see unfold daily here on the DL?

But I bet very few parents were sending young future DLer Pete off to sex island with a group of adult millionaire’s and their pimps for the many weekends.

It was her parents that sunk her. And while we morn her on this thread dozens have died in Africa and we don’t give a shit about them. They re just not entertaining or that white.,

If you only have a short time to live, why would you kill yourself? Nothing suspicious about any of this at all.

R79 is an expert on children and depression and suicide , Pay attention,

R67, are you an adult? Have you ever been “emotional & overwrought”? How is it that you cannot even just intellectually, understand how her being exposed to relentless trauma, eventually led to her suicide?

Are you attempting to bargain with yourself, by stating that internet strangers on DL are going over the cliff on this tragedy, because of x, y, or z?

This woman was sex trafficked for years when she was still a child, per legal standard in the United States. She eventually ended up having children with a man who allegedly beat the shit out of her regularly. You cannot understand how her childhood gave way to all of this?

Perhaps it is you, who needs to pause, & take a moment to reflect upon why a dysfunctional childhood can easily lead a person to suicide, coupled with relentless media coverage, financially capitalizing & exploiting it.

It’s not OK to work for an organization that makes it normal to constantly target persons who were or are innocent victims of abuse. It’s not OK to target people who do not deserve negative narrative, for a buck.

This woman should have been protected, not exploited upon exploitation after exploitation.

My take is that there’s sooo much fucked up shit happening on this planet, that the media, & specifically the Daily Mail, have plenty of material to source & report upon, yet intentionally choose to target individuals who don’t deserve negative press, because it makes way more money than focusing a real injustice. It’s not a unique or interesting conclusion, it’s just the truth.

When people normalize & justify this? It may eventually lead to devastating outcomes, such as what happened here.

Look, I understand the profit model for gossip rags, and I also believe there’s a place for harmless gossip, but I also believe that businesses such as the DM destroy the lives of those who don’t deserve to be destroyed.

She got a terrible SM backlash for not dieing after her recent crash. SM really brings out vile creatures. But, if she wasnt mentally well, and its the reason shes dead, it also should have been reason enough that she needed Help..why didnt she get it? It all seems weird.

How do you determine the gender and age of website traffic?

[quote]And while we morn her on this thread dozens have died in Africa and we don’t give a shit about them. They re just not entertaining or that white.,

Oh, dear à deux.

I was always curious about how she met a guy on a massage course Epstein sent her to Thailand for as a teen, they married 10 days later, and that guy turned out to be decent and a good, stable choice. It did get her away from Epstein but it now appears it might have been into a life of DV. Alienating kids from a victim is a classic abuser tactic, we will never know what relationship with kids would have been otherwise. They moved around a lot, so she may not have had a robust social support network. She clearly did not have the inner resources to handle losing what stability she had had. Very sad life of non-stop abuse. If she claims he cracked her sternum in January, surely there would be medical records.

Like I said in the other thread - her brother said she had renal failure, which can cause you to be mentally unstable. I chalk the bus accident up to that.

Wouldn't surprise me if she had renal failure from alcoholism - she always looked bloated and had significant stress the past 20 years.

Once your kidneys go, you don't have too much time. I have to wonder if all of this was alcohol and drug-related issues.

Perhaps. Her husband also looks like a drinker. How was he supporting a family of 5 as a “martial arts instructor” anyway? He hardly looked fit. I suspect there is more of a backstory there.

[quote] I wonder if Dump/MAGA will have anything to say

Don Jr was already making jokes about it on Twitter.

r83, I had access to a web analytics site similar to this one.

[quote]When people normalize & justify this? It may eventually lead to devastating outcomes, such as what happened here.

You can't possibly think she killed herself because of the Daily Mail.

She likely killed herself in distress over her divorce and lack of access to her kids. Nothing to do with Daily Mail or even Epstein list.

