Beyonce's latest tour looks like it's on track for bombing!

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

This is Janet Jackson territory.

GOOD

This bitch is over. O-V-E-R. Over.

she got greedy with her merchandising and her longtime black fans called her out. They may not be all that enthusiastic about Beyonce country cosplay. And good for them.

How many blacks or gays wanna go to a country concert

Nobody wants to see her ugly talentless daughter up on stage either.

She tours too frequently. Didn't she just have a tour like last year?

that's what people called her on. Another album. Another tour. And "fancy" perfume none of them can afford. Taylor Swift idiots lap this shit up by Beyonce fans are not simps and suckers.

Why can’t these women learn to hang it up? They had their time. Why can’t they just walk away with grace? They have plenty of money. Also talking to you, Mariah and Madonna. You ladies had amazing careers. Don’t let us remember you as being pathetic.

Is anyone going to mention the elephant in the room- a $20 Big Mac? Seriously?

Big Mac MEAL, R11. However, where I live, the Big Mac Meal is currently around $11.

Don't know where the person from the article lives and how much their Big Mac Meals are.

And before you call me a fat whore, I don't eat their food, I just get coffees and diet Cokes, so have the app.

R12, why don't you get diet coke from Acme or Giant or whatever grocery store you have where you live? MUCH cheaper

Who the hell goes to McDonald's just for coffee and diet cokes?

Beyoncé is fine. She sends her love

The problem is no obe wants to hear her sing country

Beyonce will never “bomb”. However her approach to this era has been misguided. She needed a video-movie to go with the album since it was inspired by spaghetti Westerns. She should also give touring a rest since her fans just spent a lot of money on the last one, after which there was a full documentary on it.

The collaboration with the NFL is also ill advised from a branding perspective but that part is Jay-Z’s fault. He’s a detriment to her generally.

Well , they could bedazzle the garter belt hooker boots and cowboyhats with metall foil confetti instead of Swarovski rhinestones. That`ll cut costs and won´t look cheaper than the Tina Knowles-ish crafty designs she normally wears.

I have nothing against experimenting in different genres, but I can't name a single song off that damn country album of hers. She shat it out with the sole purpose of getting an award for it from people who've been creating in that genre for decades. Overdosing on her own farts at this point, and all the gays going gaga over her for unknown reasons – DEI? It sure as hell ain't talent – over the years has led her to this moment.

And then the fucking merch, which has been mentioned already. "I'm not loaded enough, give me even more of your money." Fucking obscene. When we start eating the rich, I'm gonna be pulling up at this bitch's place first.

R16 I don’t want to listen to her sing anything

[quote] Also talking to you, Mariah and Madonna.

Mariah pops up Nov. 1 and for almost two months is the most beloved, relevant and popular singer in the world, including topping the Billboard chart. Then she boxes herself up, counts her mountains of cash and prepares to emerge another 10 months later. That’s it.

It’s the greatest and shrewdest musical career imaginable. She will keep it going forever and laugh all the way to the bank each holiday season. And I love, love, love her for it!

Bravo, bitch 👏.

Mariah is super lazy, and she figured out the ultimate grift to keep making tons of money every year while doing nothing. It’s pretty remarkable.

Poor Beyoncé - she's turning into Janet Jackson. Humiliating.

JLo’s music career in the states is dead - never forget the $8 ticket debacle - so she’s now reduced to touring Middle Eastern countries where oil sheiks will bid for her private services. At the rate her career is going, she might as well marry some shady foreign billionaire who will put up with her bullshit just to be able to take an occasional whiff of her enormous ass.

If I were the local authorities, I would inspect her tour buses for illegal arms trading. JLo is no stranger to hiding firearms.

She’s such a bitch.

Everyone is pathetic in the end.

Mariah’s never put out a bad album (even GLITTER has its strong points) and most of her recent releases are very underrated. She’s not a great performer though, so she doesn’t get the same attention as acts that regularly put on stadium and/or Vegas residency spectacles. She’s also hella rich so doesn’t really need touring money.

I actually like Beyonce, but the center was never going to hold.

Unlike Madonna and Mariah (since they've been mentioned), her career felt more foisted upon us by the critics than earned over time by great songs and albums. It feel like it's not entirely organic at this point.

Other than her late 00s/early 10s hits, she really hasn't had songs that captivated the country or world. She's had moments, of course. And she's rightfully a huge pop star. Not denying that.

But it almost feels like we've been forced to accept that she is the "best who ever did it". When our eyes and ears say "she's damn good. But she's not the best."

I'm not surprised she's struggling a bit (relatively speaking).

R27, it is so weird to me that many black people seem to genuinely believe Beyonce is as big as Michael Jackson. And they aren't just referring to pop culture influence either, they are talking about her popularity. There is no universe where that is close to being true at all. And, yes, we were ALWAYS told how great Beyonce was even when she hadn't even released a solo album yet. The ghost of Mathew Knowles lives on (yes, I know he's alive).

If you don't mind, r27, you pretty much speak for me.

I've nothing against Beyonce.

When Streisand received her Kennedy Center Honor, that's the first time Beyonce ever caught my attention because she got the plum gig of singing "The Way We Were".

I thought she was good singing there. But, for the life of me, I really don't get her stardom.

R27 I like Beyoncé and I agree with this. She had probably the earliest strongest most vicious fan base on social media and I think critics felt pressured into praising her for fear of backlash or racism or sexism or whatever.

All pop artists have rabid fanbases the press is scared of but Beyonce had the first.

Yeah - she JUST had a huge tour last year. Her country album was a gimmick - fine - but that's not what people want to see.

And they just saw your ass last year and paid a huge amount to do it - nobody is going to spend that money again so soon, particularly for country.

