Trump had claimed the courts could do nothing since the conduct of international diplomacy is entirely within the discretion of the President and because courts had no jurisdiction once a prisoner was outside of the US
Supreme Court unanimously orders Trump administration to “facilitate “ the return of man mistakenly deported to El Salvador
by Anonymous | reply 51 | August 25, 2025 2:51 PM |
It takes some pretty egregious lawlessness to earn a unanimous rebuke from this Court.
by Anonymous | reply 1 | April 10, 2025 11:21 PM |
Well, that was crystal-fucking-clear.
And people used to ask me why I didn't go to law school.
by Anonymous | reply 2 | April 10, 2025 11:24 PM |
Unanimous? Wow. I hope it lays a path for the other innocents who got caught up in this.
And the Justice Department just dropped its case against the supposed MS-13 gang leader who the arrested with much fanfare not too long ago.
by Anonymous | reply 3 | April 10, 2025 11:27 PM |
Its costs them nothing to make a little show of having a moral compass and yada yada.
by Anonymous | reply 4 | April 10, 2025 11:35 PM |
What will they do when he disregards their verdict?
by Anonymous | reply 5 | April 10, 2025 11:37 PM |
I hope he sues for every penny he can.
by Anonymous | reply 6 | April 10, 2025 11:38 PM |
If he's still alive
by Anonymous | reply 7 | April 10, 2025 11:40 PM |
Trump won't disregard the order but I can see on his gestapo douchebags doing so.
by Anonymous | reply 8 | April 10, 2025 11:46 PM |
Note that the Court let stand the judge’s order to “facilitate” the release while declining to endorse the order to “effectuate” the release and saying only that the government should be prepared to “share what it can” about the steps it has taken. This is a potential loophole for Trump to say “We tried, but failed” and that’s all we can say on grounds of national security or the need for diplomatic secrecy. Too deferential under the circumstances.
by Anonymous | reply 9 | April 11, 2025 12:28 AM |
The SC didn’t order the return. It let stand the district court’s order to facilitate and maybe effectuate the return. Words matter. There was no rebuke. It was a finding that the judge’s order to facilitate was proper. Sotomayor in her statement made criticisms, but there is no criticism of anything in the court’s order.
The SC is right to question the district court’s use of “effectuate”. The court can’t force the U.S. military to invade El Salvador to capture the deportee or force the U.S. to try to make El Salvador do anything. The whole thing will be moot if El Salvador just refuses to let the deportee leave the country.
by Anonymous | reply 10 | April 11, 2025 1:40 AM |
Didn't they tell Trump a President could do anything he wanted with no repercussions?
by Anonymous | reply 11 | April 11, 2025 1:44 AM |
I think Trump will not ignore but will slow walk this order
by Anonymous | reply 12 | April 11, 2025 1:46 AM |
It's not even boldly-worded but Dump and his band of morons will likely take offense.
by Anonymous | reply 13 | April 11, 2025 1:47 AM |
And when he refuses…..?
by Anonymous | reply 14 | April 11, 2025 3:09 AM |
Given the ridiculously harsh conditions at CECOT, it's ENTIRELY possible that this innocent guy is already dead. "Here's your body".
by Anonymous | reply 15 | April 11, 2025 6:03 AM |
Tonight thank God it's them- instead of youuuu
by Anonymous | reply 16 | April 11, 2025 8:13 AM |
So once it's established that the US had no right to treat this guy as a criminal because he wasn't one, couldn't it be argued in Salvadoran courts that they have no right to hold this guy as the country in question (US) never formally charged him with anything. So maybe the guy can't leave El Salvador, but they can't hold him in prison either. I agree - the Dump DOJ won't do shit - but couldn't it be argued at the local level?
by Anonymous | reply 17 | April 11, 2025 9:55 AM |
[quote] There was no rebuke.
