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British film and television with black and white couples, why is this so prevalent?

My partner and I were talking about this earlier and it isn’t just common but seems rudimentary. In nearly every Brit/UK produced film or TV show there is almost always a couple where one is black and one is white, whether they’re straight or gay/lesbian. I don’t have any issue with it I’m just honestly curious why it’s so omnipresent. I don’t see a lot of Asian/black or Asian/white couples, or Latin white/black. Is there any story around that?

by Anonymousreply 166April 28, 2025 1:30 PM

Indians in the UK marry each other, same as Pakistanis. Not so for black Brits, so this quite common in real life as well, it's not just a TV thing.

by Anonymousreply 1April 20, 2025 1:34 PM

The UK has one of the highest rates of racial intermarriages

by Anonymousreply 2April 20, 2025 1:35 PM

“I’m just curious” haha

by Anonymousreply 3April 20, 2025 1:51 PM

Jules and Mimi, it’s my thing, let it go..

by Anonymousreply 4April 20, 2025 1:53 PM

R2, I had no idea, which maybe explains a lot

by Anonymousreply 5April 20, 2025 1:58 PM

I see lots of mixed race couples in real life too. Mixed race people have the best skin in my opinion.

by Anonymousreply 6April 20, 2025 1:58 PM

Yeah, I didn't know that either, r5, and I noticed it the way OP did. I believe him on "I'm just curious. "

by Anonymousreply 7April 20, 2025 2:06 PM

DEI.

by Anonymousreply 8April 20, 2025 2:54 PM

[quote] and it isn’t just common but seems rudimentary.

Your stupidity is perfectly emblematic of the type of idiot who is overly concerned with this supremacist nonsense.

Stop using words you don’t understand, OP.

by Anonymousreply 9April 20, 2025 2:56 PM

I thought there were rules about including POC in all British TV and movies. That includes historical dramas where doing that makes little to no sense.

by Anonymousreply 10April 20, 2025 3:11 PM

OP is right, almost every couple and family on UK TV seem to be mixed race. And as for the adverts, you rarely see two white parents or just two white friends. They are obsessed with diversity, 3 mobile ads always feature say two gay males, lesbian couple, black father white mother and mixed kids, red headed kids. This became very noticeable straight after the George Floyd murder. The next years BAFTA TV awards may just as well have been called a BLM special, as fantastic highly praised shows and actors were overlooked for black actors, or shows with black actors featured.

It is definitely a thing and it’s been around for a while now. Even Sir Trevor Philips, a black politician, writer and broadcaster, said that black people are hugely over represented on British TV.

by Anonymousreply 11April 20, 2025 3:24 PM

[quote] I see lots of mixed race couples in real life too. Mixed race people have the best skin in my opinion.

R6 Why would mixed race couples have the best skin?

by Anonymousreply 12April 20, 2025 3:33 PM

R11 why would that bother you? Other than the obvious.

by Anonymousreply 13April 20, 2025 3:36 PM

Commercials in the US have lots of interracial couples now, usually black/white couples.

by Anonymousreply 14April 20, 2025 3:43 PM

3% of the British population is black but watching British tv shows you would think it's around 30%

by Anonymousreply 15April 20, 2025 3:44 PM

R13 I'm not R11 but things like that bother me because it's virtue signaling rather than a representation of reality. To be honest, entertainment media needs to offer various true versions of reality, rather than some homogenized fake reality where there is always a mix of races in every workplace, group of friends, etc. It's just as bad as the old way.

by Anonymousreply 16April 20, 2025 3:47 PM

[quote]This became very noticeable straight after the George Floyd murder. The next years BAFTA TV awards may just as well have been called a BLM special,

What the fuck has that to do with *British* TV/films/commercials?

JFC on a cracker.

by Anonymousreply 17April 20, 2025 3:51 PM

[quote] It's just as bad as the old way.

But let me guess, you never posted about the old way complaining about it ;)

R16 advertising is not representative of reality. Who cares. Companies are trying to reach every market so they include every market. Admitting that this gets to you is just acknowledging certain weird ideas you have in your head.

by Anonymousreply 18April 20, 2025 3:53 PM

The groups of friends are always ridiculous, at least in the US. Every group of friends has to be totally diverse - Asian, Black, White and Latino. This is actually pretty rare in reality, even in places like NYC and LA. Not saying that people of different races aren't friends, of course, but a group of friends that is perfectly curated with every race represented is not very common at all.

by Anonymousreply 19April 20, 2025 3:56 PM

R18 You know, it's just an ad hominem attack on me because I stated the obvious, that this does not represent reality--hinting that I'm a racist. That way you never actually have to look at the situation. It's very easy to go along with the status quo, which I'm sure you do about everything. Then years later when reality catches up to you, you've just gone on to virtue signal about something else, and never acknowledge you may have been wrong about anything.

by Anonymousreply 20April 20, 2025 4:12 PM

[quote] That way you never actually have to look at the situation.