Her foray into C&W was cynical and badly executed. Real country fans didn’t buy it. Only her BeeHive diehards were onboard. I’ve never understood the need to canonize her the way her fanbase desires.

People are worried about the economy. No one is spending money.

I find it weird that she herself said her album was NOT a country album but her fans insisted it was racism for her album not to be nominated for country awards.

R10, her last album was a hit. Why should she "hang it up"?

R32, "real country fans" tend to prefer vocal racists like Morgan Wallen to actual black people

R19 gives himself away as a Log Cabin gay with the "DEI" comment.

R36 that might be true. Whatever the reason may be, they considered her to be fake. Remember these same fans almost revolted when Olivia Newton John won Country Music awards. They weren’t crazy about Taylor Swift. They totally ignored The Flying Burrito Brothers who were 100% country because they thought they were mocking country music in their Nudie suits. This ain’t about her skin color.

Her winning Album of the Year for that country shite was the end. People are like “enough of this bitch being forced on everyone as the greatest thing ever when it’s clear she’s mediocre at best.”

R38 - to be honest, I understand the criticism. Country music is a cultural thing - Southern or rural people primarily who listened to it their whole lives.

It feels like cultural tourism when other celebs decide to make a country album - I'm looking at YOU Gwen Stefani.

Beyonce's whole life has been urban, dance, R&B sounds. I don't care if she's from the South - she's not a country artist. Yes, you make a like a few country songs, but it's kinda ballsy to create a country album, particularly when it's not really that country.

Imagine a white male country singer doing an urban R&B album with some twang behind it and expecting black and rap fans to be behind it.

Now, can somebody explain all the Grammies? It's mystifying.

[quote] But it almost feels like we've been forced to accept that she is the "best who ever did it". When our eyes and ears say "she's damn good. But she's not the best."

Very astute observation and far kinder than necessary.

The media has indeed instructed the world that it must adore Beyoncé, whether you like it or not.

I don’t.

There has never been a more manufactured superstar than her. From the unspectacular music to the b.s. twenty writers per song, which always includes her for obvious publishing rights when everyone knows she didn’t do a damn thing other than “sing.” Then you have her hideous husband throwing bitch fits when she doesn’t win an award. Meanwhile, she has more Grammys than she knows what to do with. He just bullies people into voting for her and they guiltily oblige.

No outlet is more guilty than The New York Times with its breathless coverage of her, including that notorious editorial comparing her to a religion.

Utter bullshit.

I’m glad to see her tour is flopping. The utter hubris and greed that propelled her to these heights needs to be hobbled.

The empress has no clothes.

[quote]Now, can somebody explain all the Grammies? It's mystifying.

And then explain how her hideous daughter has a Grammy.

I had to look it up - she ended her last massive tour in Oct 2023. I know that's over 18 months ago - but it's still pretty recent.

Touring is grueling - why would you want to tour AGAIN like that? Too soon. Way too soon.

I don’t understand why the Queen decided to behave like a greedy hooker. The economy is fucked up and she just toured. The tickets should have never been broadly so high. I said what I said. Don’t get me Beyhive.

[quote] it is so weird to me that many black people seem to genuinely believe Beyonce is as big as Michael Jackson.

What’s even weirder is that Beyonce and Michael Jackson spent their entire careers working to appear as Caucasian as possible. Yet both are held up as the best of black entertainment.

R46 Beyoncé accentuates her beauty and is naturally light skin. You tried it.

It's a mini-tour. Only 32 shows in a handful of cities (multiple dates per city) over 3 months.

That's why she can't sell the tickets - she has 5 tour dates in LA, NJ, 6 in London - that's a lot of dates and tickets in the same city, for a country tour and places she just played a little over a year ago.

This was a dumb idea.

Just because you sing with a twang for one album, it doesn’t make it country music.

That said, the categories were created through the lens of race—stick black people in “R&B” and white people in Rock and Country

She could get out of it by faking a mysterious illness that "binds her to the ICU" the way Madonna did when her last Greatest HIts tour flopped in early ticket sales. Ironically, it was because the Material Girl didn't (and couldn't) compete with Bey and Taylor's massive stadium tours.

She just finished a big tour. Plus her fans don’t care about country music.

Is it cancer?

The white hair looks ugly on her

The Madonna "sudden illness" thing was diabolical. It was so obvious why she really pushed back her initial opening night.

[quote]Unlike Madonna and Mariah (since they've been mentioned), her career felt more foisted upon us by the critics than earned over time by great songs and albums. It feel like it's not entirely organic at this point.

She had a quirky, unique sound that was present on her early records and especially those with Destiny's Child. But her last few records just feel assembly line manufactured and more tailored to fit certain genres than anything really authentic. And for all the shit Mariah and Madonna get for regressing, Beyonce is just as guilty. She was putting much more mature stuff in her twenties than she is now. The lyrics have become incredibly juvenile for the most part. There are moments on her dance and country CD's that are good, but its not comparable to stuff like Irreplaceable or Crazy in Love.

Her fans are a huge part of the problem. There's not a fan base more rabid and more mean spirited. And for all the cries of racism, they go out of their way to minimize or negate the impact of other black artists when it comes to putting her on a pedestal. Black female R and B artists have been dabbling in country for ages now. Donna Summer even wrote a number one hit for Dolly Parton. But they're insistent on Beyonce being the only one and portraying her as knocking doors down.

This seems to be a recent thing where once big musical stars have a hard time coping with the fact that they're not at the same level of fame/popularity that they once were at.

Some stars become icons and with a careful curation of their career, they can remain icons. They figure out the best way to present themselves. Touring constantly worked great for The Greatful Dead but it doesn't work for every star. Beyonce or her team is greedy and think they can do a big tour cash grab all the time and...they can't. She is beloved but she doesn't have enough fans to warrant huge tours every other year.

Also: her fanbase is aging...which means they go to fewer and fewer shows.