Given that she had lived for years in Western Australia, I agree it is not reasonable to claim she committed suicide because of a British newspaper.

She had good reason to be deeply troubled given how exploited she was as a young woman, but her problems in recent years cannot be laid at the feet of any recent news story (and certainly not at the feet of Dataloungers--!!!--as the batshit crazy poster at r54 claims). She was just in terrible shape emotionally, as her false recent claim of being doomed to die by the bus accident suggested. She had a terrible life, and I'm sorry for her she did, and I'm very sorry for her kids.

R89 Right, I forgot how google analytics keeps track of cookies, approved ads ect, (if you're signed in) and infer from these actions/interests, your gender and age.

R91 - that's what I was thinking - and also because she was now isolated in another country and away from whatever family she had left. (From her background, it doesn't sound like she probably had a great home life when she was young).

It could have been renal failure from the 'accident' or from other things, but your days are numbered when that happens.

Agree that it’s another generation of kids with trauma, very sad.

Their father may not be a prize either.

Guessing pills or a gun since it was a farm.

Wonder where the husband and kids are.

They are in what had been the family home.

Unless the husband spends it all, her kids will be rich one day, but really f’d up too.

Prince Andrew is thrilled.

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[quote] Look, I understand the profit model for gossip rags, and I also believe there’s a place for harmless gossip, but I also believe that businesses such as the DM destroy the lives of those who don’t deserve to be destroyed.

And yet, here you are on a gossip forum. Go figure.

Try harder with your analogies, R100.

Why would Prince Andrew award her with a settlement if he didn't do what she claimed?

I wonder if it was suicide or made to look like suicide.

R103 - she did all the damage already - kicking her off at this point would do what exactly? I think she did off herself.

Getting the 12 million pound settlement - which was probably 8 million after attorney fees - I have to wonder if that allowed her to indulge in things that she couldnt afford before.

There was a restraining order against her and she couldn't see her kids - no foreign entity involved with that being done.

I think pills and alcohol.

Why would anyone kill her? She got her payoff and the news has moved on. Her sad history shows a very troubled person.

R104 Epstein Island doesn't go for booze and pills!

R106 - exactly - they get them DELIVERED!

I wonder why the DV allegations that came up 10 years ago in court filings never got media traction?

More from GM court filings

Post from someone who got out of DV, Virginia was still married and having contact with children withheld. Shame she could not use Andrew’s money to truly break free and get effective trauma treatment.

Is Prince Andrew chuckling away to himself tonight, while wanking over barely-legal porn, or will this story now loom over him even more?

Only he and his perfectly arranged family of teddy bears know.

Charles is still into his stuffed bear too, and was so chummy with Saville. Maybe they were also perved on as kids?

All the moving around tracks with DV. Sad she got out of the frying pan and into the fire with this guy. The one who now has all of Andrew’s settlement.

R105 why would anyone kill her? Because it’s the DL. QAnon for those that lean left.

How could this latest incident (bruising of her face) be domestic violence if there was a protection order against her and she lost custody of her kids?

Seems easily provable if he was the aggressor.

And agreed - the money goes to him and her kids.

I wish they get to the bottom of all of this.

Wonder if her husband will be held accountable for the dv at all? Maybe that is why they left US when his probation ended?

Maxwell’s lawyers were referring to a real DV conviction that the husband pled guilty to in Colorado in 2015. So much DV in front of the kids, they will be perps or abusers in adulthood, trauma compounded by loss of mother even before her suicide. So ironic Maxwell was the one to bring the issue forward a decade ago.

Outside of People the story did not really get picked up.

R74 sorrreeee. Look, my dad beat me up all the time. I was called faggot every day of my life. That has left me with lifelong scars. Honey chile, I KNOW why the CAGED BIRD sings!

HOWEVER if I was offered millions of dollars for my troubles, and the world was suddenly my oyster, I'd be absolutely thrilled. I just don't get it. It's only been like a year since she got the award.