R20 Why would anyone need to look at it? The presence of minority people in advertising has zero real life implications. You never answered my question, did you ever post about white couples on tv bothering you when they were artificially over-represented?

by Anonymousreply 21April 20, 2025 4:16 PM

r21 it does smack of social engineering and "we know what's best." It's heavy-handed and patronizing.

by Anonymousreply 22April 20, 2025 4:21 PM

R21 I don't know if I "posted," since I probably didn't post about anything then, but I didn't like it when white people were over-repesented on TV. I protested for myuniversity to divest in South Africa because of racial inequality there. I've done other things like that. Just curious, what have you done? What makes you so self righteous? Because you post about things on a forum? How brave.

by Anonymousreply 23April 20, 2025 4:25 PM

So you're worried it will lead to more interracial marriage?

by Anonymousreply 24April 20, 2025 4:26 PM

London and Birmingham are 13% and 10% black, respectively. The entire country is very white but not the cities where many of these shows take place, r15.

Similar to how an NYC show might have a Jewish character or a Puerto Rican character even though both these demographics are scarce in your shithole town.

by Anonymousreply 25April 20, 2025 4:26 PM

They may have sold us slaves, but Brits always saw them as soul bearing people.

They never outlawed interracial marriage.

They have much less baggage religiously and culturally.

Race is a culturally defined construct.

MAGA is a culture that celebrated only blue-eyed people.

by Anonymousreply 26April 20, 2025 4:27 PM

R22 who gives a fuck honestly. Nobody’s forcing you to watch. Do something less likely to raise your bp than be forced to look at black people lol.

by Anonymousreply 27April 20, 2025 4:28 PM

R23 there are plenty other areas where white people are overrepresented in the last decade surely you can point to a thread where you left a comment decrying it, since it clearly bothers you so much! Politics / education / industries etc etc etc. plenty of opportunities for you. I won’t hold my breath ;)

by Anonymousreply 28April 20, 2025 4:30 PM

Shot out to Jules & Mimi!

by Anonymousreply 29April 20, 2025 4:30 PM

Forced multiculturalism OP, wokeness ideology and insanity, and a desire to completely destroy the host country.

by Anonymousreply 30April 20, 2025 4:33 PM

This is a fantastic thread to spot the true, gutter feeding cunts of DL, btw.

by Anonymousreply 31April 20, 2025 4:33 PM

"a desire to completely destroy the host country."

Please explain exactly how having mixed-race couples in commercials will lead to this.

We're waiting.

by Anonymousreply 32April 20, 2025 4:36 PM

Doesn’t the UK entertainment industry have a quota about a.certain percentage of people onscreen being people of color?

by Anonymousreply 33April 20, 2025 4:37 PM

R33 No

by Anonymousreply 34April 20, 2025 4:37 PM

[Quote] because it's virtue signaling rather than a representation of reality.

The bigots so triggered by couples who aren’t straight and white usually say exactly this. Then they watch their spy or crime dramas with unstoppable protagonists, fantasy programs with dragons, superhero movies, and zombie shows.

All part of the culture wars shutters they so happily wear willingly. All they see is what rightwing media wants them to see, and then endlessly, monotonously complain about on social media. The real problems and inequities facing working class people aren’t even on the radar screen for them. It’s “look he’s BLACK and she’s WHITE!!!” and that’s all they care about.

by Anonymousreply 35April 20, 2025 4:41 PM

R35 Do they really? That makes me unhappy because I'm not one of them.

You seem intent on calling people names and otherwise alienating them, though.

by Anonymousreply 36April 20, 2025 5:01 PM

R35, you sound unhinged dear. Please, take your pills and lay back down.

by Anonymousreply 37April 20, 2025 5:03 PM

See how triggered they get by being exposed? Thats part of it too. 👆

I love the one who thinks it’s “unrealistic” that people with different skin hues might be attracted to each other, but is offended by “name calling.” Your shutters fit perfectly, dear!

by Anonymousreply 38April 20, 2025 5:06 PM

R38 You're conflating different posters, sweetheart.

[quote] Then they watch their spy or crime dramas with unstoppable protagonists, fantasy programs with dragons, superhero movies, and zombie shows.

I'm confused who you think watches these things. Maybe I'm just confused.

by Anonymousreply 39April 20, 2025 5:10 PM

[quote] entertainment media needs to offer various true versions of reality, rather than some homogenized fake reality

There is only one reality. There are not “various true versions” of reality. There are facts not “alternative facts”. Entertainment itself is, by its nature, not a version of reality but a reflection of it. Entertainment IS “fake reality”.

by Anonymousreply 40April 20, 2025 5:15 PM

My only issue is colorblind casting in period pieces of established stories like Jane Austen or Charlotte Brontë. “Bridgerton” is fine as that’s just contemporary and whatever.