There's also the stars who think they're still at stadium level or arena level when in reality, they're not. They don't like having to necessarily move down to summer festival level or big theater level.

So many won't just go away and enjoy the fortune they've made when the writing is so clearly on the wall...it's pretty ridiculous.

Am I the only person who finds her singing voice unpleasant? There's a shrill quality I find very off-putting.

R42, no one forced you to like her. A good sign of that is that you're trashing her right now

Maybe you don't like her but lots of other people do. She has plenty of platinum and multi-platinum singles and albums

Have you seen Mariah in concert lately? She barely moves and she looks like she’s wasted.

Anyone who thinks Beyonce is "the most manufactured" pop star ever must be really young. 🙄

R57 Beyonce is hardly at the "she just needs to retire and go away" stage...she's only 43.

All the "YAASSSS QUEEN!" gays on my social media act like she's a gift from God.

I don't.

[quote] [R57] Beyonce is hardly at the "she just needs to retire and go away" stage...she's only 43.

Grads her “stage age.” Everyone knows Beyoncé is at least 50.

Not even her age is authentic.

Menopausal cow.

LOL...it does feel like she's been around for 40 years.

[quote]Anyone who thinks Beyonce is "the most manufactured" pop star ever must be really young.

I wouldn't say she's the most manufactured. But she's one of the least interesting superstars.

Taylor Swift gives out drama for days. Adele has hysterical over the top moments. Beyonce does her job and that's it. That's why I don't get the hysterical, over the top adoration. No Mariah quirkiness. No Diana or Aretha diva antics. No Whitney realness.

Scanning Ticketmaster now and it does look like none of the shows are sold out. Collapse is imminent.

[quote] Have you seen Mariah in concert lately? She barely moves and she looks like she’s wasted.

I went to her holiday concert at State Farm Arena in Atlanta last November. Sold out crowd with people attending from other states. Between Mariah and the fantastic warm-up DJ, it was the most pure fun I’ve had at a concert in years. It was like a big holiday party and she was terrific. People dressed up in seasonal garb and everyone was on their feet the entire concert.

She does an huge medley of her non-holiday hits as well so it’s more than just the Christmas music. And it’s all terrific.

If she does a holiday tour this year - she will - I’ll be there again. Could not recommend more.

“That’s” not “grads.”

Mariah is lucky that she has a back catalog of hits she can fall back on and even phone it in on. Does Beyonce? Apart from Destiny’s Child and Crazy in Love and Drunk in Love and Single Ladies, what would a Beyonce Greatest Hits tour look like?

[quote]Have you seen Mariah in concert lately? She barely moves and she looks like she’s wasted.

She’s been like that since 1998.

[quote] Am I the only person who finds her singing voice unpleasant? There's a shrill quality I find very off-putting.

She has a foghorn voice like Katy Perry. Flat with almost no range.

She doesn’t so much sing as bellow. Nothing subtle going on there.

If Beyoncé didn’t have a nice face and couldn’t dance, she’d be lucky to get a Burger King jingle.

I know most of DL (and the world) will disagree with this, but I’ll take Katy over Beyonce ANY day. Katy just makes mindless, dance-pop music, and the world hates her for it. Meanwhile, Beyonce doesn’t even have hooks or pop music. It’s insisted it’s much more DEEP and RELEVANT than that, even when average people can’t figure out what the fuck these puffers are on about.

R55...I completely agree & have been saying something very similar since Beyonce announced her country effort, along with her intentions of schooling the rest of us on the true origins of the genre. Sure, Diana Ross, Natalie Cole, Donna Summer, Gladys Knight, Patti LaBelle & even Dionne Warwick have all recorded country songs throughout their catalogs. But I doubt any of Beyoncé's fans are aware of that. What makes them real hypocrites, however, is that while they were calling the country music establishment, and the rest of us, racists for not embracing Bey's CC album & her history lesson at face value there have been black female country artists desperate for all the support they threw behind this album. If they really wanted to get behind supporting black voices in country music there are years worth of artists who were begging for that calibre of support. None of this started with Darius Rucker, Shaboozy or even Beyoncé, but with grassroots black singer/songwriters over the last 10 years who've been working for recognition & country music success. The Beyhive or any self-righteous critic who went overboard defending Beyonce & her foray into country cared little for her presence or any other black artists in the genre. It was more about taking another hollow, performative, hubristic aim at the ever-oppressive white patriarchal establishment. To me, it was this transparent.

Beyonces chart “success” is all due to payola engineered by her husband. Nobody actually streams or listens to Beyoncé songs.

[quote]Katy just makes mindless, dance-pop music, and the world hates her for it.

That’s not true. They hate her for lots of other stuff, too.

R76, if Beyonce was there instead of Katy, we'd be reading 1000000 dissertations on how Beyonce is breaking ground for black women, how this is black excellence and how her feces will make space smell good, etc.

R77, precisely

Beyoncé’s career and acclaim is as authentic as her pregnancy.

Nothing is real about her.

R55 Beyoncé lyrics are way more mature now than they were in her 20s.

Whole lot a red in that white and blue. History can’t be erased.

I like my baby hair, with baby hair and Afro. I let my negro nose with Jackson 5 nostrils.

R77 The Queen would never be so pretentious you dumb cunt.

[quote] The Queen would never be so pretentious you dumb cunt.

"The Queen" would never be so prententious as to go into space? The same one who shot a music video in the Louvre with her husband?

I've heard she's somewhat mentally...dull.

R83, Wendy Williams said that.

And yet we see who today don’t know they mafuckin right from they left. When you talk that ignorant shit about black excellence without the receipts, the negative karma comes back to you tenfold.

She allegedly can’t read and appears mildly retarded.

She couldn’t write a random note much less a song.

I didn't hear it from Wendy Williams, r84. I can't recall where, but it was a different source, and not WW.