The unanimous vote is a rebuke. They are tossing Trump a bone in being deferential because there is a serious risk that Trump will ultimately defy the Court and cause a Constitutional crisis that destroys the rule of law. I think they are doing what they can to minimize the risk by giving him a means to declare victory (which he actually did) and avoiding provocation.
by Anonymous | reply 18 | April 11, 2025 12:49 PM |
The risk is that the Salvadoran authorities will assert their own charges against him and refuse to release him. Remember, he was granted asylum from El Salvador out of fear of persecution.
The district court will likely inquire into the terms of the agreement between the government and the Salvadoran government. It SHOULD have made clear that the US government has the right to release anyone they sent there, but the assholes may not have thought to include that because release was not a concern. Even if it does include such a provision, the Salvadorans would likely still have the right to hold anyone facing charges in El Salvador.
by Anonymous | reply 19 | April 11, 2025 1:05 PM |
Bukele will invent a reason why the "facilitation" won't happen.
by Anonymous | reply 20 | April 11, 2025 1:08 PM |
He’ll probably do whatever Trump wants, which may be another reason why the Court handled Trump gingerly.
by Anonymous | reply 21 | April 11, 2025 1:14 PM |
What about all the other men who are being held without due process? It’s crazy they can’t do a class action and have to pursue each individual as a separate case.
Not to mention a waste of the court’s time.
by Anonymous | reply 22 | April 11, 2025 3:22 PM |
The Venezuelans arrested under the Alien Enemies have a class action case pending. That was the subject of a previous 9-0 decision against Trump.
This man was arrested under a different law. Hence a different case.
by Anonymous | reply 23 | April 11, 2025 3:38 PM |
Trump says “fuck you” to the court. Says it needs four days to tell judge what they are going to do while an innocent man rots in jail.
by Anonymous | reply 24 | April 11, 2025 4:37 PM |
They need the four days to Epstein him.
by Anonymous | reply 25 | April 11, 2025 6:32 PM |
At hearing, government’s lawyer says he does not know where Abrego Garcia is now. He is “not prepared to share” what steps the government has taken to facilitate his release and cannot say whether any steps have been taken.
Judge denies his request to file briefs next week and says she wants daily reports starting tomorrow. “There are no business hours in this court”
by Anonymous | reply 26 | April 11, 2025 7:05 PM |
So, what’s the legal remedy?
by Anonymous | reply 27 | April 11, 2025 7:11 PM |
The judge could charge someone with contempt of court and Trump could pardon them.
by Anonymous | reply 28 | April 11, 2025 7:18 PM |
Is this the gay barber?
by Anonymous | reply 29 | April 11, 2025 7:29 PM |
No. He’s one of the Venezuelans.
by Anonymous | reply 30 | April 11, 2025 7:30 PM |
Ultimately, if Trump decides to disobey the courts, there isn’t much they can do about it. He should be impeached, but he won’t be. We’d have to wait for the next election and hope the Democrats win enough seats to remove him. Then we’d have JD.
Meanwhile, people would need to take to the streets and pressure Congress to force Trump to get the man released.
by Anonymous | reply 31 | April 11, 2025 7:34 PM |
[quote] He’s one of the Venezuelans.
Garcia is Salvadoran, a citizen of El Salvador. He entered the U.S. illegally in 2011. In 2019, an immigration judge denied Garcia’s asylum request. However, the judge did a protection order that only forbid the government from deporting him specifically to El Salvador. News reports deliberately don’t mention that Garcia is deportable, just not to El Salvador. They also deliberately make it seem like the “administrative error” was deporting him at all. The administrative error was sending him to El Salvador instead of some other country.
by Anonymous | reply 32 | April 11, 2025 7:42 PM |
Setting aside the HORRENDOUS implications if this were to happen, doesn't some small part of you hope that cheeto and his administration essentially tells the Supreme Court - nah, were good.