I’m not going to protest against it but you wouldn’t have a white person play Kunta Kinte or Sethe. I hope you wouldn’t.

by Anonymousreply 41April 20, 2025 5:15 PM

Britain doesn't have anymore interracial marriages than the US, they just want you to believe they do, due to the immense GUILT they have, see the article, it's about the same, they just shove it up your ass all the fucking time. Slave trade anyone? Slave cotton anyone? You will not get over that ever, stupid colonial cunts.

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by Anonymousreply 42April 20, 2025 5:23 PM

R40 I must have put it badly. I guess I meant various aspects of real life. In other words, for example, I work in a place with19 other people. Everyone who works there is white, at the moment. If a TV show were made based on my workplace, it would not be depicted that way. If I wanted to write a show based on my exact workplace, a lot of other races would have to be inserted into the story for it to be acceptable to TV.

I don't see why that's necessary, as long as there are various representations, on various other shows, of other races. But it shouldn't look like a quota has been imposed on every show. Which does happen and makes TV seem homogenous.

by Anonymousreply 43April 20, 2025 5:27 PM

Some call it “virtue signaling”.

I call it aspirational representation of a world in which decent people want to live.

by Anonymousreply 44April 20, 2025 5:28 PM

[quote] anymore

by Anonymousreply 45April 20, 2025 5:28 PM

[quote] Which does happen and makes TV seem homogenous.

So diversity = homogenous and a bunch of only white people = heterogenous lmao.

[quote] I work in a place with19 other people. Everyone who works there is white

Natch.

by Anonymousreply 46April 20, 2025 5:32 PM

UK here. I’m in my late 50s, and a lot of the kids I went to school with were mixed heritage. This was in the 1970s and 80s, so it’s not a new phenomenon. The only people who get worked up about seeing this represented on TV must live in a Tommy Robinson fantasy land.

by Anonymousreply 47April 20, 2025 5:42 PM

[Quote] [R38] You're conflating different posters, sweetheart

🤡

by Anonymousreply 48April 20, 2025 6:05 PM

R46

An "ad hominem" attack, or fallacy, is a form of argument that criticizes the person making an argument, rather than addressing the argument itself. It's a logical fallacy because it relies on irrelevant personal attacks to discredit an argument, rather than engaging with its merits. The goal is often to avoid addressing the actual issue at hand by shifting the focus to the person's character or beliefs

by Anonymousreply 49April 20, 2025 6:07 PM

R49 yes girl I’m questioning your motivation. Thank you for the boring copypasta tho. The motivation of trolls in these sorts of threads is worthwhile calling out, the disingenuous “I’m just curious” / “just asking questions” requires analysis of who is posting and why. Sorry!

For instance I don’t think it’s a coincidence that you work in an office with an all white group of employees. You’re on here moaning about black people on tv yet you don’t even stop to think that your workplace is racially homogenous.

by Anonymousreply 50April 20, 2025 6:16 PM

It's tradition. If you look back at British movies and television shows of the 60s and 70s, you'll see they were late to adopt color technology. The Brits seem to like their black and white.

by Anonymousreply 51April 20, 2025 6:20 PM

[Quote] An "ad hominem" attack, or fallacy, is a form of argument that criticizes the person making an argument, rather than addressing the argument itself.

Five seconds ago, the person who wrote this probably accused people who were criticizing Israeli policy in Gaza of being “antisemites.”

by Anonymousreply 52April 20, 2025 6:22 PM

"I'm just complaining under the guise of being curious."

by Anonymousreply 53April 20, 2025 6:24 PM

Oh honey, you think they're only in commercials? lol.

Do you see mixed raced couples everywhere on Japanese TV? Chinese, Korean TV? Indian Bollywood movies?

How about on Nigerian television? Are all the couples black/white?

by Anonymousreply 54April 20, 2025 7:03 PM

R47 I am about 5 years older than you and in my entire school years from aged 5 to 16 there were only four non white pupils. It very much depended on where you lived. I have lived in London now for over 40 years and over the years I have heard people I know who are my age mention that when they were at school there might have only been a handful of black kids in their school, and this is inner London, not the suburbs, in the 6o’s to mid 70’s.

by Anonymousreply 55April 20, 2025 7:19 PM

i guess more exposure to non-whites would have helped you accept mixed race couples.

by Anonymousreply 56April 20, 2025 7:34 PM

Nobody's saying they don't like mixed-race couples, just that it's so overrepresented in media.

by Anonymousreply 57April 20, 2025 9:58 PM

Take a look at Italian TV. Whether it’s a commercial or a show… everyone is white. Very few exceptions. Italians just aren’t into the forced diversity thing.

by Anonymousreply 58April 20, 2025 10:32 PM

Is that de facto true?

by Anonymousreply 59April 20, 2025 10:34 PM

Italian men are fucking HOTT.

by Anonymousreply 60April 20, 2025 10:40 PM

[quote] just that it's so overrepresented in media.