R27 nailed it. The media have overhyped Beyonce.

She stayed at the fair too long.

Wendy Williams always kept it real about Bouncy. I miss her presence in daytime media. It hasn’t been the same since. Now you have Jennifer Hudson, Sherri Shepherd and Tamron Hall giving softball interviews to celebrities and kissing their ass.

Texas Hold 'Em was a worldwide hit but Cowboy Carter doesn't feel like her. This is not peak material. Not a good era. Her hair is too white. She's not a country artist. Nobody needs or asked for this Jolene cover. The album cover looks similar to the last one, Renaissance. People were interested in Lemonade, it was more her story, then a victory lap of the Homecoming live album and Coachella.

Beyonce is....bland. She's "pretty" and has a "nice" voice. But, she's nothing very special.

Whitney flamed out and we needed a new pretty black diva and Beyonce fit the bill but she isn't as charismatic as Whitney and has half of Whitney's talent.

We'e actually due for a new young, pretty, classy black diva type. Not hoochy...we have plenty of those.

R91 Agreed. I’m still bummed THIS was the damn album that finally won her AOTY.

The album is incredible.

[QUOTE] [R19] gives himself away as a Log Cabin gay with the "DEI" comment.

And you give yourself away as the Trans Troll, the only scumbag on here who uses the phrase 'log cabin gay.'

It’s because she got greedy. She just pulled one of the most successful tours of all time then she charges these prices in this economy. Ho please. The Queen always learns from her mistake.

R92 Whitney was nowhere in the same league as Queen Bey with all them bland adult contemporary ballads that sound alike. Beautiful voice. Perhaps the most beautiful of all time. And her live technique for runs unmatched. But Beys music is much better.

Beyoncé doesn’t have any classic songs or albums comparable to Whitney, Teacunt/R97. Her discography is weak. Even Rihanna has a stronger catalog than Beyoncé at this point.

[quote]JLo’s music career in the states is dead - never forget the $8 ticket debacle - so she’s now reduced to touring Middle Eastern countries where oil sheiks will bid for her private services. At the rate her career is going, she might as well marry some shady foreign billionaire who will put up with her bullshit just to be able to take an occasional whiff of her enormous ass.

This honestly sounds exactly like Janet Jackson R24. Did you confuse the names?

I was reading the other day that she has launched a line of hair care products. Doesn’t she always wear huge wigs?

You tried it. Multiple media outlets not owned by the same corporate companies have deemed Lemonade amongst the greatest albums of all time. Whitney’s only 2 nominations for Album of the Year were both soundtracks. Yall are just aging. Sort of like when your parents bashed the Rolling Stones because they preferred Frank Sinatra. Don’t ever try it again.

R100 The Queen sometimes wears whole one pieces but rarely. Usually what she is wearing is a weave, which is sewn throughout her entire scalp to give her more body.

Crazy in Love - Irreplaceable - Formation - Love on Top - Break my Soul - Listen.

[quote]music career in the states is dead - never forget the $8 ticket debacle - so she’s now reduced to touring Middle Eastern countries where oil sheiks will bid for her private services.

I live in Italy and Jlo is playing at the Lucca summer music festival this year - on a Monday I think. I might have gone - but I opted to see the Pet Shop Boys instead, the night before.

R100 Speaking of wigs, Nappy I mean Nippy was the queen of them.

Did any of yall buy Whitney’s album during this era. Please be honest. And if not please explain why.

But first watch the vid.

I partly blame Jay-z’s drama from that racist Tony Buzbee affecting sales of some white fraus. Some not most. Damn degenerative white lying stanking bitch.

[quote] Multiple media outlets not owned by the same corporate companies have deemed Lemonade amongst the greatest albums of all time.

Who cares, Teacunt. Nobody talks about Lemonade. It’s not a classic or one of the greatest albums of all time. It’s been forgotten about a year after its release. Its streaming numbers are low and didn’t reach diamond status in sales (one of the key qualifiers of an album with cultural impact). “The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill” or “Jagged Little Pill” it ain’t.

[quote] Even Rihanna has a stronger catalog than Beyoncé at this point.

What do you mean even? Rihanna's the bigger artist. She's the third wealthiest musician in the world. She has 14 number-one singles, album sales estimated at 250 million units globally. (Beyonce has 9 #1s and 200M albums sold.)

r97 still cosplaying teafake

Why do people call her the queen? I would never think of her as the biggest or best female artist.

Taylor and Rihanna have sold more than Beyonce, who currently is the 4th best selling female artist of all time. However, she's about to drop to #5, as Ariana Grande will overtake her soon.

LEMONADE was a great album but isn’t an era she can revisit because the whole message of it is about moving on from a betrayal.

This was also the issue with COWBOY CARTER. The songs are good but people are tired of her singing about Jay-Z cheating on her. She’s been doing it for 15 years and it’s hard to keep selling a “I’m a badass queen” message when you’re simultaneously always talking about your hideous husband stepping out on you over and over. The “Jolene” cover was a mistake for this reason, especially since her interpretation of it is completely blaming the other woman in her scenario. Even her most ardent fans do not want to hear this anymore. RENAISSANCE did well partly because it was a concept album that had nothing to do with this theme.

I can't stand her voice, race to change the station if any of her songs come on, "All the Single Ladies" makes me want to stab people around me, and I'm SICK of her and her husband. I don't think she's especially talented, and I agree with many on here that she's purely manufactured. Add in the fake pregnancy (pillowgate) and she really just needs to go away.

Oh yeah, and now having her daughter shoved down our throats as well. ENOUGH ALREADY.

She's another very, very lucky person. Pretty girls like her are a dime a dozen.

[quote]...and Madonna. You ladies had amazing careers. Don’t let us remember you as being pathetic.