I had a friend who grew up wealthy who used to tell me how wrong I was. Intellectually I completely believe him. Emotionally I have to say her killing herself makes zero sense to me.

Again, I know I'm wrong and shallow.

Yet no charges for DV against the husband. They've been separated since 2023.

Virginia threw out all of the DV accusations - the police found none.

I don't think we should jump to conclusions about the husband, who had custody of the 3 kids. If it was real DV, she would have those kids in her home and have a protection order against him - not the other way around.

And no I don't believe she was tricked into it and it was reverse. Virginia had access to VERY high-powered attorneys with her other case - and millions of pounds. She could afford a good attorney to help her.

It doesn't make sense.

I think part of the ongoing trauma for her is that many people, then and now (like Phillywhore), did not believe she was trafficked or was a victim of sexual abuse. Or that she was a willing participant for fame and money and should have known better.

It appears that the pattern has repeated itself with the DV allegations that were not believed by many people, even with the documented history of his violence, his DUI and unsecured guns. I guess even the Australian court didn't believe her. There must have been some mutual physical stuff for the court to side with the husband and children, but he sounds quite sketchy. Now wealthy and sketchy depending on what her will says, if she left one.

R120, it wasn’t just about $.

R121 he pled guilty to DV in Colorado in 2015, it was cited in Maxwell court filings. He was put on probation. When it ended they left the state.

Family Court is often used as a tool by abusers. She may have continued to stay due to threats she would lose contact with the kids.

[quote]Accusations of abuse in family court open the floor for the alleged abuser to defend him/herself and put forth his or her own allegations. Ultimately, the abuser has the ability to turn the courts against the victim—an ability that is absent in criminal court cases.

When his probation for DV ended they left US and moved back to Australia in 2019, further isolating her from her father and brothers.

They were still married at the time of her death, her abusive husband likely will retain all of her assets.

R122 - but she had all the money in the world to hire attorneys and prove DV allegations or dispute them if they were reversed.

You're making it sound like the Australian police had some vendetta or bias against her - based on nothing. And she had great attorneys and money to pay them to counter it, if she was truly the victim.

As it has been stated, this whole getting hit by a truck (no real accident) and other things are really strange and nobody knows what happened. But her kidneys were failing - although we don't know why either.

There was a busted tail light on the car involved with the bus - that's it. Do I think an ex-martial arts guy has the capability for violence? Yep. But we don't really know anything and to blame her death on her husband when they've been separated for 2 years is gross speculation.

Prince Andrew’s ex-girlfriend sparks backlash with ‘sick’ response to Virginia Giuffre’s death

Lady Victoria Hervey, 48, shared a link to a news story revealing Virginia took her own life, saying: ‘When lies catch up with you there’s no way out.’

After receiving intense backlash, Victoria backtracked and admitted the death was ‘tragic’.

She said: ‘I have taken the decision to pause my posts on the topic of Virginia Giuffre at the this time.

‘Irrespective of circumstances, suicide in anyone at anytime is tragic and in a young mother who has children even more.’

Victoria has attacked Virginia online before, calling her ‘Queen of the fake photo’.

After Virginia posted images of her bruised body following a crash with a bus, Victoria posted an image of herself smiling with the caption: ‘What is Karma.’

What a cantankerous bitch^^

I wish we could hear from Katie Johnson. Or read the part of Virginia's deposition where she was asked about Katie Johnson and Donald Trump.

Virginia was a victim AND a perpetrator who trafficked HUNDREDS of girls, all of them in the documents. Palm Beach DA/police had 200 victims and 250 witnesses, IIRC.

She was distraught that he had alienated her children from her. He beat her. She committed suicide. He’s not a good guy. He pled guilty to DV in US.

So naive, LE has a high rate of DV themselves.

She stood up to very powerful people but was broken down by a now wealthy MMA unemployed abuser. A very tragic life. Her kids have little chance for a healthy adulthood.