It's a non-issue compared to other problems in the media.

by Anonymousreply 61April 20, 2025 10:44 PM

The Brits basically invented virtue signaling and the self congratulatory tone of their ‘tolerance” isnauseating. For instance they constantly refer to London as a “vibrant” city. ‘Vibrant” is obvious code for “racially diverse.” They’re embarrassingly transparent.

by Anonymousreply 62April 20, 2025 10:47 PM

Oh sorry r61 please give us a list of approved topics. Cunt.

by Anonymousreply 63April 20, 2025 10:52 PM

[quote] For instance they constantly refer to London as a “vibrant” city. ‘Vibrant” is obvious code for “racially diverse.” They’re embarrassingly transparent.

What a weirdo you are.

by Anonymousreply 64April 20, 2025 11:02 PM

Lucy and Desi were black and white.

by Anonymousreply 65April 20, 2025 11:22 PM

R16 Not sure. I used to do a lot of casting commercials and print ads for beauty products and the girls who identified as mixed race often had gorgeous skin. I swear their pores were smaller. I also love that caramel or cafe au lait skin tones.

by Anonymousreply 66April 20, 2025 11:40 PM

Regarding racial matters, some far-left whites here seem like something out of the Reign of Terror or Red Guards.

by Anonymousreply 67April 20, 2025 11:42 PM

Far left, R67? Are you quite certain of that?

by Anonymousreply 68April 20, 2025 11:49 PM

[quote] Commercials in the US have lots of interracial couples now, usually black/white couples.

Yes, they're finally catching up to the Benetton marketing strategy from 1985. It took them a while, 40 years to be exact, but they made it.

by Anonymousreply 69April 21, 2025 12:01 AM

Benetton was multiracial, but the emphasis wasn't really on couples. r69 is just being a cunt for the sake of being a cunt.

by Anonymousreply 70April 21, 2025 12:03 AM

[quote]Is that de facto true?

What is that supposed to mean?

by Anonymousreply 71April 21, 2025 12:09 AM

But you are, Blanche R57

by Anonymousreply 72April 21, 2025 6:32 AM

Gee, I wonder what could account for Italian tv being whiter than the US or UK. And why R58 admires it so

by Anonymousreply 73April 21, 2025 6:36 AM

R17 are you an idiot, or did you develop amnesia in the past 5 years?

The UK jumped on the whole George Floyd bandwagon.

Their "Black Lives Matters" riots/protests were the largest outside the US, with many demonstrations occurring in major cities like London, Manchester, and Cardiff.

Thousands of people participated in marches and rallies, with some protests reaching the scale of the "Million People March" in London.

Like in the US, some of the protests led to the vandalism of historical statues and places.

Like the Oscars, the BAFTAs have also made racial quotas mandatory in order to be eligible.

In short, Hollywood went full "woke" post-2020 and the UK followed suit.

by Anonymousreply 74April 21, 2025 6:59 AM

Thanks R74 for that. I figured that R17 was so stupid there was no point in my replying to his post.

by Anonymousreply 75April 21, 2025 7:07 AM

OP What do you think the BBC stands for?

by Anonymousreply 76April 21, 2025 7:10 AM

R73 It is rather wonderful that the RAI and Italian advertisers feel no need to force “diversity” down people’s throats. You can watch Italian television at rai.it. You will need a VPN with Italy as the source though.

by Anonymousreply 77April 21, 2025 10:59 AM

R70 Never fails to proudly show us he's a moron. He doesn't see today's ads a 'multiracial' no matter how they're presented.

by Anonymousreply 78April 21, 2025 12:15 PM

r78 the Benetton ads from a generation ago don't have anything to do with the forced diversity of modern media. It's not organic, it's a mandate and lots of POC are also turned off by it.

by Anonymousreply 79April 21, 2025 12:20 PM

I’m not sure if England has anything like the US’s Ad Council, but if so, they have checklists that members have to follow in commercials in terms of representation, etc. SNL did a great job of skewering pharmaceutical commercials last week, not so much an indictment of inclusion but of the lazy checking of various boxes when casting a TV ad. There are times I think the ad agencies make the families and friends as nonheterogeneous as they can out of spite.

by Anonymousreply 80April 21, 2025 12:28 PM

SNL Commercial

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by Anonymousreply 81April 21, 2025 12:36 PM

R81 Thanks for posting that.

by Anonymousreply 82April 21, 2025 12:50 PM

The British mystery series I watch usually have one such couple; what seems odd to me is that race is rarely mentioned. It’s like there is no racial prejudice in that fair and pleasant land.

by Anonymousreply 83April 21, 2025 1:19 PM

Well gosh R58, is Italy racist? For shits and giggles, google "are there racial tensions in Italy" and the AI responds with:

[quote]Yes, there are racial tensions and discrimination in Italy, particularly against people of African descent and immigrants.

Wikipedia (first search response) concludes "Italy as the most racist country in western Europe".

[italic]Wanted in Rome[/italic] , one of Italy's English-language newspapers, in an article dated March 5, 2025, bluntly answers the question "Is Italy Racist?" with:

[quote]Well.. In short: Yes. Racism, discrimination against non Italians and xenophobia are all dominant features of Italian modern day culture and societal attitudes.