Madonna just completed a sell-out 81 date world tour, including the final Rio show that set the record for most attended solo concert attendance ever at 1.6+ million. Say what you want of her, but the woman has been the most consistent big female touring act of the last 4+ decades. So much for 'pathetic'.

[quote] the way Madonna did when her last Greatest HIts tour flopped in early ticket sales

False. Madonna was selling so well she added dates (started with 35, ended in total with 81). The illness actually had a negative effect on sales afterward, due to necessary rescheduling. All venues were full in the end though.

R108 Everybody talks about it Lemonade in my circle. Is it Thriller NO. Is it an Oscar nominated film. Yes. I’ll let you figure out what that means.

Beyoncé’s Thriller was Single Ladies Put a Ring on It.

Bet money that Beyonce is the only pop artist born since 1980 mentioned in Orson Welles future 100 years from now. I can just feel it.

R112 Sza is more popular than Britney Spears according to that list. My best friend has some red neck elders in the nursing home who never heard of a fucking Sza.

Thriller was imaginative, something we'd never heard or seen before.

Single Ladies/Put a Ring on It was about a woman whining that a man needs to marry her or else (or something along those lines, who cares?)...it's so everyday/pedestrian/stupid.

They aren't even in the same category. And I'm not particularly a Michael Jackson fan, either.

r118, are you for fucking real? Delusional, party of 1, your table is ready!

R112 that's not even close to an accurate depiction of anything. For the love of god, quit posting that nonsense!

Pedo Jackson should be put away and never spoken of.

As the Queen said.

“My success cannot be quantified”

She is the Socrates of pop music. Deal.

R110 What do you mean. Thats the real me. Thats not one of my phonies.

I will conceit that the Queen wasn’t as charismatic as Nippy. But then again, she doesn’t do two lines of coke then go out on Leno’s couch. I said what I said.

Beyonce is 43. Whitney was a red-eyed crackle-voiced crack addict at that age, just four years away from death.

Wow, so Billie Eilish has sold more records than Madonna. Am I the only one shocked by this?

Whitney's Superbowl performance of The Star-Spangled Banner is remembered more than any single thing Beyonce has done.

R127, only if you count downloaded singles as "records"

R109, she's the third wealthiest artist because of her shitty makeup line, not because of anything connected to music

Folks are exhausted from Beyonce. She thinks her shit dont stink. And she should never have been given a country music award.

Yeah I don’t think streaming numbers should ever be compared to album sales before streaming existed. It gives a very false sense of cultural impact. No pop artist who emerged in the streaming era is anywhere near as famous or impactful as Madonna was during her peak, and her peak was nearly two decades long.

R95 is just mad at being exposed as a Trump voter. Have you ever heard a smart person use "DEI" to slam black people? The only people who do that are racist rednecks who drive around with Confederate flag bumper stickers. And Trump's cabinet. They're obsessed with "DEI"

R130 Bullshit. Rihanna will go down as a much more significant artist than Beyonce.

[quote] Bet money that Beyonce is the only pop artist born since 1980 mentioned in Orson Welles future 100 years from now. I can just feel it.

Considering she was born in 1973, that’s quite a feat.

R130 Touche but Rih still would be worth about 200 mil if not for Fenty beauty.

Please don’t mention Cheetolini on any Queen’s thread. It’s disrespectful.

Teacake you're really not doing yourself or your "Queen" any favours in these threads. Do you really think, with your insistence, the entirety of DL is suddenly going to exclaim "Oh you were right all along! Beyoncé is the greatest of all time! How wrong we were! I was deaf but now I can hear!"?

All you're doing is making people dislike her, like that Janet Jackson obsessive.

I like her music but Rihanna is not a great vocalist, dancer or performer and I wouldn’t really compare the two, especially since Rihanna has left music and doesn’t seem to have any plans to go back.

R138 ok ok. You’ve convinced me, you British bloke.

R139 = Sia.

"Jay Z, book me a ticket on that penis rocket thing."

[quote] I will conceit that the Queen wasn’t as charismatic as Nippy. But then again, she doesn’t do two lines of coke then go out on Leno’s couch. I said what I said.

You have some nerve mocking Whitney about her drug addiction when you’ve admitted numerous times of being a major cokehead yourself, Teacunt.

R143 I have never stated it like that. I’ve struggled with addiction. But I’m just saying. Whitney was doing coke since she was on the cover of seventeen magazine as a model, and not famous singer. You guys should watch the Whitney documentary. It’s really good.

Single Ladies is about men wanting milk without buying the farm you dumb tool. It’s a club anthem celebrating monogamy.

r101 (and your dozens of other posts here) - nothing personal, but you write like someone who didn't get past middle school. You clearly have access to a computer and internet. Are you aware of free English and writing classes?

You tried it?

What's incredible about Rihanna is that she has not released any real music since 2016 but she destroys Beyonce on Spotify. Since 2016, Beyonce released 3 albums. You'd think she'd be way more popular on Spotify than she is considering how hyped she is, but no. I realize her music was pulled from Spotify for Tidal but it's been years since her catalogue returned. As of today, Rihanna literally gets double Beyonce's streams. That's wild.

R146 Nah where they be at? I was told ain’t nothing free in this country.

R147 Ho please. Rihanna released about 9 albums in a decade. I think just recently the Queen finally matched her album count.

This is my last comment on this petty thread but it should be pointed out that my very first comment here compared The Queen to a greedy hooker. You just toured and inflation is off the hook. Mafuckin nosebleed seats going for the same price as the #2 cheeseburger meal. Where they do that at 😂. Beyoncé knows goddam well she should have been more modest.

R149, she has not released anything since 2016. Common sense would suggest the artist still releasing hit albums would get stronger numbers on Spotify. But Beyonce doesn't.

r145 Semantics. It's a dumb, annoying song and with it, she added nothing but some bitch-ass, whiny (not to mention repetitive) anthem that almost half the people I know can't stand and want to throw something when it comes on.