It would make a few of them shit their black robes if they suddenly realized they are on borrowed time if they continue to rule as they have done to support this administration.
by Anonymous | reply 33 | April 11, 2025 7:47 PM |
He's dead or already so badly beaten up during his short time there they don't want him sharing that to the press. I think they'd accept losing this one case for the sake of their bigger project otherwise.
by Anonymous | reply 34 | April 11, 2025 7:55 PM |
[quote] Garcia is Salvadoran,
The question was “is he the gay barber?”
by Anonymous | reply 35 | April 11, 2025 9:34 PM |
Yes r33. There will be a certain schadenfreude when the Supreme Court realizes it destroyed itself by empowering Trump.
by Anonymous | reply 36 | April 11, 2025 9:35 PM |
and trump says, Nope.
by Anonymous | reply 37 | April 14, 2025 8:42 PM |
r37 Of course - and no one will do a gd thing about it, sadly. Everyone around him is obviously scared of him.
by Anonymous | reply 38 | April 14, 2025 8:44 PM |
Geez - it's no wonder Putin has stayed in power for so long when an imbecile like cheeto is able to pull this kind of crap in a country that is supposed to uphold the rule of law.
by Anonymous | reply 39 | April 15, 2025 7:12 PM |
The secret is to ask the question Trump always asks. Not “what is the law?” But “what are they going to do about it if I disobey the law?”
SCOTUS foolishly gave immunity to the President and now a habitual criminal has the power. And there’s really nothing the Court can do except write nasty screeds that he will ignore.
by Anonymous | reply 40 | April 16, 2025 1:26 PM |
[quote] the judge did a protection order that only forbid the government from deporting him specifically to El Salvador.
I am assuming that was because the judge believed that Garcia was in danger in El Salvador, but isn't being in danger in your home country grounds for granting asylum?
by Anonymous | reply 41 | April 19, 2025 9:42 PM |
[quote]Supreme Court unanimously orders Trump administration to “facilitate “ the return of man mistakenly deported to El Salvador
Or what?
by Anonymous | reply 42 | April 20, 2025 1:36 AM |
by Anonymous | reply 43 | August 25, 2025 1:24 PM |
Lesson learned I hope. If you are in the US illegally, you should gather your family and find another country to call home. Do not wait. If left to ICE, you might be separated and sent to separate countries. If you want to stay together, leave together voluntarily and with agency.
by Anonymous | reply 44 | August 25, 2025 1:35 PM |
Oh do fuck off, r44.
by Anonymous | reply 45 | August 25, 2025 1:37 PM |
R45 How am I wrong? Pur ideology aside and look at the facts and the current power structure. Seriously, how is that not better to keep families together. This is no drill and families are being torn apart. What is your solution, pray tell?
by Anonymous | reply 46 | August 25, 2025 1:45 PM |
I got curious about the truth on this person. As expected… it’s somewhere between “wholly innocent family man now being destroyed sacrificially on the public stage for Trump” and “vicious and violent active MS13 gangster.”
There is zero credible evidence for the latter. No MS13, etc.
However, it appears highly likely he was active in migrant-smuggling / human trafficking operations as of 2022. Google his name and Tennessee and 2022 for the details. He had 8 undocumented migrants packed in his truck and they had little to no personal possessions with them. Further, the truck was previously owned by his boss who was convicted of human trafficking / migrant smuggling operations.
So it’s complicated but this one man does have a problem past. There are numerous others seized who have much cleaner records and equally heartbreaking stories of their family being ripped apart.
by Anonymous | reply 47 | August 25, 2025 2:01 PM |
This is such bullshit. The administration knows fully well it got this case completely wrong but it desperately digging in further and further
by Anonymous | reply 49 | August 25, 2025 2:47 PM |
[Quote] He had 8 undocumented migrants packed in his truck and they had little to no personal possessions with them.
They, in fact, did NOT know the immigration status of the men her was transporting. The fact that they had no personal possessions seems more in line with the fact that they were workers he was transporting home. In fact, the cops who stopped him suspected nothing weird and let him go.
Knowing that the government can just make up such charges and try to convict someone, doesn’t convince me that his boss was truly human trafficking
by Anonymous | reply 50 | August 25, 2025 2:51 PM |
R47, the only "evidence" he was involved in smuggling comes from dishonest informants who were given lenient treatment to testify against him. Kind of like how Trump transferred Ghislaine Maxwell to a cushy prison in exchange for saying Trump is a wonderful guy
by Anonymous | reply 51 | August 25, 2025 2:51 PM |