...and it's a good read with some analysis and examples, including the fact that even in 2025 blackface is common on Italian TV, so there is that.

I'd conclude that using Italy and Italian television as an example of why British television has gone too far representing racial diversity is not a good idea.

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by Anonymousreply 84April 21, 2025 3:06 PM

There’s also the fact that Italy is just a lot whiter than the UK

by Anonymousreply 85April 21, 2025 3:44 PM

Another white American trying to define other peoples views and cultures. Nothingburger.

by Anonymousreply 86April 21, 2025 4:39 PM

Seriously r86. R84 is a smug know-it-all bore. And he's obviously never been to Italy because it is one of the world's great countries.

by Anonymousreply 87April 21, 2025 5:29 PM

R84 Italians don't give a rat's ass about "multiculturalism". They don't want it for their country. They want to keep it Italian....and yes that means white. And they are unapologetic about it.

If that bothers you, then stay away.

by Anonymousreply 88April 21, 2025 6:36 PM

R11, diversity came to America from England. They became obsessed with trans in 2010 (or earlier) and everything else long before these things became big in America.

They also had big, big outcries about immigration back in the late 90s after Blair basically opened up their borders to any and everyone.

by Anonymousreply 89April 21, 2025 6:55 PM

R33, R34

While the UK entertainment industry doesn't have a mandated quota for on-screen representation of people of color, there are efforts to increase diversity and inclusion through target-setting and initiatives. Some broadcasters, like the BBC, have implemented their own diversity targets, such as the "50:50 Commitment". Additionally, organizations like the BFI have released diversity standards, which are being adopted by various organizations.

by Anonymousreply 90April 21, 2025 7:17 PM

Only I can speak to diversity in entertainment.

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by Anonymousreply 91April 21, 2025 7:21 PM

This was the strike one for me regarding Matt. Then the comments about gay actors and then the downplaying of Weinstein’s crimes. Oh, and his comments about Obama. Now I detest Matt and Ben.

by Anonymousreply 92April 22, 2025 1:09 PM

I’ve noticed American commercials are filled with this. Like a directive came down or something.

by Anonymousreply 93April 22, 2025 9:09 PM

R93 it's the "oh hey yeah, we're progressive yeah! Look at this! See? See this actor? Oh yeah! Not just tokenism but more characters! See"

But it seems fake and manipulative. I do like when people actually look like society that but I don't like the way most casting directors do it

by Anonymousreply 94April 22, 2025 9:37 PM

I noticed this with commercials. Lately every commercial has an obligatory interracial couple

by Anonymousreply 95April 22, 2025 10:22 PM

I noticed this with commercials. Lately every commercial has an obligatory interracial couple

by Anonymousreply 96April 22, 2025 10:22 PM

R88- can you explian why there are many italian men with black wives?

by Anonymousreply 97April 22, 2025 10:24 PM

I don't care about the mixed race couples in ads R93 but I do find it unbelievable that attractive Black women are often paired up with fat, schlubby guys.

Speaking of ads though I find pharma ads the worst. Everyone is so happy, happy because of this miracle pill meanwhile the side effects, including death, being listed are terrifying as fuck.

by Anonymousreply 98April 22, 2025 10:44 PM

I liked the movie, The Holdovers, but it seemed more multicultural than what would have actually been the case, in 1970-71. I grew up in a suburb of Boston, that was mostly white. A couple of my friends were Asian, one was of Chinese descent (parents owned the local Chinese restaurant), one who was half Korean (Mom was a Korean war bride). There was one black family in town. My parents knew them, but their kids were older than me. This was not due to any restrictions, but because black people had not migrated out of the cities yet. Today the town is @ 80% white.

But The Holdovers took place in a prep school not as close to Boston (they took a "road trip" to Boston, rather than just driving 20 minutes, like we could, where I lived.) It didn't seem realistic that in 1970 they had a head cafeteria lady who was black, and a black custodian. Just because these towns were so white. It wasn't impossible. But in real life the lady who ran the cafeteria at this tony prep school probably would have been Irish or Italian, if she was any "ethnicity." Not sure there would have been Asian students at the school, either. In an actual movie made in 1970, you probably wouldn't have seen that.