But why am I blaming her? She probably just added a few words here and there and then PRESTO! she's the writer of the song. If she's Queen of anything, it's got to be artifice.

R151 From like 2004 to 2014, Rihanna released 7 albums. The Queen only released three. Additionally, a significant portion of the Queen’s fanbase are older Millenials and young Gen X. They don’t stream. They buy. Or listen on YouTube.

Common sense.

[quote] The Queen only released three

According to wikipedia, she released five. Additionally, despite having hit singles early on, Rihanna's albums weren't big until her third (Good Girl Gone Bad)). Beyonce's first album was a huge success and it was released in 2003. You'd expect her to be getting similar or slight less streams than Rihanna. You would NOT expect someone who released their last album almost 10 years ago to be getting DOUBLE Beyonce's streams.

I want to fuck Rihanna. Like seriously.

Correction--Beyonce released five from 2003 to 2014. Rihanna released seven. A difference, sure. But if Beyonce is as big as the hype, you'd expect someone known as "the queen" to be getting the same or more streams than Rihanna.

Why hasn’t Beyoncé been able to have success as an actress? She’s so wooden and the charisma she has on stage doesn’t translate to films.

Rihanna has an edge to her. A certain X-factor thing in her voice and style. Beyonce doesn't have such imo. She's more like a cult figure. Even her nickname "Queen Bee (Bey)" is just so unimaginative. We get it. Your name's first syllable is a Bee and you're supposedly a queen and therefore, your fans are the Bee Hive. *Snooze*

R157 All her films have been successful though, she just stopped doing them. The Lion King made over a billion dollars.

“Simbah come home”

The Lion King was not "her" film.

r158, Camille Paglia is a crank but she was right when she pointed out the big difference between Rihanna's sexiness vs Beyonce. She said that Rihanna seems much more laidback and someone you could imagine yourself having fun with. Beyonce? Not so much.

Country music just isn’t that appealing Even When Beyoncé does it

Rihanna is cooler than Beyonce. She's mysterious too. We're not really forced to think about her personal life too much. Not sure how much of that is by design.

Rihanna is cooler but she likes her drugs. Both ladies really struggle with their weight.

Rihanna's songs are far catchier and edgier than Beyonce's as well. And she knew when to quit, for performers it can be hard giving up the limelight.

Beyonce's management has bad taste in songs/singles.

To be frank, Beyonce it the ShortBus Superstar.

[quote] Why hasn’t Beyoncé been able to have success as an actress?

That whole “reading scripts” issue keeps getting in the way.

The bitch can’t.

I thought Beyonce was good in Dream Girls.

She was ok in Dreamgirls because she was playing Diana Ross...the original Beyonce.

I will say Beyoncé has a beautiful smile that sucks you in and looks absolutely authentic.

Beautiful eyes as well, at least when she was younger, and nice golden skin. Jay Z was always punching.

She was pretty good as Etta James in CADILLAC RECORDS.

Same issue most pop stars have with acting, generally, though. Once you create that larger than life cartoon persona, it’s hard for audiences to believe you as anyone else. There are some rare exceptions of good performances but usually they involve the person playing a character who is also a pop star (Gaga in A STAR IS BORN, J-Lo in SELENA).

I like Beyonces voice when she isn’t doing the guttural noise but I only enjoy four of her songs and it seems like she has about 100. Rhianna has a shitty voice but I like almost every song—and she is prettier.

R172 Oh, my God, no. She was AWFUL as Etta James. Even Etta's family members said Beyonce's portrayal was nothing like the real Etta.

And from a physical standpoint, Etta was kind of short and squat. At that time, Beyonce was tall and thinner and statuesque.

Beyonce has the same problem when it comes to acting that Madonna has. When you watch her, she looks like she's telling herself, "Try to make it look like I'm not acting," which makes it look exactly like she's acting.

R127 Mariah gave a really good performance of a social worker in Precious. I liked her even in Glitter. But Precious gave me the whole "Wait a sec. That's Mariah???" reaction.

Oops! Let me try that again.

r172 Mariah gave a really good performance of a social worker in Precious. I liked her even in Glitter. But Precious gave me the whole "Wait a sec. That's Mariah???" reaction.

J Lo was an actress long before she was a singer. Better at acting than singing to be fair.

On a different day I'd say I like some of Beyonce's songs quite a bit.

[quote] Why hasn’t Beyoncé been able to have success as an actress?

When it comes to being a movie star, you either have it or you don't. And I'm not talking about acting ability, although you need to be able to carry a movie.

Patti LuPone was right when she called Madonna a "movie killer." She had no onscreen charisma or likability. Beyonce just comes across as dumb and flat onscreen. It's wild because they both have so much charisma onstage, but it doesn't translate at all to a 30x60 foot movie screen.

Compare that to Streisand, Ariana Grande, Cher, Gaga and Midler who are charismatic supernovas onscreen. Some women can just light up a screen, but you cannot teach it.

Cafsgg egegg titudhx.

R177 If you notice the singers who were previously known for bad acting when they do deliver a good performance it’s from an acclaimed director. Beyoncé needs to hook up with Spike Lee. She was competent in Dreamgirls, it’s just the final act of the film falls apart to me. Her best performance is Goldmember.

She’s a limited talent mercilessly pushed by her grasping parents. And yes r182 she peaked with Foxy Cleopatra.

I agree with you, R180, though I’d be inclined to put Midler in the same camp as Beyoncé and Madonna. Without a very strong director, on film, you can really see Midler counting steps, too. All three of them are true show ponies on stage (or were in Madonna’s case), but I think that often comes with a studied quality that reads flat on film.