I wish her family had been able to get her into in-patient trauma treatment. Her brother was there but not equipped to counter the impact of decades of unprocessed trauma.

She was used to traffic more kids, that is the common pattern. Before Epstein she had already been victimized. Then Robert Giuffre came along.

Does she think Andrew will take up with her again? Why go so hard, what’s in it for her?

This woman had a life full of pain and something like killing herself fits right in with a victim of sexual exploitation. If she were just some grifter she’d be living her best life with all the money

"I am making it publicy known that in no way, shape or form am I sucidal. I have made this known to my therapist and GP- If something happens to me- in the sake of my family do not let this go away and help me to protect them. Too many evil people want to see me quiteted"

Virginia Giuffre @VRSVirginia - 3:32 UTC · Dec 11, 2019

That was 6 years ago before her abusive husband cut her off from her kids. The IG post about the bus was an attempt to see the kids.

She had a very sad life. Her husband was the last in a series of abusive men into fucking teens, he just put a ring on it and controlled her by her love for her kids and pets, as abusers do. The marriage 10 days after meeting.

Andrew paid because he was guilty. Robert pled guilty because he committed DV. Not very dissimilar predators.

Meanwhile, I'll trade any of you bitches a Cup o' Noodles from the commissary for a cigarette. No Parliaments, though.

The driver of the car in the bus crash was Virginia’s 71 yr old carer. For mental or physical reasons, she has been struggling. The bus post was a cry for help and an attempt to see her kids. She continued to spiral since.

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R1 Thank you for breaking that down. You are so right. That Lady Vicky is a regular Alexis Morrel Carrington Colby. I'll fix a drink and check out this latest rabbit hole.

R22 I started the Pope is dead thread and I didn't use the dead to me headline. I don’t think it’s always appropriate.

But how could she have been unhappy, when she had $$$ from the settlement? Make it make sense to me

R17 nailed it. Thread closed . We cannot even imagine the depth of her pain and trauma. She tried really hard for a long time . RIP

I'm R11 and much of the speculation and the assertions this thread capture what I meant... there were all these people around here... were they all trafficking her in one way or another? Rolling Stone is probably digging as we type. Somebody's going to write the definitive piece about her and presumably axes will be ground and lawsuits will fly. There's got to be a lot of layers here and a lot of people jockeying for a piece of her will now be jockeying for revenge, picking over the bones.

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Her later despairing posts were about her kids and wanting to see them. Very sad end.

Husband pled guilty to DV in US but OZ let him weaponize the legal system.

Besides missing them, losing her full time mom role left a lot of time for decades of unresolved trauma to come up. The isolation on a farm likely didn’t help either.

Who else did she implicate? Or was holding back from implicating? Did anyone benefit from her death? The cat was already out of the bag.

R146 is all over this thread presuming DV and how she was screwed by the Australian legal system, without much evidence besides a dismissed charge in Colorado to back it up. Despite that she had money to fight any charges.

You're convinced it was the husband that drove her to this - without any proof. It feels very much like something Della would sink her teeth into and not let go no matter what.

We don't know anything - and hopefully something will come to light. But having excellent attorneys to work on her abuse cases the past few years, you would think she would have the resources to fight the restraining order and the removal of custody.

R146 makes it out like some conspiracy and won't hear anything different.

R147, she said Alan Dershowitz was one of the men who abused her but she backed down when he threatened to sue her

R148, she had been traumatized her whole life.

Your full throated defense of someone who pled guilty to breaking his wife’s bones in front of their kid is f’ing sick.

Her most recent posts were despair about her kids. Soz that doesn’t fit into your pet looney conspiracy, life is hard for MRAs, we know.

How is it a conspiracy that someone abused for decades offed herself?

Has anyone posted the message of heartfelt grief from her husband of 22 years? Typically even when there is estrangement that is common.