In other words I think the movie stretched the truth a little bit in order to be multi-racial. Which was fine. I loved the movie. Just saying I'm not sure it was a realistic depiction of the times.

by Anonymousreply 99April 23, 2025 2:12 PM

Interracial couples are very common in England OP. Most black or Indian people in London are partnered with someone white or not of their same race.

by Anonymousreply 100April 23, 2025 2:20 PM

Maybe interracial couples are more common there? I’ve never noticed

by Anonymousreply 101April 23, 2025 2:23 PM

Mixed race people are beautiful. I have a few in my family and they get the best from both sides

by Anonymousreply 102April 23, 2025 2:24 PM

R101 They are because their of color minorities are way less and generally less such a strict dichotomy of race. People see their country before race in England.

by Anonymousreply 103April 23, 2025 2:24 PM

American tv commercials are overwhelmingly cast with black actors, but not interracial couples.

by Anonymousreply 104April 23, 2025 5:34 PM

R99 In order to be eligible for Oscar consideration, films have to follow Academy guidelines in terms of race inclusion for actors and film staff. The Holdovers was serious Oscar bait so I’m sure they followed the guidelines to the letter.

by Anonymousreply 105April 23, 2025 9:49 PM

R99 you’re just not comfortable with what you saw, that’s all.

by Anonymousreply 106April 23, 2025 10:32 PM

R99 is an idiot. That was a highly prestigious prep school with kids from all over the state and northeast. It wasn’t working class locals attending that school. The town also was closer to Boston than you are painting and thus not super white. Why wouldn’t a black cafeteria lady work there when her late husband worked the shipyard.

by Anonymousreply 107April 24, 2025 1:12 AM

R107 Can't you disagree without calling someone an idiot?

It's been a while since I've seen the movie but it was filmed at several schools including Deerfield Academy, and Northfield Mt. Herman (both around a 2 hr. 30 min. drive to Boston), Groton (1 hr. drive) and St. Marks (45 min. drive). How close to Boston was the school supposed to be in the movie? You can see in the film from the way the area was presented and from the places it was filmed, it was nowhere near the suburbs or the city.

A black cafeteria lady could work there, but this woman was the head of the cafeteria workers (both black and white, in the movie), in 1970, meaning she would have had to work her way up to that position, and be hired as head of cafeteria services, isometime in the '60s. That wasn't impossible, it just wasn't all that common at the time, yet it's presented in the movie as nothing out of the ordinary.

As for minorities, yes, these schools did admit minorities, but way more after the 70s. They also didn't even admit women, yet.

If you look at the movie Love Story, from 1970, it was a storyline about a rich Harvard guy from outside Boston wanting to marry a poor white Italian girl from Providence, RI, and despite her being a Radcliffe student, extremely intelligent, beautiful, and well spoken and talented, the guy's parents were horrified and forbade the marriage. The times were different.

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by Anonymousreply 108April 24, 2025 10:26 AM

(Continued) White people were still ruling almost every startum of society at that time. Times were changing--Massachusetts had a black Senator (Republican Ed Brooke) --but the movie kind of glossed over many things that were going on at the time, including race relations.

by Anonymousreply 109April 24, 2025 10:29 AM

It bothers me when the series is set in the past. Both Father Brown and Miss Marple are set in the 1950s (this pertains to the more recent re-dos of the latter). There seem to be a lot of Blacks in them. Most of the time they are treated with respect. I am unknowledgeable about British society at that time. If it's anything like the U.S. back then, segregation and prejudice were rampant. Frankie Drake, set in the 1920s is even worse. It has not only some Black characters, but some Asians as well. They are all like one big happy family with everybody being equal. It's possible but unlikely. Of course this is fiction, but I find it distracting, delusional and revisionist.

by Anonymousreply 110April 24, 2025 1:04 PM

R108 Didn’t they say they were only 30 mins from Boston. Also are we misremembering. Was she head cafeteria lady or just stuck there to work the Christmas holiday break.

by Anonymousreply 111April 24, 2025 1:35 PM

I auditioned for a semi-decent role and it was cast with a famous person. I didn't think the role was so great, but of course the movie blew up and was a big hit. I wish they'd gone slumming and hired me instead of Tate Donovan.

by Anonymousreply 112April 24, 2025 1:42 PM

R122, are you C-List Actor?

by Anonymousreply 113April 24, 2025 1:44 PM

[quote]r16 It's just as bad as the old way.

Oh. Is someone getting hurt?

by Anonymousreply 114April 24, 2025 1:44 PM

R104 Thats simply not correct. Mixed couples abound on American tv commercials. To the point where its unusual to see same race couples.

by Anonymousreply 115April 24, 2025 1:52 PM

[quote] To the point where its unusual to see same race couples.

Rolls eyes.

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by Anonymousreply 116April 24, 2025 2:06 PM

R115 Tell me you are perception bias cunt without telling me you are a perception bias cunt.

by Anonymousreply 117April 24, 2025 3:07 PM

The only reason this was brought up was because someone was uncomfortable with it.

by Anonymousreply 118April 24, 2025 7:33 PM

Exactly

by Anonymousreply 119April 24, 2025 7:57 PM

It's simple. They're not as anal retentive over interracial relationships in the UK as they are here in the US.

by Anonymousreply 120April 24, 2025 7:59 PM

r117/r118/r119 dispel the notion that gay men are intristically media savvy and sophisticated to current trends.