Streisand, Carey and Grand can often feel surprisingly tentative and inhibited as live performers, but really crackle in their film outings.

Gaga is very Liza Minnelli to me - she’s good-to-great, but I’d only ever cast her in things that are served by that “love me, love me!” neediness or in something archly comedic like Arrested Development.

Jennifer Lopez is a good-but-not-great natural actress within her range and a sexy and charismatic stage performer, but a weak singer with none of the distinctiveness of Madonna or Rihanna and she’s hampered by terrible taste.

For all the jokes Cher took back in the day, I think she’s the most successful pop diva-actress of all time.

[quote] Gaga is very Liza Minnelli to me - she’s good-to-great, but I’d only ever cast her in things that are served by that “love me, love me!” neediness or in something archly comedic like Arrested Development.

Same, she and Minneli both give off major theatre kid energy, but Minnelli had more of a glamour to her, probably due to being the daughter of Hollywood royalty and her appearance (she wouldn't be out of place in a 1920s movie).

Anyone who says Beyonce is minimally talented is obviously just hating. Even if you don’t care for the music to not acknowledge her musical diversity and talent is just insulting. Like have you seen the Homecoming documentary.

That’s a very accurate comparison of Gaga to Liza actually. Very spot on. I’ll add Liza seemed more glamorous because she was actually very attractive when young. Gaga has always just been ok looking.

[quote] Gaga has always just been ok looking.

She is actually better looking now, I thought she was genuinely ugly at the beginning which is why she wore all those crazy masks and costumes.

Also Rihanna has released music since her 2016 studio album, including helming the soundtrack for Black Panther 2. All those features and one off singles contribute to streaming numbers.

Nicki Minaj’s streaming is a lot higher than artists more popular than her because urban/hip-hop acts release so much music when you include all there features and collaboration tracks. The real signifier is that Taylor’s numbers are significantly higher than her nearest competition. That is meaningful, not an arbitrary cumulation of streaming totals.

[quote] Anyone who says Beyonce is minimally talented is obviously just hating. Even if you don’t care for the music to not acknowledge her musical diversity and talent is just insulting. Like have you seen the Homecoming documentary.

No, what the fuck is the "Homecoming" documentary, and why would I have watched it if I don't care for Beyonce? I've never even heard of it.

Beyonce is a fucking show pony - that's what you don't realize. Wind her up and watch her go! She's like an AI Real Doll...there's really nothing there but what she's programmed to do.

[quote] Beyonce is a fucking show pony - that's what you don't realize. Wind her up and watch her go! She's like an AI Real Doll...there's really nothing there but what she's programmed to do.

On the money description.

Everything about her is manufactured. It doesn’t seem like there’s an original thought that pops into her mind. The fact they hide her from the press further raises suspicion that she’s so limited that they fear any creative questions could blow her circuitry.

She’s really not that different than a blender or a can opener. Only people have use for those appliances.

The resistance to Beyoncé and its pushback reminds me of Shadeur Sanders and the NFL. You can’t just tell everyone that a performer and/or athlete is outstanding if their eyes and ears tell them something different. Beyoncé has JayZ behind her, just like Shadeur has daddy Prime Time. Eventually, the customer makes the choice and if the product ain’t up to standards, they’ll move on.

R139 what an absurd comparison. Beyoncé has been in the industry over 20 years. This is even a flop a flop, just underperformance of a mini tour after she just completed a world tour 2 years ago. Some of yall just love to hate the Queen.

It’s the economy stupid.

I actually like her, but I feel like with Beyoncé there’s a whole politburo around her straightjacketing her into being an “Artiste” who is part Grace Jones, part Sade, part Anita Baker, part Kate Bush, part Kate Middleton and part Queen of Wakanda - and I feel like the OG Beyoncé, the big ol’ country girl in the tacky getups designed by her mom, is actually (and endearingly) who she really is.

Bombing before it even begins? This is Madonna 2023 territory.

r194 it's not the economy. Plenty of people in our country will pay money to go see their favorite artist, to the point of maxing out their credit cards/borrowing from Peter to pay Paul. People are pretty self-serving and will expend funds on things that others may see as frivolous, like over-priced concert tickets, DisneyWorld, etc.

What it really is - it's that people are just not that into her anymore. She's worn out her welcome. She's like that kid in the neighborhood who is constantly on your doorstep, asking if you want Girl Scout Cookies, or whether you will sponsor her in the Walk-A-Thon, or donate to help her go on the class trip to Fiji, or will buy chocolate bars to help the band get new uniforms...you get the picture.

People are sick of her/over it.

R185 I agree about Gaga's theater kid vibes. I think she even happily owns that! Her Coachella set was all theater and it totally worked in that medium.

But I watched the god awful Joker 2 movie recently and I was rather surprised by her performance. I assumed she would be terrible. But she wasn't at all. She was subdued and quiet yet anger and crazy was percolating just below the surface. A very layered performance. Frankly, she was the only bright spot for me and I think she was vastly underused in the film.

Made me think maybe Gaga could be a truly fantastic actress if she commits to it.

Begonce is just not that interesting.

[QUOTE] you notice the singers who were previously known for bad acting when they do deliver a good performance it’s from an acclaimed director.

Agree. Harry Styles' first film was second lead in Dunkrik. Christopher Nolan coaxed a good performance out of him but he was mediocre in Don't Worry Darling and My Policeman.

R117 I wish Mariah would do more acting. That performance in Precious was against type and she delivered a very convincing, moving performance. You actually forget that this is superstar diva Mariah Carey in that role.

Sorry, I meant R177

R198 Agreed. I keep telling people, Gaga is an excellent actress. People just want to be cunty about a mainstream pop star being so good on film because we’ve become so cynical about pop stars and “authenticity”. Authenticiyy is equated with intelligence. And we expect our actors to be intelligent.