[quote] But how could she have been unhappy, when she had $$$ from the settlement? Make it make sense to me

It's impossible,. Money equals happiness, as we all know. Just look at Elon Musk.

And $ = well balanced, look at Musk or Trump, amirite?!

A wealthy woman in despair offing herself can only be due to some Q Anon thing, not her husband who pled guilty to DV weaponizing the court system in his native country to break her down and alienate her kids. Hint, he had access to a lot of $ too. Making her seem crazy and desperate publicly may have gotten him off but who really benefited? Andrew’s flutters sure saw it as an opportunity. And he then swanned back into public view post haste. Who else?

It’s clear Trump is not releasing more info re his good friend Epstein. Now a face of the movement against trafficking has had her credibility sullied and is no longer around. Coincidental timing I’m sure.

^fluFFers

Is Ghislane still alive? Is she next?

She is alive and in prison.

Time will tell.

Listen,Im not judging her choices in her early life . I did some really crazy shit too when I was young. But she was a working prostitute when she met Andrew,and continued to be one for years after. How she got there is a whole other subject . Sounds to me like there was a ton of regret in her life and she was looking for someone to blame. I realized as I aged and started thinking about some of my choices I also wanted someone to blame . Ultimately I was old enough and smart enough to know better but I did it anyway . It wasnt like this girl was held at gunpoint and forced to turn tricks. She also had ample opportunity to walk away but chose to continue to slinging ass . She should have just owned it and accepted the fact some of it (not all) was indeed her fault. Would I have turned a trick for a couple of grand at 17 ? You bet I would have . And Id have done it willingly with no coercion . Would I have regretted it later in life ? Im sure I would have as I got older and realized the real cost of my poor choices.

[quote]It feels very much like something Della would sink her teeth into and not let go no matter what.

She has a pretty distinctive writing style, I haven't seen it on this thread.

Sling ass vs. sex trafficked teen vs. battered wife whose husband admitted to breaking her bones in front of kid.

It’s DL, of course the most contemptuous, misogynistic posters are on fire. And completely out of step with norms of civilized society.

Victim blaming someone who just committed suicide, never stop the misogyny boys!

[quote] Would I have turned a trick for a couple of grand at 17 ? You bet I would have . And Id have done it willingly with no coercion

Still would be against the law:

Sex trafficking of juveniles is separately defined as causing, inducing, persuading, or attempting to cause, induce or persuade a minor to engage in a commercial sex act.

But sure, go ahead and tell us how you'd be a happily trafficked sex toy at 17 and how it's too bad kids are just looking for someone to blame. Bad attitude! There's a reason the law doesn't say the victim has to be UNWILLING, because the law, unlike you, is based on the moral principal that boys and girls should not be exploited sexually with or without guns pointed at their heads.

DL sure has gone downhill since Orangina came to power. These guys have the same amount of empathy he has, and now they don't even have to [italic]pretend[/italic] to GAF.

Sad.

*principle NOT principal*

I've known many unprincipled principals.

Eh, have always been plenty of posters who hate women on DL, nothing new.

Point taken r166. To be fair, there has also always been a small but vocal minority of straight women here, who get upset when we do not live up to their gay petting zoo expectations.

Hopefully her jerk, abusive husband won't get her settlement money.

R162 ah yes, there ought to be 3 balls, the earth for everyone, then an earth just for women, and earth just for men.

Sigh then another couple balls for all the other groups. Everyone can get there own ball. I think that's what the Mormon's believe anyway.

RIP. Brave to come forward.

That appalling ghoul Vikki Hervey, who’s been crowing about Virginia’s death, takes after her common-as-muck, socially ambitious, ultra-materialistic mother. In the early 90s, Vikki wanted to be in the Berkeley Dress Show (a debutante event that’s not meant to be taken seriously - it’s just a charity fashion show), so Mum circulated images of her in a bikini (something so off-putting to the organisers that they ended up not including her).