The overrepresentation of interracial couples in tv commercials is performative virtue-signaling bullshit that comes from white ad execs (the advertising business is extremely white) as a superficial and shallow attempt at course-correction. It comes across as condescending and rather obnoxious.

by Anonymousreply 121April 24, 2025 9:42 PM

[quote]It comes across as condescending and rather obnoxious.

And often totally detached from reality.

by Anonymousreply 122April 24, 2025 11:33 PM

And it makes some people uncomfortable.

by Anonymousreply 123April 24, 2025 11:36 PM

r123 Nobody liked being hit over the head and condescended to.

by Anonymousreply 124April 24, 2025 11:48 PM

R123 Yes, intelligent people.

A good opinion piece from the NYTimes:

"Hollywood’s New Fantasy: A Magical, Colorblind Past"

"Films and TV shows keep reimagining history as a multiracial dream world. Is that really a step forward?"

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by Anonymousreply 125April 24, 2025 11:49 PM

That's a great article.

by Anonymousreply 126April 24, 2025 11:53 PM

The archived version of the NYTimes article for those without a subscription.

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by Anonymousreply 127April 25, 2025 12:01 AM

Interesting opinion.

by Anonymousreply 128April 25, 2025 12:58 AM

Depicting a fantasy version of the past is a much different issue than casting current shows and ads with interracial couples or minorities.

by Anonymousreply 129April 25, 2025 4:19 AM

R129 it is often just as absurd. Watching US commercials one would think the black population is at least 40% or so. And that Hispanics, a much larger ethnic group, are very minor. And Asians? Hardly seen at all. Also: let's face it, blacks aren't dying to hang out with white people the way white liberals hope.. The races still pretty much keep themselves socially separate. And interracial couples (black-white) are still rather rare: 11%

by Anonymousreply 130April 25, 2025 4:42 AM

Who the fuck cares?

by Anonymousreply 131April 25, 2025 9:16 AM

And what characterizes those who do?

by Anonymousreply 132April 25, 2025 9:44 AM

People are uncomfortable with this. Just admit that. Admit that you’re a racist. Then you can heal. Stop hurting yourself before you start to hurt others.

by Anonymousreply 133April 25, 2025 10:15 AM

Agreed r133. They're twisting around to avoid admitting it but it's obvious.

by Anonymousreply 134April 25, 2025 10:21 AM

[quote]People are uncomfortable with this.

Yes, they are.

They're uncomfortable with the bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 135April 25, 2025 10:24 AM

Right on r134. The OP posted this because he wanted to see who was in agreement with him. It was not a harmless, innocent comment.

by Anonymousreply 136April 25, 2025 10:24 AM

So is your issue with all advertising bullshit?

by Anonymousreply 137April 25, 2025 10:27 AM

R111 Wikipedia says: "Also staying behind is cafeteria manager Mary Lamb, whose late son, Curtis, attended Barton and recently died in the Vietnam War after being drafted."

by Anonymousreply 138April 25, 2025 11:02 PM

[quote]For instance they constantly refer to London as a “vibrant” city. ‘Vibrant” is obvious code for “racially diverse.” They’re embarrassingly transparent.

That must be 'code' that only you can read. London has been described as "vibrant" as far back as the seventeenth century, when it was a bustling commercial center but still quite far from being ethnically diverse.

by Anonymousreply 139April 26, 2025 3:22 AM

[quote] they constantly refer to London as a “vibrant” city. ‘Vibrant” is obvious code for “racially diverse.” They’re embarrassingly transparent.

Yes. It's similar to a hyper focus on sociological and cultural inaccuracies in advertising, of all things, to cover one's latent racist tendencies.

by Anonymousreply 140April 26, 2025 3:44 AM

[quote]Yes. It's similar to a hyper focus on sociological and cultural inaccuracies in advertising, of all things, to cover one's latent racist tendencies.

The one who sounds racist is you. Finding racism under every rock. Chill. Cool it. YOU seem hyper-focused on it.

by Anonymousreply 141April 26, 2025 3:56 AM

no. I'm not the one who feels diversity is being rammed down my throat.

by Anonymousreply 142April 26, 2025 4:02 AM

R142 You seem absolutely obsessed with calling people racist. He seem to get great satisfaction and joy out of it.

See the NYTimes article at R125 for a sensible take on the subject of forced diversity. The auother's reasoning is sober and intelligent. He's a "person of color" BTW.

And pointing out the overwhelmingly out of proportion number of African Americans in advertising (as compared to other larger minorities) is simply pointing out a reality.

by Anonymousreply 143April 26, 2025 4:12 AM

^ Should be: "You seem to get..."

by Anonymousreply 144April 26, 2025 4:14 AM

Pointing it out is one thing. Endlessly complaining about it tells everyone who you really are. Lots of projection in your post, especially the word obsession.

Yes. One article by "a person of color" agrees with you. Now you can feel validated in your discomfort over seeing too many mixed race couples on TV. But for some reason your discomfort still exists. Justify it however you want but we both know the real reason.