I would be shocked if Beyoncé even knew how to write a check. She seems like she would need help navigating a crosswalk.

I guess they feed her lyrics through an earpiece due to the illiteracy. Such a terrible role model for today’s youth.

R180 I see what you did there. Gaga is not a movie star and never will be.

Maybe it’s a good time for her to turn in her cowgirl hat for an astronaut’s helmet and blast off to Mars to record her next album and shoot its video there (?). 🛸

Supposedly her next album is going to be Rock/Funk. Who but Bey could do this. So much damn soul.

I got a notification on my phone earlier today from Harper’s Bazaar or some such saying that there was still time to get beyawnce tix for as low as 40 bucks.🤣😂

She's very unoriginal.

r207 Lol

She should just do something at the sphere in Vegas...3 or 4 shows a week of all her hits

R83 I'll never forget this campaign video where Beyoncé wrote a letter to Michelle Obama that appeared, at best, to be written by a 12 year old. My favorite part is when she uses "u" instead of "you." In a letter to the First Lady!

Beyoncé comes across as dumb and robotic. That’s why she can’t act.

R207-“So much soul”…in her team of 50 that do everything for her except sing/perform the songs.

She’s a child star essentially and they’re barely educated. Michael Jackson, Bieber, and Britney all have the same issues.

[quote] I'll never forget this campaign video where Beyoncé wrote a letter to Michelle Obama that appeared, at best, to be written by a 12 year old. My favorite part is when she uses "u" instead of "you." In a letter to the First Lady!

I’m sure it took several crayons for her to properly convey her deep, sincere sentiments. 🖍️

[quote] She’s a child star essentially and they’re barely educated.

At 50, she has no excuse not being able to read. Does her hideous husband keep her locked away like Rapunzel to keep her from gaining knowledge and independence? It sounds like a hostage situation.

R201...I think Mariah Carey got so much applause for her roll in Precious merely because of the presentation. But it's not a huge stretch for an actress to remove her make-up & deliver lines with no expression at all.

"Cowboy Carter" sounds childish, and everything I've heard from the album (2 songs) struck me as dirge-like in her ponderous voice.

It’s too bad she never learned to read.

Would Michelle Obama really idolize someone of her stature who was illiterate. Get real.

Her voice is like an expensive wine. Better with every passing year. So beautiful here.

Opening night yall.

r222 "like an expensive wine"

BWA HA HA HA, Omg

Beyonce has had 9 #1 hits. Count em. 9. The combined total playtime of these songs is approximately 30 minutes and 48 seconds.

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r224 Cool- and?

And that’s just the number ones. A song can be hit without ever reaching number one. Halo and If I were a Boy never reach number one in the states but are amongst her signature songs.

The daughter at R225 looks even more miserable than the older one.

r227 Ok

Looks like things are going downhill fast:

[quote] Beyoncé's first night of Cowboy Carter tour descends into chaos as fight erupts in VIP lounge at SoFi Stadium

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Beyoncé is the epitome of mediocrity and greed. She never should have allowed her parents to fire her voice coach. She stopped using him with the end result that her voice is sometimes warbly and off-key. But her parents were so impatient and fucking greedy that they couldn’t wait until she was properly trained. I have heard cruise ship entertainers sing better than her.

Back to back tours was a terrible idea.

Taylor Swift has gone quiet and probably won’t tour again for at least a couple of years.

R231 Is Beyonce performing on Carnival Cruises? 🚢

R232 She has never sounded off key. Ever.

R236 Say again?

I have seen her 13-year-old daughter dance and exposing and sexualizing a child like that is pretty icky. Is she that desperate?

R238 Hey, shakin' my ass and thrustin' my cooter at age 13 for daddy's showbiz friends got me to where I am today. Ain' nuthin' wrong with that.

The COMPLETE GHETTO TRASH in her concert VIP lounge is just appalling and telling.

What exactly is ghetto about Beyonce. I mean she can be ghetto fabulous. But ghetto ghetto?

I am referring to her "VIP" concert audience, not Beyonce. Reading skills?

So I can expect another generation of Carters to take the spotlight? Spare us

r242 You think r241 can read? It can barely write.

😂 O look another e-warrior.

She needs to stop prancing the Jay Z spawns on stage. It’s hurting ticket sales

I doubt that. Most people are entranced how well her kid can dance

[quote] Most people are entranced how well her kid can dance

They really aren't--she has no rhythm.

NBC is weighing in….the collapse is imminent!

North West is a much cuter kid than Beyonce's kid. And she's making bank on Tik Tok.

I actually think Blue Ivy looks much better than Beyonce nowadays. She really looked like Jay Z when she was younger but she's starting to look way better as time goes on.

R249 Her face and neck are looking every second of her 51 years.

Gravity fools no one.

Yes, North West is cute and has a name that is never not hilarious.

R251 I've invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in surgeries and procedures to make sure she didn't end up looking like that gargoyle I married.

R248 Are you saying that to just to say that. I’m a dancer. That little kid has rhythm. I wouldn’t just say that because it’s pre-teen black child. She has a lot of rhythm actually. If she were stiff I would admit it.

She's just going through the motions here

r247 lol

The definition of mediocrity

I can’t imagine spending an evening with a bunch of low-rent Beyonce fans who paid $40 for a clearance ticket listening to that garbage noise while she dances around in a cowboy hat.

Thankfully, her career is rolling downhill like a mudslide of shit so it won’t be long before she’s an oldies act no one cares about.

No surprise the NYTIMES loves her show.

I think the desecration of the Louvre was the beginning of the end. It was painfully, criminally clear that Beyonce would never escape her own tackiness and self-importance. And I kind of like her and rooted for her several times in her career. She's a dumb bitch, but pretty and talented in her way, and I don't think any of managers and co-creators have served her well.