Frankly I wouldn't bother if I didn't think there was some hope for you.

by Anonymousreply 145April 26, 2025 4:22 AM

The closet racist at R145 has spoken. They see racism everywhere.

by Anonymousreply 146April 26, 2025 4:41 AM

Lol

by Anonymousreply 147April 26, 2025 4:42 AM

The representation is phony because it’s not based on reality. At least in the US.

In the US it’s always black women and white men, which is rare and uncommon. Most biracial people have a white mother and a black father.

That reality is still too sensitive to depict.

Also all biracial kids learn of the one drop rule but were never told about the partus sequitur ventrem law which meant during the slavery era, children born to white mothers were free.

So as a biracial I see “progressive” interracial depictions everywhere but from what I can remember the last accurate depiction of it was 25 years ago in a movie called “Save The Last Dance” lol.

by Anonymousreply 148April 26, 2025 4:48 AM

"Vibrant" is one of the most overused words to describe any big city with lots of activity and a busy nightlife. The poster referring to it as "code for racial diversity" must have never opened a Lonely Planet guide or issue of Condé Nast Traveler.

by Anonymousreply 149April 26, 2025 5:36 AM

Yes the commercial couples are usually black women/white men. Very few black women care to fuck with white men. Asian women, however, go crazy over white guys.

by Anonymousreply 150April 26, 2025 2:59 PM

[quote]Very few black women care to fuck with white men.

Maybe not the bland whitebread types, but some appreciate Italian, Greek, Spanish and other Mediterranean men

by Anonymousreply 151April 26, 2025 3:04 PM

^^Not that many

by Anonymousreply 152April 26, 2025 3:10 PM

[quote] Very few black women care to fuck with white men.

[quote] Maybe not the bland whitebread types, but some appreciate Italian, Greek, Spanish and other Mediterranean men

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by Anonymousreply 153April 26, 2025 3:16 PM

The British aristocracy was majority-minority in 1800. And all the nobility married without regard to race or ethnicity.

That's what I learned on BRIDGERTON.

by Anonymousreply 154April 26, 2025 3:28 PM

While a lot of black brits do have white partners, it is exaggerated in the UK media. I think a lot of it , is if they must have a black character they need to be offset by a white partner. I have noticed weirdness towards black men being paired with black women in UK media. It is like they hate black couples. And on some level they view it as not "assimilating." I don't see the same anger when there are British characters who are both of south Asian descent at all.

If you looked at UK media you would think black brits never date each other.

by Anonymousreply 155April 26, 2025 3:31 PM

r148 That is not true. Most black-white couples in US TV/movies are black male and white female.

by Anonymousreply 156April 26, 2025 3:32 PM

Hate to be superficial (ha!), but David Bowie and Iman were aesthetically delicious, as were Sade and any of the white men she dated.

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by Anonymousreply 157April 26, 2025 3:35 PM

Some elders are obsessed with race. Seeing so many interracial couples amplifies their own loneliness and longing for a partner.

Keep in mind the demographics of a particular program and not just mere ethnic percentages of the general population. Also the prized 18-45 demographic which is much more diverse than America at large.

by Anonymousreply 158April 26, 2025 3:35 PM

R156 na. It’s definitely white male, black or female Latina nowadays.

by Anonymousreply 159April 26, 2025 3:36 PM

Let’s see. My husband and I are an interracial gay couple. And we laugh at most current commercials we see. We’re obviously not offended by them. We just laugh at their cynically superficial construction and shoehorned diversity. Here’s the deal, though. If the commercial is smart and entertaining as well as informative, we notice it less. Now we’re laughing at an ad for some Peyronie’s Disease med. It’s in the suburbs with well-to-do conservatively well-dressed guys of various ethic backgrounds.

by Anonymousreply 160April 26, 2025 6:19 PM

Some of yall need to learn how advertisement works. They aren’t doing a 1:1 ratio of racial percentages. America is widely diverse. Having differences races makes the product more broadly appealing. There will always be white people in the mix. If the shit didn’t work, the mafuckin companies wouldn’t keep doing it.

by Anonymousreply 161April 26, 2025 7:44 PM

I remember watching a commercial with a black husband and white wife with a black son and an Asian daughter. I was so confused with that family dynamic I didn’t event remember what the commercial was about.

by Anonymousreply 162April 27, 2025 3:49 PM

only thin beautiful people eat at McDonald's.

by Anonymousreply 163April 27, 2025 8:46 PM

R150 Well as I said, it’s phony and fake progressiveness and won’t show the reality because it’s “too close to home”

by Anonymousreply 164April 27, 2025 9:43 PM

I'm sure I was responsible for the sudden expansion of loving couples comprising backward and inept white men being propped up by strong women founders of the right color.

Isn't there an award in Cannes for this?

by Anonymousreply 165April 27, 2025 10:21 PM

I've seen a couple of ads featuring a white dad and black daughter, not obvious whether she's his bi-racial child or a step-daughter.

by Anonymousreply 166April 28, 2025 1:30 PM
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